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David Betts 17 April 2005 11:35:28
	Seems Penske has his exit strategy in place. It was announced at the ALMS press conference. The team will be running the new factory Porsche prototypes in ALMS next season. Now that is a pretty big commitment. Probably means doing Le Mans as well and maybe LMES, although no announcements yet about the Porsche prototype competing in Europe. Maybe somebody else will run an LMES team and then both go to Le Mans? Exciting stuff, anyway. David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk) "In the end it's always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" - Frank Gardner British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg
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Ethan Preston 17 April 2005 15:38:55 [ permanent link ]
	David Betts <dabetts@ntlworld.com> wrote in message: news:<qq3461lk68e4ihp28novucu7637919kvma@4ax.com>> Seems Penske has his exit strategy in place. It was announced at the> ALMS press conference. The team will be running the new factory> Porsche prototypes in ALMS next season. Now that is a pretty big> commitment. Probably means doing Le Mans as well and maybe LMES,> although no announcements yet about the Porsche prototype competing in> Europe. Maybe somebody else will run an LMES team and then both go to> Le Mans? Exciting stuff, anyway.> The 24 hours of LeMans has been a far more important and significant race than the Indy 500 for years now, especially now that Indy has become the IRL 500 and mostly a closed club race held by Tony George's cronies. Good move by Penske.
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Galloping.Moron 17 April 2005 18:48:15 [ permanent link ]
	"Ethan Preston" <ethan.preston@excite.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1ccc14d7c47c8fe598a34d@news.individual.net...> David Betts <dabetts@ntlworld.com> wrote in message:> news:<qq3461lk68e4ihp28novucu7637919kvma@4ax.com>>> Seems Penske has his exit strategy in place. It was announced at the>> ALMS press conference. The team will be running the new factory>> Porsche prototypes in ALMS next season. Now that is a pretty big>> commitment. Probably means doing Le Mans as well and maybe LMES,>> although no announcements yet about the Porsche prototype competing in>> Europe. Maybe somebody else will run an LMES team and then both go to>> Le Mans? Exciting stuff, anyway.>> The 24 hours of LeMans has been a far more important and significant race> than the Indy 500 for years now, especially now that Indy has become the> IRL 500 and mostly a closed club race held by Tony George's cronies. Good> move by Penske. The 24 Hours of LeMans is significant? Where?
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Robert Lorenzini 17 April 2005 19:15:23 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:35:28 GMT, David Betts <dabetts@ntlworld.com> wrote:> Seems Penske has his exit strategy in place. It was announced at the> ALMS press conference. The team will be running the new factory> Porsche prototypes in ALMS next season. Now that is a pretty big> commitment. Probably means doing Le Mans as well and maybe LMES,> although no announcements yet about the Porsche prototype competing in> Europe. Maybe somebody else will run an LMES team and then both go to> Le Mans? Exciting stuff, anyway. Running in front of empty stands has got to be demoralising for not only the drivers and sponsors but owners as well. Bob
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Carey Akin 17 April 2005 19:35:46 [ permanent link ]
	"galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message news:HGu8e.7324$EX4.6994@fed1read01...> The 24 Hours of LeMans is significant? Where? In LeMans, and Road and Track magazine. Carey in Manvel
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Cal Vanize 17 April 2005 20:13:55 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote: "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message > news:HGu8e.7324$EX4.6994@fed1read01...> The 24 Hours of LeMans is significant? Where?> In LeMans, and Road and Track magazine.> Carey in Manvel Must have been mistaken about where you're from. I thought it was Casey from Mudville. Must be Krokskab from M27. Because you can't be from this planet.
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Iain Miller 17 April 2005 22:37:12 [ permanent link ]
	Are you too stupid to realize that every developed nation is so awash in > sports that there is little need to follow outside sports? Bollox.... Every golf fan in the world was watching the Masters last weekend, Tennis fans will be glued to Wimbledon as usual in a month or two & F1 draws audiences on a global basis 16/17/18/19 times a year to name but three. Le Mans also draws massive crowds & generates huge interest - perhaps except in places where people are too stuck up their own backsides & severely afflicted with "Not invented here? Can't be any good" syndrome I.
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Galloping.Moron 18 April 2005 13:10:21 [ permanent link ]
	"Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message news:s1y8e.13858$It4.13074@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...> Are you too stupid to realize that every developed nation is so awash in >> sports that there is little need to follow outside sports?> Bollox....> Every golf fan in the world was watching the Masters last weekend, Tennis > fans will be glued to Wimbledon as usual in a month or two & F1 draws > audiences on a global basis 16/17/18/19 times a year to name but three. Le > Mans also draws massive crowds & generates huge interest - perhaps except > in places where people are too stuck up their own backsides & severely > afflicted with "Not invented here? Can't be any good" syndrome> I.> Does that mean that the real sophisticated sports fans live by the telly and follow every major sporting event in the world other than those conducted in the US? Fancy that.
