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Common Misconceptions
CatharticF1 25 April 2005 07:33:30
	1. The Earth is flat 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres 4. The F2005 isn't quick. Alonso looked like a hunted man, and every track isn't Imola nor will Schu start so far bak. -- CatharticF1 "In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other." Benjamin Franklin on the US Constitution, 1787
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Iain Miller 25 April 2005 11:39:08 [ permanent link ]
	"CatharticF1" <eferrari@heaven.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1cd702065406558f9896d4@news.bigpond.com...> 1. The Earth is flat> 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel> 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres> 4. The F2005 isn't quick.> Alonso looked like a hunted man, and every track isn't Imola nor will> Schu start so far bak. ...but he is now 26 points behind so it theoretically it could take him 13 races to close that down. It'll be interesting to see which one of them "blinks" first - and then there will be reliability issues thrown in for good measure. Imola is a difficult track to pass on - but then so is Barcelona & so is Monaco (the next 2) and so a number of others..... I.
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Bigbird 25 April 2005 12:14:17 [ permanent link ]
	CatharticF1 wrote:> 1. The Earth is flat> 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel> 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres> 4. The F2005 isn't quick.> Where on earth do you live? The nineteenth century. Let me add, as I feel it must also be a common misconception around your way. 5. It's okay to sleep with your sister
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Bigbird 25 April 2005 12:53:38 [ permanent link ]
	Iain Miller wrote:> "CatharticF1" <eferrari@heaven.net> wrote in message> news:MPG.1cd702065406558f9896d4@news.bigpond.com...> > 1. The Earth is flat> > 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel> > 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres> > 4. The F2005 isn't quick.> > Alonso looked like a hunted man, and every track isn't Imola nor> > will Schu start so far bak.> ...but he is now 26 points behind so it theoretically it could take> him 13 races to close that down. I think one or two other drivers may have something to contribute that will scupper that theory. Given this weekends performance it would seem likely that it is Alonso who will find it more of a struggle to stay high in the points. They may even let Rubens join in now MS is ahead in the points. It'll be interesting to see which> one of them "blinks" first - and then there will be reliability> issues thrown in for good measure.> Imola is a difficult track to pass on - but then so is Barcelona & so> is Monaco (the next 2) and so a number of others.....> I.
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Lagano 25 April 2005 13:08:16 [ permanent link ]
	Bigbird wrote:> CatharticF1 wrote:> 1. The Earth is flat>>2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel>>3. The F2005 is hard on tyres>>4. The F2005 isn't quick.>> Where on earth do you live? The nineteenth century.> Let me add, as I feel it must also be a common misconception around your > way.> 5. It's okay to sleep with your sister Hey hey, hold on, what's wrong about sleeping with his sister ?
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Brian Lawrence 25 April 2005 14:46:10 [ permanent link ]
	"Da Frank" <fajp@ooptushome.com.au> wrote: Alonso looked like a cool and calm veteran who was never rattled right> through the 10(?) lap pressure. He simply picked his lines and Schumi> could not even get a half pass in with a car as superior as that> Ferrari seemed. Alonso slowed the pace to the high 25s, MS was doing> 21s up until then. That's almost like catching a Minardi. Just to correct a small error here - "MS was doing 21s up until then". Actually he only did one lap below 1'22s in the whole race - lap 48 (1'21.858s). He hadn't been in the 22s range since he caught up with Button (last 1'22s lap was lap 41, when he was 1.5s behind JB). Michael's quick laps (sub 1'23s) didn't start until lap 24, and continued until lap 41. In that time he only dropped outside 1'23s on three laps (laps 27 - in lap, 28 - out lap, & 39 - backmarkers?). Apart from backmarkers (maybe?) he had a fairly clear track throughout those laps. 24 1.0s behind Wurz (4th) 25 3.5s Button (3rd) 26 1.2s 27 1.1s 28 21.9s 29 20.2s 30 18.6s 31 17.1s 32 15.3s 33 13.6s 34 11.9s 35 9.4s 36 7.5s 37 6.3s 38 5.3s 39 4.6s 40 2.8s 41 1.5s -- Brian Lawrence Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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Da Frank 25 April 2005 16:28:18 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:46:10 +0100, "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn.com> wrote: Ferrari seemed. Alonso slowed the pace to the high 25s, MS was doing>> 21s up until then. That's almost like catching a Minardi.> Just to correct a small error here - "MS was doing 21s up until then".>Actually he only did one lap below 1'22s in the whole race - lap 48>(1'21.858s). He hadn't been in the 22s range since he caught up with>Button (last 1'22s lap was lap 41, when he was 1.5s behind JB).> Ahhh, thanks. I think i may have fallen for a "and now he is doing 21s" statement from one of the commentators.. Michael's quick laps (sub 1'23s) didn't start until lap 24, and continued>until lap 41. In that time he only dropped outside 1'23s on three laps>(laps 27 - in lap, 28 - out lap, & 39 - backmarkers?).> Yep, he had a very clean run until he caught Jenson, who did him a favor and then he had some more clean ones to catch Alonso. -- Regards, Frank
