They have achieved everything one can in F1, including the enmity of>bigots and retards everywhere, to the extreme point where rules are>instituted, unilaterally, piecemeal, and without forethought of any>kind, merely to hinder their one team's creativity and success. >

Ferrari should return to GT and prototype racing, sprints and >enduros: Such a sea change will cost them much, much less, allow for>even greater road car developments, and will extend a grand and>illustrious tradition which often seems forgotten as the pinheads in>the McWilliams-owned FIA and sewer-rat British media labor to hinder>and deride their magnificent F1 team.>

Leave "Formula 1" to the bigots, retards and fuckwits who can't spell>tire correctly, think cheating is noble if it's performed in service>of Queens and Country, and still believe Britannia Rules ...anything.>

...Let the toothless retards eat boiled cake.

...What possibly could be your point? >

Revulsion against discriminatory regulation is now "sour grapes"?

Ferrari should return to GT and prototype racing, sprints and > enduros: Such a sea change will cost them much, much less, allow for> even greater road car developments, and will extend a grand and> illustrious tradition which often seems forgotten as the pinheads in> the McWilliams-owned FIA and sewer-rat British media labor to hinder> and deride their magnificent F1 team.>

Leave "Formula 1" to the bigots, retards and fuckwits who can't spell> tire correctly, think cheating is noble if it's performed in service> of Queens and Country, and still believe Britannia Rules ...anything.>

...Let the toothless retards eat boiled cake.>

Leave "Formula 1" to the bigots, retards and fuckwits who can't spell>tire correctly

lol. Another addition to the ever growing kill filter.

"DRP535" <drp535.nospam@soft­home.net> wrote in message >news:60hn2151grvbo­qj19krdknvaoulooabcu­n@4ax.com...>> On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 18:56:47 GMT, "F2004: 15 of 17*В·**">> <Ron.Dennis@LyingCh­eatingSwine.com> wrote:>>

You mean you've only JUST spotted one of his posts??>

The username itself suggests he's a little sore at Ferrari not winning the >first race otherwise it would have been *F2005 1 of 19*>

Next race perhaps ­

Ferrari should return to GT and prototype racing, sprints and > enduros: Such a sea change will cost them much, much less, allow for> even greater road car developments, and will extend a grand and> illustrious tradition which often seems forgotten as the pinheads in> the McWilliams-owned FIA and sewer-rat British media labor to hinder> and deride their magnificent F1 team.>

Leave "Formula 1" to the bigots, retards and fuckwits who can't spell> tire correctly, think cheating is noble if it's performed in service> of Queens and Country, and still believe Britannia Rules ...anything.>

...Let the toothless retards eat boiled cake.

===== Original Message From Frank.Williams@Lyin­gCheatingSwine.com =====>They have achieved everything one can in F1, including the enmity of>bigots and retards everywhere, to the extreme point where rules are>instituted, unilaterally, piecemeal, and without forethought of any>kind, merely to hinder their one team's creativity and success.>

Ferrari should return to GT and prototype racing, sprints and>enduros: Such a sea change will cost them much, much less, allow for>even greater road car developments, and will extend a grand and>illustrious tradition which often seems forgotten as the pinheads in>the McWilliams-owned FIA and sewer-rat British media labor to hinder>and deride their magnificent F1 team.>

Leave "Formula 1" to the bigots, retards and fuckwits who can't spell>tire correctly, think cheating is noble if it's performed in service>of Queens and Country, and still believe Britannia Rules ...anything.>

...Let the toothless retards eat boiled cake.

Ferrari should return to GT and prototype racing, sprints and > enduros:

You do realise the upshot of such a move?>You'll get lynched at Le mans... ­

Next race perhaps ­

Imagining discriminatory regulation certainly is.

You do realise the upshot of such a move?>You'll get lynched at Le mans... ­

You're a insufferable moron and a despicable hypocrite, both.

I sincerely can't imagine how one attends Le Mans for the racing, so> the likelihood of attending remains very small. ...And I rarely need> to just sit about badmouthing Americans nor Ferrari.

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 03:12:05 GMT, "The Wizard"> <the_wiz@nospamhere­.com> wrote:> >The username itself suggests he's a little sore at Ferrari not winning the > >first race otherwise it would have been *F2005 1 of 19*> >

Are they racing the F2005 yet, fuckwit?>

What makes you think people sit around badmouthing Americans and > Ferrari?

