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GM needs a new word
David Starr 8 May 2005 22:26:25
	The first word that pops into people's minds when you say...... Chrysler - HEMI Ford - MUSTANG GM - BORING GM needs a new word. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Retired Shop Rat: 14,647 days in a GM plant. Now I can do what I enjoy: Large Format Photography www.destarr.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Guest 8 May 2005 22:40:10 [ permanent link ]
	You forgot about the Corvette! There must be a lot of buyers that prefer boring. GM still sells far more vehicles than any other manufacture in the world. ;) mike hunt David Starr wrote:> The first word that pops into people's minds when you say......> Chrysler - HEMI> Ford - MUSTANG> GM - BORING> GM needs a new word.>
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Chuck 9 May 2005 00:39:53 [ permanent link ]
	The word should be QUALITY, and not just the word, but a way of thinking, and doing business. I think it is asking too much. Chuck in Phoenix "David Starr" <davestarr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:0cms71lt1nftdq09qckqqa6ooskr10r78c@4ax.com...> The first word that pops into people's minds when you say......> Chrysler - HEMI> Ford - MUSTANG> GM - BORING> GM needs a new word.> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> Retired Shop Rat: 14,647 days in a GM plant.> Now I can do what I enjoy: Large Format Photography> www.destarr.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Paradox 9 May 2005 00:52:30 [ permanent link ]
	And what percent of all GM sales does the Corvette contribute? if Chevy leans on the Corvette as its crutch of quality, then they better stop fooling themselves, either spin it off as its own brand like Austin Martin, or something. <BrickMason@mailcity.com> wrote in message news:427E5D0A.D9535CEB@mailcity.com...> You forgot about the Corvette! There must be a lot of buyers> that prefer boring. GM still sells far more vehicles than any> other manufacture in the world. ;)> mike hunt> David Starr wrote:> > The first word that pops into people's minds when you say......> > Chrysler - HEMI> > Ford - MUSTANG> > GM - BORING> > GM needs a new word.> >
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James C. Reeves 9 May 2005 01:50:30 [ permanent link ]
	GM has won some quality awards of late, especially the Buick division. However, the awards didn't translate to sales. So there is something other than quality needed it seems. The first words that pop into my mind with GM are "Glaring Lights In Your Face" (but I'm sure everyone her already knew that) <grin> I still say many potential customers out there see GM cars as torture machines. Shining lights in people's eyes has long been a very effective form of torture for decades. And GM is top dog at shining lights in people's eyes all day long and everyone knows it. People don't like it...I'm telling ya! But don't believe me. Just look up the public comments on daytime lights at NHTSA. IF GM wants people to notice their cars...kill the lights so they can actually see the car! Most of the cars are actually quite nice (I think!) "Chuck" <chuck@spamhater.com> wrote in message news:eNufe.3948$Fa1.2072@fed1read02...> The word should be QUALITY, and not just the word, but a way of thinking, > and doing business.> I think it is asking too much.> Chuck in Phoenix>
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Nomen Nescio 9 May 2005 02:00:03 [ permanent link ]
	Corvette? Didn't they try Grand Prix and the drivers just wave on the trailing competitors to overtake them? The Corvette turned out to be about 2000 pounds overweight as I remember. The money is in consumer products at popular prices. GM is going to get in a life-or-death contest with the Chinese imports coming soon. Their entry level cars will be in the $7500 class. Expect them to get a foothold and expand their range to include models competing in all catagories at much, much lower prices. If they can deliver reliable products with decent after-market service, they will be deadly competitors.
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James C. Reeves 9 May 2005 02:05:16 [ permanent link ]
	"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message news:65353cb568e4872773a1b4c746bc6565@dizum.com...> Corvette? Didn't they try Grand Prix and the drivers just wave on the> trailing competitors to overtake them?> The Corvette turned out to be about 2000 pounds overweight as I remember.> The money is in consumer products at popular prices. GM is going to get > in> a life-or-death contest with the Chinese imports coming soon. Their entry> level cars will be in the $7500 class. Expect them to get a foothold and> expand their range to include models competing in all catagories at much,> much lower prices. If they can deliver reliable products with decent> after-market service, they will be deadly competitors.> Unfortunately you may be right on this one.
