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Dave R knows who 25 April 2005 04:06:50
	Again?!? Williams needs to get some real drivers next year.
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Russell Hobman 25 April 2005 06:23:05 [ permanent link ]
	Couldn't have been the car that was crap, could it? "Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote in message news:uwWae.16177$m31.147183@typhoon.sonic.net...> Again?!?> Williams needs to get some real drivers next year.>
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F2005: 0 of 2 25 April 2005 07:15:47 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:23:05 +1000, "russell hobman" <rhobman@dodo.com.au> wrote:>> Again?!?> Couldn't have been the car that was crap, could it? ...How'd he do at Minardi?
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Falcon Freak 25 April 2005 07:27:26 [ permanent link ]
	"F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message news:06oo615mgo4dud5m1m6arqmqgirvj4e02l@4ax.com...> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:23:05 +1000, "russell hobman"> <rhobman@dodo.com.au> wrote:>>> Again?!?>> Couldn't have been the car that was crap, could it?> ...How'd he do at Minardi?> Not as well as he did at Jaguar where he destroyed Pizzonia's reputation. FF
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CatharticF1 25 April 2005 08:42:39 [ permanent link ]
	In article <uwWae.16177$m31.147183@typhoon.sonic.net>, kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com says...> Again?!?> Williams needs to get some real drivers next year. Well he was only one place down on Heidfeld. He did make two small mistakes but also one very nice pass. I suspect his tyres suffered more in those early stages behind Trulli than Nick, who was possibly wisely hanging back and waiting. But really the car needs to be kinder to its tyres and apparently more downforce. -- CatharticF1 "In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other." Benjamin Franklin on the US Constitution, 1787
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Joe 25 April 2005 09:15:32 [ permanent link ]
	i think u will find its the car!!! "Falcon Freak" <not@supplied.com> wrote in message news:ysZae.23716$5F3.1631@news-server.bigpond.net.au...> "F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message > news:06oo615mgo4dud5m1m6arqmqgirvj4e02l@4ax.com...>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:23:05 +1000, "russell hobman">> <rhobman@dodo.com.au> wrote:>>>> Again?!?>>> Couldn't have been the car that was crap, could it?>> ...How'd he do at Minardi?>> Not as well as he did at Jaguar where he destroyed Pizzonia's reputation.>
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Guest 25 April 2005 10:52:55 [ permanent link ]
	i don't think it's the car that has trouble at the starts. good qualifier, but...
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Da Frank 25 April 2005 12:34:40 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:52:55 -0500, jetjag@webtv.net wrote: i don't think it's the car that has trouble at the starts. good>qualifier, but...> The start is probably a shitty clutch and they just can't get it right as opposed to how Renault did. IMO, he is simply trying too hard. Maybe it's the pressure from the media or not being able to meet his own expectations or whatever, but he is making too many mistakes and simply can't find the groove.. -- Regards, Frank
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Giuseppe Verdi 25 April 2005 15:10:00 [ permanent link ]
	"CatharticF1" <eferrari@heaven.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1cd7123733efb6a09896d7@news.bigpond.com...> Well he was only one place down on Heidfeld. ...Which made him three places down from Villeneuve, which makes both of them crap, so far. He did make two small> mistakes I'm sure Pat Head didn't think they were small, losing WC points and all that. but also one very nice pass. I suspect his tyres suffered more> in those early stages behind Trulli than Nick, who was possibly wisely> hanging back and waiting. But really the car needs to be kinder to its> tyres and apparently more downforce. Yea, it's the car...maybe Jacques would trade him for his Sauber, since it is so much faster than the Williams. Face it, unless he picks up his game and has a race or two near the front, he will be considered a fluke.
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Richard Miller 25 April 2005 22:23:32 [ permanent link ]
	In message <ysZae.23716$5F3.1631@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Falcon Freak <not@supplied.com> writes> "F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message>news:06oo615mgo4dud5m1m6arqmqgirvj4e02l@4ax.com...>> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:23:05 +1000, "russell hobman">> <rhobman@dodo.com.au> wrote:>>>> Again?!?>>> Couldn't have been the car that was crap, could it?>> ...How'd he do at Minardi? Taking it over the year after Alonso had impressed so much in it, he also did things with it that should have been physically impossible. Not as well as he did at Jaguar where he destroyed Pizzonia's reputation. Indeed, once again qualifying the car well above its true potential, but simply not able to keep it there during the race. Which seems to be what is happening again. -- Richard Miller
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F2005: 0 of 2 26 April 2005 02:48:29 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:23:32 +0100, Richard Miller <richard@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote:>>> ...How'd he do at Minardi?>>Not as well as he did at Jaguar where he destroyed Pizzonia's reputation.> Indeed, once again qualifying the car well above its true potential, but >simply not able to keep it there during the race.> Which seems to be what is happening again. ...Just how's that, exactly?
