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Race Pace

Brian Lawrence 7 March 2005 14:24:26
 Looking at individual lap times - which are available online from www.forix.com,
www.atlasf1.com and possibly other websites - it is possible to average the lap
times for both teams and drivers and to establish who had the best overall pace.

Laps Best Worst Average
===================­====================­============
1. Renault 114 1'25.683 1'45.407 1'28.784
2. Red Bull 114 1'26.627 1'47.380 1'29.208
3. Ferrari 99 1'26.233 1'48.484 1'29.444
4. McLaren 114 1'26.255 1'50.665 1'29.426
5. Williams 99 1'26.493 1'49.194 1'29.587
6. Toyota 113 1'26.536 1'52.465 1'30.094
7. Sauber 113 1'26.863 1'50.557 1'30.262
8. BAR 111 1'26.269 1'50.278 1'30.266
9. Jordan 110 1'27.970 1'55.561 1'32.472
10. Minardi 69 1'32.852 2'00.297 1'36.042


Laps Best Worst Average
===================­====================­====================­==
1. G Fisichella Renault 57 1'25.994 1'45.407 1'28.725
2. R Barrichello Ferrari 57 1'26.233 1'45.023 1'28.823
3. F Alonso Renault 57 1'25.683 1'45.331 1'28.843
4. D Coulthard Red Bull 57 1'26.690 1'46.974 1'29.008
5. M Webber Williams 57 1'26.493 1'48.991 1'29.022
6. C Klien Red Bull 57 1'26.627 1'47.380 1'29.409
7. K Räikkönen McLaren 57 1'26.255 1'48.834 1'29.421
8. JP Montoya McLaren 57 1'26.393 1'50.665 1'29.430
9. J Trulli Toyota 57 1'27.116 1'47.903 1'29.832
10. F Massa Sauber 57 1'26.863 1'50.557 1'29.855
11. J Button BAR 56 1'26.260 1'49.402 1'30.005
12. M Schumacher Ferrari 42 1'26.261 1'48.484 1'30.064
13. N Heidfeld Williams 42 1'26.854 1'49.194 1'30.152
14. R Schumacher Toyota 56 1'26.536 1'52.465 1'30.355
15. T Sato BAR 55 1'27.877 1'50.278 1'30.527
16. J Villeneuve Sauber 56 1'27.745 1'49.427 1'30.668
17. N Karthikeyan Jordan 55 1'27.970 1'52.377 1'31.982
18. T Monteiro Jordan 55 1'28.999 1'55.561 1'32.961
19. C Albers Minardi 16 1'33.144 1'53.142 1'35.857
20. P Friesacher Minardi 53 1'32.852 2'00.297 1'36.227

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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@ms­n.com
Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK



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Brian Lawrence 7 March 2005 14:31:12 permanent link ]
 
Looking at individual lap times - which are available online from www.forix.com,
www.atlasf1.com and possibly other websites - it is possible to average the lap
times for both teams and drivers and to establish who had the best overall pace.

Laps Best Worst Average
===================­====================­============
1. Renault 114 1'25.683 1'45.407 1'28.784
2. Red Bull 114 1'26.627 1'47.380 1'29.208
3. Ferrari 99 1'26.233 1'48.484 1'29.444
4. McLaren 114 1'26.255 1'50.665 1'29.426
5. Williams 99 1'26.493 1'49.194 1'29.587
6. Toyota 113 1'26.536 1'52.465 1'30.094
7. Sauber 113 1'26.863 1'50.557 1'30.262
8. BAR 111 1'26.269 1'50.278 1'30.266
9. Jordan 110 1'27.970 1'55.561 1'32.472
10. Minardi 69 1'32.852 2'00.297 1'36.042


