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Fritz 19 March 2005 09:57:44
	Good to see the Ferrari guys not smiling for once. Could the Renault and Toyota's be for real? Fritz
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Guest 19 March 2005 11:01:25 [ permanent link ]
	Fritz wrote: Could the Renault and Toyota's be for real? Maybe. You'd think that with their combined wealth and engineerin might, they'd be able to beat a tiny manufacturer with annual production of under 10,000 cars. It was bound to happen sooner or later. If that's what's happening. bp
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Sky 19 March 2005 11:16:11 [ permanent link ]
	Well, Ferrari is owned by Fiat - hardly a tiny manufacturer. And given that Ferrari has more testing, and I believe a bigger budget, than any other F1 team, this is not exactly David and Goliath here. <posner889@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1111215685.575061.264350@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...> Fritz wrote:> Could the Renault and Toyota's be for real?> Maybe.> You'd think that with their combined wealth and engineerin might,> they'd be able to beat a tiny manufacturer with annual production of> under 10,000 cars.> It was bound to happen sooner or later. If that's what's happening.>
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Russell Hobman 19 March 2005 11:50:26 [ permanent link ]
	What? Ferrari aren't getting the huge advantage of free testing on Fridays.. "Sky" <sky@skymicro.net> wrote in message news:k9udnURng4QiTKbfRVn-gg@comcast.com...> Well, Ferrari is owned by Fiat - hardly a tiny manufacturer. And given > that Ferrari has more testing, and I believe a bigger budget, than any > other F1 team, this is not exactly David and Goliath here.> <posner889@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1111215685.575061.264350@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>> Fritz wrote:>> Could the Renault and Toyota's be for real?>> Maybe.>> You'd think that with their combined wealth and engineerin might,>> they'd be able to beat a tiny manufacturer with annual production of>> under 10,000 cars.>> It was bound to happen sooner or later. If that's what's happening.>>
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Guest 19 March 2005 11:56:37 [ permanent link ]
	Sky wrote:> Well, Ferrari is owned by Fiat - hardly a tiny manufacturer. Ferrari is owned by a holding company called FIAT sPa which also owns the auto manufacturer called Fiat Auto. Fiat Auto, the car company, does not own Ferrari, and there aren't exactly a whole lot of engineering or financial links between the two. Ferrari has more testing, and I believe a bigger budget, than any other F1> team, this is not exactly David and Goliath here. Nonetheless, their fortunes are limited by how many cars they can sell and how much advertising they can sell. Both of which are potentially dwarfed by multinational megaliths like Toyota, DiamlerChrysler and Renault. If one or more of those three actually got serious about winning in F1, Ferrari won't be able to compete. It'll be 1983-1995 all over again. bp
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Revitolose 19 March 2005 12:12:01 [ permanent link ]
	<posner889@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1111218997.551127.132220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> Sky wrote:> > Well, Ferrari is owned by Fiat - hardly a tiny manufacturer.> Ferrari is owned by a holding company called FIAT sPa which also owns> the auto manufacturer called Fiat Auto.> Fiat Auto, the car company, does not own Ferrari, and there aren't> exactly a whole lot of engineering or financial links between the two.> Ferrari has more testing, and I believe a bigger budget, than any> other F1> > team, this is not exactly David and Goliath here.> Nonetheless, their fortunes are limited by how many cars they can sell> and how much advertising they can sell. Both of which are potentially> dwarfed by multinational megaliths like Toyota, DiamlerChrysler and> Renault.> If one or more of those three actually got serious about winning in F1,> Ferrari won't be able to compete. It'll be 1983-1995 all over again.> bp Ferrari purchased the best staff from the previous world champions, difficult for Toyota and Renault to do at the moment. Any bitterness towards Toyota is unjust, unless they clone Colin Chapman and Jim Clark, which would still be more credible than just buying Benetton.
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Revitolose 19 March 2005 12:21:27 [ permanent link ]
	<posner889@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1111215685.575061.264350@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...> Fritz wrote:> Could the Renault and Toyota's be for real?> Maybe.> You'd think that with their combined wealth and engineerin might,> they'd be able to beat a tiny manufacturer with annual production of> under 10,000 cars.> It was bound to happen sooner or later. If that's what's happening. At least Toyota run Toyotas and not Alfa Romeo or Benettons under the Fiat badge, is it also bound to happen that Toyota will buy a winning team and dress them in red?
