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If Williams were thinking straight...
Ric Zito 20 March 2005 22:12:40
	Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a Minardi". -- ric ric at pixelligence dot com
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Toolish 20 March 2005 23:35:25 [ permanent link ]
	right on!
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FooAtari 21 March 2005 01:03:05 [ permanent link ]
	ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote in news:1gtql9m.x5kvzi17md7ayN% ADDRESS@IN.SIG: Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a> Minardi". Eh? Its his first season in a decent car, he did pretty well with the Jaguar, bit early to judge isnt it? -- Im too young for this s**t! Live GamerTag - FooAtari My games collection and Live games: http://www.ajrparkst.f2s.com/allie/index.htm www.revs.tv - Motorsport Internet TV.
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Ian Dalziel 21 March 2005 02:24:47 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:03:05 +0000 (UTC), FooAtari <alistair_fraser81REMOVE@THISyahoo.co.uk> wrote: ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote in news:1gtql9m.x5kvzi17md7ayN%>ADDRESS@IN.SIG:> Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a>> Minardi".> Eh? Its his first season in a decent car, he did pretty well with the >Jaguar, bit early to judge isnt it? So what was his best finish in the Jaguar? -- Ian
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Paul-B 21 March 2005 02:47:01 [ permanent link ]
	FooAtari wrote: ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote in news:1gtql9m.x5kvzi17md7ayN%> ADDRESS@IN.SIG:> Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a> > Minardi".> Eh? Its his first season in a decent car, he did pretty well with the > Jaguar, bit early to judge isnt it? Webber's overrrated. Been so since Jaguar (in which he didn't actually shine, especially when you look at DC's performance in what is essentially the same car). -- Paul-B The original and the best
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John Smith 21 March 2005 02:49:00 [ permanent link ]
	This isnt Fiat we are talking about, both drivers get equal equipment..
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Vile Merchant 21 March 2005 03:15:15 [ permanent link ]
	"Paul-B" <null@null.invalid> wrote in message news:3a6cr5F65ffucU8@individual.net...> FooAtari wrote:> ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote in news:1gtql9m.x5kvzi17md7ayN%> > ADDRESS@IN.SIG:> > Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a> > > Minardi".> > Eh? Its his first season in a decent car, he did pretty well with the> > Jaguar, bit early to judge isnt it?> Webber's overrrated. Been so since Jaguar (in which he didn't actually> shine, especially when you look at DC's performance in what is> essentially the same car). It's a whole new car along with a significant horsepower increase over last year.
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Paul-B 21 March 2005 03:17:33 [ permanent link ]
	Vile Merchant wrote: "Paul-B" <null@null.invalid> wrote in message> news:3a6cr5F65ffucU8@individual.net...> > FooAtari wrote:> > ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote in news:1gtql9m.x5kvzi17md7ayN%> > > ADDRESS@IN.SIG:> > > Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a> > > > Minardi".> > > Eh? Its his first season in a decent car, he did pretty well with> > > the Jaguar, bit early to judge isnt it?> > Webber's overrrated. Been so since Jaguar (in which he didn't> > actually shine, especially when you look at DC's performance in> > what is essentially the same car).> It's a whole new car along with a significant horsepower increase> over last year. Hardly a whole new car, any more than any of the others on the grid. And Webber is, IMO, grossly overrated... however, I'm happy to let this season show one way or the other. -- Paul-B The original and the best
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PrawnMatic 21 March 2005 03:59:35 [ permanent link ]
	Paul-B wrote:> Vile Merchant wrote:> "Paul-B" <null@null.invalid> wrote in message> > news:3a6cr5F65ffucU8@individual.net...> > > FooAtari wrote:> > > ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote in news:1gtql9m.x5kvzi17md7ayN%> > > > ADDRESS@IN.SIG:> > > > Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in Minardi".> > > > Eh? Its his first season in a decent car, he did pretty well with> > > > the Jaguar, bit early to judge isnt it?> > > Webber's overrrated. Been so since Jaguar (in which he didn't> > > actually shine, especially when you look at DC's performance in> > > what is essentially the same car).> > It's a whole new car along with a significant horsepower increase> > over last year.> Hardly a whole new car, any more than any of the others on the grid.> And Webber is, IMO, grossly overrated... however, I'm happy to let this> season show one way or the other.> --> Paul-B> The original and the best Last year Australia's own Roy and H.G. had dubbed Webber "The DNF Maestro" for his performances last year. No bones about it, the car was a bucket - the only thing of note being that Webber out qualified and outperformed his partner Klein at every race. I think you could say his best result was putting the Jag on P2 at the Grid in Malaysia last year. But I'm with you, I'm just glad he's in a decent car and can have the chance to prove himself, one way or the other.
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Wayne Stuart 21 March 2005 04:14:08 [ permanent link ]
	ric zito <ADDRESS@IN.SIG> wrote: Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a> Minardi". Do Williams have a "lead driver" policy? In what way? -- This message was brought to you by Wayne Stuart - Have a nice day!