Laps Best Worst Average
===================­====================­====================­==
1. G Fisichella Renault 57 1'25.994 1'45.407 1'28.725
2. R Barrichello Ferrari 57 1'26.233 1'45.023 1'28.823
3. F Alonso Renault 57 1'25.683 1'45.331 1'28.843
4. D Coulthard Red Bull 57 1'26.690 1'46.974 1'29.008
5. M Webber Williams 57 1'26.493 1'48.991 1'29.022
6. C Klien Red Bull 57 1'26.627 1'47.380 1'29.409
7. K Räikkönen McLaren 57 1'26.255 1'48.834 1'29.421
8. JP Montoya McLaren 57 1'26.393 1'50.665 1'29.430
9. J Trulli Toyota 57 1'27.116 1'47.903 1'29.832
10. F Massa Sauber 57 1'26.863 1'50.557 1'29.855
11. J Button BAR 56 1'26.260 1'49.402 1'30.005
12. M Schumacher Ferrari 42 1'26.261 1'48.484 1'30.064
13. N Heidfeld Williams 42 1'26.854 1'49.194 1'30.152
14. R Schumacher Toyota 56 1'26.536 1'52.465 1'30.355
15. T Sato BAR 55 1'27.877 1'50.278 1'30.527
16. J Villeneuve Sauber 56 1'27.745 1'49.427 1'30.668
17. N Karthikeyan Jordan 55 1'27.970 1'52.377 1'31.982
18. T Monteiro Jordan 55 1'28.999 1'55.561 1'32.961
19. C Albers Minardi 16 1'33.144 1'53.142 1'35.857
20. P Friesacher Minardi 53 1'32.852 2'00.297 1'36.227

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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@ms­n.com
Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK



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Guest 7 March 2005 14:34:20 permanent link ]
 
Brian Lawrence wrote:

<snip>

Brian:

is it possible to state which lap was each driver's fastest?

bp

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Brian Lawrence 7 March 2005 14:55:14 permanent link ]
 <posner889@yahoo.com­> wrote:
Brian Lawrence wrote:>
<snip>>
Brian:>
is it possible to state which lap was each driver's fastest?

Of course:

1 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1'25.683 24 222.807
2 6 G.Fisichella Renault 1'25.994 0.311 55 222.001
3 2 R.Barrichello Ferrari 1'26.233 0.550 54 221.386
4 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren 1'26.255 0.572 55 221.329
5 3 Jenson Button BAR 1'26.260 0.577 55 221.316
6 1 M.Schumacher Ferrari 1'26.261 0.578 38 221.314
7 10 J.P.Montoya McLaren 1'26.393 0.710 41 220.976
8 7 Mark Webber Williams 1'26.493 0.810 37 220.720
9 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1'26.536 0.853 56 220.611
10 15 Christian Klien Red Bull 1'26.627 0.944 39 220.379
11 14 David Coulthard Red Bull 1'26.690 1.007 40 220.219
12 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams 1'26.854 1.171 38 219.803
13 12 Felipe Massa Sauber 1'26.893 1.210 55 219.704
14 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1'27.116 1.433 56 219.142
15 11 J.Villeneuve Sauber 1'27.745 2.062 54 217.571
16 4 Takuma Sato BAR 1'27.877 2.194 36 217.244
17 19 N.Karthikeyan Jordan 1'27.970 2.287 36 217.014
18 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan 1'28.999 3.316 16 214.505
19 20 P.Friesacher Minardi 1'32.852 7.169 22 205.604
20 21 Christijan Albers Minardi 1'33.144 7.461 11 204.960

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Guest 7 March 2005 17:27:46 permanent link ]
 
Brian Lawrence wrote:
is it possible to state which lap was each driver's fastest?
Of course:

<snip>

Thanks.

Now, notice that most of these drivers turned their fastest laps very
close to the end of the race. Logic would dictate that the fastest laps
should be set on newest tires and lowest fuel, which would have been
just before the first set of pitstops, around lap 15-20 or most of the
drivers.

Since they didn't, it seems clear to me that most of them were probably
nursing their tires.

This is not the optimal choice. It seems to me that the smartest thing
to do, in order to gain track position, is to burn up your tires in the
few laps before your last fuel stop and gain as many positions on the
stop as possible: since it is basically impossible to pass, a driver
could run on shagged out tires in the last race segment whilst holding
up all the cars with "preserved" tires.