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Dave R knows who 25 April 2005 18:54:43 [ permanent link ]
	"CatharticF1" <eferrari@heaven.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1cd702065406558f9896d4@news.bigpond.com...> 1. The Earth is flat> 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel> 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres> 4. The F2005 isn't quick.> Alonso looked like a hunted man, and every track isn't Imola nor will> Schu start so far bak.> Agreed. I fear barring future incidents as happened in qualifying, Shuey could win all the remaining races this year. I hope Renault is up to the task but after so many years of seeing Ferrari dominate, I have little faith.
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Doc Knutsen 25 April 2005 20:43:10 [ permanent link ]
	CatharticF1 wrote:> 1. The Earth is flat> 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel> 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres> 4. The F2005 isn't quick.> Alonso looked like a hunted man, and every track isn't Imola nor will > Schu start so far bak. Quite. And? Look, some of us watch Grand Prix racing hoping to see a fight between the best driver and the best machines. Which is precisely what we had yesterday. Schuey will win races this year, but hopefully there will be real fights for the titles. Doc
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Richard Miller 25 April 2005 22:28:45 [ permanent link ]
	In message <kpbp61t7cnuq5us1mphve0cpirnig7v308@4ax.com>, Da Frank <fajp@ooptushome.com.au> writes>Alonso looked like a cool and calm veteran who was never rattled right >through the 10(?) lap pressure. He simply picked his lines and Schumi >could not even get a half pass in with a car as superior as that >Ferrari seemed. Alonso slowed the pace to the high 25s, MS was doing >21s up until then. That's almost like catching a Minardi. This shows up >a couple of things. MS wasn't going to do a stupid move and throw 8 >points away which is a good thing, but more importantly, the Ferrari >suffered badly behind the Renault. So it is obviously extremely reliant >on aero to perhaps cover for a not so perfect chassis ? It'll be >interesting how the next few races pan out. If MS can qualify up front, >it'll be hard to beat him, but if Alonso and the Macs keep doing those >hot laps to get on the front row, he'll have his work cut out. There is also a question over just how much Alonso was holding back to preserve an engine that had already had to do Bahrain. Next race, Schumacher will be running with an old engine, and most of the others will have new ones. Add in Kimi's bad luck, and I don't think we have yet seen a true comparison of the cars. But there is no doubt that the Ferrari is right up there and Schumi will win a few races this year. -- Richard Miller
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Scott 25 April 2005 22:59:32 [ permanent link ]
	"Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> wrote in message news:KOidnbPNsvePLfHfRVnytA@pipex.net> Iain Miller wrote:>> "CatharticF1" <eferrari@heaven.net> wrote in message>> news:MPG.1cd702065406558f9896d4@news.bigpond.com...>>> 1. The Earth is flat>>> 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel>>> 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres>>> 4. The F2005 isn't quick.>>> Alonso looked like a hunted man, and every track isn't Imola nor>>> will Schu start so far bak.>> ...but he is now 26 points behind so it theoretically it could take>> him 13 races to close that down.> I think one or two other drivers may have something to contribute> that will scupper that theory. Given this weekends performance it> would seem likely that it is Alonso who will find it more of a> struggle to stay high in the points. Indeed, Raikonnen looked pretty fast, and if he sorts out reliability, I see him getting ahead of Alonso in some races, and (hopefully) battling with MS for the lead. They may even let Rubens join in now MS is ahead in the points.> It'll be interesting to see which>> one of them "blinks" first - and then there will be reliability>> issues thrown in for good measure.>> Imola is a difficult track to pass on - but then so is Barcelona &>> so is Monaco (the next 2) and so a number of others.....>> I.