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CatharticF1 26 April 2005 09:36:04 [ permanent link ]
	In article <116pk098vclbfc7@news.supernews.com>, gverdi34@btinternet.com says...> "CatharticF1" <eferrari@heaven.net> wrote in message> news:MPG.1cd7123733efb6a09896d7@news.bigpond.com...> > Well he was only one place down on Heidfeld.> ...Which made him three places down from Villeneuve, which makes both of them> crap, so far.> He did make two small> > mistakes> I'm sure Pat Head didn't think they were small, losing WC points and all that.> but also one very nice pass. I suspect his tyres suffered more> > in those early stages behind Trulli than Nick, who was possibly wisely> > hanging back and waiting. But really the car needs to be kinder to its> > tyres and apparently more downforce.> Yea, it's the car...maybe Jacques would trade him for his Sauber, since it is so> much faster than the Williams. Face it, unless he picks up his game and has a> race or two near the front, he will be considered a fluke. I also understand that he had to reduce revs towards the end of the race. -- CatharticF1 "In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other." Benjamin Franklin on the US Constitution, 1787
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Neutron 26 April 2005 20:06:51 [ permanent link ]
	"Falcon Freak" <not@supplied.com> wrote in message news:ysZae.23716$5F3.1631@news-server.bigpond.net.au...> "F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message> news:06oo615mgo4dud5m1m6arqmqgirvj4e02l@4ax.com...> > On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:23:05 +1000, "russell hobman"> > <rhobman@dodo.com.au> wrote:> >>> Again?!?> >> Couldn't have been the car that was crap, could it?> > ...How'd he do at Minardi?> > Not as well as he did at Jaguar where he destroyed Pizzonia's reputation.> What reputation?
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Trevor 27 April 2005 08:57:54 [ permanent link ]
	If anybody at Williams is under pressure it should be Sam Michaels, Not the drivers! The FW27 just isn't up to it as of yet. Plus there were rumours at San Marino that Williams want Gascoyne. I would say finishing 9th and 10th is pretty much where Williams are at the moment, 5th/6th best team following: Ferrari, Renault, Mclaren (bit of a unknown package), BAR, Toyota. Get your act together Williams.
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Dc 27 April 2005 10:12:32 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 04:42:39 GMT, CatharticF1 <eferrari@heaven.net> wrote: In article <uwWae.16177$m31.147183@typhoon.sonic.net>, >kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com says...>> Again?!?>> Williams needs to get some real drivers next year.> Well he was only one place down on Heidfeld. He did make two small >mistakes but also one very nice pass. I suspect his tyres suffered more >in those early stages behind Trulli than Nick, who was possibly wisely >hanging back and waiting. But really the car needs to be kinder to its >tyres and apparently more downforce. I think you're being a little over-generous to Mark (understandable enough as it's some time since the last Aussie DWC). I'm beginning to think he's not future DWC material at all, regrettably... David
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F2005: 0 of 2 28 April 2005 03:59:55 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:57:54 +1000, "Trevor" <trevor@trevor.com> wrote:>If anybody at Williams is under pressure it should be Sam Michaels, Not the>drivers!>The FW27 just isn't up to it as of yet. Plus there were rumours at San>Marino that Williams want Gascoyne.>I would say finishing 9th and 10th is pretty much where Williams are at the>moment, 5th/6th best team following:>Ferrari, Renault, Mclaren (bit of a unknown package), BAR, Toyota.>Get your act together Williams. What a joke... They've been living on FIA rules welfare for so long they don't how to work anymore.
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Jeff York 28 April 2005 18:16:23 [ permanent link ]
	"F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote: ..They've been living on FIA rules welfare for so long>they don't how to work anymore. PPOR -- Jeff. Ironbridge, Shrops, U.K. jeff@xjackfieldx.org (remove the x..x round jackfield for return address) and don't bother with ralf4, it's a spamtrap and I never go there.. ... "There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea.." Henry James, (1843 - 1916).
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F2005: 0 of 2 30 April 2005 17:56:49 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:16:23 +0100, Jeff York <ralf4@btinternet.com> wrote:>"F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote:>>..They've been living on FIA rules welfare for so long>>they don't how to work anymore.> PPOR ...Are you not paying attention?