Either way, saving your fastest laps for the final 10% of the race
strikes me as rather suboptimal. Have they not had race-length testing
sessions on the new tires? Are the wear rates not known? I doubt I'm
thinking of something that nobody within a team hasn't thought of.

Other possibility: they had less fuel in the last couple of laps of the
race than in the last couple of laps before a pit-stop, that is, they
pitted with a safe margin in the tank.

Who knows?

bp

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Guest 7 March 2005 18:00:36 permanent link ]
 
posner889@yahoo.com­ wrote:> Brian Lawrence wrote:>
is it possible to state which lap was each driver's fastest?>
Of course:>
<snip>>
Thanks.>
Now, notice that most of these drivers turned their fastest laps very> close to the end of the race. Logic would dictate that the fastest
laps> should be set on newest tires and lowest fuel, which would have been> just before the first set of pitstops, around lap 15-20 or most of
drivers.>
Since they didn't, it seems clear to me that most of them were
probably> nursing their tires.>
<snip>

With this being the first race and all, I think that the teams didn't
want to take any chances with the tires. What we saw at the end of the
race were tires that looked almost new. I expect them to start pushing
them very soon. But...

Did you noticed Alonso being warned not to push the engine too hard?
Maybe that is much more a concern (to Renault at least) then the tires.

Stefan Mazur

PS See you in June?

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Brian Lawrence 7 March 2005 18:51:17 permanent link ]
 <posner889@yahoo.com­> wrote:

<snip>
Have they not had race-length testing> sessions on the new tires? Are the wear rates not known? I doubt I'm> thinking of something that nobody within a team hasn't thought of.

I don't think that many (or any) teams have done full-length race distance
tests with the latest tyres. I know that Ferrari hadn't done any running
with the Melbourne-spec Bridgestones - they were supposed to do that at
Valencia the previous week but the whole test was afflicted by rain. I
have read comments from some Michelin teams that they didn't get any race
distances in testing.

It will be interesting to see the data from Sepang as a comparison.

--

Brian


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Richard Archer 7 March 2005 19:57:17 permanent link ]
 
<posner889@yahoo.co­m> wrote in message
news:1110202066.828­395.236850@z14g2000c­wz.googlegroups.com.­..>
Brian Lawrence wrote:>
is it possible to state which lap was each driver's fastest?>
Of course:>
<snip>>
Thanks.>
Now, notice that most of these drivers turned their fastest laps very> close to the end of the race. Logic would dictate that the fastest laps> should be set on newest tires and lowest fuel, which would have been> just before the first set of pitstops, around lap 15-20 or most of the> drivers.>
Since they didn't, it seems clear to me that most of them were probably> nursing their tires.>
This is not the optimal choice. It seems to me that the smartest thing> to do, in order to gain track position, is to burn up your tires in the> few laps before your last fuel stop and gain as many positions on the> stop as possible: since it is basically impossible to pass, a driver> could run on shagged out tires in the last race segment whilst holding> up all the cars with "preserved" tires.>
Either way, saving your fastest laps for the final 10% of the race> strikes me as rather suboptimal. Have they not had race-length testing> sessions on the new tires? Are the wear rates not known? I doubt I'm> thinking of something that nobody within a team hasn't thought of.>
Other possibility: they had less fuel in the last couple of laps of the> race than in the last couple of laps before a pit-stop, that is, they> pitted with a safe margin in the tank.>
Who knows?>
Its also possible that the track was getting faster as the race went on.
Plenty of rain in the proceeding couple of days left a very green track, and
whilst the harder new tyres don't lay so much rubber down as previous years,
there must be a small amount of extra grip to be had at the end of the race.

Richard Archer


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Guest 8 March 2005 09:03:06 permanent link ]
 
smazur@ers.ca wrote:
PS See you in June?