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Scott 25 April 2005 23:06:02 [ permanent link ]
	JB screwed up approaching/lapping back markers - FA made sure he> didn't have to pass them by slowing the pace. Skillful driving by> Fernando, but as you say the track playing into his hands with> passing chances being so few. A very entertaining conclusion to the> race - screwed up by ITV of course! And also the traction/power of the Renault seemed to prevent MS from getting anywhere close for the "usual" passing place at the end of the straight. Maybe MS should have run a bit less wing in order to make passing easier?
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Bigbird 25 April 2005 23:57:06 [ permanent link ]
	scott wrote:> "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> wrote in message> news:KOidnbPNsvePLfHfRVnytA@pipex.net> > Iain Miller wrote:> > > "CatharticF1" <eferrari@heaven.net> wrote in message> > > news:MPG.1cd702065406558f9896d4@news.bigpond.com...> > > > 1. The Earth is flat> > > > 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on> > > > fuel 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres> > > > 4. The F2005 isn't quick.> > > > Alonso looked like a hunted man, and every track isn't Imola nor> > > > will Schu start so far bak.> > > ...but he is now 26 points behind so it theoretically it could> > > take him 13 races to close that down.> > I think one or two other drivers may have something to contribute> > that will scupper that theory. Given this weekends performance it> > would seem likely that it is Alonso who will find it more of a> > struggle to stay high in the points.> Indeed, Raikonnen looked pretty fast, and if he sorts out> reliability, I see him getting ahead of Alonso in some races, and> (hopefully) battling with MS for the lead.> Well subsequent to the first pitstops Wurz was certainly no slower than FA and I beleive KR would have been somewhat faster. This would still put him an astonishing 1-1.5 secs slower than the Ferrari though. So they would need a big step to close. He also has a big disadvantage in Q1 next time out. If Ferrari vapourised we would have a hell of a season with Renault, Bar and McLaren having the cars of the moment but Williams and Toyota not out of the game. Unfortunately it only Ferrari who have the technology to vapourise the opposition apparently. I vote for a Ferrari one make formula to rid us of some of the more unsavoury characters currently associated with F1. ;)
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Scott 26 April 2005 00:35:24 [ permanent link ]
	If Ferrari vapourised we would have a hell of a season with> Renault, Bar and McLaren having the cars of the moment but Williams> and Toyota not out of the game. Unfortunately it only Ferrari who> have the technology to vapourise the opposition apparently. Well thank God that the racing actually continues behind the leader then Let's just pray for TV directors that don't follow the leader for 50% of the time when they're not doing anything interesting.
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Arkofit 26 April 2005 01:45:14 [ permanent link ]
	"Richard Miller" <richard@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:FKH+Xa5dbTbCFw61@seasalter0.demon.co.uk...> In message <kpbp61t7cnuq5us1mphve0cpirnig7v308@4ax.com>, Da Frank> <fajp@ooptushome.com.au> writes> >Alonso looked like a cool and calm veteran who was never rattled right> >through the 10(?) lap pressure. He simply picked his lines and Schumi> >could not even get a half pass in with a car as superior as that> >Ferrari seemed. Alonso slowed the pace to the high 25s, MS was doing> >21s up until then. That's almost like catching a Minardi. This shows up> >a couple of things. MS wasn't going to do a stupid move and throw 8> >points away which is a good thing, but more importantly, the Ferrari> >suffered badly behind the Renault. So it is obviously extremely reliant> >on aero to perhaps cover for a not so perfect chassis ? It'll be> >interesting how the next few races pan out. If MS can qualify up front,> >it'll be hard to beat him, but if Alonso and the Macs keep doing those> >hot laps to get on the front row, he'll have his work cut out.> There is also a question over just how much Alonso was holding back to> preserve an engine that had already had to do Bahrain. Next race,> Schumacher will be running with an old engine, and most of the others> will have new ones.> Schumacher used the same engine he used in Bahrain, it had only done 13 laps.