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David Betts 18 April 2005 13:27:22 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 02:10:21 -0700, "galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote: "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message >news:s1y8e.13858$It4.13074@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...>> Are you too stupid to realize that every developed nation is so awash in >>> sports that there is little need to follow outside sports?>> Bollox....>> Every golf fan in the world was watching the Masters last weekend, Tennis >> fans will be glued to Wimbledon as usual in a month or two & F1 draws >> audiences on a global basis 16/17/18/19 times a year to name but three. Le >> Mans also draws massive crowds & generates huge interest - perhaps except >> in places where people are too stuck up their own backsides & severely >> afflicted with "Not invented here? Can't be any good" syndrome> Does that mean that the real sophisticated sports fans live by the telly and >follow every major sporting event in the world other than those conducted in >the US? Fancy that. You do seem to be remarkably adept at missing the point. There is an international hierarchy of sporting events. Some of them are in the US. Most of them aren't. The US doesn't have to have the biggest and the best of everything, you know. In motorsport terms, it is a comparative backwater. It used to have one motorsport event which ranked in the top three on the world stage, but this was heavily devalued in the early years of the IRL and is unlikely ever to recover its previous status. Even then, it was on a par with Le Mans in the pantheon, not ahead of it. As far as watching sport on TV is concerned, why the hell not? I will probably spend eight to ten days attending motorsport events this year (six of them at Goodwood), which will cost me quite enough money, thank you <g>. My widescreen, surround sound and digital satellite (with VHS back-up) will seat me at most of the rest of the GP, FIA GT, LMES, ALMS, DTM, BTCC and Champcar rounds. I might even take in the IRL road course races. David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk) "In the end it's always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" - Frank Gardner British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg
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Carey Akin 18 April 2005 16:13:22 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:GRv8e.8465$Ow2.6573@fe06.lga...> Must have been mistaken about where you're from. I thought it was Casey> from Mudville. Must be Krokskab from M27. Because you can't be from> this planet.> You are really naive if you think that the sponsor value for LeMans is greater than that from Indianapolis. Let alone any exposure to the general public from ALMS. Carey in Manvel
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Carey Akin 18 April 2005 16:14:33 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:qPw8e.9308$c42.831@fe07.lga...> galloping.moron wrote:> <snip>> Not necessarily so. There is certainly a lot of sports coverage, but> most smaller or lesser developed countries look outside their borders.> The track at Sepang (just outside the KL airport) has generated a lot of> interest in motor sports. Far more than can be satisfied within the> borders of Malaysia. Likewise in China. The race in Macau has sparked> a lot of interest in morot sports. Morot sports? Is that some sort of parity?> Carey in Manvel
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6andretti 18 April 2005 16:29:52 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:27:22 GMT, David Betts <dabetts@ntlworld.com> wrote: You do seem to be remarkably adept at missing the point. There is an>international hierarchy of sporting events. Some of them are in the>US. Most of them aren't. The US doesn't have to have the biggest and>the best of everything, you know. In motorsport terms, it is a>comparative backwater. It used to have one motorsport event which>ranked in the top three on the world stage, but this was heavily>devalued in the early years of the IRL and is unlikely ever to recover>its previous status. Even then, it was on a par with Le Mans in the>pantheon, not ahead of it. Do tell. Tell someone (worldwide) that so-and-so won the pre-96 Indy 500 and you'll get a registered response. Tell them so-and-so one the 1982 24 hours of Lemans and await the blank stare.
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Sam Sung 18 April 2005 16:47:49 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote:> "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message> news:GRv8e.8465$Ow2.6573@fe06.lga...> Must have been mistaken about where you're from. I thought it was Casey>>from Mudville. Must be Krokskab from M27. Because you can't be from>>this planet.>> You are really naive if you think that the sponsor value for LeMans is> greater than that from Indianapolis. Let alone any exposure to the general> public from ALMS.> Carey in Manvel do you think that your precious little irl is running away with the fan ratings? do you think the world revolves around open wheel racing in the U.S.? there was a time when the Indy 500 meant something. not anymore. get a life and get in touch with reality. the reference to m27 is outstanding.
