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BAR to join Bernie and Ferrari party
Brian Sullivan 26 April 2005 19:58:38
	My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this: http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.
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Giuseppe Verdi 26 April 2005 21:11:06 [ permanent link ]
	"Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in message news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group. Nahhhh...they let Tyrell off, so why wouldn't they let his team's morph off.
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Kofit 27 April 2005 01:29:43 [ permanent link ]
	"Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in message news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group. They let Benetton off for much worse.
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Jeff York 27 April 2005 01:38:03 [ permanent link ]
	"Giuseppe Verdi" <gverdi34@btinternet.com> wrote: "Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in message>news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...>> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:>> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml>> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing>> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.> Nahhhh...they let Tyrell off, so why wouldn't they let his team's morph off. Not exactly, unless you treat being excluded from the championship etc etc as "getting off". -- Jeff. Ironbridge, Shrops, U.K. jeff@xjackfieldx.org (remove the x..x round jackfield for return address) and don't bother with ralf4, it's a spamtrap and I never go there.. ... "There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea.." Henry James, (1843 - 1916).
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F2005: 0 of 2 1 May 2005 21:16:59 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:29:43 +0100, "kofit" <bdkofitrkofista@h5dskoitrHrkft.com> wrote:>"Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in message>news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...>> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:>> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml>> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing>> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.> They let Benetton off for much worse. ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder.
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Bullrogd 1 May 2005 23:19:23 [ permanent link ]
	"F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message news:sn3a71lgl737vd6koibhmdu0g3l5lci9mi@4ax.com...> On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:29:43 +0100, "kofit"> <bdkofitrkofista@h5dskoitrHrkft.com> wrote:> >"Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in message> >news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...> >> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:> >> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml> >> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing> >> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.> > They let Benetton off for much worse.> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder.> Not yet, "Italy's high court annulled the verdict passed-down last year. The trial is to re-open later this year, reasons cited is 'material errors in defendant's evidence'." Occam's razor, the steering broke.
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Graham Hodgson 3 May 2005 12:51:24 [ permanent link ]
	F2005: 0 of 2 wrote: ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder. Who did they murder? Cheers Graham -- Make a little birdhouse in your soul.
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John Gibson 3 May 2005 14:07:28 [ permanent link ]
	===== Original Message From Frank.Williams@LyingCheatingSwine.com =====>On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:29:43 +0100, "kofit"><bdkofitrkofista@h5dskoitrHrkft.com> wrote:>>"Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in message>>news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...>>> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:>>> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml>>> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing>>> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.>> They let Benetton off for much worse.> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder. As someone in law school (or even out of law school practising as an actual lawyer these days, who knows) you should surely realise the two essential flaws in that statement. www.groovesmag.com
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F2005: 0 of 2 3 May 2005 15:34:56 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 03 May 2005 09:51:24 +0100, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@hotmail.com> wrote:>F2005: 0 of 2 wrote:>> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder. >Who did they murder? Honesty, Decency, and Ayrton Senna.
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F2005: 0 of 2 3 May 2005 15:36:14 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:07:28 +0100, John Gibson <n6283818@swsimap.ncl.ac.uk> wrote:>>===== Original Message From Frank.Williams@LyingCheatingSwine.com =====>>On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:29:43 +0100, "kofit">><bdkofitrkofista@h5dskoitrHrkft.com> wrote:>>>"Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in message>>>news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...>>>> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:>>>> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml>>>> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing>>>> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.>>> They let Benetton off for much worse.>> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder.> As someone in law school (or even out of law school practising as an actual >lawyer these days, who knows) you should surely realise the two essential >flaws in that statement.> www.groovesmag.com Oh , please, why don't you diagram them "both"...
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John Gibson 3 May 2005 15:52:19 [ permanent link ]
	===== Original Message From Frank.Williams@LyingCheatingSwine.com =====>On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:07:28 +0100, John Gibson><n6283818@swsimap.ncl.ac.uk> wrote:>>>===== Original Message From Frank.Williams@LyingCheatingSwine.com =====>>>On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:29:43 +0100, "kofit">>><bdkofitrkofista@h5dskoitrHrkft.com> wrote:>>>"Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in message>>>news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...>>>> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:>>>> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml>>>> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing>>>> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.>>> They let Benetton off for much worse.>>> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder.>> As someone in law school (or even out of law school practising as an actual>>lawyer these days, who knows) you should surely realise the two essential>>flaws in that statement.>> www.groovesmag.com> Oh , please, why don't you diagram them "both"... Murder = delierate taking of another life with pre-meditation. So the Senna case was never about murder, it was about culpability for manslaughter, something very different. And then you'd have to prove the active involvment of both Williams and Head there. So far as I recall, it was Newey who stood to take the most flak (and the most significant fine or jail term in the event of a guilty verdict). www.groovesmag.com
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Graham Hodgson 3 May 2005 17:14:26 [ permanent link ]
	F2005: 0 of 2 wrote:> On Tue, 03 May 2005 09:51:24 +0100, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@hotmail.com>> wrote:> F2005: 0 of 2 wrote:>> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder. >> Who did they murder?> Honesty, Decency, and Ayrton Senna. Let me get this straight: You honestly believe they murdered Ayrton Senna? Cheers Graham -- Make a little birdhouse in your soul.
