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Sorry DC
Ernest 18 March 2005 11:43:59
	At the end of last season I suggested that DC does not deserve to be in F1 anymore. He did a splendid job in Australia and I therefore publicly say "Sorry DC". Hope you gather many point in the Redbull!
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FooAtari 18 March 2005 14:25:09 [ permanent link ]
	"Ernest" <dnvqsbfnNOSPAM@global.co.za> wrote in news:d1dtn1$dvt$2@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net: At the end of last season I suggested that DC does not deserve to be> in F1 anymore. He did a splendid job in Australia and I therefore> publicly say "Sorry DC". Hope you gather many point in the Redbull! > I have been a big DC fan since 1994, if it wasnt for DC i may well have stopped watching F1 a couple of years ago... I feel McLaren was not the right envoiroment for him plus Dennis and Hakkinen had a special relationship that he never seemed to recover from when Raikkonen came along. I'm hoping for a fairly successful season this year. Regular top 6 finishes would be pretty good -- Im too young for this s**t! Live GamerTag - FooAtari My games collection and Live games: http://www.ajrparkst.f2s.com/allie/index.htm www.revs.tv - Motorsport Internet TV.
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A425couple 18 March 2005 23:13:09 [ permanent link ]
	"FooAtari" < wrote in message> "Ernest" > wrote in> > I therefore publicly say "Sorry DC". You are a good man Ernest. I have been a big DC fan since 1994, I am not a 'big' fan of DC, but have long felt is is a very competent driver, decent team player, and good corporate spoksman. i.e. good to keep employed. I feel McLaren was not the right envoiroment for him> plus Dennis and Hakkinen had a special relationship Yes, I am real unhappy at the way he was treated by Dennis. He went to McLaren when the team was down. DC got them their first GP win in several years. Then bang, he is instructed to give up a GP win to a teammate. But the car looks great for next year, and bang, he is again instructed by team manager to give up another win to same teammate to start out new year. Real rough on motovation to win WDC! he never seemed to recover from when Raikkonen came along.> I'm hoping for a fairly successful season> this year. Regular top 6 finishes would be pretty good I pretty much agree.
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FooAtari 20 March 2005 00:25:07 [ permanent link ]
	Hakkinen he isn't; I agree with most of what you said, but I think Hakkinen benefited greatly from the two wins gifted to him by DC and McLaren, and also MH's relationship with Dennis was something DC was never to recover from at McLaren, by the time KR came along the damage was done. and also added to that KM's talent and DC's apparant dislike for single qualifying. I feel that he may have a had a very different career if he had the chance to stay at Williams. Maybe not a WDC but the potential was their imo. -- Im too young for this s**t! Live GamerTag - FooAtari My games collection and Live games: http://www.ajrparkst.f2s.com/allie/index.htm www.revs.tv - Motorsport Internet TV.
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Andreas Davour 21 March 2005 02:49:07 [ permanent link ]
	David Betts <davidb@motorsport.org.uk> writes: I have a lot of respect for the attitude DC's displaying with Red Bull;> >he knows (realistically) that it's almost certainly his last gig in F1,> >at least behind the wheel; he's giving it 100%, and he's really being a> >team leader for the first time in his life. > Let's not forget that Coulthard did all the work at McL once Mika> left. He was the one spending hours in debrief while Kimi wandered the> paddock with his girlfriend in blissful ignorance. Generally thought> to be the hardest working driver in F1 after MS. That's team> leadership in my book. Definitely. I'm a big DC fan, even though I rate him highly, I was amazed at how focused he became at RBR. It's kind of amazing that I as a McLaren fan, now am more saddened by the lack of their results than I am of what DC provides RBR!! Comparing budgets, and the heritage of last years Jaguar I was prepared to suffer while DC drove a wreck at the lower part of the field... Now I just hope that my favourite team will get their act together as well so I can be happy for them as well. If this is the end of a career, then I hope David and RBR will continue as they have done this far. /andreas -- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
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David Betts 21 March 2005 12:37:33 [ permanent link ]
	On 19 Mar 2005 10:19:05 GMT, Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote: David Betts <davidb@motorsport.org.uk> wrote:>> Never understood why you underrate him so significantly, Pete. DC has>> won 13 Grands Prix. > He's in his twelfth season in Formula One. For eleven of those seasons>he was in a car capable of winning races, so a "batting average" of>just over one a season, while better than most of the current crop,>is fairly unspectacular. I know, it's a reflection of how polarised F1>has become around a very small number of top drivers, but the stakes are>higher now and DC's relative position in the sport remains, I think,>at the level I've pegged him at. I see no stigma in being rated there>against guys who could be depended upon to win races and perform solidly>all season but never put a consistent championship campaign together ->which is pretty much how you described his situation yourself! DC's>role at McLaren, in the Hakkinen glory years, became very similar to>Gerhard Berger's in the same team when Senna was there; or Patrese's>when Mansell returned to Williams. Sorry, but I simply can't agree with that. Berger and Patrese were blown away by Senna and Mansell. DC was usually fractionally slower than Mika - the fastest qualifier on the grid - over one lap. He usually matched him on race pace. He as also the man who started the McL winning streak - then he moved over for Mika twice and never got the momentum back within the team. There was never any doubt who was Ron Dennis's favourite. We all have our blind spots. I'm afraid you have one about DC. Nice to see he is now the highest scoring British driver of all time. David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk) "In the end it's always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" - Frank Gardner British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg
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FooAtari 21 March 2005 18:55:08 [ permanent link ]
	Sorry, but I simply can't agree with that. Berger and Patrese were> blown away by Senna and Mansell. DC was usually fractionally slower> than Mika - the fastest qualifier on the grid - over one lap. He> usually matched him on race pace. He as also the man who started the> McL winning streak - then he moved over for Mika twice and never got> the momentum back within the team. There was never any doubt who was> Ron Dennis's favourite. I fully agree with that, especailly with who was Ron's favourite. -- Im too young for this s**t! Live GamerTag - FooAtari My games collection and Live games: http://www.ajrparkst.f2s.com/allie/index.htm www.revs.tv - Motorsport Internet TV.