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Sam Sung 18 April 2005 18:27:38 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote:> "sam sung" <dontspamme@now.org> wrote in message> news:rTO8e.2508$Gq6.1566@fe02.lga...> do you think that your precious little irl is running away with the fan>>ratings? do you think the world revolves around open wheel racing in the>>U.S.? there was a time when the Indy 500 meant something. not anymore.> Do you really think that the ALMS provides better exposure?> get a life and get in touch with reality.> I have a great life, and am more in touch reality than you thing,> the reference to m27 is outstanding.> Kind of a geeky inference, and lauded by one who is telling me to get a> life.> Carey in Manvel Casey in Mudville strikes out and displays his low-brow lifely expectations. got a great life, but maybe m27 was too high an expectation in your case. b33 might be better. (don't yell "bingo")
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Carey Akin 18 April 2005 18:51:36 [ permanent link ]
	"sam sung" <dontspamme@now.org> wrote in message news:rTO8e.2508$Gq6.1566@fe02.lga...> do you think that your precious little irl is running away with the fan> ratings? do you think the world revolves around open wheel racing in the> U.S.? there was a time when the Indy 500 meant something. not anymore. Do you really think that the ALMS provides better exposure?> get a life and get in touch with reality. I have a great life, and am more in touch reality than you thing,> the reference to m27 is outstanding. Kind of a geeky inference, and lauded by one who is telling me to get a life. Carey in Manvel
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Carey Akin 18 April 2005 18:52:09 [ permanent link ]
	"John Peterson" <john.peterson@cox.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1ccd8ca5a89b73d198a39b@news.individual.net...> Carey Akin <cmakin@att.net> wrote in message:> > Texan must be a different language because you aren't defining the word in> English. Again, nice demonstration. Carey in Manvel
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Carey Akin 18 April 2005 19:30:33 [ permanent link ]
	"sam sung" <dontspamme@now.org> wrote in message news:0lQ8e.7$Ah5.0@fe05.lga...> Casey in Mudville strikes out and displays his low-brow lifely expectations.> got a great life, but maybe m27 was too high an expectation in your> case. b33 might be better. (don't yell "bingo") Only if you make general assumptions. So, is this what you discuss during the breaks as your Trekkie conventions? Carey in Manvel
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Sam Sung 18 April 2005 19:54:38 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote:> "sam sung" <dontspamme@now.org> wrote in message> news:0lQ8e.7$Ah5.0@fe05.lga...> Casey in Mudville strikes out and displays his low-brow lifely> expectations.> got a great life, but maybe m27 was too high an expectation in your>>case. b33 might be better. (don't yell "bingo")> Only if you make general assumptions. So, is this what you discuss during> the breaks as your Trekkie conventions?> Carey in Manvel oh, brother.... Casey from Mudville goes on the attack. what a joke he is. does your teacher know you're using the internet like this during study hall?
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Cal Vanize 18 April 2005 20:22:20 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote: "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message> news:GRv8e.8465$Ow2.6573@fe06.lga...> Must have been mistaken about where you're from. I thought it was Casey>>from Mudville. Must be Krokskab from M27. Because you can't be from>>this planet.>> You are really naive if you think that the sponsor value for LeMans is> greater than that from Indianapolis. Let alone any exposure to the general> public from ALMS.> Carey in Manvel> You certainly overestimate the current status if the IRL 500.
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Carey Akin 18 April 2005 20:22:36 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:O4R8e.9796$Ow2.5461@fe06.lga...> > Well that sure blows your spell checker idea, doesn't it. As it does your comment of chosing words carefully, doesn't it? Carey in Manvel>
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Cal Vanize 18 April 2005 20:22:57 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote: "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message> news:qPw8e.9308$c42.831@fe07.lga...> galloping.moron wrote:>> <snip>> Not necessarily so. There is certainly a lot of sports coverage, but>>most smaller or lesser developed countries look outside their borders.>>The track at Sepang (just outside the KL airport) has generated a lot of>>interest in motor sports. Far more than can be satisfied within the>>borders of Malaysia. Likewise in China. The race in Macau has sparked>>a lot of interest in morot sports.> Morot sports? Is that some sort of parity?> Carey in Manvel Well that sure blows your spell checker idea, doesn't it.
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Carey Akin 18 April 2005 20:23:38 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:e4R8e.9795$Ow2.8232@fe06.lga...> > You certainly overestimate the current status if the IRL 500. Are you stating that the ALMS series gets more exposure? Truly, you delude yourself. Carey in Manvel>
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Cal Vanize 18 April 2005 20:25:24 [ permanent link ]
	sam sung wrote: Carey Akin wrote:> "sam sung" <dontspamme@now.org> wrote in message>> news:rTO8e.2508$Gq6.1566@fe02.lga...>> do you think that your precious little irl is running away with the fan>>> ratings? do you think the world revolves around open wheel racing in the>>> U.S.? there was a time when the Indy 500 meant something. not anymore.>> Do you really think that the ALMS provides better exposure?>> get a life and get in touch with reality.>> I have a great life, and am more in touch reality than you thing,>> the reference to m27 is outstanding.>> Kind of a geeky inference, and lauded by one who is telling me to get a>> life.>> Carey in Manvel> Casey in Mudville strikes out and displays his low-brow lifely > expectations.> got a great life, but maybe m27 was too high an expectation in your > case. b33 might be better. (don't yell "bingo") Well somebody got it. Although the horse's head isn't the end that would be applicable.
