"Noone" <noone@nospamm_suom­i24.fi> wrote in message> news:MPG.1cd83b567c­1eafa898971c@news.so­ng.fi...> Kimi Rдikkцnen was fined 30000e for driving car with a trailer without> having a proper licence (E) to operate such a combination. He was> centenced with 12 dayfines which resulted to 30000e (income> 150000e/month). After the incident (July 2004) Kimi first denied the> crime and his income, but afterwards he pleaded guilty. Kimi wasn't> present in centencing.>

30,000 is a huge fine for such a trivial violation.

30,000 is a huge fine for such a trivial violation.

Yes but look at the trailer...>

http://www.hankstru­ckpictures.com/pix/t­rucks/len_rogers/fer­rari_iveco_transport­er.jpg

In case anyone was wondering.. that's a fine worth about $39,000 USD.>

I haven't read any more than what was posted above, but that must have > happened in Finland -- fines for driving infractions are based as a > percentage of your income (and not a set fine, like 1000euro for this, and > 3000 for that) - so it hurts a millionaire like Kimi as much as it does an > average joe (or 'mika').

Is that Ferrari's version of the secret tank?

AFAIK in Finland fines are always relative to the income.>

"Racefan_Dan" <Race_news@focusit.­cjb.net> skrev i melding> news:4PSdnQV0K9a1t_­PfRVn-hQ@aci.on.ca..­.> > "Noone" <noone@nospamm_suom­i24.fi> wrote in message> > news:MPG.1cd83b567c­1eafa898971c@news.so­ng.fi...> > Kimi Rдikkцnen was fined 30000e for driving car with a trailer without> > having a proper licence (E) to operate such a combination. He was> > centenced with 12 dayfines which resulted to 30000e (income> > 150000e/month). After the incident (July 2004) Kimi first denied the> > crime and his income, but afterwards he pleaded guilty. Kimi wasn't> > present in centencing.> >

Well, I'd say it would hurt me more to spend 10% of my income than for

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I wonder what Bill Gates would pay for a speeding ticket ­

the police must just be on the look out for the high rollers there> then

"Martin Schmidt" <ikarus260@gmx.net>­ wrote in message> news:3d6mukF6r0oi8U­1@individual.net...>­ > ray o'hara wrote:> >

Yes. Much fairer system.

AFAIK in Finland fines are always relative to the income.>

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What a crock.>

But if 150,000 is really his monthly income, that's 20% of a month's

So, if youґre rich, you canґt be punished?

"Randy Howard" <randyhoward@FOOver­izonBAR.net> wrote in message> news:MPG.1cd872721e­f4d91798a491@news.ve­rizon.net...> > In article <d4ln78$d7u$1@nwrdm­z02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-i­nfra.bt.com>,> > "neutron" <neutron(not real)@a.b.c.co.uk> says...> > >

Explain yourself

Equal fines for equal offenses. It's real, real easy.>

The size of your bank account has nothing to do with> what you should pay for some bureaucratic violation.>

Do rich rapists deserve a higher or lower sentence than> pauper rapists when convicted? If you think anything> other than "equal" explain yourself.

Equal fines for equal offenses. It's real, real easy.>The size of your bank account has nothing to do with>what you should pay for some bureaucratic violation.>

Do rich rapists deserve a higher or lower sentence than>pauper rapists when convicted? If you think anything>other than "equal" explain yourself.>

Fines are meant to be deterrents.

On any scale you wish to provide, what is the deterrent > value of a 200 dollar fine to a guy who makes> 1500 a day, as opposed to one who makes only a 150 ?

There is a difference between a criminal and a civil offense,

You don't. Fine. How about the millions who do ?

Let's go along with that, although he was pulled up for driving> without a valid license for the given trailer..

Whether this fine is a million bucks or 50 bucks matters none, the> prevention process of receiving that fine is the same.