It's called "an exaggerated sense of self-importance".

...Do you guys actually read this NG, or do you just fill it with> shite?

On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:46:15 +0100, ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote:>>F2004: 15 of 17*В·** <Ron.Dennis@LyingCh­eatingSwine.com> wrote:>>> Ferrari should return to GT and prototype racing, sprints and >>> enduros:>>

I sincerely can't imagine how one attends Le Mans for the racing, so>the likelihood of attending remains very small. ...And I rarely need>to just sit about badmouthing Americans nor Ferrari.>

Sebring, Mid-Ohio, Road America, and Laguna Seca, OTOH...

...Do you guys actually read this NG, or do you just fill it with> shite?>

...Do you guys actually read this NG, or do you just fill it with> shite?

Do you actually ever get out of the USA into these places you consider >to be infested with american bashing anti-Ferrari people? If not, STFU.>

Or do you think the NG is a good representation of real life?

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 17:29:46 +0000, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@hotmail.com>­> wrote:>>F2004: 15 of 17*·** wrote:>>> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:23:49 +0000, Phil Newnham>>> <pnewnhamat@yahoodo­t.com> wrote:>>>>Graham Hodgson wrote:>>>>>F2004: 15 of 17*·** wrote:>>>>>>I sincerely can't imagine how one attends Le Mans for the racing, so>>>>>>the likelihood of attending remains very small. ...And I rarely need>>>>>>to just sit about badmouthing Americans nor Ferrari.>>>>>

I think this NG is fairly representative of the sad and sorry state of> English racing fandom.>

You're too late. F1 is already dead. >

...Killed by your pathetic needs for a British champion.

I sincerely can't imagine how one attends Le Mans for the racing,

the likelihood of attending remains very small. ...And I rarely need> to just sit about badmouthing Americans nor Ferrari.>

Sebring, Mid-Ohio, Road America, and Laguna Seca, OTOH...>

I think this NG is fairly representative of the sad and sorry state of> English racing fandom.

Graham Hodgson wrote:> > F2004: 15 of 17*В·** wrote:> >

It's called "an exaggerated sense of self-importance".>

HTH ;)

Silly me, I'd expected a "Fratelli d'Italia" for the Italian who won the >Grand Prix of Australia yesterday. Even if he was in a French racing >car, his team manager is also an Italian. Maybe they should consider >re-painting the cars.

So go there, and find out for yourself.

ROFL. I'm still waiting for your explanation of how the 2 engine rule >favours anyone more than Ferrari...

Spell it out loud, as I type it, Skippy:>

R-A-N-D-O-M-I-Z-A-T­-I-O-N.>

...The Anglophile's best friend.

Aero - Which chassis will hurt the most when the amount of downforce>

I think this NG is fairly representative of the sad and sorry state of> English racing fandom.

...Don't see how it works and I've no need to travel to the boondocks> of France for a barbecue, I'm only 100miles from Bridgehampton.

You're too late. F1 is already dead.>

Randomisation favours one team over another?

True...it started to die the moment it was decided that it was in the >sports best interest that Ferrari should win.>As long as Ferrari is the favoured son there is no future for F1 as a >sport.

Well you see, there's these things called motorcars. They have 4 wheels >and make loud broom broom noises. They travel very fast around a circuit >for a whole day. People come from all over the world to mingle with each >other and enjoy themselves. They might only watch part of the race, and >spend the rest of the time talking about racing. Or football. Or the >political climate in Zimbabwe. Or whatever they fancy talking about. The >common connection is an interest in motorracing. It's really that >simple. Nothing complicated. All fans of motorsport should try it once.

...Don't see how it works and I've no need to travel to the boondocks>of France for a barbecue, I'm only 100miles from Bridgehampton.

So... It's *not* about racing...>

...No. Not for me: I've got Formula England for that.>

People come from all over the world to mingle with each other and> enjoy themselves. They might only watch part of the race, and spend> the rest of the time talking about racing. Or football. Or the> political climate in Zimbabwe. Or whatever they fancy talking about.

