All teams roll six dice>

Cars line up in reverse order of total number on dice>

After 'dice roll', teams go out back and ignite one million dollars.>

PERFECT!!!>

-Bob>

-- >FERRARI - 14 Time World Champions>

SCHUMACHER - 7 Time World Champion>

FORZA FERRARI!!!

Cars line up in reverse order of total number on dice>

After 'dice roll', teams go out back and ignite one million dollars.>

PERFECT!!!>

-Bob>

All teams roll six dice>

Cars line up in reverse order of total number on dice>

After 'dice roll', teams go out back and ignite one million dollars.>

PERFECT!!!>

83 wins from 212 GPs for 39% <tifosoREM@OVEcomca­st.net> wrote:>

I think this needs some work. People could actually become good at>throwing dice, and hence some skill could be involved. I suggest using>a lottery machine containing just the balls of the cars numbers.>

Cars line up in reverse order of total number on dice>

After 'dice roll', teams go out back and ignite one million dollars.>

PERFECT!!!

Cars line up in reverse order of total number on dice>

After 'dice roll', teams go out back and ignite one million dollars.

Stop pouting Bob. It doesn't look good on you. Your hero has come from>the back of the grid before.

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:27:31 GMT, adenis1234@rogersNO­SPAMTODAY.com>(Andre­ Denis) wrote:>>On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:01:58 -0600, 83 wins from 212 GPs for 39%>><tifosoREM@OVE­comcast.net> wrote:>>>All teams roll six dice>>>Cars line up in reverse order of total number on dice>>>After 'dice roll', teams go out back and ignite one million dollars.>>>PERFECT!­!!>>

That's not at all the point. This scheme is anti-competitive, and>some have been saying so all along.>

I don't think the new qualifying is anti-competitive, unless the weather>gets involved like it did this race.

Having said that, I much prefer the old 12 lap one hour system. >I hate it when they over regulate too.

Cars line up in reverse order of total number on dice>

After 'dice roll', teams go out back and ignite one million dollars.>

PERFECT!!!>

On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 21:03:11 GMT, adenis1234@rogersNO­SPAMTODAY.com>(Andre­ Denis) wrote:>>On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 18:18:38 GMT, "F2004: 15 of 17*">><Ron.Dennis@L­yingCheatingSwine.co­m> wrote:>>>On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:27:31 GMT, adenis1234@rogersNO­SPAMTODAY.com>>>(And­re Denis) wrote:>>>>On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 15:01:58 -0600, 83 wins from 212 GPs for 39%>>>><tifosoREM@O­VEcomcast.net> wrote:>>>>>All teams roll six dice>>>>>Cars line up in reverse order of total number on dice>>>>>After 'dice roll', teams go out back and ignite one million dollars.>>>>>PERFEC­T!!!>>>>

There will always be a unacceptable randomizing element: Rain, wind,>temperature, humidity. The system is fundamentally flawed and unfair.>

It's very interesting that everyone seems to mention 12-lap qualifying>with an almost amorous nostalgia...>

12-lap qualifying was the first of the modern stupidities enacted in>the name of "leveling" the field.>

Qualifying should be one-hour, drive all you want, or don't.>

...And stop fucking whinging when someone from another country beats>you.>

What I really should have said is that I prefer the 12 lap system over the>one they are using now. >

I am one of the people who long for the old days before the demasculation>of F1. Don't get me wrong.. the improved safety of today's cars has it's>benefits. Like not watching one of your heroes die every other race. >However, I still think F1 should be all out racing, no cost limitation.>They can increase qualifying to 3 hours all out as many laps as they want,>for all I care. Give the fans some moneys worth. Let them use as many>engines as they want. Let them use as many tires as they want. Open up>the rules and stop complaining about the high cost. If Honda, Fiat,>Renault, Mercedes, Ford, Toyota and BMW want us to buy there crappy road>cars, let them foot the bill. If they don't want to be in the game,>because it costs too much, let them leave.

FIAT Auto are not involved in F1.>

That's one of the most incredibly dickheaded statements I've seen you make, >Mark.

FIAT not involved in F1? Which company owns Ferrari? Which company >bank-rolled Ferrari through the lean years? Which company's name is one of >the most prominent on the nose of the 2004M?>

Grow up, Mark, for God's sake.