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Cal Vanize 18 April 2005 20:34:57 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote: "sam sung" <dontspamme@now.org> wrote in message> news:rTO8e.2508$Gq6.1566@fe02.lga...> do you think that your precious little irl is running away with the fan>>ratings? do you think the world revolves around open wheel racing in the>>U.S.? there was a time when the Indy 500 meant something. not anymore.> Do you really think that the ALMS provides better exposure?> get a life and get in touch with reality.> I have a great life, and am more in touch reality than you thing, Keep your "thing" to yourself. And you're NOT in touch with reality. That the big joke. The fist step to understanding that you have a problem is that you have to recognize that the problem exists. Since you're so deep in denial, you need to step up to reality, not the "reality" with all the voices in your head. the reference to m27 is outstanding.> Kind of a geeky inference, and lauded by one who is telling me to get a> life.> Carey in Manvel Casey in Mudville strikes out again.
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Cal Vanize 18 April 2005 20:37:08 [ permanent link ]
	6andretti wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:27:22 GMT, David Betts <dabetts@ntlworld.com>> wrote:> You do seem to be remarkably adept at missing the point. There is an>>international hierarchy of sporting events. Some of them are in the>>US. Most of them aren't. The US doesn't have to have the biggest and>>the best of everything, you know. In motorsport terms, it is a>>comparative backwater. It used to have one motorsport event which>>ranked in the top three on the world stage, but this was heavily>>devalued in the early years of the IRL and is unlikely ever to recover>>its previous status. Even then, it was on a par with Le Mans in the>>pantheon, not ahead of it.> Do tell. Tell someone (worldwide) that so-and-so won the pre-96 Indy> 500 and you'll get a registered response. Tell them so-and-so one the> 1982 24 hours of Lemans and await the blank stare. But since 1996, there has been so little interest in the IRL 500. The only thing people remember is that Paul Tracey won a race but somebody else got credit.
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Cal Vanize 18 April 2005 20:39:31 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote: "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message> news:O4R8e.9796$Ow2.5461@fe06.lga...> Well that sure blows your spell checker idea, doesn't it.> As it does your comment of chosing words carefully, doesn't it?> Carey in Manvel Soooo thin. Casey in Mudville strikes out again.
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Carey Akin 18 April 2005 21:34:40 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:ikR8e.9801$Ow2.3907@fe06.lga...> Carey Akin wrote:> Soooo thin. Casey in Mudville strikes out again. Do you have to work at being so creative, or does it just come naturally. Carey in Manvel>
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Carey Akin 18 April 2005 21:37:29 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:2iR8e.9800$Ow2.3709@fe06.lga...> But since 1996, there has been so little interest in the IRL 500. The> only thing people remember is that Paul Tracey won a race but somebody> else got credit. Don't paint everyone with your brush. There are more folks interested in what happens at Indy than you think (there, got it write that time). Oh, when did Paul Tracey race at Indy? Must be before my time, oh careful word selector. Carey in Manvel (And you will follow up with the "strike" comment. How tiring)>
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Galloping.Moron 18 April 2005 22:24:40 [ permanent link ]
	"David Betts" <dabetts@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:1cu661p6mo8nc8ckq99e0i2vhul47mmsh1@4ax.com...> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 02:10:21 -0700, "galloping.moron"> <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:> "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message>>news:s1y8e.13858$It4.13074@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...>>> Are you too stupid to realize that every developed nation is so awash >>>> in>>>> sports that there is little need to follow outside sports?>>> Bollox....>>> Every golf fan in the world was watching the Masters last weekend, >>> Tennis>>> fans will be glued to Wimbledon as usual in a month or two & F1 draws>>> audiences on a global basis 16/17/18/19 times a year to name but three. >>> Le>>> Mans also draws massive crowds & generates huge interest - perhaps >>> except>>> in places where people are too stuck up their own backsides & severely>>> afflicted with "Not invented here? Can't be any good" syndrome>> Does that mean that the real sophisticated sports fans live by the telly >>and>>follow every major sporting event in the world other than those conducted >>in>>the US? Fancy that.> You do seem to be remarkably adept at missing the point. There is an> international hierarchy of sporting events. Some of them are in the> US. Most of them aren't. The US doesn't have to have the biggest and> the best of everything, you know. In motorsport terms, it is a> comparative backwater. It used to have one motorsport event which> ranked in the top three on the world stage, but this was heavily> devalued in the early years of the IRL and is unlikely ever to recover> its previous status. Even then, it was on a par with Le Mans in the> pantheon, not ahead of it.> What exactly is this Le Mans event that people seem to adore?
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Galloping.Moron 18 April 2005 22:29:16 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:2iR8e.9800$Ow2.3709@fe06.lga...> 6andretti wrote:> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:27:22 GMT, David Betts <dabetts@ntlworld.com>>> wrote:>> You do seem to be remarkably adept at missing the point. There is an>>>international hierarchy of sporting events. Some of them are in the>>>US. Most of them aren't. The US doesn't have to have the biggest and>>>the best of everything, you know. In motorsport terms, it is a>>>comparative backwater. It used to have one motorsport event which>>>ranked in the top three on the world stage, but this was heavily>>>devalued in the early years of the IRL and is unlikely ever to recover>>>its previous status. Even then, it was on a par with Le Mans in the>>>pantheon, not ahead of it.>> Do tell. Tell someone (worldwide) that so-and-so won the pre-96 Indy>> 500 and you'll get a registered response. Tell them so-and-so one the>> 1982 24 hours of Lemans and await the blank stare.> But since 1996, there has been so little interest in the IRL 500. The > only thing people remember is that Paul Tracey won a race but somebody > else got credit.> They hold the race every year so Paul Tracy can get right back in there and win it again.