Unlikely - probably be busy working over here in the Gulf. Maybe next
year.

bp

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Ian Hill 8 March 2005 11:46:51 permanent link ]
 

Brian Lawrence wrote:> Looking at individual lap times - which are available online from
www.forix.com,> www.atlasf1.com and possibly other websites - it is possible to
average the lap> times for both teams and drivers and to establish who had the best
overall pace.

<data snipped>

Thanks Brian. But I'm having trouble working out why the average
laptimes for those who finished the race aren't just in finishing
order. Surely <average lap time> * <number of laps> = <time to finish
the race> ? For the non-lapped people at least. Please can you point
out what I'm missing?

Ian

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Brian Lawrence 8 March 2005 13:13:07 permanent link ]
 
"Ian Hill" <ian@ianhill.fsworl­d.co.uk> wrote:
Brian Lawrence wrote:
Looking at individual lap times - which are available online from>> www.forix.com,>> www.atlasf1.com and possibly other websites - it is possible to>> average the lap>> times for both teams and drivers and to establish who had the best>> overall pace.>
<data snipped>>
Thanks Brian. But I'm having trouble working out why the average> laptimes for those who finished the race aren't just in finishing> order. Surely <average lap time> * <number of laps> = <time to finish> the race> ? For the non-lapped people at least. Please can you point> out what I'm missing?

Well the data came from AtlasF1 - IOW I didn't calculate the averages.

It looks as though Montoya slips below both Klien & Kimi, and JV below
Sato.

I'll re-examine the numbers.

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Brian Lawrence 8 March 2005 13:43:12 permanent link ]
 
"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceRE­MTHIS@msn.com> wrote:
It looks as though Montoya slips below both Klien & Kimi, and JV below> Sato.>
I'll re-examine the numbers.

JPM/CK/KR - I didn't do a straight cut 'n paste of the numbers and I transposed
JPM's. His average should read 1'29.340 not .430.

Sato was quicker than JV, but "retired" a lap earlier so his average is over 55
laps and JV's is over 56.

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Brian Lawrence 8 March 2005 13:47:31 permanent link ]
 "Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_LawrenceRE­MTHIS@msn.com> wrote:
Laps Best Worst Average> ===================­====================­====================­==
6. C Klien Red Bull 57 1'26.627 1'47.380 1'29.409> 7. K Räikkönen McLaren 57 1'26.255 1'48.834 1'29.421> 8. JP Montoya McLaren 57 1'26.393 1'50.665 1'29.430

I transposed the numbers in Montoya's average - it should read 29.340 and
he should be ranked 6th.

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Brian


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Matthew Larkin 8 March 2005 16:19:45 permanent link ]
 Was it Alonso that had the pit radio "you can override 2 times" (or
something similar) with about 5 laps to go. I read that as the team
allowing him to tune the engine / revs to the max for a couple of laps
to see if he could do anything about catching Rubens, but that was all
they would let him do to avoid wrecking the engine.

Matt

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Scott 8 March 2005 22:17:33 permanent link ]
 <smazur@ers.ca> wrote in message
news:1110204036.407­451.93290@o13g2000cw­o.googlegroups.com> posner889@yahoo.com­ wrote:>> Brian Lawrence wrote:>>
is it possible to state which lap was each driver's fastest?>>
Of course:>>
<snip>>>
Thanks.>>
Now, notice that most of these drivers turned their fastest laps>> very close to the end of the race. Logic would dictate that the>> fastest laps should be set on newest tires and lowest fuel, which>> would have been just before the first set of pitstops, around lap>> 15-20 or most of the drivers.>>
Since they didn't, it seems clear to me that most of them were>> probably nursing their tires.>>
<snip>>
With this being the first race and all, I think that the teams> didn't want to take any chances with the tires. What we saw at the> end of the race were tires that looked almost new. I expect them to> start pushing them very soon. But...>
Did you noticed Alonso being warned not to push the engine too hard?> Maybe that is much more a concern (to Renault at least) then the> tires.

Yeh, I'm sure Button wanged it up to 20k RPM for the last lap ;-)­


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