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Harry Face 9 May 2005 07:08:06 [ permanent link ]
	JCR, I'm going to make up some headlight sheilds to block out the headlight & DRL's for driving through the campgrounds at night..the parking lights will suffice for that. Harryface 05 Park Avenue 91 Bonneville LE, 303,149 miles
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StingRay 9 May 2005 07:12:48 [ permanent link ]
	"David Starr" <davestarr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:0cms71lt1nftdq09qckqqa6ooskr10r78c@4ax.com...> The first word that pops into people's minds when you say......> Chrysler - HEMI> Ford - MUSTANG> GM - BORING> GM needs a new word.> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> Retired Shop Rat: 14,647 days in a GM plant.> Now I can do what I enjoy: Large Format Photography> www.destarr.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - There is more than a little irony in your "first word" scenario, as pertains to "Chrysler -HEMI". If I may quote Automobile Magazine's Technical Editor Don Sherman (Oct. 2004) : "The engine Chrysler touts as its "Hemi" definitely does not have hemispherically shaped combustion chambers. While Chrysler engineers commenced development with a hemi chamber inspired by the air-cooled Porsche 911 engine built from 1964 through 1997, they saved very little from that concept. The chamber depth was vastly reduced, and filler lumps were added between the valves. The only "hemi" feature saved was splayed valves located in a plane perpendicular to (instead of parallel with) the crankshaft." So while Hemi may be top-of-mind when we hear the word Chrysler, the reality is much different. When Chrysler actually had a hemi, the term HEMI had always referred to its hemispherical combustion chambers. Their 5.7 liter engine doesn't have hemispherical combustion chambers. Should we consider that great marketing . . . orrrr deceptive sales tactic? Or just a shameful sales tactic? Perhaps an out-and-out lie? Keep that in mind when you hear the word Chrysler. Maybe "BORING" is the lesser of two evils!
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Guest 9 May 2005 18:21:25 [ permanent link ]
	Many buyers apparently agree with your assessment. Have you forgotten that GM sells far more vehicles than any other manufacture in the world? mike hunt "James C. Reeves" wrote:> IF GM wants people to notice their> cars...kill the lights so they can actually see the car! Most of the cars> are actually quite nice (I think!)>
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Guest 9 May 2005 18:22:58 [ permanent link ]
	Do you mean like the GM cars that they make overseas? mike hunt Nomen Nescio wrote:> Corvette? Didn't they try Grand Prix and the drivers just wave on the> trailing competitors to overtake them?> The Corvette turned out to be about 2000 pounds overweight as I remember.> The money is in consumer products at popular prices. GM is going to get in> a life-or-death contest with the Chinese imports coming soon. Their entry> level cars will be in the $7500 class. Expect them to get a foothold and> expand their range to include models competing in all catagories at much,> much lower prices. If they can deliver reliable products with decent> after-market service, they will be deadly competitors.
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Guest 9 May 2005 18:33:23 [ permanent link ]
	The Hemi of today is a concept that Chrysler has grabed onto. Better handling RWD vehicles that are capable of applying the torque from a high powered engine, that still offers decent fuel economy at 25 MPG. GM is missing the boat in that regard. Both the Mustang and the 300 are selling much better than expected because they are offering a large segment of the market the cars they really want to drive. mike hunt StingRay wrote:> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> There is more than a little irony in your "first word" scenario, as pertains> to "Chrysler -HEMI". If I may quote Automobile Magazine's Technical Editor> Don Sherman (Oct. 2004) :> "The engine Chrysler touts as its "Hemi" definitely does not have> hemispherically shaped combustion chambers. While Chrysler engineers> commenced development with a hemi chamber inspired by the air-cooled Porsche> 911 engine built from 1964 through 1997, they saved very little from that> concept. The chamber depth was vastly reduced, and filler lumps were added> between the valves. The only "hemi" feature saved was splayed valves> located in a plane perpendicular to (instead of parallel with) the> crankshaft."> So while Hemi may be top-of-mind when we hear the word Chrysler, the reality> is much different. When Chrysler actually had a hemi, the term HEMI had> always referred to its hemispherical combustion chambers. Their 5.7 liter> engine doesn't have hemispherical combustion chambers. Should we consider> that great marketing . . . orrrr deceptive sales tactic? Or just a shameful> sales tactic? Perhaps an out-and-out lie? Keep that in mind when you hear> the word Chrysler. Maybe "BORING" is the lesser of two evils!