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Tim@Nocomment.Com 26 April 2005 02:11:08 [ permanent link ]
	CatharticF1 wrote: 1. The Earth is flat> 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel> 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres> 4. The F2005 isn't quick.> Alonso looked like a hunted man, and every track isn't Imola nor will > Schu start so far bak.> How much did the tires play into this?
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Mark Jones 26 April 2005 02:48:02 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:06:02 GMT, "scott" <spam@spam.com> wrote:>> JB screwed up approaching/lapping back markers - FA made sure he>> didn't have to pass them by slowing the pace. Skillful driving by>> Fernando, but as you say the track playing into his hands with>> passing chances being so few. A very entertaining conclusion to the>> race - screwed up by ITV of course!> And also the traction/power of the Renault seemed to prevent MS from getting >anywhere close for the "usual" passing place at the end of the straight. >Maybe MS should have run a bit less wing in order to make passing easier? Also, at the press conference Alonso seemed to be alluding to using a tactic of braking more than usual at the apexes in order to prevent Schumacher getting a run on him out of the corners. Impressive drive from FA, he didn't make any errors under all that pressure. - Jones FORZA!
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Matthew Pope 26 April 2005 08:40:03 [ permanent link ]
	Incredibly, "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> managed to sputter: CatharticF1 wrote:>> 1. The Earth is flat>> 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel>> 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres>> 4. The F2005 isn't quick.>> Where on earth do you live? The nineteenth century.> Let me add, as I feel it must also be a common misconception around your > way.> 5. It's okay to sleep with your sister> <whoosh> -- Cheers, Matt Pope You're my vitamins...
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CatharticF1 26 April 2005 09:34:23 [ permanent link ]
	In article <426D1E1E.4050805@NOSPAMknutspeed.com>, doc@NOSPAMknutspeed.com says...> CatharticF1 wrote:> > 1. The Earth is flat> > 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel> > 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres> > 4. The F2005 isn't quick.> > Alonso looked like a hunted man, and every track isn't Imola nor will > > Schu start so far bak.> Quite. And?> Look, some of us watch Grand Prix racing hoping to see a fight between > the best driver and the best machines. Which is precisely what we had > yesterday. Schuey will win races this year, but hopefully there will be > real fights for the titles.> Doc Just relishing the nay sayers after the previous GP Doc.. -- CatharticF1 "In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other." Benjamin Franklin on the US Constitution, 1787
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Bigbird 26 April 2005 10:55:17 [ permanent link ]
	Matthew Pope wrote:> Incredibly, "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> managed to sputter:> CatharticF1 wrote:> > > 1. The Earth is flat> > > 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel> > > 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres> > > 4. The F2005 isn't quick.> > > Where on earth do you live? The nineteenth century.> > Let me add, as I feel it must also be a common misconception around> > your way.> > 5. It's okay to sleep with your sister> > <whoosh> Don't worry about it, you aren't all expected to understand everything right off the bat. Do you have a CBS equivalent in the colonies?
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Revitorlose 26 April 2005 12:28:37 [ permanent link ]
	"scott" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message news:ucbbe.4403$wu2.1550@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...> > JB screwed up approaching/lapping back markers - FA made sure he> > didn't have to pass them by slowing the pace. Skillful driving by> > Fernando, but as you say the track playing into his hands with> > passing chances being so few. A very entertaining conclusion to the> > race - screwed up by ITV of course!> And also the traction/power of the Renault seemed to prevent MS from getting> anywhere close for the "usual" passing place at the end of the straight.> Maybe MS should have run a bit less wing in order to make passing easier? Thats right, Alonso just took a sandwich break because he knew the Renault's Torque was better.
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Matthew Pope 26 April 2005 13:03:24 [ permanent link ]
	Incredibly, "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> managed to sputter: Matthew Pope wrote:>> Incredibly, "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> managed to sputter:>> CatharticF1 wrote:>> > > 1. The Earth is flat>> > > 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on>> > > fuel 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres>> > > 4. The F2005 isn't quick.>> > > Where on earth do you live? The nineteenth century.>> > Let me add, as I feel it must also be a common misconception around>> > your way.>> > 5. It's okay to sleep with your sister>> > <whoosh>> Don't worry about it, you aren't all expected to understand everything> right off the bat. Do you have a CBS equivalent in the colonies? > No mate, you didn't get it... -- Cheers, Matt Pope You're my vitamins...