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Probert 19 March 2005 14:01:32 [ permanent link ]
	"russell hobman" <rhobman@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3a23u3F65icejU1@individual.net...> What? Ferrari aren't getting the huge advantage of free testing on > Fridays.. Yes, they are... and Saturday testing (today, apparently) and possibly Sunday testing (tomorrow, apparently, too); they're just not doing their testing at the Grand Prix meeting. Cheers, Probert. "Sky" <sky@skymicro.net> wrote in message > news:k9udnURng4QiTKbfRVn-gg@comcast.com...>> Well, Ferrari is owned by Fiat - hardly a tiny manufacturer. And given >> that Ferrari has more testing, and I believe a bigger budget, than any >> other F1 team, this is not exactly David and Goliath here.>> <posner889@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1111215685.575061.264350@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>>> Fritz wrote:>>> Could the Renault and Toyota's be for real?>>> Maybe.>>> You'd think that with their combined wealth and engineerin might,>>> they'd be able to beat a tiny manufacturer with annual production of>>> under 10,000 cars.>>> It was bound to happen sooner or later. If that's what's happening.>>>
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Paul-B 19 March 2005 14:07:23 [ permanent link ]
	Revitolose wrote: Any bitterness towards Toyota is unjust Not really, when you look at their continuous record of cheating in the varios motorsports they've competed in. -- Paul-B The original and the best
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Pete Fenelon 19 March 2005 14:18:48 [ permanent link ]
	Revitolose <na> wrote:> At least Toyota run Toyotas and not Alfa Romeo or Benettons under the Fiat> badge,> is it also bound to happen that Toyota will buy a winning team and dress> them in red? No, they just nicked a design a couple of years ago and painted it red and white. pete -- pete@fenelon.com "Send lawyers, guns and money...."
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Ric Zito 19 March 2005 14:54:26 [ permanent link ]
	Paul-B <null@null.invalid> wrote: Revitolose wrote:> Any bitterness towards Toyota is unjust> Not really, when you look at their continuous record of cheating in the> varios motorsports they've competed in. Hear hear. -- ric ric at pixelligence dot com
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F2004: 15 of 17*** 19 March 2005 23:31:08 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:21:27 +0100, "Revitolose" <na> wrote:><posner889@yahoo.com> wrote in message>news:1111215685.575061.264350@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>> Fritz wrote:>> > Could the Renault and Toyota's be for real?>> Maybe.>> You'd think that with their combined wealth and engineerin might,>> they'd be able to beat a tiny manufacturer with annual production of>> under 10,000 cars. <5,000. It was bound to happen sooner or later. If that's what's happening.> At least Toyota run Toyotas and not Alfa Romeo or Benettons under the Fiat>badge,>is it also bound to happen that Toyota will buy a winning team and dress>them in red? ? ...Back in the hole, fuckwit.
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F2004: 15 of 17*** 19 March 2005 23:33:47 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:54:26 +0100, ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote:>Paul-B <null@null.invalid> wrote:>> Revitolose wrote:>> > Any bitterness towards Toyota is unjust>> Not really, when you look at their continuous record of cheating in the>> varios motorsports they've competed in.> Hear hear. ...And somehow McLaren gets a free pass.
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C Story 20 March 2005 00:30:36 [ permanent link ]
	"F2004: 15 of 17·*" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote in news:bmvo315194ndarja7iu60149dcocv4equh@4ax.com: On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:54:26 +0100, ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote:>>Paul-B <null@null.invalid> wrote:>>> Revitolose wrote:>>> > Any bitterness towards Toyota is unjust>>> Not really, when you look at their continuous record of cheating in the>>> varios motorsports they've competed in.>> Hear hear.> ...And somehow McLaren gets a free pass.> And in reality, they don't
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Guest 20 March 2005 07:54:26 [ permanent link ]
	F2004: 15 of 17В·* wrote: You'd think that with their combined wealth and engineerin might,> >> they'd be able to beat a tiny manufacturer with annual production under 10,000 cars.> <5,000. Not including Maserati. bp
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Guest 20 March 2005 07:55:44 [ permanent link ]
	F2004: 15 of 17В·* wrote: ...And somehow McLaren gets a free pass. Jeezis, when did you become so boring? bp
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Bob Dubery 20 March 2005 08:01:11 [ permanent link ]
	russell hobman wrote:> What? Ferrari aren't getting the huge advantage of free testing on> Fridays.. Are Renault?
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Bob Dubery 20 March 2005 08:08:16 [ permanent link ]
	posner889@yahoo.com wrote: Nonetheless, their fortunes are limited by how many cars they can sell> and how much advertising they can sell. Both of which are potentially> dwarfed by multinational megaliths like Toyota, DiamlerChrysler and> Renault.> If one or more of those three actually got serious about winning in F1,> Ferrari won't be able to compete. It'll be 1983-1995 all over again. Whilst F1 is an expensive game, money alone can never buy you success. If it could then JV would have at least one more world championship to his name.
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Bob Dubery 20 March 2005 08:13:41 [ permanent link ]
	posner889@yahoo.com wrote: It was bound to happen sooner or later. If that's what's happening. Absolutely. All purple patches must end sometime. There are numerous examples in various sports, but in F1 you can consider McLaren's period of huge success from 1984 to 1991, followed by 2 seasons where they won but never seriously challenged for a championship and then 4 years with little to show. 'Twas ever thus. All things must pass. The thing to do is to see it and appreciate it when you have the chance.