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Jimmy 4 May 2005 02:42:46 [ permanent link ]
	Basically he's driving the wheels off his car !! "F2005: 0 of 2" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message news:btsq619hr4nslfr9ve92uqmpun58nb8vig@4ax.com...> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:23:32 +0100, Richard Miller> <richard@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote:> >>> ...How'd he do at Minardi?> >>Not as well as he did at Jaguar where he destroyed Pizzonia's reputation.> > Indeed, once again qualifying the car well above its true potential, but> >simply not able to keep it there during the race.> > Which seems to be what is happening again.> ...Just how's that, exactly?>
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CFster 9 May 2005 02:19:55 [ permanent link ]
	Has anybody kept track of how many chops this hack has executed this season? -CFster
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Ric Zito 9 May 2005 11:31:40 [ permanent link ]
	CFster <cf68@nospamcox.net> wrote: Has anybody kept track of how many chops this hack has executed this season? Too many - and most of them on-camera. I can't stand the guy. He chops and blocks like a cheap MS imitation on the track, and he's a complete Irvine gobshite off it. As you say : a hack. -- ric ric at pixelligence dot com
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Fritz Noble 9 May 2005 11:59:54 [ permanent link ]
	Yep i didn't regard him very much because of his poor starts, after some fine qualis, but that chop was disgraceful and potentially lethal. fwn
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John Smith 20 August 2005 18:41:48 [ permanent link ]
	What was Sato doing? Can't they figure out when to send the next driver yet or was Sato trying too hard to save fuel?
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Niall Wallace 20 August 2005 20:47:50 [ permanent link ]
	"Phil Newnham" <pnewnham@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3mouurF158o32U1@individual.net...> I don't mind the language, but this is a family sport, and if I had young > kids watching I would probably be a bit irritated that they'd allowed that > to go out. As someone else says, usually there's an iron grip on such > things, and usually it's Bernie's... Theres probably young kids out there who had probably just been told to get their fucking head out of the way the fucking telly. Ofcom will probably get about 20 complains of foul language. Niall
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Phil Newnham 20 August 2005 20:59:30 [ permanent link ]
	Tony Gartshore wrote:> In article <3mouurF158o32U1@individual.net>, pnewnham@yahoo.com says...> I don't mind the language, but this is a family sport, and if I had >>young kids watching I would probably be a bit irritated that they'd >>allowed that to go out.> Time to join the real world Phil.. Your kids will hear much worse in the school playground..> As was pointed out to me by Jaz many years ago. Well, I started watching F1 when I was 4 ;) and I'm not so old that I don't remember the playground! -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Revitorlose 20 August 2005 23:12:35 [ permanent link ]
	"John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:MiHNe.158531$0f.42624@tornado.texas.rr.com...> What was Sato doing? Can't they figure out when to send the next driver > yet or was Sato trying too hard to save fuel? looking at the rules Sato is allowed to be there (yep saving fuel) so long as he doesnt impeed another driver, the next car has to get out on a green light or they are penalized.
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Claude 21 August 2005 05:32:07 [ permanent link ]
	"Tony Gartshore" <him@there.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1d715fd9d4988fdf98971f@news.plus.net... Your kids will hear much worse in the school playground.. Yes, but there's a very important difference between what their peers say and what the 'authoritative' world of the telly says
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VileMerchant 3 August 2006 08:45:13 [ permanent link ]
	Jonathan Peirce wrote:> I don't get it. He did nothing at Jaguar, close to nothing at Williams, > and now he get's a seat in the world champion's car?> JP Yes but so does Fisico and he's certainly done nothing to warrant keeping the drive. F1 is a little short on champions right now.
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Guest 3 August 2006 13:12:52 [ permanent link ]
	"Jonathan Peirce" <president@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message news:2006080300194616807-president@whitehousegov...>I don't get it. He did nothing at Jaguar, close to nothing at Williams, and >now he get's a seat in the world champion's car?> JP A rough mental count suggests to me that Webber has lost perhaps as many as 20 points this year due to breakdowns in a very average performing car. Those lost points (plus points that would then have been taken back from other drivers who gained at his expense) would have him sitting in about 6th in the drivers standings. That would have made him the best of the rest behind the Two Ferraris, Renaults and McLarens at this stage of the season. That's a pretty good effort I think. Rosberg by comparison has done almost nothing but is hailed as then next coming...I know his lost points due to DNF (if any) would probably mean he would still be around 12th to 14th in the standings. Tim
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Guest 3 August 2006 17:44:22 [ permanent link ]
	"Jonathan Peirce" <president@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message news:2006080300194616807-president@whitehousegov...>I don't get it. He did nothing at Jaguar, close to nothing at Williams, and >now he get's a seat in the world champion's car?> JP> I like Webber.
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Mark 3 August 2006 18:38:03 [ permanent link ]
	"Jonathan Peirce" <president@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message news:2006080300194616807-president@whitehousegov...>I don't get it. He did nothing at Jaguar, close to nothing at Williams, and >now he get's a seat in the world champion's car?> JP> One of the dumbest posts. Fyi, a driver is only as good as his car. If the car is slow and unreliable, he can't win races - especially in this day and age where reliability is so high. Otoh, the best way to judge a driver's worth - rather than a car's - is to look at the driver's performance relative to their teammate. Webber has been exceptional in terms of outgunning all of his teammates with the possible exception of Heidfeld.
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