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Tony George starts team for Ed Carpenter
Scottscottscott 7 February 2005 23:38:06
	"This was probably the very last thing by which Tony George could hold onto in respects to his original vision. He had already rid his league of American short trackers, adopted road courses, allowed engine leasing, harbored super teams, became a haven for foreign roadrace trained drivers, ruined the I500, made love with the CART owners he supposedly despised, and now, has finally succombed to being a series/team owner. "But, hey, who knows, maybe this wasn't the number one flaw of CART like we were led to believe in the first place."
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C Story 8 February 2005 00:33:02 [ permanent link ]
	"scottscottscott" <scottrevision@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1107805086.465613.114540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: "This was probably the very last thing by which Tony George could hold> onto in respects to his original vision. He had already rid his league> of American short trackers, adopted road courses, allowed engine> leasing, harbored super teams, became a haven for foreign roadrace> trained drivers, ruined the I500, made love with the CART owners he> supposedly despised, and now, has finally succombed to being a> series/team owner.> "But, hey, who knows, maybe this wasn't the number one flaw of CART> like we were led to believe in the first place."> "Meet the new boss .. same as the old boss"
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Scottscottscott 8 February 2005 04:54:43 [ permanent link ]
	Thank God for Tony George.
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Allan Pagan 9 February 2005 00:30:31 [ permanent link ]
	An IRL racing team comprised of TG, Larry "Embezzlement" Curry and Ed "Never a Champion" Carpenter? Bwhahahahahahahahaha-hahahahahahaha-ha! ========================================================== What is called resignation is confirmed desperation. Henry David Thoreau
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Scottscottscott 9 February 2005 03:49:10 [ permanent link ]
	What's the opposite of a think tank?
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Ken Plotkin 9 February 2005 09:21:09 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:15:28 -0600, 6andretti <> wrote: This really is unbelievable and beyond the pale. Will Anton now>recuse himself from any conflicts of interests by stepping down from>any and all decision making duties that even hints at rules and>interpretations thereof? Including being the final arbiter of>appeals of IRL 500 results?> And yes, Earlettes, I do have similar concerns with OWRS principals>owning teams. This isn't really new. In the early days, IMS owned and entered cars in the 500.
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Fred M 9 February 2005 16:14:44 [ permanent link ]
	"Ken Plotkin" <kplotkin@nospam-cox.net> wrote in message newsa7j01928i2lm3udniolj0q9r3o3018fgv@4ax.com...> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:15:28 -0600, 6andretti <> wrote:> This really is unbelievable and beyond the pale. Will Anton now> >recuse himself from any conflicts of interests by stepping down from> >any and all decision making duties that even hints at rules and> >interpretations thereof? Including being the final arbiter of> >appeals of IRL 500 results?> > And yes, Earlettes, I do have similar concerns with OWRS principals> >owning teams.> This isn't really new. In the early days, IMS owned and entered cars> in the 500. You're absolutely right. In the last few years, Tony's money has paid for more than a few entrants.
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Ken Plotkin 9 February 2005 19:22:02 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:14:44 -0500, "Fred M" <ask.4.email@outlook.com> wrote: "Ken Plotkin" <kplotkin@nospam-cox.net> wrote in message>newsa7j01928i2lm3udniolj0q9r3o3018fgv@4ax.com...>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:15:28 -0600, 6andretti <> wrote: This isn't really new. In the early days, IMS owned and entered cars>> in the 500.> You're absolutely right. In the last few years, Tony's money has paid for more>than a few entrants. Did Carl borrow money from someone named Tony?
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Fred M 9 February 2005 23:00:09 [ permanent link ]
	"Ken Plotkin" <kplotkin@nospam-cox.net> wrote in message news:uiak01p1g3c341geh2pqehlqtdvgc4hhtt@4ax.com...> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:14:44 -0500, "Fred M" <ask.4.email@outlook.com>> wrote:> You're absolutely right. In the last few years, Tony's money has paid for more> >than a few entrants.> Did Carl borrow money from someone named Tony? I can't imagine Carl borrowing any money from Tony, but I can certainly imagine an outright bribe. All the other receiving teams got charity.
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Scottscottscott 9 February 2005 23:08:20 [ permanent link ]
	No, but he borrowed it from everyone else.
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Fred M 9 February 2005 23:53:38 [ permanent link ]
	<6andretti> wrote in message news:3pvi01d8m6hnjdm53p6g0c6rqoete8u4qp@4ax.com...>The IRL season opens at Homestead, Florida, on March 6.> This really is unbelievable and beyond the pale. Will Anton now> recuse himself from any conflicts of interests by stepping down from> any and all decision making duties that even hints at rules and> interpretations thereof? Including being the final arbiter of> appeals of IRL 500 results? IndyStar Headline Monday, May 30: "Ed Carpenter was judged to have won the Indy 500, despite crashing out on lap 27. Paul Tracy finished second"...
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Scottscottscott 10 February 2005 18:13:47 [ permanent link ]
	At that time Mari Hulman George wanted to field a car for husband, Elmer George, but Tony Hulman wouldn't hear of it. According to the late David Cassidy, Mr. Hulman felt like it was way out of line to have a "house car." http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/15120/ Seriously, I always wondered why Elmer and Mari didn't have their own car so he could run.
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6andretti 10 February 2005 20:32:41 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:21:09 -0500, Ken Plotkin <kplotkin@nospam-cox.net> wrote: On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 21:15:28 -0600, 6andretti <> wrote:> This really is unbelievable and beyond the pale. Will Anton now>>recuse himself from any conflicts of interests by stepping down from>>any and all decision making duties that even hints at rules and>>interpretations thereof? Including being the final arbiter of>>appeals of IRL 500 results?>> And yes, Earlettes, I do have similar concerns with OWRS principals>>owning teams.> This isn't really new. In the early days, IMS owned and entered cars>in the 500. Nice try.
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Ken Plotkin 11 February 2005 10:58:01 [ permanent link ]
	On 10 Feb 2005 06:13:47 -0800, "scottscottscott" <scottrevision@yahoo.com> wrote: At that time Mari Hulman George wanted to field a car for husband,>Elmer George, but Tony Hulman wouldn't hear of it. According to the>late David Cassidy, Mr. Hulman felt like it was way out of line to have>a "house car."> http://www.speedtv.com/commentary/15120/> Seriously, I always wondered why Elmer and Mari didn't have their own>car so he could run. Had to have been Mr. Hulman's aversion to house cars. When Carl Fisher ran the Speedway, he regularly entered house cars. But his style was very different from Hulman's. Fisher even entered the first event at the Speedway himself. Ken Plotkin
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Ken Plotkin 12 February 2005 23:00:43 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:38:30 -0600, 6andretti <> wrote: Uh, Ken. It's been a hundred years almost since it opened. Welcome>to the new millenium, Go ahead though, keep making your absurd>rationalizations. Rationalization? No. I'm just a traditionalist. We should never forget our (or anyone else's) roots. The Speedway became an institution in those early years. Lessons learned back then are applicable today. The comment from King Tony was precious. "There was some concern from>the other owners". Ya THINKKKKK???????? God, to have been a fly on>the wall in Penske's, Ganassi's, etc. office. LOL Well, considering how many cars those guys enter, they'd be less than thrilled about any new teams. Ken Plotkin
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6andretti 14 February 2005 16:05:35 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:00:43 -0500, Ken Plotkin <kplotkin@nospam-cox.net> wrote: Well, considering how many cars those guys enter, they'd be less than>thrilled about any new teams. Huh?
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