Wait, you get better...>

You don't know the difference between FIAT Holding and FIAT Auto and> yet you presume to call another "dickhead", fuckwit?

...Buy a fucking clue, shitstain, "for God's sake".

You think the current system, of interminable and increasingly> stochastic rules gerrymandering, is the best course for F1 to take?

"F2004: 15 of 17*В·**" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCh­eatingSwine.com> wrote in message >news:7div21p6k6v68­u07g9beogmr5jjdodnb4­t@4ax.com...>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:32:40 -0000, "Probert">> <nick.wf1commdept2@­btinternet.com> wrote:>>>"F2004: 15 of 17*В·**" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCh­eatingSwine.com> wrote in message>>>news:iduu­21tst70nd8h5gfkbjgl8­4ovkm3ihtv@4ax.com..­.>>>> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:14:29 GMT, adenis1234@rogersNO­SPAMTODAY.com>>>> (Andre Denis) wrote:>>>>>I am one of the people who long for the old days before the >>>>>demasculation>­>>>>of F1. Don't get me wrong.. the improved safety of today's cars has >>>>>it's>>>>>benef­its. Like not watching one of your heroes die every other race.>>>>>However, I still think F1 should be all out racing, no cost limitation.>>>>>The­y can increase qualifying to 3 hours all out as many laps as they >>>>>want,>>>>>for all I care. Give the fans some moneys worth. Let them use as many>>>>>engines as they want. Let them use as many tires as they want. Open up>>>>>the rules and stop complaining about the high cost. If Honda, Fiat,>>>>>Renault, Mercedes, Ford, Toyota and BMW want us to buy there crappy road>>>>>cars, let them foot the bill. If they don't want to be in the game,>>>>>because it costs too much, let them leave.>>>>

ROFL>

Ignoring the massively pointless and crackers degree of hair-splitting >you've introduced - there is no such company as "FIAT Holding", nor is there >one called "FIAT Auto" - not even in the US (because they don't sell FIAT >cars in the US).>

The holding company is called FIAT Group. Within FIAT Group there is a car >manufacturing division that includes, as separate, but wholely owned >companies, FIAT (bog standard volume cars), Lancia (mid-range sport and exec >cars), Alfa Romeo (slightly more up-market sport and exec) and Maserati and >Ferrari.>

I assume that I don't have to tell you what the acronym means - which would >make the (non)name "FIAT Auto" idiotic.>

Still, even if you were right (and you're not), the large FIAT logo on the >nose of the 2004M does make a bit of a nonsense of your previous assertion >that 'FIAT are not involved in F1'.

They own Ferrari, they bank-roll >Ferrari, and they have on-car sponsorhip branding on the Ferrari race car.

It's a bit like saying BMW aren't involved in F1 - because, actually, it's >BMW Motorsport that design and build the engines; or that Ford weren't >involved in F1 until this year because Jaguar was the racing team's name, >even though it was Ford that pulled the plug;

just as FIAT - especially >Gianni Agnelli after Enzo's death - threatened numerous times to pull the >plug on Ferrari's F1 activities.

Like I said, this is one of the most dickheaded arguments I've seen you >make - and that takes some doing.

I think you could do with investing in a mirror.

"If Honda, Fiat, Renault, Mercedes, Ford, Toyota and BMW want us to>buy there crappy road cars, let them foot the bill. If they don't>want to be in the game, because it costs too much, let them leave."

I wasn't trying to be witty. I really don't care>about the semantics. They don't support the teams out of the goodness of>their hearts. They do it because they use F1 as a marketing tool to sell>their road cars. So, if Honda, Fiat, Renault, Mercedes, Ford, Toyota and>BMW don't want to be in the game because it costs too much, let them leave.>That goes for all of the other sponsors of the F1 cars too. >

Anyway somewhere along the way, the original qualifying format disscusion>got left by the wayside to fight over whether Ferrari is Fiat. "A rose by>any other name".

It's a good thing I didn't call that Lemans winning Bentley a Volkswagen ;)

FIAT automotive does not.>

Wrong. Fiat automotive group does not, and never has, owned Ferrari.>

That's the first truthful thing you've said.>