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Re: Cosworth's 2006 V8
Sylvan Smyth 7 March 2005 01:19:05
	David Betts <davidb@motorsport.org.uk> wrote: Cosworth's V8 for next season is said to be giving>825bhp on the test bed already. There's something odd about this. Isn't capacity being reduced to 2.4 litres? Nobody's getting 825 bhp out of a 2.4 litre V8 if they're only getting 910 bhp out of a 3.0 litre V10. A 3.0 litre V8, sure, no problem, but they wouldn't even be getting 725 bhp out of a 2.4. --- Sylvan Smyth sylvan@islandnet.com Victoria, BC, Canada
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Pete Fenelon 7 March 2005 01:31:06 [ permanent link ]
	Sylvan Smyth <sylvan@islandnet.com> wrote:> David Betts <davidb@motorsport.org.uk> wrote:> Cosworth's V8 for next season is said to be giving>>825bhp on the test bed already.> There's something odd about this. Isn't capacity being reduced to 2.4> litres? Nobody's getting 825 bhp out of a 2.4 litre V8 if they're> only getting 910 bhp out of a 3.0 litre V10. A 3.0 litre V8, sure, no> problem, but they wouldn't even be getting 725 bhp out of a 2.4. Lighter crank, smaller reciprocating masses, higher revs. I can well believe it. pete -- pete@fenelon.com "Send lawyers, guns and money...."
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Sylvan Smyth 7 March 2005 05:25:07 [ permanent link ]
	There's something odd about this. Isn't capacity being reduced to 2.4>> litres? Nobody's getting 825 bhp out of a 2.4 litre V8 if they're>> only getting 910 bhp out of a 3.0 litre V10. A 3.0 litre V8, sure, no>> problem, but they wouldn't even be getting 725 bhp out of a 2.4. Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote: Lighter crank, smaller reciprocating masses, higher revs. >I can well believe it. Ya figure? 21,000+ rpm? That would be something. --- Sylvan Smyth sylvan@islandnet.com Victoria, BC, Canada
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Mark Jackson 7 March 2005 19:49:05 [ permanent link ]
	Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> writes:> Sylvan Smyth <sylvan@islandnet.com> wrote:> > David Betts <davidb@motorsport.org.uk> wrote:> > Cosworth's V8 for next season is said to be giving> >>825bhp on the test bed already.> > There's something odd about this. Isn't capacity being reduced to 2.4> > litres? Nobody's getting 825 bhp out of a 2.4 litre V8 if they're> > only getting 910 bhp out of a 3.0 litre V10. A 3.0 litre V8, sure, no> > problem, but they wouldn't even be getting 725 bhp out of a 2.4.> Lighter crank, smaller reciprocating masses, higher revs. > I can well believe it. The 2006 engine regs include Draconian restrictions on design and materials. If, even with this kind of silliness, it's still possible to get 90% of the power then the FIA's technical staff is even less competent than one suspected. -- Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson All creativity is an extended form of a joke. - Alan Kay
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Pete Fenelon 7 March 2005 20:13:09 [ permanent link ]
	Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:>> > There's something odd about this. Isn't capacity being reduced to 2.4>> > litres? Nobody's getting 825 bhp out of a 2.4 litre V8 if they're>> > only getting 910 bhp out of a 3.0 litre V10. A 3.0 litre V8, sure, no>> > problem, but they wouldn't even be getting 725 bhp out of a 2.4.>> Lighter crank, smaller reciprocating masses, higher revs. >> I can well believe it.> The 2006 engine regs include Draconian restrictions on design and> materials. If, even with this kind of silliness, it's still possible> to get 90% of the power then the FIA's technical staff is even less> competent than one suspected.> Oh dear - the only I've ever had any respect for on the FIA technical staff is Charlie Whiting, but I suspect technology's moved on past his level of competence now. The FIA needs to pay a new poacher-turned-gamekeeper - offer Newey and Martinelli (say) a couple of million a year each to think of new loopholes and plug them. pete -- pete@fenelon.com "Send lawyers, guns and money...."