...Don't see how it works and I've no need to travel to the boondocks> of France for a barbecue, I'm only 100miles from Bridgehampton.

I enjoyed his win, as I did Renault's. But in trying to "improve the >show for the yoof of to-day", the FIA has buggered F1. Again.> Doc

Randomization disfavors the dominant team, imbecile.

That is too bas, coz you are missing out on one of the few remaining >true spectacles of motor racing.> Doc>

What a load of rubbish. If it disfavours one team, it isn't random.

That is too bas, coz you are missing out on one of the few remaining >true spectacles of motor racing.

Please accept my sincere apologies, Phil. I didn't realize until this> moment that you labor with a genuine learning disability. My best> wishes for you overcoming your deficits and leading a productive life.

Hardly. >

I, rather, humbly concede to the Zen maxim: Never fault a pig for> having a shorter neck than a giraffe.

F2004: 15 of 17*В·** wrote:> > On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 20:11:52 +0100, Doc Knutsen> > <doc@NOSPAMknutspee­d.com> wrote:> >

That is too bas, coz you are missing out on one of the few remaining> true spectacles of motor racing. Doc>

Hardly.

I, rather, humbly concede to the Zen maxim:

Never fault a pig for> having a shorter neck than a giraffe.

So, you aren't interested in backing up your claim with anything, or >answering the argument at all, actually. Instead, another rather >harmless ad hominem... boring.

I think this NG is fairly representative of the sad and sorry state of>English racing fandom.

This NG is about as representative of English racing fandom, as>"Desperate Housewives" is representative of American suburban life.

On 13 Mar 2005 08:33:14 -0800, "Hornplayer9599" <sbostwick@aol.com>­> wrote:>>Correct me if I'm wrong, I was about 15 or 16 at the time, but I>>remember in the mid to late 80's many people were saying the same>>things about McLaren that they are saying about Ferrari now.>

No...>

"McLaren domination GOOD... Ferrari BAD"...

Iirc, the royal family was also fond of Hitler, as well.>

"F2004: 15 of 17*В·**" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCh­eatingSwine.com> wrote in >news:vm19319ebmhfq­od810269nfi8cvg6k5ns­9@4ax.com:>

"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery ... we have>always been at war with Oceania">

So was Prescott Bush .. but the relevance to this discussion is>pretty much zilch.

The only things that are different (at least as I>surmise) between them are that McLaren had TWO of the greatest drivers>ever working for them and that Bernie wasn't running the show at that>point. Wouldn't domination by any one team be detrimental?

???>

Domination wasn't considered detrimental until Ferrari started doing> the dominating: As long as it was McLaren or Williams all was "right> with the world".>

Nobody considered or advocated changing the rules every season in the> eighties and nineties.

Depends on how you define "changing the rules". Off the top of my> head...>

* the mandating of the flat bottom from 1983 onwards> * increasing restrictions on turbo boost> * the introduction of 3.5 liter normally aspirated engines for 1987 (or> was that earlier?)> * the banning of turbos from 1989 onwards> * the changes to the point system in 1991> * various aero restrictions for 1991, 1992, 1993 (and nearly every> season)> * the banning of "driver aids" for the 1994 season> * the re-introduction of refuelling for 1994> * the holes in the air intakes introduced mind 1994> * the "plank" for 1994> * the padded cockpit surrounds and more aero restrictions for 1996> * the introduction of the 107% rule> * the dropping of the 107% rule> * introduction of 12-lap qualifying> * grooved tyres> * engines restricted to 3 liters> * engines restricted to 10 cylinders>

All of that before the start of Ferrari's period of domination and much> of during McLaren's purple patch. We also saw a team kicked out of the> manufacturer's championship because of a dispute over who actually made> the chassis, a world champion threatened with the suspension of his> superlicense and a disqualification of a driver who won on the track> and thought he'd secured the championship in doing so. Oh... and a> championship leader black flagged and later suspended for two races.>

The rules are constantly changing. Every year there are changes.> They're not always as drastic as the changes in qualifying format we've> seen over the last few seasons, but there are hanges all the time.> Think of the start procedure, the introduction of the pace car, speed> limits in the pit lane...>

Actually, they haven't, but carry on.

F2004: 15 of 17*В·** wrote:> >

Quotes?>