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Fran 18 April 2005 23:04:15 [ permanent link ]
	"Carey Akin" <cmakin@att.net> wrote in message news:tfS8e.602070$w62.130481@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message> news:2iR8e.9800$Ow2.3709@fe06.lga...> > But since 1996, there has been so little interest in the IRL 500. The> > only thing people remember is that Paul Tracey won a race but somebody> > else got credit.> Don't paint everyone with your brush. There are more folks interested in> what happens at Indy than you think (there, got it write that time). Oh,> when did Paul Tracey race at Indy? Must be before my time, oh careful word> selector. Tony decided that PT didn't win. Someone from outside the IRL winning and getting his image on the Borg Warner trophy would be a disgrace and an insult to the spirit of the Indy 500. It would turn the whole thing into a sham.
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Fran 18 April 2005 23:11:40 [ permanent link ]
	"galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message news:MXS8e.7490$EX4.13@fed1read01...> "David Betts" <dabetts@ntlworld.com> wrote in message> news:1cu661p6mo8nc8ckq99e0i2vhul47mmsh1@4ax.com...> > On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 02:10:21 -0700, "galloping.moron"> > <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:> > "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message> >>news:s1y8e.13858$It4.13074@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...> >>> Are you too stupid to realize that every developed nation is so awash> >>>> in> >>>> sports that there is little need to follow outside sports?> >>> Bollox....> >>> Every golf fan in the world was watching the Masters last weekend,> >>> Tennis> >>> fans will be glued to Wimbledon as usual in a month or two & F1 draws> >>> audiences on a global basis 16/17/18/19 times a year to name but three.> >>> Le> >>> Mans also draws massive crowds & generates huge interest - perhaps> >>> except> >>> in places where people are too stuck up their own backsides & severely> >>> afflicted with "Not invented here? Can't be any good" syndrome> >> Does that mean that the real sophisticated sports fans live by the telly> >>and> >>follow every major sporting event in the world other than those conducted> >>in> >>the US? Fancy that.> > You do seem to be remarkably adept at missing the point. There is an> > international hierarchy of sporting events. Some of them are in the> > US. Most of them aren't. The US doesn't have to have the biggest and> > the best of everything, you know. In motorsport terms, it is a> > comparative backwater. It used to have one motorsport event which> > ranked in the top three on the world stage, but this was heavily> > devalued in the early years of the IRL and is unlikely ever to recover> > its previous status. Even then, it was on a par with Le Mans in the> > pantheon, not ahead of it.> > What exactly is this Le Mans event that people seem to adore?> To you? Look at it like the Daytona 500 with more turns, many of the right hand; many more miles, much more a test of skill, endurance and reliability, with a bigger international audience than the drooling goober roundy-round. They also attract about 200,000 + fans to the track who stay there the night or the weekend.
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Carey Akin 18 April 2005 23:57:38 [ permanent link ]
	"fran" <fran@flan.ran> wrote in message news:3cieo2F6kesthU1@individual.net...> Tony decided that PT didn't win. Someone from outside the IRL winning and> getting his image on the Borg Warner trophy would be a disgrace and an insult> to the spirit of the Indy 500. It would turn the whole thing into a sham.> "He passed me under yellow!!!" Case closed. I suppose you don't believe anyone has landed on the moon, either. Carey in Manvel
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Carey Akin 19 April 2005 00:06:28 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:lwT8e.6662$Jg7.3176@fe03.lga...> I guess your statement "every developed nation is so awash in sports"> indicated a more global perspective.> To suggest that the entire world has their eye on the IRL 500 is just> wrong. Le Mans has a much more global interest as does Monaco.> But racing can't compare to World Cup even though> World Cup is barely noticed in the U.S. So what? I am a huge rugby union fan. Not a real popular sport here in the US. Does that make me feel that most folks here are morons? No. It just makes me get up in the middle of the night, or head over to a local pub to catch a game. Hell, I organized a business trip to London earlier this year just so I could catch a 6 Nations game. Through all of this, what is your point? Cricket is probably more popular in English speaking nations than auto racing, or at least US style auto racing. Would you have baseball (not a sport that I think much of, either by the way) change into cricket for that reason? Different nations and cultures have different interests, not just in sports. Does that make any of them better than another, or do you just decide to look down on anyone who doesn't share your interest. Seems to me it is the latter. Just because I live in Texas doesn't mean I don't have a global perspective. You would be surprised how much time I spend out of the country, and just about all of it is for work, not pleasure. Carey in Manvel
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Carey Akin 19 April 2005 00:07:22 [ permanent link ]
	"fran" <fran@flan.ran> wrote in message news:3cievlF6lohgdU1@individual.net...> The World Cup was barely noticed in the U.S. when they hosted it.> So? Are US citizens obligated to be interested in it? Carey in Manvel