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Matti Vuori 7 March 2005 20:37:06 [ permanent link ]
	Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote in newshsf0d.u6h.ln@fenelon.com:> Lighter crank, smaller reciprocating masses, higher revs. > I can well believe it. As the cylinder volume stays the same, reciproting masses are the same relative to the cylinder size giving no more bhp/liter. But a smaller engine makes, for example, better exhaust plumbing possible and a _shorter_ crankshaft and block might tolerate higher revs. Perhaps the cylinder bore can be increased due to lower packaging problems. Most likely the power increase simply comes from it being a new generation engine. Cosworth has been behind in the power race - it's time for them to climb back. -- Matti Vuori, <http://sivut.koti.soon.fi/mvuori/index-e.htm>
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Pete Fenelon 7 March 2005 21:13:06 [ permanent link ]
	Matti Vuori <mvuori@koti.soon.fi> wrote:> Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote in newshsf0d.u6h.ln@fenelon.com:>> Lighter crank, smaller reciprocating masses, higher revs. >> I can well believe it.> As the cylinder volume stays the same, reciproting masses are the same > relative to the cylinder size giving no more bhp/liter. > But a smaller engine makes, for example, better exhaust plumbing possible > and a _shorter_ crankshaft and block might tolerate higher revs. Perhaps > the cylinder bore can be increased due to lower packaging problems.> Exactly - I was assuming that the 2.4 would be shorter-stroke and bigger-bore than the 3.0, but it would still be a shorter engine than the V10. The 'lighter crank' is because it's shorter than the V10 one. But you're right that the mass of the reciprocating bits would be the same - my mistake! Most likely the power increase simply comes from it being a new > generation engine. Cosworth has been behind in the power race - it's time > for them to climb back. pete -- pete@fenelon.com "Send lawyers, guns and money...."
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Doc Knutsen 7 March 2005 22:55:07 [ permanent link ]
	Pete Fenelon wrote:> Sylvan Smyth <sylvan@islandnet.com> wrote:> David Betts <davidb@motorsport.org.uk> wrote:>> Cosworth's V8 for next season is said to be giving>>>825bhp on the test bed already.>> There's something odd about this. Isn't capacity being reduced to 2.4>>litres? Nobody's getting 825 bhp out of a 2.4 litre V8 if they're>>only getting 910 bhp out of a 3.0 litre V10. A 3.0 litre V8, sure, no>>problem, but they wouldn't even be getting 725 bhp out of a 2.4.> Lighter crank, smaller reciprocating masses, higher revs. > I can well believe it. Surely the reciprocating masses per cylinder of a 2.4 eight cylinder are not that different to a 3 liter ten cylinder? In that case, we're ready to go to the ultimate....the 1500cc Coventry Climax 16-cylinder :o) Doc pete
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Sylvan Smyth 7 March 2005 23:31:08 [ permanent link ]
	Matti Vuori <mvuori@koti.soon.fi> wrote: Most likely the power increase simply comes from it being a new >generation engine. I still think it comes from a miscommunication or a typo. --- Sylvan Smyth sylvan@islandnet.com Victoria, BC, Canada
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David Betts 8 March 2005 12:19:05 [ permanent link ]
	On 7 Mar 2005 19:31:06 GMT, Sylvan Smyth <sylvan@islandnet.com> wrote: Matti Vuori <mvuori@koti.soon.fi> wrote:> Most likely the power increase simply comes from it being a new >>generation engine.> I still think it comes from a miscommunication or a typo. Don't forget, Sylvan, that the best of the current engines would have been over 1000bhp last year without the one-race engine rule and that Honda still expects to achieve 1000bhp in the races later this year despite the two-race engine rule. No doubt the engines can produce much more power for short periods on the test bed. David Betts (davidb@motorsport.org.uk) "In the end it's always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" - Frank Gardner British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg
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A425couple 12 March 2005 20:25:07 [ permanent link ]
	"Doc Knutsen" <doc@NOSPAMknutspeed.com> wrote in message> Pete Fenelon wrote:> > Sylvan Smyth <sylvan@islandnet.com> wrote:> >>David Betts <davidb@motorsport.org.uk> wrote:> >>>Cosworth's V8 for next season is said to --825bhp> >>--something odd about this. Isn't capacity being reduced to 2.4> >>litres? Nobody's getting 825 bhp out of a 2.4 litre V8 if they're> >>only getting 910 bhp out of a 3.0 litre V10.> > Lighter crank, -- higher revs. I can well believe it.> Surely the reciprocating masses per cylinder of a 2.4 eight cylinder are> not that different to a 3 liter ten cylinder? In that case, we're ready> to go to the ultimate....the 1500cc Coventry Climax 16-cylinder :o)> Doc Pasha my friend, lets go really ultimate (of design over practicality) and go 1500 cc H16!!!
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