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Bigbird 26 April 2005 13:17:36 [ permanent link ]
	Matthew Pope wrote:> Incredibly, "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> managed to sputter:> Matthew Pope wrote:> > > Incredibly, "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> managed to sputter:> > > CatharticF1 wrote:> > > > > 1. The Earth is flat> > > > > 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on> > > > > fuel 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres> > > > > 4. The F2005 isn't quick.> > > > > Where on earth do you live? The nineteenth century.> > > > Let me add, as I feel it must also be a common misconception> > > > around your way.> > > > 5. It's okay to sleep with your sister> > > > <whoosh>> > Don't worry about it, you aren't all expected to understand> > everything right off the bat. Do you have a CBS equivalent in the> > colonies?> > No mate, you didn't get it... Well out with your best CBS impression then. I think you'll find you're flying rather lower than you thought though it may take you a while to work it out. But never mind I can patient.
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Matthew Pope 26 April 2005 14:07:45 [ permanent link ]
	Incredibly, "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> managed to sputter: Matthew Pope wrote:>> Incredibly, "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> managed to sputter:>> Matthew Pope wrote:>> > > Incredibly, "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> managed to sputter:>> > > CatharticF1 wrote:>> > > > > 1. The Earth is flat>> > > > > 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on>> > > > > fuel 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres>> > > > > 4. The F2005 isn't quick.>> > > > > Where on earth do you live? The nineteenth century.>> > > > Let me add, as I feel it must also be a common misconception>> > > > around your way.>> > > > 5. It's okay to sleep with your sister>> > > > <whoosh>>> > Don't worry about it, you aren't all expected to understand>> > everything right off the bat. Do you have a CBS equivalent in the>> > colonies?>> > No mate, you didn't get it...> Well out with your best CBS impression then. I think you'll find> you're flying rather lower than you thought though it may take you a> while to work it out. But never mind I can patient.> And Brendan has CBS too, does he? -- Cheers, Matt Pope You're my vitamins...
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Bigbird 26 April 2005 14:34:20 [ permanent link ]
	Matthew Pope wrote:> Incredibly, "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> managed to sputter:> Matthew Pope wrote:> > > Incredibly, "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> managed to sputter:> > > Matthew Pope wrote:> > > > > Incredibly, "Bigbird" <lay@work.nest> managed to sputter:> > > > > CatharticF1 wrote:> > > > > > > 1. The Earth is flat> > > > > > > 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was> > > > > > > low on fuel 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres> > > > > > > 4. The F2005 isn't quick.> > > > > > > Where on earth do you live? The nineteenth century.> > > > > > Let me add, as I feel it must also be a common misconception> > > > > > around your way.> > > > > > 5. It's okay to sleep with your sister> > > > > > <whoosh>> > > > Don't worry about it, you aren't all expected to understand> > > > everything right off the bat. Do you have a CBS equivalent in> > > > the colonies?> > > > No mate, you didn't get it...> > Well out with your best CBS impression then. I think you'll find> > you're flying rather lower than you thought though it may take you a> > while to work it out. But never mind I can patient.> > And Brendan has CBS too, does he? Nope, a couple of times and it doesn't appear to explain any of your comments.
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F2005: 0 of 2 30 April 2005 18:07:06 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 03:33:30 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari@heaven.net> wrote:>1. The Earth is flat>2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel>3. The F2005 is hard on tyres>4. The F2005 isn't quick. 5) "Britannia rules the world".
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F2005: 0 of 2 30 April 2005 18:30:22 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:11:08 -0400, "tim@nocomment.com" <tim@nocomment.com> wrote:>CatharticF1 wrote:>> 1. The Earth is flat>> 2. Schumacher was only quick in Bahrain because he was low on fuel>> 3. The F2005 is hard on tyres>> 4. The F2005 isn't quick.>> Alonso looked like a hunted man, and every track isn't Imola nor will >> Schu start so far bak.> How much did the tires play into this? No more than they play in Renault's rather unlikely success this year, Fuckwit.
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