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James C. Reeves 10 May 2005 02:02:30 [ permanent link ]
	"Harry Face" <harryface@webtv.net> wrote in message news:27776-427ED416-335@storefull-3116.bay.webtv.net...> JCR,> I'm going to make up some headlight sheilds to block out the headlight &> DRL's for driving through the campgrounds at night..the parking lights> will suffice for that.> Harryface> 05 Park Avenue> 91 Bonneville LE, 303,149 miles> You may find some other ideas at some of the astrology observer web sites. They have the same exact problem with GM vehicles when attending astrology camps that require participants to enter with lights off (impossible with most GM vehicles).
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James C. Reeves 10 May 2005 02:03:31 [ permanent link ]
	I almost did forget once. But haven't since. <BrickMason@mailcity.com> wrote in message news:427F71E5.103F7B8E@mailcity.com...> Many buyers apparently agree with your assessment. Have you> forgotten that GM sells far more vehicles than any other> manufacture in the world?> mike hunt> "James C. Reeves" wrote:>> IF GM wants people to notice their>> cars...kill the lights so they can actually see the car! Most of the >> cars>> are actually quite nice (I think!)>>
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James C. Reeves 10 May 2005 02:09:47 [ permanent link ]
	"StingRay" <StingRay@Vette.com> wrote in message news:xdudnWL-MsCxSOPfRVn-jA@rogers.com...> There is more than a little irony in your "first word" scenario, as > pertains to "Chrysler -HEMI". If I may quote Automobile Magazine's > Technical Editor Don Sherman (Oct. 2004) :> "The engine Chrysler touts as its "Hemi" definitely does not have > hemispherically shaped combustion chambers. While Chrysler engineers > commenced development with a hemi chamber inspired by the air-cooled > Porsche 911 engine built from 1964 through 1997, they saved very little > from that concept. The chamber depth was vastly reduced, and filler lumps > were added between the valves. The only "hemi" feature saved was splayed > valves located in a plane perpendicular to (instead of parallel with) the > crankshaft."> So while Hemi may be top-of-mind when we hear the word Chrysler, the > reality is much different. When Chrysler actually had a hemi, the term > HEMI had always referred to its hemispherical combustion chambers. Their > 5.7 liter engine doesn't have hemispherical combustion chambers. Should > we consider that great marketing . . . orrrr deceptive sales tactic? Or > just a shameful sales tactic? Perhaps an out-and-out lie? Keep that in > mind when you hear the word Chrysler. Maybe "BORING" is the lesser of two > evils! > When marketing departments get in the mix, facts fly out of the window. Although one can't argue with sales success I suppose. But the 300 and Magnum are BUTT UGLY as far as I'm concerned, so I don't get what all the hoopla is about. Unless it's strictly the raw power of 335HP (with a 400+HP version coming soon) and the 0-60 times of ~5-seconds in a sedan! Heck, the GTO would be a better choice, in my opinion, now that it has it's hood scoops!
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StingRay 10 May 2005 02:20:52 [ permanent link ]
	"James C. Reeves" <jcnospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4KmdndkOyaQxQuLfRVn-oQ@comcast.com...> When marketing departments get in the mix, facts fly out of the window. > Although one can't argue with sales success I suppose. But the 300 and > Magnum are BUTT UGLY as far as I'm concerned, so I don't get what all the > hoopla is about. Unless it's strictly the raw power of 335HP (with a > 400+HP version coming soon) and the 0-60 times of ~5-seconds in a sedan! > Heck, the GTO would be a better choice, in my opinion, now that it has > it's hood scoops! > James, we're agreed on this one. The 300 and the Magnum are amongst the ugliest cars since the Gremlin! Methinks the misnomer "Hemi" may have more to do with the sales of these 2 products than their design. Sad really.
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