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Rubens gets his first chance to driver the F2005
Brian Lawrence 22 March 2005 22:09:07
	He managed 95 laps at Mugello. Best lap 1'21.435 Lap record is 1'18.704 set by Rubens in the F2004 last February. They haven't tested the F2004M at Mugello at all, so there is no direct comparison. Michael is scheduled to have his first test in the new car tomorrow. -- Brian Lawrence Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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Geoff May 22 March 2005 22:10:40 [ permanent link ]
	Brian Lawrence wrote:> He managed 95 laps at Mugello.> Best lap 1'21.435> Lap record is 1'18.704 set by Rubens in the F2004 last February.> They haven't tested the F2004M at Mugello at all, so there is no direct> comparison.> Michael is scheduled to have his first test in the new car tomorrow. Any rumours/comments about the chance of the car being used in Bahrain? MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 22nd March, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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Brian Lawrence 22 March 2005 22:29:53 [ permanent link ]
	"Geoff May" <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote: Brian Lawrence wrote:>> He managed 95 laps at Mugello.>> Best lap 1'21.435>> Lap record is 1'18.704 set by Rubens in the F2004 last February.>> They haven't tested the F2004M at Mugello at all, so there is no direct>> comparison.>> Michael is scheduled to have his first test in the new car tomorrow.> Any rumours/comments about the chance of the car being used in Bahrain? I think Ross Brawn said that they need to decide tomorrow after MS has a go, or at the latest Thursday morning. They would need that much time to organise everything for a Bahrain debut. My guess would be that they won't risk it for Bahrain which means they can't debut it in Imola without suffering a 10-place grid penalty, 'cos it counts as an engine change. Theoretically they could let Rubens have it for Bahrain since he can have a "free" change, and it may be that they had that in mind when they let him have first go today. It would go against "policy" though, wouldn't it? -- Brian
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Ian Dalziel 22 March 2005 22:48:14 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:29:53 -0000, "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn.com> wrote: Theoretically they could let Rubens have it for Bahrain since he can have>a "free" change, and it may be that they had that in mind when they let>him have first go today. It would go against "policy" though, wouldn't it? Which Ferrari driver has more points at the moment? -- Ian
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Captain 22 March 2005 22:50:09 [ permanent link ]
	I think Ross Brawn said that they need to decide tomorrow after MS has a> go, or at the latest Thursday morning. They would need that much time to> organise everything for a Bahrain debut. My guess would be that they won't> risk it for Bahrain which means they can't debut it in Imola without suffering> a 10-place grid penalty, 'cos it counts as an engine change.> Theoretically they could let Rubens have it for Bahrain since he can have> a "free" change, and it may be that they had that in mind when they let> him have first go today. It would go against "policy" though, wouldn't it?> If Bahrain turns out like Malaysia, all Ferrari has to do is retire one or both cars to get the free engine change, and use the F2005 in Imola. It won't matter which car they use in Bahrain. I still think that Ferrari's "late launch" has less to do with reliability than it does with understanding the race setup of the car. David Coulthard made it clear in Oz that Red Bull had not run a single race simulation with the new car, and that they weren't sure how it would behave. Clearly Ferrari did not have this problem, do you guys think with a new car that Rubens' second place would have been as likely? I think that Ferrari might just be orchestrating a "first win" for the F2005 in Imola, kind of a "guess who's back!" moment, but maybe I'm reading too much into things! --captain
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Geoff May 22 March 2005 22:59:24 [ permanent link ]
	Brian Lawrence wrote:> "Geoff May" <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote:> Brian Lawrence wrote:>> He managed 95 laps at Mugello.>>> Best lap 1'21.435>>> Lap record is 1'18.704 set by Rubens in the F2004 last February.>>> They haven't tested the F2004M at Mugello at all, so there is no direct>>>comparison.>>> Michael is scheduled to have his first test in the new car tomorrow.>> Any rumours/comments about the chance of the car being used in Bahrain?> I think Ross Brawn said that they need to decide tomorrow after MS has a> go, or at the latest Thursday morning. They would need that much time to> organise everything for a Bahrain debut. My guess would be that they won't> risk it for Bahrain which means they can't debut it in Imola without suffering> a 10-place grid penalty, 'cos it counts as an engine change.> Theoretically they could let Rubens have it for Bahrain since he can have> a "free" change, and it may be that they had that in mind when they let> him have first go today. It would go against "policy" though, wouldn't it? Yeah, 'cepting that RB#2 has an 6 point advantage over MS and, since they've been together at Ferrari, this is the first time RB#2 was ahead in points. (RB#2 and MS were equal points after the 2003 Malaysia and Brazil GPs). Will be interesting to see what they do... Talking about that, I noticed that I have the 054 engine for Ferrari and I think that is wrong. That post that talks about the bhp reckons the Ferrari engine is "053M". Do you know whether it's a "real" 053 or the "modified 053" or what? MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 22nd March, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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BigBird 22 March 2005 23:11:27 [ permanent link ]