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Trevor Randall 21 March 2005 05:20:29 [ permanent link ]
	So you know more then people in the game do you??? Webber deserves all the hype he gets. "ric zito" <ADDRESS@IN.SIG> wrote in message news:1gtql9m.x5kvzi17md7ayN%ADDRESS@IN.SIG...> Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a> Minardi".> -- > ric> ric at pixelligence dot com
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CatharticF1 21 March 2005 07:45:06 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1gtql9m.x5kvzi17md7ayN%ADDRESS@IN.SIG>, ADDRESS@IN.SIG says...> Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a> Minardi". Now that's just silly. Aside from Fisi drifting into him, when has NH outperformed Webber, Ric? I expect you're just stirring the pot. (I am a fan of Nick's and am very happy he got the drive.) -- CatharticF1 "Memory is a stranger, History is for fools"
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Da Frank 21 March 2005 07:47:19 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:12:40 +0100, ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote: Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a>Minardi".> There is no lead driver at Williams, Ric. It's just a coincidence that Webber did indeed lead Heidfeld in both races so far.. -- Regards, Frank
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Ian Dalziel 21 March 2005 15:35:56 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:47:19 +1100, fajp@ooptushome.com.au (Da Frank) wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:12:40 +0100, ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote:> Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a>>Minardi".>> There is no lead driver at Williams, Ric. It's just a coincidence that>Webber did indeed lead Heidfeld in both races so far.. Probably down to a favourable qualifying slot both times, I suspect. Next time should be interesting. -- Ian
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Falcon Freak 21 March 2005 15:58:14 [ permanent link ]
	"ric zito" <ADDRESS@IN.SIG> wrote in message news:1gtql9m.x5kvzi17md7ayN%ADDRESS@IN.SIG...> Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a> Minardi".> -- > ric> ric at pixelligence dot com Williams does not have team orders. FF
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Falcon Freak 21 March 2005 16:00:17 [ permanent link ]
	"toolish" <willemsstraat4@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1111347649.624799@seven.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be...> right on!> Plus on top of that Webber destroyed Pizzonia's reputation in 2003. Before that season Pizzonia was highly regarded and was tipped by many to be the more successful driver of the two. FF
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BigBird 21 March 2005 19:07:39 [ permanent link ]
	"Falcon Freak" <not@supplied.com> wrote in message news:qFy%d.6068$C7.2044@news-server.bigpond.net.au...> "ric zito" <ADDRESS@IN.SIG> wrote in message > news:1gtql9m.x5kvzi17md7ayN%ADDRESS@IN.SIG...>> Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a>> Minardi".>> -- >> ric>> ric at pixelligence dot com> Williams does not have team orders.> No-one has team orders, it's official.
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Hans Vigen 21 March 2005 20:42:29 [ permanent link ]
	"ric zito" <ADDRESS@IN.SIG> skrev i melding news:1gtql9m.x5kvzi17md7ayN%ADDRESS@IN.SIG...> Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a> Minardi".> -- Williams, lead driver? Hans
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Geoff May 21 March 2005 21:01:49 [ permanent link ]
	Hans Vigen wrote:> "ric zito" <ADDRESS@IN.SIG> skrev i melding > news:1gtql9m.x5kvzi17md7ayN%ADDRESS@IN.SIG...> Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a>>Minardi".> Williams, lead driver? Perhaps it's a reference to the supposed excessive weight of JPM last year? I mean, lead is rather heavy... MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 20th March, 2005 USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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Bumble Bee Boy 2 21 March 2005 22:26:07 [ permanent link ]
	"Wayne Stuart" <me4@privacy.net> wrote in message news:1gtqz9d.1lsr7gbh6eo9rN%me4@privacy.net...> ric zito <ADDRESS@IN.SIG> wrote:> Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a>> Minardi".> Do Williams have a "lead driver" policy? In what way? Rumour has it Nick is on a race-by-race contract... And Nick had to do the shoot-out thing against Pizza-boy to get his drive... So yeah, I'd say Webber is at least designated 'team-leader' if nothing else... Nick seems to be there as a stop gap, until Button shows up... Shame really, as Nick is looking more promising than Webber, IMO. -- > This message was brought to you by Wayne Stuart - Have a nice day! Bumble
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Wayne Stuart 21 March 2005 23:44:01 [ permanent link ]
	Bumble Bee Boy 2 <bumble@it.it> wrote: "Wayne Stuart" <me4@privacy.net> wrote in message > news:1gtqz9d.1lsr7gbh6eo9rN%me4@privacy.net...> > ric zito <ADDRESS@IN.SIG> wrote:> > Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a> >> Minardi".> > Do Williams have a "lead driver" policy? In what way?> Rumour has it Nick is on a race-by-race contract... And Nick had to do the> shoot-out thing against Pizza-boy to get his drive... So yeah, I'd say> Webber is at least designated 'team-leader' if nothing else... Nick seems to> be there as a stop gap, until Button shows up... Shame really, as Nick is> looking more promising than Webber, IMO. Maybe pre season, but when the race starts, it is not a traditional Williams policy to have a #1 & #2 to the point of hobbling one of their drivers to make way for the other, except in exceptional circumstances. The "lead driver" is whoever is ahead. And as the season progresses, if Nick is the one bringing home the bacon, only contractual obligations will be the deciding factor as to who stays and who goes, and not some arbitrary #1/#2 policy. -- This message was brought to you by Wayne Stuart - Have a nice day!
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Trevor 22 March 2005 05:46:41 [ permanent link ]
	Of course N.H should be Williams #1 driver. After being out qualified 2 out of 2 races, well could even say 4 out of 4 laps, and all things being equall if both Williams drivers were not taken out of the race would have finished behind his team mate 2 out 2. Yeah obviously Nick should be the #1 driver..... hehehe Heidfeld would be the lead driver, not Mr."One fifth place in a> Minardi".> -- > ric> ric at pixelligence dot com
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Bumble Bee Boy 2 26 March 2005 15:59:08 [ permanent link ]
	"PrawnMatic" <jellybeanpapist@aol.com> wrote in message news:1111830565.872651.179740@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> Will be made even more interesting if Heidfeld has a better season than> Webber and if there's truth in the story of the clause in Button's new> contract stipulating that Williams HAS to take him next year if he so> desires... Can't remember where I read that, sorry :/> Anyone know how long Webber signed for?> 2 years IIRC. But I'm sure the relevant clauses are in place. Bumble
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