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Bob Dubery 20 March 2005 08:16:15 [ permanent link ]
	F2004: 15 of 17В·* wrote:> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:21:27 +0100, "Revitolose" <na> wrote:> ><posner889@yahoo.com> wrote in message> >news:1111215685.575061.264350@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...> >> Fritz wrote:> >> > Could the Renault and Toyota's be for real?> >> Maybe.> >> You'd think that with their combined wealth and engineerin might,> >> they'd be able to beat a tiny manufacturer with annual production under 10,000 cars.> <5,000. A figure kept deliberately low so as to preserve the brand's mystique. The average Ferrari requires a little more outlay than the average Toyota, so comparing the number of cars built by the two companies is ... well some might call it "fake".
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Guest 20 March 2005 08:27:43 [ permanent link ]
	Bob Dubery wrote: <5,000.> A figure kept deliberately low so as to preserve the brand's mystique. Sure. It's called "profit maximization by a monopolist." i.e., building more cars would result in less profit. Back when Ferrari was building more cars (late 80s - early 90s) they were gushing red ink. The average Ferrari requires a little more outlay than the average> Toyota, so comparing the number of cars built by the two companies is> ... well some might call it "fake". Comparing revenues and manpower is not fake, however. On those bases, Ferrari has done startlingly well in F1 over the past 5 years. Remaining unchallenged at the pinnacle for that long, with much more powerful companies chasing you, is no mean feat. bp
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Richard Miller 20 March 2005 10:19:06 [ permanent link ]
	In message <1111292863.870727.78310@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, posner889@yahoo.com writes>Comparing revenues and manpower is not fake, however. On those bases, >Ferrari has done startlingly well in F1 over the past 5 years. >Remaining unchallenged at the pinnacle for that long, with much more >powerful companies chasing you, is no mean feat. Oh, please! With all the help they have had from Bernie, and with far and away the largest budget on the grid, it's been child's play. -- Richard Miller
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F2004: 15 of 17В·* 20 March 2005 11:02:21 [ permanent link ]
	On 19 Mar 2005 19:54:26 -0800, posner889@yahoo.com wrote:>F2004: 15 of 17В·* wrote:>> >> You'd think that with their combined wealth and engineerin might,>> >> they'd be able to beat a tiny manufacturer with annual production of>> >> under 10,000 cars.>> <5,000.> Not including Maserati. Maseratis were never Ferraris and it was recently divested back to FIAT.
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Guest 20 March 2005 11:09:04 [ permanent link ]
	F2004: 15 of 17В·* wrote: Maseratis were never Ferraris and it was recently divested back to> FIAT. Hadn't heard that. Are/were they being built in a separate factory to Ferrari? bp
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Bob Dubery 20 March 2005 14:27:14 [ permanent link ]
	posner889@yahoo.com wrote:> Bob Dubery wrote:> <5,000.> > A figure kept deliberately low so as to preserve the brand's> mystique.> Sure. It's called "profit maximization by a monopolist." i.e., building> more cars would result in less profit. Back when Ferrari was building> more cars (late 80s - early 90s) they were gushing red ink.> The average Ferrari requires a little more outlay than the average> > Toyota, so comparing the number of cars built by the two companies ... well some might call it "fake".> Comparing revenues and manpower is not fake, however. On those bases,> Ferrari has done startlingly well in F1 over the past 5 years.> Remaining unchallenged at the pinnacle for that long, with much more> powerful companies chasing you, is no mean feat. Fair enough, and I certainly don't begrudge them the fruits of a job very well done, but maybe Ferrari have more resources deployed in F1 than the other big names. They don't have the corporate resources that, say, Toyota do, but most of these big manufacturers seem to not commit to F1 in the way they could - probably because they have more accountants and more shareholders.
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F2004: 15 of 18В·* 20 March 2005 18:45:42 [ permanent link ]
	On 19 Mar 2005 23:09:04 -0800, posner889@yahoo.com wrote:>F2004: 15 of 17В·* wrote:> Maseratis were never Ferraris and it was recently divested back to>> FIAT.> Hadn't heard that. Are/were they being built in a separate factory to>Ferrari? The old Maserati works in Modena have been re-fitted to the 21st century. Iirc, the only physical connection was engine blocks cast in the Ferrari foundry.
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F2004: 15 of 18В·* 20 March 2005 18:45:49 [ permanent link ]
	On 19 Mar 2005 19:55:44 -0800, posner889@yahoo.com wrote:>F2004: 15 of 17В·* wrote:>> ...And somehow McLaren gets a free pass.> Jeezis, when did you become so boring? Probably sometime after 2002, when the effort to hobble Ferrari was first codified.
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Mms 20 March 2005 21:35:56 [ permanent link ]
	You'd think that with their combined wealth and engineerin might,>they'd be able to beat a tiny manufacturer with annual production of>under 10,000 cars.> It was bound to happen sooner or later. If that's what's happening. Poor little thing, they are in motorsport competition since 80 years devoting their whole lives to racing cars producing 10,000 top-of-the-range sports cars each year and they ended beaten by a Twingo maker. Life is too hard !
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