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Carey Akin 19 April 2005 00:09:47 [ permanent link ]
	"fran" <fran@flan.ran> wrote in message news:3cif5vF6oiv35U1@individual.net...> To you? Look at it like the Daytona 500 with more turns, many of the right> hand; many more miles, much more a test of skill, endurance and reliability,> with a bigger international audience than the drooling goober roundy-round.> They also attract about 200,000 + fans to the track who stay there the night or> the weekend.> You display great ingorance when you make a statement like that. If it were true, road racers that try Daytona would have much better success than they have historically. If there was ever an example of xenophobia, your post is it. Carey in Manvel>
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Cal Vanize 19 April 2005 02:38:38 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote: "fran" <fran@flan.ran> wrote in message> news:3cieo2F6kesthU1@individual.net...> Tony decided that PT didn't win. Someone from outside the IRL winning and>>getting his image on the Borg Warner trophy would be a disgrace and an> insult> to the spirit of the Indy 500. It would turn the whole thing into a> sham.> "He passed me under yellow!!!"> Case closed. I suppose you don't believe anyone has landed on the moon,> either.> Carey in Manvel Not exactly. The IRL threw the yellow to nullify Tracey's pass. According to their own rules, he was ahead. But wait. I forgot that you needed to have history rewritten to meet the needsd of TG. Don't forget that he's NASCAR's best friend.
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Cal Vanize 19 April 2005 03:09:14 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote: "fran" <fran@flan.ran> wrote in message> news:3cievlF6lohgdU1@individual.net...> The World Cup was barely noticed in the U.S. when they hosted it.>> So? Are US citizens obligated to be interested in it?> Carey in Manvel Casey from Mudville strikes out again. Denial spewing from his mouth. Clearly misses the point. No, stupid. U.S. citizens are not obligated to watch WC as much as they aren't obligated to drink TG's kool-aid. But these's less interest in a lot of the U.S. sporting events outside the U.S. And after the failings of the IRL and the WWF-style results planning (who will win this year, Tony?), the rest of the world just isn't paying attention to the IRL500 anymore. Even the race fans in the U.S. aren't following the race like they did before. There just isn't the credible competition of interest in the race. Its dying along with the rest of open wheel in the U.S. But Le Mans has a big following. Since most of them are ferinners and the race is in France, you don't recognize that they exist. Your loss.
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Cal Vanize 19 April 2005 03:12:28 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote: "fran" <fran@flan.ran> wrote in message> news:3cif5vF6oiv35U1@individual.net...> To you? Look at it like the Daytona 500 with more turns, many of the> right> hand; many more miles, much more a test of skill, endurance and> reliability,> with a bigger international audience than the drooling goober> roundy-round.> They also attract about 200,000 + fans to the track who stay there the> night or> the weekend.>> You display great ingorance when you make a statement like that. If it were> true, road racers that try Daytona would have much better success than they> have historically. If there was ever an example of xenophobia, your post is> it.> Carey in Manvel Casey from Mudville explains how little he knows.
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David Betts 19 April 2005 11:09:44 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:08:18 -0400, "fran" <fran@flan.ran> wrote: "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message>news:lwT8e.6662$Jg7.3176@fe03.lga...>> galloping.moron wrote:>> But racing can't compare to World Cup even though>> World Cup is barely noticed in the U.S.>> The World Cup was barely noticed in the U.S. when they hosted it. Exactly, yet the World Cup is the biggest sporting event in the World after the Olympics. Interestingly, the F1 World Championship taken as a whole rates third internationally and is the most important annual sporting event (the others being every four years). By the way, I notice that the World's greatest sportsman (who happens to be an American) announced his retirement plans yesterday. He's going for the most remarkable record in World sport first, though. Wonder how many Americans have even heard of him? David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk) "In the end it's always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" - Frank Gardner British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg
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Lenny Simon 19 April 2005 14:55:55 [ permanent link ]
	"David Betts" <dabetts@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:a1b961dt9a0ev1gr5rnbsedq16hol74r09@4ax.com...> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:08:18 -0400, "fran" <fran@flan.ran> wrote:> By the way, I notice that the World's greatest sportsman (who happens> to be an American) announced his retirement plans yesterday. He's> going for the most remarkable record in World sport first, though.> Wonder how many Americans have even heard of him?> Oh those little taunts you throw so well, Mr. Betts! He is very well known in the US as he is constantly doing commercials, public service announcements and interviews when he is not out besting the world in cycling. He also has a very recognizable girlfriend and they are very much in the limelight, right now. It took a while for him to become famous in the US participating in a non-mainstream sport, but he is well known now.