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John Wallace 3 April 2005 18:04:49 [ permanent link ]
	David Betts wrote: Nice to see he is now the highest scoring British driver of all time. I read he was the fifth highest scoring driver of all time (behind Schumacher, Prost, Senna and Piquet I think). The others amassed 17 world titles among them, which does say something about the way DC has scored his points. On the other hand I loved his comment about Montoya yesterday (what happens when fat people try to get fit). Nice to see him with a twinkle in his eye and not needing to be quite so corporate. John (In fairness it wasn't his comment, however he was the one to quote it in a TV interview!)
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Geoff May 3 April 2005 20:13:04 [ permanent link ]
	John Wallace wrote:> David Betts wrote:> Nice to see he is now the highest scoring British driver of all time.> I read he was the fifth highest scoring driver of all time (behind > Schumacher, Prost, Senna and Piquet I think). The others amassed 17 > world titles among them, which does say something about the way DC has > scored his points. Even after today's point, he's still 5th but he only needs 2 more points to move into 4th place: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/glibs/drvrcomp.php?list=1950,2005,0&type=cnt&view=misc&disp=pnts Next target is Senna's 614 points but that is quite a ways unless the point system changes dramatically or else he wins every race for the rest of this season[1]. MfG Geoff. [1] Hey, I can dream, can't I? -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 3rd April, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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Hans Mьller 4 April 2005 23:49:05 [ permanent link ]
	"Ernest" <dnvqsbfnNOSPAM@global.co.za> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:d1dtn1$dvt$2@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...> At the end of last season I suggested that DC does not deserve to be in F1 > anymore. He did a splendid job in Australia and I therefore publicly say > "Sorry DC". Hope you gather many point in the Redbull!> he's a good driver, excellent teamplayer and sympathetic as well...but hold your horses...negative stats against Hakkinen, Raikkonen and now even against Klien?
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Ernest 5 April 2005 23:16:26 [ permanent link ]
	"Hans Mьller" <john_m@bluewin.ch> wrote in message news:42519911$1_3@news.bluewin.ch...> "Ernest" <dnvqsbfnNOSPAM@global.co.za> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:d1dtn1$dvt$2@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...>> At the end of last season I suggested that DC does not deserve to be in >> F1 anymore. He did a splendid job in Australia and I therefore publicly >> say "Sorry DC". Hope you gather many point in the Redbull!>> he's a good driver, excellent teamplayer and sympathetic as well...but > hold your horses...negative stats against Hakkinen, Raikkonen and now even > against Klien? Still doing better than Villeneuve though! Poor Peter Sauber. He really made a bad decision this time. Probably quite expensive also....
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Pete Fenelon 7 April 2005 00:13:03 [ permanent link ]
	"Hans M?ller" <john_m@bluewin.ch> wrote:> Why this Villeneuve bashing all over this NG ? Is this some kind of jealousy > ? He he's made himself a good contract, and ? Villeneuve was a very special talent who dug his own F1 grave by going to BAR. But instead of either working his nuts off to make the team succeed, he stayed there and slipped down the grid, becoming more and more embittered and less and less impressive. His return to F1 shows that what we've got back is the disinterested Villeneuve who will grumble around in midfield and collect the pay cheque, rather than the Villeneuve who would put heart and soul into racing. He's obviously, blatantly, only in it for the money this time round. (Well, so was Niki Lauda when he came back, but by God Niki was still "on it"). The Villeneuve of 1997 in this year's Renault would've been a prospect to salivate over. As it is I'm glad they got rid of him after last year's outings; he'd be an embarrassment to the team. pete -- pete@fenelon.com "Send lawyers, guns and money...."
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Ernest 7 April 2005 09:49:24 [ permanent link ]
	"Hans Mьller" <john_m@bluewin.ch> wrote in message news:4254361b$1_1@news.bluewin.ch... "Ernest" <iwould@rather.stay.quiet> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:d2th1p$co0$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...> "Hans Mьller" <john_m@bluewin.ch> wrote in message> news:42519911$1_3@news.bluewin.ch...>> "Ernest" <dnvqsbfnNOSPAM@global.co.za> schrieb im Newsbeitrag>> news:d1dtn1$dvt$2@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...>>> At the end of last season I suggested that DC does not deserve to be in>>> F1 anymore. He did a splendid job in Australia and I therefore publicly>>> say "Sorry DC". Hope you gather many point in the Redbull!>>> he's a good driver, excellent teamplayer and sympathetic as well...but>> hold your horses...negative stats against Hakkinen, Raikkonen and now>> even against Klien?> Still doing better than Villeneuve though! Poor Peter Sauber. He really> made a bad decision this time. Probably quite expensive also....> I didn't compare Coulthard to Villeneuve. But I agree, that it seems that Peter Sauber for once did not have that lucky hand, he had before... Why this Villeneuve bashing all over this NG ? Is this some kind of jealousy ? He he's made himself a good contract, and ? Compared to Coulthard, who was as well in several seasons in a competitive car, Villeneuve won the championsship. It is actually very sad. After winning the championship, nobody doubted his talent. Now everybody wonders whether it was not just the car in 1997. Perhaps he thought that after the BAR fiasco he should show his real talent, but now the opposite is happening. Very sad.
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