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Re: Question about Ayrton Senna
Geoff May 28 March 2005 23:20:20
	HK wrote:> How many times Senna started from the first row?> (Not from the first place, but from the first row?) http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/glibs/drvrstat.php?drvr=731&view=qrow&disp=1 The above link shows all first row starts by Senna, (87 in total). Scroll down a bit to see which races. MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 22nd March, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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Hk 28 March 2005 22:34:45 [ permanent link ]
	How many times Senna started from the first row? (Not from the first place, but from the first row?)
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F2004M: 0 of 2 29 March 2005 17:27:51 [ permanent link ]
	Great link Geoff, thanks! Ever since planetf1 ditched their archived section I've been looking for a replacement..
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Da Frank 30 March 2005 03:28:09 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:55:30 -0500, "Jago" <jago[remove]@istop.com> wrote: about who would be sitting in the other seat. On top of that, Senna was >hugely helpful and generous to team mates, except Prost, in giving car setup >and general racing advice. I have never heard anything similar to this >attributed to Schumacher.> That's a given, you just have to read Johhny Herbert's notes on that on his website. http://www.johnnyherbert.co.uk/biog/benetton.shtml "I never had a problem with Michael - it was the team. He'd ask to stay in the car for another two days at a test and they'd say, 'Okay Michael, no problem'. At the four day pre-Silverstone test in 1995, when I went on to win the race, I only did half a day's testing. I think he'd had enough on the final afternoon, so I was allowed in. "The trouble all started after I qualified fourth in the first race in Brazil. Then we went on to Argentina, where I was quicker than him in the first session. That night he told the team that he didn't want me to see his data any more. The next morning he came over to me and said, 'I'm sure you accept you'll have secrets from me and I'll have some from you so you'll understand if I don't show you my data in future'. But, of course, he still had access to all of my data. What could I do about it? Nothing. I had no say in the matter." -- Regards, Frank
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John Briggs 30 March 2005 16:14:05 [ permanent link ]
	Bob Dubery wrote:> CloseTheWindow wrote:> Schumacher has only had contract chumps as teammates.> Au contraire, Schumacher has had pretty strong teammates most of the> time.> De Cesaris for one race, then Piquet, Brundle, Patrese, Lehto,> Verstappen, Herbert, Irvine and Barrichello. I wouldn't call most of> those chumps. Hmm. What would you call De Cesaris, Lehto and Verstappen? Herbert never fulfilled his potential (to be the next David Coulthard?), and Brundle never did win a race. I'm not quite sure how history will judge Patrese, Irvine and Barrichello. Piquet was a very fine (if temperamental) driver - but was that the highlight of his career? -- John Briggs
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Emma 30 March 2005 17:41:17 [ permanent link ]
	John Briggs <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote:>Hmm. What would you call De Cesaris, A moose Lehto One of the best sportscar drivers ever and Verstappen? Da Boss! Herbert never>fulfilled his potential (to be the next David Coulthard?), I think you'll find that Johnny came before DC so technically he couldn't be the next DC. and Brundle never>did win a race. He won plenty of races, just not a Grand Prix. I'm not quite sure how history will judge Patrese, Irvine>and Barrichello. The best back-up guys in F1. Piquet was a very fine (if temperamental) driver - but was>that the highlight of his career? No, wearing the sooty puppet was the highlight. -- Emma - The Chocolate Monster http://www.chocmonster.rules.it http://www.altgallery.shows.it
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John Briggs 30 March 2005 18:22:48 [ permanent link ]
	Emma wrote:> Herbert never>> fulfilled his potential (to be the next David Coulthard?),> I think you'll find that Johnny came before DC so technically he> couldn't be the next DC. Well, yes, I knew that - but the point remains valid because 1995 was his only decent year (because Schumacher was his team-mate rather than despite it?), and yet he still got fewer points than Coulthard! (And points mean...?) -- John Briggs
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Emma 30 March 2005 23:39:48 [ permanent link ]
	Bob Dubery <megapode@gmail.com> writes>Lehto was most certainly not a chump. He was a coming man when he got>signed for Benetton, having put in some strong performances for>Scuderia Italia and Sauber. He promptly had a huge crash from which he Also didn't help having another crash at Imola that year and loosing one of his best friends when Roland Ratzenberger died. and his career never seemed to fully recover. His F1 career maybe but he has gone on to win many sportscar races like Le Mans and Sebring which are even tougher on a driver's body than a GP. -- Emma - The Chocolate Monster http://www.chocmonster.rules.it http://www.altgallery.shows.it
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CloseTheWindow 31 March 2005 01:46:29 [ permanent link ]
	"Bob Dubery" <megapode@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1112164687.847984.109930@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Jago wrote:> > On top of that, Senna was> > hugely helpful and generous to team mates, except Prost, in giving> car setup> > and general racing advice. I have never heard anything similar to> this> > attributed to Schumacher.> I've not heard much similar said about Senna either. When he first> arrived at McLaren he wasn't in a position to get immediately uppity> with or about Prost as Prost had the record and reputation that Ayrton> didn't. And Prost aside he's usually been clearly faster than his> teammates - so why should he care?> I don't know why so much is made of Schumacher's position of privilege> within Ferrari. When Berger partnered Senna at McLaren preference was> always given to Senna. Bull, Berger says in his book 'the huuman face of f1' that he the same treatment as Senna at McLaren, all the testing he wanted and equal equipment. By 1992 he accepted Senna was the faster driver. He also talks about why he left Ferrari in 1996 becuase he would not accept to be treated as a #2 to Schumacher and that he didn't have any of that crap at McLaren.