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Carey Akin 19 April 2005 16:10:41 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:XAW8e.6679$Jg7.302@fe03.lga...> > Not exactly. The IRL threw the yellow to nullify Tracey's pass.> According to their own rules, he was ahead. Uh, I was there. The yellow was thrown because of a car in the wall. Who is this Tracey guy, anyway? But wait. I forgot that you needed to have history rewritten to meet> the needsd of TG. Don't forget that he's NASCAR's best friend.> You seem to be the one rewriting history. Carey in Manvel
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Sam Sung 19 April 2005 16:26:51 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote:> "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message> news:XAW8e.6679$Jg7.302@fe03.lga...> Not exactly. The IRL threw the yellow to nullify Tracey's pass.>>According to their own rules, he was ahead.> Uh, I was there. The yellow was thrown because of a car in the wall. Who> is this Tracey guy, anyway? the yellow came out after the pass. were you in a car to see the timing of yellow relative to the pass? tv coverage was extensive and showed tracey to be in front. the irl just couldn't allow their crown jewel to be won again by someone from cart. it would have been too embarrassing. But wait. I forgot that you needed to have history rewritten to meet>>the needsd of TG. Don't forget that he's NASCAR's best friend.>> You seem to be the one rewriting history.> Carey in Manvel casey in mudville strikes out again and loses in the face of historical events. so what is the irl vision? it needs to be rewritten every time tg opens his mouth just so that he can claim to be following his original idea. you're an idiot.
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Cal Vanize 19 April 2005 18:14:38 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote:> "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message> news:XAW8e.6679$Jg7.302@fe03.lga...> Not exactly. The IRL threw the yellow to nullify Tracey's pass.>>According to their own rules, he was ahead.> Uh, I was there. The yellow was thrown because of a car in the wall. Who> is this Tracey guy, anyway?> But wait. I forgot that you needed to have history rewritten to meet>>the needsd of TG. Don't forget that he's NASCAR's best friend.>> You seem to be the one rewriting history.> Carey in Manvel Casey in Mudville strikes out again. He's the strike out leader! Just follow the TG party line. Who cares if the facts get in the way. TG is always right. He's NASCAR's best friend. How could that be wrong.
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Carey Akin 19 April 2005 18:17:48 [ permanent link ]
	"sam sung" <dontspamme@now.org> wrote in message news:JF79e.2856$Gq6.2069@fe02.lga...> the yellow came out after the pass. were you in a car to see the timing> of yellow relative to the pass? tv coverage was extensive and showed> tracey to be in front. the irl just couldn't allow their crown jewel to> be won again by someone from cart. it would have been too embarrassing. You were there? Get over it and move on. After all, it is just another race. Or not. And just who is this Tracey guy?> casey in mudville strikes out again and loses in the face of historical> events. Nope. I was there. You were not. "I saw it on TV" is a lame interpretation. I was looking down the back straight when it happened.> so what is the irl vision? it needs to be rewritten every time tg opens> his mouth just so that he can claim to be following his original idea. Try and calm down, would you?> you're an idiot. Seems to me that by resorting to name calling, you have lost any credibility. Grow up, or at least act like you have made it through puberty. Carey in Manvel
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Carey Akin 19 April 2005 18:18:34 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:5i89e.2858$Gq6.1453@fe02.lga...> Casey in Mudville strikes out again. He's the strike out leader! Man, like a broken record.> Just follow the TG party line. Who cares if the facts get in the way.> TG is always right. He's NASCAR's best friend. How could that be wrong. Do you have anything else to say? Carey in Manvel>
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Cal Vanize 19 April 2005 18:24:16 [ permanent link ]
	sam sung wrote: Carey Akin wrote:> "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message>> news:XAW8e.6679$Jg7.302@fe03.lga...>> Not exactly. The IRL threw the yellow to nullify Tracey's pass.>>> According to their own rules, he was ahead.>> Uh, I was there. The yellow was thrown because of a car in the wall. >> Who>> is this Tracey guy, anyway?> the yellow came out after the pass. were you in a car to see the timing > of yellow relative to the pass? tv coverage was extensive and showed > tracey to be in front. the irl just couldn't allow their crown jewel to > be won again by someone from cart. it would have been too embarrassing.> But wait. I forgot that you needed to have history rewritten to meet>>> the needsd of TG. Don't forget that he's NASCAR's best friend.>>> You seem to be the one rewriting history.>> Carey in Manvel> casey in mudville strikes out again and loses in the face of historical > events.> so what is the irl vision? it needs to be rewritten every time tg opens > his mouth just so that he can claim to be following his original idea.> you're an idiot. Outside the shrinking circle of irl, the fans feel that Tracey won and that TG couldn't suffer another defeat at the hands of CART. All the replays I saw seem to point to the pass as having taken place before the drivers were signaled. That was the moment that the IRL lost its last shreads of credibility.