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John Gibson 3 May 2005 17:40:20 [ permanent link ]
	===== Original Message From Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@hotmail.com> =====>F2005: 0 of 2 wrote:>> On Tue, 03 May 2005 09:51:24 +0100, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@hotmail.com>>> wrote:>> F2005: 0 of 2 wrote:>>> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder.>>> Who did they murder?>> Honesty, Decency, and Ayrton Senna.> Let me get this straight: You honestly believe they murdered Ayrton Senna?> It would appear that he does. Some lawyer he's going to make! www.groovesmag.com
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Sepa 4 May 2005 02:50:14 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 1 May 2005 20:19:23 +0100, "Bullrogd" <builldfrihgs@bulrrgdofr.com> wrote: "F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message>news:sn3a71lgl737vd6koibhmdu0g3l5lci9mi@4ax.com...>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:29:43 +0100, "kofit">> <bdkofitrkofista@h5dskoitrHrkft.com> wrote:>> >"Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in>message>> >news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...>> >> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:>> >> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml>> >> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing>> >> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.>> > They let Benetton off for much worse.>> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder.>> Not yet,>"Italy's high court annulled the verdict passed-down last year. The trial is>to re-open later this year, reasons cited is 'material errors in defendant's>evidence'.">Occam's razor, the steering broke. the steering broke AFTER the crash tyres cooled down and that lowered the ride height by few milimeters in the middle of the Tamburello Senna's car touched the ground and lost grip for a fraction of a second, just enough to go off the road and in the wall
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John Gibson 4 May 2005 13:33:04 [ permanent link ]
	===== Original Message From Sepa <MAKNIsepa@kset.org> =====>On Sun, 1 May 2005 20:19:23 +0100, "Bullrogd"><builldfrihgs@bulrrgdofr.com> wrote:> "F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message>>news:sn3a71lgl737vd6koibhmdu0g3l5lci9mi@4ax.com...>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:29:43 +0100, "kofit">>> <bdkofitrkofista@h5dskoitrHrkft.com> wrote:>>> >"Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in>>message>>> >news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...>>> >> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:>>> >> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml>>> >> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing>>> >> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.>>> > They let Benetton off for much worse.>>> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder.>>> Not yet,>>"Italy's high court annulled the verdict passed-down last year. The trial is>>to re-open later this year, reasons cited is 'material errors in defendant's>>evidence'.">>Occam's razor, the steering broke.> the steering broke AFTER the crash>tyres cooled down and that lowered the ride height by few milimeters>in the middle of the Tamburello Senna's car touched the ground and>lost grip for a fraction of a second, just enough to go off the road>and in the wall Yes, funny how all this focus was on Senna's steering column and not on the existence of a rock solid concrete wall on the outside of a 190mph corner... Because whatever caused Senna's car to leave the road, there is no doubt that the poor run-off and lack of tyre barrier in front of the wall (thus causing the frontal debris to rebound back into the cockpit area, whereas with a deep tyre barrir it would have remained lodged under a pile of rubber) was solely responsible for the fact of his death. www.groovesmag.com
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Everythpsartyh 4 May 2005 14:33:08 [ permanent link ]
	"Sepa" <MAKNIsepa@kset.org> wrote in message news:jsvf71pr40fn1ru3leguc462poasuu0pkg@4ax.com...> On Sun, 1 May 2005 20:19:23 +0100, "Bullrogd"> <builldfrihgs@bulrrgdofr.com> wrote:> "F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message> >news:sn3a71lgl737vd6koibhmdu0g3l5lci9mi@4ax.com...> >> On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:29:43 +0100, "kofit"> >> <bdkofitrkofista@h5dskoitrHrkft.com> wrote:> >> >"Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in> >message> >> >news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...> >> >> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:> >> >> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml> >> >> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing> >> >> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.> >> > They let Benetton off for much worse.> >> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder.> >> Not yet,> >"Italy's high court annulled the verdict passed-down last year. The trial to re-open later this year, reasons cited is 'material errors in defendant's> >evidence'."> >Occam's razor, the steering broke.> the steering broke AFTER the crash> tyres cooled down and that lowered the ride height by few milimeters> in the middle of the Tamburello Senna's car touched the ground and> lost grip for a fraction of a second, just enough to go off the road> and in the wall The tyres were warm on lap 7 when he crashed. Senna, with a fully loaded car, clocked 1 min 24.887sec on the sixth lap of the restarted race. The 3rd fastest lapon the entire weekend. (and morons like you think someone could post that time on cold tyres).