	"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn.com> wrote in message news:3ab6h0F68knqqU1@individual.net...> "Geoff May" <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote:> Brian Lawrence wrote:>>> He managed 95 laps at Mugello.>>> Best lap 1'21.435>>> Lap record is 1'18.704 set by Rubens in the F2004 last February.>>> They haven't tested the F2004M at Mugello at all, so there is no direct>>> comparison.>>> Michael is scheduled to have his first test in the new car tomorrow.>> Any rumours/comments about the chance of the car being used in Bahrain?> I think Ross Brawn said that they need to decide tomorrow after MS has a> go, or at the latest Thursday morning. They would need that much time to> organise everything for a Bahrain debut. My guess would be that they won't> risk it for Bahrain which means they can't debut it in Imola without > suffering> a 10-place grid penalty, 'cos it counts as an engine change.> Theoretically they could let Rubens have it for Bahrain since he can have> a "free" change, and it may be that they had that in mind when they let> him have first go today. It would go against "policy" though, wouldn't it?> Aren't they both get new engines in Bahrain. The F2004M has been about 2 seconds a lap slower than the F2004 in the first two races. They may need to get that down to half a second to run at the front.
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Brian Lawrence 22 March 2005 23:11:56 [ permanent link ]
	"Geoff May" <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote: Will be interesting to see what they do...> Talking about that, I noticed that I have the 054 engine for Ferrari and I think that is wrong. > That post that talks about the bhp reckons the Ferrari engine is "053M". Do you know whether it's > a "real" 053 or the "modified 053" or what? Well it must be an 053, 'cos the 055 won't fit the F2004M. I guess it's been detuned to meet the two-race requirement. I assume that the 054 was the intended 2005 engine but it was only designed for a one-race requirement? MfG, Brian
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Da Frank 22 March 2005 23:49:21 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:50:09 -0500, captain <mydiga-newsREM@VEyahoo.ca> wrote: Theoretically they could let Rubens have it for Bahrain since he can have>> a "free" change, and it may be that they had that in mind when they let>> him have first go today. It would go against "policy" though, wouldn't it?> If Bahrain turns out like Malaysia, all Ferrari has to do is retire one >or both cars to get the free engine change, and use the F2005 in Imola. > It won't matter which car they use in Bahrain.> The FIA closed that loophole. You must retire due to a fault or accident. Not sure if this means it has to be an engine related or just any fault ? Mind you, it may even be worth for Ferrari to feed a self destruct code into the engine if MS doesn't do well. I still think that Ferrari's "late launch" has less to do with >reliability than it does with understanding the race setup of the car. >David Coulthard made it clear in Oz that Red Bull had not run a single >race simulation with the new car, and that they weren't sure how it >would behave.> But, but, wasn't the 2005 already driven by their test drivers in Spain ? I thought it was.. hm. Clearly Ferrari did not have this problem, do you guys think with a new >car that Rubens' second place would have been as likely?>I think that Ferrari might just be orchestrating a "first win" for the >F2005 in Imola, kind of a "guess who's back!" moment, but maybe I'm >reading too much into things!> Not like their mentaility. This is the team that justified Austria '02 by saying that until it's won, all points count. I'd be surprised if they stuffed around just to make a grand entrance, while losing potentially 30-60 points. -- Regards, Frank
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Captain 23 March 2005 00:25:09 [ permanent link ]
	Da Frank wrote:> Not like their mentaility. This is the team that justified Austria '02> by saying that until it's won, all points count. I'd be surprised if> they stuffed around just to make a grand entrance, while losing> potentially 30-60 points. > Agreed, but their stated intention at the start of the season was to bring the F2005 to Spain (race number 5). However 2 things have happened since then that were not entirely predictable (1: strange Oz GP which perhaps they rightly expected to win, 2: their terrible performance at Malaysia, I don't think they expected that.) All that being said, if the tire situation is unchanged, why bring the F2005 out just to lose on its debut. A decisive 1-2 at Imola would be greater psychologically, and lets not forget the impact on the "show". Either way, for Ferrari fans this will be a real nail-biter season. I'm looking forward to it.... --captain
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Jago 23 March 2005 03:21:07 [ permanent link ]
	"Geoff May" <BeateUndGeoff@t-online.de> wrote in message news:d1pn31$dp2$02$1@news.t-online.com...> Brian Lawrence wrote:>> He managed 95 laps at Mugello.>> Best lap 1'21.435>> Lap record is 1'18.704 set by Rubens in the F2004 last February.>> They haven't tested the F2004M at Mugello at all, so there is no direct>> comparison.>> Michael is scheduled to have his first test in the new car tomorrow.> Any rumours/comments about the chance of the car being used in Bahrain?> Geoff.> -- > Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/> Update: 22nd March, 2005> USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB Doubtful. New designs need a lot more testing than that. Jago
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John Smith 23 March 2005 03:30:42 [ permanent link ]
	What do they have to loose besides more points? I bet they will be using the new car next week!