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Cal Vanize 19 April 2005 21:34:07 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote: "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message> news:5r89e.2861$Gq6.57@fe02.lga...> Outside the shrinking circle of irl, the fans feel that Tracey won and>>that TG couldn't suffer another defeat at the hands of CART. All the>>replays I saw seem to point to the pass as having taken place before the>>drivers were signaled. That was the moment that the IRL lost its last>>shreads of credibility.>> Who is Tracey?> "All of the replays I saw seem to point. . . "> Hardly definitive. There were also replays that clearly showed Helio (not> misspelled) in the lead when the yellow light came on. Get over it. After> all, Indy is just another race, isn't it?> Carey in Manvel You're right. History has been rewritten. The IRL 500 isn't considered much at all anymore. So sad that its become a support race.
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Sam Sung 19 April 2005 21:37:13 [ permanent link ]
	Cal Vanize wrote:> Carey Akin wrote:> "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message>> news:vcb9e.13602$Ow2.286@fe06.lga...>> You're right. History has been rewritten. The IRL 500 isn't considered>>> much at all anymore. So sad that its become a support race.>> In your mind. Try not to speak for the rest of us.>> Carey in Manvel> Casey from Mudville strikes out again. Go ahead and accept the lie.> tracey won. no denying that. the irl took it away. but saying that Casey from Mudville has been brainwashed makes the assumption that he has a brain where none exists.
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Sam Sung 19 April 2005 21:41:07 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote:> "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message> news:Fxb9e.2890$Gq6.89@fe02.lga...> Casey from Mudville strikes out again. Go ahead and accept the lie.> Again. Must be an echo in here or something. It seems that you are the one> lying to yourself. Hey, I don't care. Do whatever makes you happy. Just> don't pretend to speak for anyone but yourself.> Carey in Manvel galvanize seems to reflect reality where you seem to reflect your own image in the mirror and little else. fans aren't forgetting the irl manipulation of the results. attendance is down and shrinking. your a sockpuppet for the stooges.
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Carey Akin 19 April 2005 21:49:24 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:vcb9e.13602$Ow2.286@fe06.lga...> You're right. History has been rewritten. The IRL 500 isn't considered> much at all anymore. So sad that its become a support race. In your mind. Try not to speak for the rest of us. Carey in Manvel>
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Cal Vanize 19 April 2005 21:55:39 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote:> "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message> news:vcb9e.13602$Ow2.286@fe06.lga...> You're right. History has been rewritten. The IRL 500 isn't considered>>much at all anymore. So sad that its become a support race.> In your mind. Try not to speak for the rest of us.> Carey in Manvel Casey from Mudville strikes out again. Go ahead and accept the lie.
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Carey Akin 19 April 2005 22:13:35 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:Fxb9e.2890$Gq6.89@fe02.lga...> Casey from Mudville strikes out again. Go ahead and accept the lie. Again. Must be an echo in here or something. It seems that you are the one lying to yourself. Hey, I don't care. Do whatever makes you happy. Just don't pretend to speak for anyone but yourself. Carey in Manvel>
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Carey Akin 19 April 2005 22:39:16 [ permanent link ]
	"sam sung" <dontspamme@now.org> wrote in message news:Hcc9e.13669$Ow2.6415@fe06.lga...> > tracey won. no denying that. the irl took it away. but saying that Casey> from Mudville has been brainwashed makes the assumption that he has a> brain where none exists. Ah, yes. I have no brain, but you cannot deal with reality; or spell "Tracy". My, I am so shamed. You have surely outwitted me this time. How can I compete with such a superior intellect. Carey in Manvel
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Cal Vanize 19 April 2005 23:18:59 [ permanent link ]
	Carey Akin wrote: "sam sung" <dontspamme@now.org> wrote in message> news:Hcc9e.13669$Ow2.6415@fe06.lga...> tracey won. no denying that. the irl took it away. but saying that Casey>>from Mudville has been brainwashed makes the assumption that he has a>>brain where none exists.> Ah, yes. I have no brain, but you cannot deal with reality; or spell> "Tracy".> My, I am so shamed. You have surely outwitted me this time. How can I> compete with such a superior intellect.> Carey in Manvel> Casey in Mudville strikes out and fails to deflect from the topic. You know that the IRL screwed Tracy out of the victory to protect their series. In doing so they wrecked their credibility. Period. There's no outwitting someone who comes to the battle unarmed. You can't compete.
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Team AGR 30 April 2005 17:23:43 [ permanent link ]
	"galloping.moron" <nascar42@cox.net> wrote in message news:r149e.7561$EX4.2920@fed1read01...> You said the same thing I did. Americans do not give a fig about World Cup,> Monaco, or Le Mans and the rest of the world does not care about American> sports.> That's why NASCAR is popular. Who in the USA can pronounce fancy and exotic European names like Button, Alonso and Webber? Try home grown grass roots American names like NASCAR's Earnhardt, Busch, Hmiel, Kvapil, Nemechek, Sauter and Truex. They just roll off the tongue.
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