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F2005: 0 of 2 5 May 2005 03:02:05 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 04 May 2005 00:50:14 +0200, Sepa <MAKNIsepa@kset.org> wrote:>On Sun, 1 May 2005 20:19:23 +0100, "Bullrogd"><builldfrihgs@bulrrgdofr.com> wrote:>>"F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message>>news:sn3a71lgl737vd6koibhmdu0g3l5lci9mi@4ax.com...>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:29:43 +0100, "kofit">>> <bdkofitrkofista@h5dskoitrHrkft.com> wrote:>>> >"Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in>>message>>> >news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...>>> >> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:>>> >> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml>>> >> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing>>> >> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.>>> > They let Benetton off for much worse.>>> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder.>>> Not yet,>>"Italy's high court annulled the verdict passed-down last year. The trial is>>to re-open later this year, reasons cited is 'material errors in defendant's>>evidence'.">>Occam's razor, the steering broke.> the steering broke AFTER the crash>tyres cooled down and that lowered the ride height by few milimeters>in the middle of the Tamburello Senna's car touched the ground and>lost grip for a fraction of a second, just enough to go off the road>and in the wall ...AND ELVIS ISN'T DEAD HE JUST WENT HOME TO PLUTO!!!
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F2005: 0 of 2 5 May 2005 03:06:55 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 03 May 2005 14:14:26 +0100, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@hotmail.com> wrote:>F2005: 0 of 2 wrote:>> On Tue, 03 May 2005 09:51:24 +0100, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@hotmail.com>>> wrote:>> F2005: 0 of 2 wrote:>>> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder. >>> Who did they murder?>> Honesty, Decency, and Ayrton Senna.> Let me get this straight: You honestly believe they murdered Ayrton Senna? I believe their ill-conceived decisions, added to hasty modifications poorly executed in their supervision, and the culpability revealed by their stonewalling and coverup efforts after the fact, support the allegation of criminally negligent homicide, which I think might be murder 3rd over here. ...So, yes. Autoracing is dangerous, it's not shouldn't be selfishly dismissive of life.
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James Connors 5 May 2005 07:29:36 [ permanent link ]
	F2005: 0 of 2 wrote: I believe their ill-conceived decisions, added to hasty modifications> poorly executed in their supervision, and the culpability revealed by> their stonewalling and coverup efforts after the fact, support the> allegation of criminally negligent homicide, which I think might be> murder 3rd over here. ...So, yes. Autoracing is dangerous, it's not shouldn't be selfishly dismissive of> life. Ambulance chaser. -- Cheerie-vederci . . . j a m e s Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly. -- Gilbert Keith Chesterton
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Doc Knutsen 5 May 2005 14:36:02 [ permanent link ]
	Sepa wrote:> On Sun, 1 May 2005 20:19:23 +0100, "Bullrogd"> <builldfrihgs@bulrrgdofr.com> wrote:> "F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message>>news:sn3a71lgl737vd6koibhmdu0g3l5lci9mi@4ax.com...>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:29:43 +0100, "kofit">>><bdkofitrkofista@h5dskoitrHrkft.com> wrote:>>> "Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in>>> message>> news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...>>>> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:>>>>> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml>>>>> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing>>>>>"manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.>>>> They let Benetton off for much worse.>>> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder.>>> Not yet,>>"Italy's high court annulled the verdict passed-down last year. The trial is>>to re-open later this year, reasons cited is 'material errors in defendant's>>evidence'.">>Occam's razor, the steering broke.> the steering broke AFTER the crash Pray tell, what broke it then? Doc tyres cooled down and that lowered the ride height by few milimeters> in the middle of the Tamburello Senna's car touched the ground and> lost grip for a fraction of a second, just enough to go off the road> and in the wall
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F2005: 0 of 2 6 May 2005 07:36:10 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 3 May 2005 12:52:19 +0100, John Gibson <n6283818@swsimap.ncl.ac.uk> wrote:>>===== Original Message From Frank.Williams@LyingCheatingSwine.com =====>>On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:07:28 +0100, John Gibson>><n6283818@swsimap.ncl.ac.uk> wrote:>>>>===== Original Message From Frank.Williams@LyingCheatingSwine.com =====>>>>On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:29:43 +0100, "kofit">>>><bdkofitrkofista@h5dskoitrHrkft.com> wrote:>>>>"Brian Sullivan" <briansullivan@WORMTIREDcoursesbywire.com> wrote in >message>>>>news:18du0mq4dzrxs$.hn05rm598lm5.dlg@40tude.net...>>>>> My bet is that the ultimate outcome of this:>>>>> http://www.planet-f1.com/news/story_19323.shtml>>>>> will be that BAR mysteriously will change sides and leave the opposing>>>>> "manufacturers" group to join the Bernie and Ferrari group.>>>> They let Benetton off for much worse.>>>> ...FFS: Williams and Head got away with murder.>>> As someone in law school (or even out of law school practising as an actual>>>lawyer these days, who knows) you should surely realise the two essential>>>flaws in that statement.>>> www.groovesmag.com>> Oh , please, why don't you diagram them "both"...> Murder = delierate taking of another life with pre-meditation. Wrong. ...F. Lee Baileys. ...You must have a out of date version of Baby's Big Pop-Up book of Penal Law. So the Senna case was never about murder, it was about culpability for >manslaughter, something very different. LOL. ...Imbecile. And then you'd have to prove the active involvment of both Williams and Head >there. So far as I recall, it was Newey who stood to take the most flak >(and the most significant fine or jail term in the event of a guilty verdict). Newey is not a principle of Williams F1 "Engineering", and, iirc, was not present at the event.
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