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F2004: 15 of 18*** 1 April 2005 17:12:12 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:56:22 -0500, "Jago" <jago[remove]@istop.com> wrote:>> I don't know why so much is made of Schumacher's position of privilege>> within Ferrari.> It's to do with the fact that third party investors have enshrined his >preferential treatment in contractual ink. Yeah... That's a very funny way of spelling 'jingoistic muckrakers have institutionalized falsehoods through their reason-numbing repetition of source-less fabrications'.
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CloseTheWindow 1 April 2005 21:29:48 [ permanent link ]
	"F2004: 15 of 18·*" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message news:r1iq41lfcfd5pkoedaq4se88ci28hmsjha@4ax.com...> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:56:22 -0500, "Jago" <jago[remove]@istop.com>> wrote:> >> I don't know why so much is made of Schumacher's position of privilege> >> within Ferrari.> > It's to do with the fact that third party investors have enshrined his> >preferential treatment in contractual ink.> Yeah... That's a very funny way of spelling 'jingoistic muckrakers> have institutionalized falsehoods through their reason-numbing> repetition of source-less fabrications'. Two words, Willi Webber(mr 20%)
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F2004: 15 of 18В·* 1 April 2005 23:42:27 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:29:48 +0100, "CloseTheWindow" <CloseTheWindow@CloseTheWindowVonG.com> wrote:>"F2004: 15 of 18В·*" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in message>news:r1iq41lfcfd5pkoedaq4se88ci28hmsjha@4ax.com...>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:56:22 -0500, "Jago" <jago[remove]@istop.com>>> wrote:>> >> I don't know why so much is made of Schumacher's position of privilege>> >> within Ferrari.>> > It's to do with the fact that third party investors have enshrined his>> >preferential treatment in contractual ink.>> Yeah... That's a very funny way of spelling 'jingoistic muckrakers>> have institutionalized falsehoods through their reason-numbing>> repetition of source-less fabrications'.> Two words, Willi Webber(mr 20%) ...Five words: You are a fucking imbecile.
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David Melville 4 April 2005 09:44:54 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:12:12 GMT, "F2004: 15 of 18В·*" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:56:22 -0500, "Jago" <jago[remove]@istop.com>>wrote:>>> I don't know why so much is made of Schumacher's position of privilege>>> within Ferrari.>> It's to do with the fact that third party investors have enshrined his >>preferential treatment in contractual ink. > Yeah... That's a very funny way of spelling 'jingoistic muckrakers>have institutionalized falsehoods through their reason-numbing>repetition of source-less fabrications'. you're a fucking idiot. I can't handle any more of your twatty-mouthed rantings. You will find it lonely in my killfile, but I really think it is the best place for you.
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Paul-B 4 April 2005 12:58:11 [ permanent link ]
	David Melville wrote: You will find it lonely in my killfile, but I really think it is the> best place for you. <applauds> -- Paul-B The original and the best
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The Wizard 5 April 2005 02:25:17 [ permanent link ]
	"David Melville" <spamaway@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:n0l15192j6l36e61vgeqpal00k919ng8lt@4ax.com...> On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:12:12 GMT, "F2004: 15 of 18·*"> <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote:> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:56:22 -0500, "Jago" <jago[remove]@istop.com>>>wrote:>>>> I don't know why so much is made of Schumacher's position of privilege>>>> within Ferrari.>>> It's to do with the fact that third party investors have enshrined his>>>preferential treatment in contractual ink.>> Yeah... That's a very funny way of spelling 'jingoistic muckrakers>>have institutionalized falsehoods through their reason-numbing>>repetition of source-less fabrications'.> you're a fucking idiot. I can't handle any more of your twatty-mouthed> rantings.> You will find it lonely in my killfile, but I really think it is the> best place for you. Oh dear David, It took you so long to find him out
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David Melville 6 April 2005 08:21:39 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:25:17 GMT, "The Wizard" <the_wiz@nospamhere.com> wrote: "David Melville" <spamaway@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message >news:n0l15192j6l36e61vgeqpal00k919ng8lt@4ax.com...>> On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:12:12 GMT, "F2004: 15 of 18В·*">> <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote:>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:56:22 -0500, "Jago" <jago[remove]@istop.com>>>>wrote:>>>>> I don't know why so much is made of Schumacher's position of privilege>>>>> within Ferrari.>>>> It's to do with the fact that third party investors have enshrined his>>>>preferential treatment in contractual ink.>>> Yeah... That's a very funny way of spelling 'jingoistic muckrakers>>>have institutionalized falsehoods through their reason-numbing>>>repetition of source-less fabrications'.>> you're a fucking idiot. I can't handle any more of your twatty-mouthed>> rantings.>> You will find it lonely in my killfile, but I really think it is the>> best place for you.> Oh dear David, It took you so long to find him out > On the contrary. I like to think I give evreybody an even hearing, but I find, on my return here after quite an absence, to use T.S. Eliot's phrase, the same "worn out common song". D.
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