Anyone know what happens in Finland if your salary is 40 quid a week? Do > you get fined 10 quid? Because at the moment, that is my official salary > (my research grant doesn't count as salary, which comes in handy for all > sorts of reasons, even without a fining structure like Finlands').>

Racefan_Dan wrote:>> And if you think the Finnish police are sitting there tracking every rich >> person's movements so they can bust them -- well, I'm sure they'd disagree. >> Go to Finland and break the law, and don't come crying to us here when they >> bust you and find out you're not Mr. Moneybags after all. >

Anyone know what happens in Finland if your salary is 40 quid a week? Do >you get fined 10 quid? Because at the moment, that is my official salary >(my research grant doesn't count as salary, which comes in handy for all >sorts of reasons, even without a fining structure like Finlands').

Racefan_Dan wrote:> > And if you think the Finnish police are sitting there tracking every rich> > person's movements so they can bust them -- well, I'm sure they'd disagree.> > Go to Finland and break the law, and don't come crying to us here when they> > bust you and find out you're not Mr. Moneybags after all.>

Anyone know what happens in Finland if your salary is 40 quid a week? Do> you get fined 10 quid? Because at the moment, that is my official salary> (my research grant doesn't count as salary, which comes in handy for all> sorts of reasons, even without a fining structure like Finlands').>

--> Phil>

http://www.usefilm.­com/photographer/313­07.html

Minimum fine (per day fee, which has been explained here already) is> defined somewhere, I can't remember the exact sum but it's around 6> euros when you have no income. So if Kimi was broke and unempoyed,> he'd been fined around 50 - 100 Eur.>

Yes, the system sucks very much. If Bill Gates were caught speeding in> Finland, we could take a year off paying income taxes...>

//kimmo> I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone,> but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson --

Dude, the whole point in stopping Kimi was that he was pulling a trailer > loaded with snowmobiles without the proper license to do so on a long(ish) > roadtrip. A short trip is, for whatever reason, considered 'acceptable' and > no additional license is needed.

But if you're going to be doing a lot of driving (even if just for 1 trip), > you need the proper instruction and license.

Therefore, Kimi was being unsafe.

So you think he has the stamina to complete 50+ laps in an F1 car> but might get too tired on a long trip pulling a snowmobile, unless> he has a special license, but he can do it just fine on a short> trip? Yeah, that's likely.>

Regulations aside, how does driving a trailer with a snowmobile on it> for 500 miles harder than doing it for 50 miles, particularly for> someone with the driving skill of Kimi? Please be specific.>

No, he broke a law. Did he wreck the trailer? Did he get hurt, or> hurt anyone else?

So you think he has the stamina to complete 50+ laps in an F1 car> but might get too tired on a long trip pulling a snowmobile, unless> he has a special license, but he can do it just fine on a short> trip? Yeah, that's likely.>

Regulations aside, how does driving a trailer with a snowmobile on it> for 500 miles harder than doing it for 50 miles, particularly for> someone with the driving skill of Kimi? Please be specific.>

No, he broke a law. Did he wreck the trailer? Did he get hurt, or> hurt anyone else?

an F1 car does not handle in the same way as a trailer with 3 snowmobiles on it.

This strikes me as a thoroughly absurd bit of legislation.

If (2) above is the case and it's necessary for (3) to apply to make it> "safe" for long journeys - how on earth can it said to be "safe" if> it's "just a short journey"? It's either dangerous and needs> certification, or it isn't.>

Bonkers! ­

Last year's Jordan did.

Are you seriously suggesting that driving without a special "trailer> towing license" is equivalent to DWI? Surely not.

Is anyone seriously pretending that Kimi getting a ticket for>not having a proper license (as if there is a license for >which he couldn't qualify) is a rational event? It's sort>of like having the FAA bust Chuck Yeager on a ramp check>for not having his pilot's license. >

Provided every violation for the same event costs the same fee,>then that's fine. When you give police an incentive to pull>over the wealthy just to collect more fees, instead of focusing>on actual crime and other dangerous events, you have a problem.>

Naive. Fines are meant to collect money. Any deterrent> fact that may have is a bonus.