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Brian Lawrence 23 March 2005 14:06:39 [ permanent link ]
	"Da Frank" <fajp@ooptushome.com.au> wrote: [snip] But, but, wasn't the 2005 already driven by their test drivers in> Spain ? I thought it was.. hm. The F2005 was first seen at Mugello on March 1st/2nd (Luca Badoer). Then Andrea Bertolini did some laps at Varano 5/6 March. Luca took it to Jerez (in Portugal) on March 10/11. It was back at Fiorano on March 15/16 (Badoer) and then at Varano on March 17/18 (also Badoer). Yesterday it was Rubens' turn at Mugello and Michael is due to drive today. It's best lap at each circuit was F2004M Best F2004 Best ==================================================================== Mugello 1'19.675 Badoer March 18 - - Varano ??? Bertolini March 5/6 ??? ??? Jerez 1'18.116 Badoer March 10 1'16.650 1'16.786 Fiorano 57.733 Badoer March 16 1'04.287 57.594 All times are from this year (since Nov 2004). Overall records are Mugello 1'18.704 Barrichello 09 Feb 04 F2004 Varano no times published? Jerez 1'16.298 Montagny 14 Oct 04 Renault R24 Fiorano 55.599 Schumacher 01 Feb 04 F2004 MS did a 1'15.629 at Jerez last September (F2004), but that was on a slightly different track (5 meters longer). -- Brian Lawrence Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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Da Frank 23 March 2005 14:39:20 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:06:39 -0000, "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceREMTHIS@msn.com> wrote: But, but, wasn't the 2005 already driven by their test drivers in>> Spain ? I thought it was.. hm.> The F2005 was first seen at Mugello on March 1st/2nd (Luca Badoer).>Then Andrea Bertolini did some laps at Varano 5/6 March.>Luca took it to Jerez (in Portugal) on March 10/11.>It was back at Fiorano on March 15/16 (Badoer) and then at Varano on>March 17/18 (also Badoer).> Yesterday it was Rubens' turn at Mugello and Michael is due to drive>today.> It's best lap at each circuit was> F2004M Best F2004 Best>====================================================================>Mugello 1'19.675 Badoer March 18 - ->Varano ??? Bertolini March 5/6 ??? ???>Jerez 1'18.116 Badoer March 10 1'16.650 1'16.786>Fiorano 57.733 Badoer March 16 1'04.287 57.594 <snip>> Thanks Brian. We can always count on you. -- Regards, Frank
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Jago 24 March 2005 05:09:24 [ permanent link ]
	"John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:CU10e.27390$Ux.218@tornado.texas.rr.com...> What do they have to loose besides more points? I bet they will be using > the new car next week!> Only time will tell if they race it in Bahrain. Since Ferrari have no regard for the other teams mutual test ban, they've got the opportunity to continue testing the F2005 to smooth out bugs instead of throwing it off the deep end in the last of two super hot track temperature environments for probably little benefit since Bridgestone doesn't have an answer in these conditions to Michelin yet. The real brawl will take place in Europe and NA. I'd be surprised if they switched to the F2005 in Bahrain. Jago
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