08/04/05> [...]> This perceived lack of support manifested itself when Dennis ordered> Coulthard to let Hakkinen pass him to take grands prix victories at> Jerez in 1997 and again at Melbourne in 1998.>

"I couldn't quite comprehend what had just happened. The realization> that it had been so normal-seeming for Ron to require me to move over> for Mika... was far from normal-seeming to me. It kind of shattered my> confidence, in fact."> [...]>

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Doesn't the Cocksucking British Imbecile Party line deny this ever> happened?

In article <52ah5110v0h1uua241­60h1pmdi7iff52rl@4ax­.com>, >Ron.Dennis@LyingCh­eatingSwine.com says...>> Planet-F1.com>> DC blames Dennis for his McLaren woe>>

No - they just portrayed it as DC volunteering to do it, because it >suits their agenda.

08/04/05> [...]> This perceived lack of support manifested itself when Dennis ordered> Coulthard to let Hakkinen pass him to take grands prix victories at> Jerez in 1997 and again at Melbourne in 1998.

Which begs the question, why has DC suddenly changed his story? Is he just >having a dig at Ron Dennis and trying to blame him for his misfortune? This >either means he was lying when he claimed it was an agreement between >himself and Hakkinen, or he is lying now when he says it was team orders. >Either way, DC is making himself look bad, which is something of a shame >given his recent form.>

'....That Never Happened...'>

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"Da Frank" <fajp@ooptushome.co­m.au> wrote in message >news:mf9j519e2uj5p­8aqqio7s9j0803imnv8a­e@4ax.com...>> He didn't complain after Melbourne, because he entered the agreement.>>

I know, thats what is causing the confusion. He didn't complain about >Melbourne at the time, but he is complaining about it now. Unless planet-f1 >have misquoted the F1-racing interview. Or unless F1-racing have misquoted >Coulthard.>

Has anybody seen the actual text of the F1-racing interview?>

Coulthard already wasn't happy about this in '98. Melbourne was> indeed an agreement between the drivers and the team, but Jerez> wasn't. He was told to let Mika go and he made his feelings heard> about it after that race. > http://www.fosagold­.org/webf1/archives9­8/march9.html>

He didn't complain after Melbourne, because he entered the agreement.

I've posted this before Frank, but DC (a couple of years ago I think) >said he was contractually obliged to let Mika past in Melbourne, and >that he didn't want to.>

The difference between McLaren and Ferrari is that McLaren likely do it >less frequently, but they are less honest about it.>

S'truth!>

Indeed: Something foaming piece of imbecile filth that calls itself> "The Wizard", with no trace of irony at all, just said so.>

[Alarums]>

The Official RASF1 List of Things Stupid People Claim Never Happened> But Which David Coulthard Unambiguously Admits Doing:>

§ Following orders and slowing in the rain at Spa.>

§ Following orders, and colluding with Williams, and letting "Mika"> through for "Mika's" first win at Jerez.>

§ Following orders and letting "Mika" through at Melbourne.>

Planet-F1.com> DC blames Dennis for his McLaren woe>

08/04/05> [...]> This perceived lack of support manifested itself when Dennis ordered> Coulthard to let Hakkinen pass him to take grands prix victories at> Jerez in 1997 and again at Melbourne in 1998.

Now McLaren DID order DC to make way for MH, but this was not for the> lead. DC's after race comments are enlightening..."In the first part of> the race Mika was definitely quicker than I was, but after the first> and second set of pit stops we were very evenly matched. However, I> couldn't make any headway into the Jordan as the team decided that we> should let Mika through and let him try - so I let him past. You have> to have the team's interests at heart even if the racer in me wanted> the victory myself."

So some points to note:> 1) DC was not in front when he was ordered to give way to Mika. In fact> he wasn't even behind everybody bar the Williams and the Ferrari.

2) DC was stuck behind a slower car and couldn't get past. The team> told him to let Mika have a try. That's not that unusual an order.

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 00:29:32 +0100, "bootboy"><spamgoes­tohere@hotmail.com> wrote:>

I think he is turning into something nasty. He is a little too verbal>all of a sudden, perhaps because he is doing well in his current car>and wants to put the blame on McLaren for his previous failings.>He shouldn't of course forget, there was a time when he was doing>these sort of 'almost there' results in the Mac too, it's the next>step that was always the problem for him.

Ah yes, its all come flooding back to me now. There was some sort of >miscommunication between Mika and his race engineer wasn't there? Mika came >in to make a pit stop, the team weren't expecting him so he ended up driving >through the pit lane without stopping. Presumably Ron Dennis's reasoning >thereafter was that the team had caused Mika to lose the lead therefore they >invoked team orders to give him back the lead.>

I still reckon DC has waited a bit too long to start complaining about it >now.

No - they just portrayed it as DC volunteering to do it, because it> suits their agenda.>

-- > CatharticF1>

"Memory is a stranger,> History is for fools"

IIRC,

DC and MH made an agreement before the start of Melbourne 1998 that >whoever got to the 1st corner after the start would finish ahead of the >other. Then McLaren's pit crew messed up MH's last stop, putting him back >on track behind DC, and then the McLaren pit wall told DC to move over and >honor his agreement. In Jerez, 1997, if memory serves, MH was given the nod >by Dennis to claim his maiden GP, and DC, having already won, not only >didn't object but was supportive about the whole thing. Leading me to >believe that these quotes attributed to DC are bs or DC is all of a sudden >full of bs.

He didn't win races in a McLaren, then? Funny, I thought he did...>

Not enough of them to be considered a number one at that team at any>time. Don't get me wrong, i did have a long fight here with someone>before, where i stated that DC's achievements were quite impressive,>but he never did impress enough to look like a future champ..

A radical approach to solving the problem of team orders would be to> eliminate the seperate Drivers and Manufacturers championships, and> instead have a "Team" championship. It would be interesting to see how> that would change team tactics regarding drivers and the like. I would> guess that in-season driver changes would increase, and a lot of the> 1st and 2nd driver mentality would disappear. Has this ever been> proposed before?