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CarGuru > Formula-1 > New Ferrari nose is butt ugly 10 February 2005 20:32:10
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New Ferrari nose is butt ugly

John Smith 28 January 2005 18:26:27
 Looks almost as bad as last years Williams walrus.. Are the Fiat guys
helping them this year?


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Thor 28 January 2005 19:16:18 [ permanent link ]
 John Smith wrote:
Looks almost as bad as last years Williams walrus.. Are the Fiat guys> helping them this year?>
It can be ugly, but it looks that it is the only 'new' thing we are going to
see this year... I missed teh walrus, at least it was different

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Thor -- Stockholm -- Sverige
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Harold Adrian Russell Philby 28 January 2005 19:30:51 [ permanent link ]
 On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:16:18 +0100, Thor <thor__00@yahoo.com­> wrote:>John Smith wrote:>> Looks almost as bad as last years Williams walrus..

Worse.
Are the Fiat guys helping them this year?

...Imbecile.
It can be ugly, but it looks that it is the only 'new' thing we are going to>see this year... I missed teh walrus, at least it was different.

But it sucked.

Death to Formula England: Abortions delivered while you wait.

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Harold Adrian Russell Philby 28 January 2005 19:48:19 [ permanent link ]
 
Are they going to hire Verstappen and go for the lawn-maintenance
contract at Silverstone?

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Thor 28 January 2005 19:53:33 [ permanent link ]
 Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:
But it sucked.>
That's the point. Are F1 aerodynamics so refined that there is nothing
'visual' and new to try? An de the something that really works?
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Phil Newnham 28 January 2005 21:54:10 [ permanent link ]
 Thor wrote:> Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:>
But it sucked.>
That's the point. Are F1 aerodynamics so refined that there is nothing> 'visual' and new to try? An de the something that really works?

It's not so much a case of refined aerodynamics as refined rules - most
of the changes they might choose to make, given a free hand, would
involve putting bodywork where it isn't allowed.

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Paul-B 28 January 2005 22:42:34 [ permanent link ]
 Phil Newnham wrote:

would involve putting bodywork where it isn't allowed.


Isn't that something Lardboy excels at (allegedly)?

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Scott Johnson 28 January 2005 23:06:53 [ permanent link ]
 Chino Cherokee wrote:> To run the first four races of the 2005 Formula One series:> http://www.f1racing­.net/en/photolarge.p­hp?photoID=39043&cat­ID=1583> http://www.f1racing­.net/en/photolarge.p­hp?photoID=39046&cat­ID=1583> http://www.f1racing­.net/en/photolarge.p­hp?photoID=39050&cat­ID=1583> http://www.f1racing­.net/en/photolarge.p­hp?photoID=39051&cat­ID=1583

Thanks. I find all of the bizarre undulations and
shaping of the current batch of F1 wings to be
uhhh....interesting­.

I love to know how they got there from a straight
wing, and whether they ever start from scratch or
if every wing is a tweaking of the previous
super-complex humpbacked aerofoil.

There was a point between the simple
connect-the-dots designs of the late 80's and now
where F1 cars were curvy and sexy, but currently
they're transgendered strippers with too much body
jewelry.

--
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Phil Newnham 28 January 2005 23:14:33 [ permanent link ]
 Paul-B wrote:> Phil Newnham wrote:>
would involve putting bodywork where it isn't allowed.>
Isn't that something Lardboy excels at (allegedly)?

I'm not sure I want to know!

Yet another example of things an engineer might have to say with a
straight face... (I think there's a list on the net somewhere)

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Rob 28 January 2005 23:20:53 [ permanent link ]
 "John Smith" <someone@microsoft.­com> wrote in message
news:nYrKd.76905$_5­6.1025@fe2.texas.rr.­com...> Looks almost as bad as last years Williams walrus.. Are the Fiat guys > helping them this year?>
Any links to pictures of theis new wing?

Rob


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Chino Cherokee 29 January 2005 00:23:27 [ permanent link ]
 In article <10vl6ti5ai1nq12@co­rp.supernews.com>,
scottjohnson@tornad­osaregood.planetkc.c­om says...


There was a point between the simple > connect-the-dots designs of the late 80's and now > where F1 cars were curvy and sexy, but currently > they're transgendered strippers with too much body > jewelry.


Agreed, thanks to bizarre new 'rules'....


-Bob

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James Connors 29 January 2005 02:55:31 [ permanent link ]
 Chino Cherokee wrote:
To run the first four races of the 2005 Formula One series:> http://www.f1racing­.net/en/photolarge.p­hp?photoID=39043&cat­ID=1583> http://www.f1racing­.net/en/photolarge.p­hp?photoID=39046&cat­ID=1583> http://www.f1racing­.net/en/photolarge.p­hp?photoID=39050&cat­ID=1583> http://www.f1racing­.net/en/photolarge.p­hp?photoID=39051&cat­ID=1583

Caption contest?

No WAY is this fucker going to understeer.
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Dye 29 January 2005 04:31:56 [ permanent link ]
 In article <35v3oeF4r4kcmU2@in­dividual.net>, Thor <thor__00@yahoo.com­> wrote:>John Smith wrote:>It can be ugly, but it looks that it is the only 'new' thing we are going to>see this year... I missed teh walrus, at least it was different

not a great picture, but

http://autoweek.com­/files/butwait/2004/­0126_butwait.pdf

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Ric Zito 29 January 2005 20:30:39 [ permanent link ]
 Harold Adrian Russell Philby <home.office@kremli­n.co.ru> wrote:
but from the manufacturer of the Dino, the Daytona and the> 575 M?

...Testarossa, F40, F50, Enzo (snigger). Nuff said.
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Harold Adrian Russell Philby 29 January 2005 20:41:22 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:30:39 +0100, ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote:>Harold Adrian Russell Philby <home.office@kremli­n.co.ru> wrote:>> but from the manufacturer of the Dino, the Daytona and the>> 575 M?>
...Testarossa, F40, F50, Enzo (snigger). Nuff said.

Only the latter Testarossa supports your point.

If you can't see the beauty in the others you were raised to believe
MGs were technologically advanced and TVRs are sensuous.

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James Connors 29 January 2005 20:48:19 [ permanent link ]
 ric zito wrote:
....Testarossa, F40, F50, Enzo (snigger). Nuff said.

http://www.wheelkin­etics.com/html/hre/F­errari%20F40%20547.j­pg

What's wrong with an F40?
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Phil Newnham 30 January 2005 00:29:41 [ permanent link ]
 Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:47:58 +0100, ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote:>
Scaglietti...>
Looks good to me, but I haven't pressed my nose against one yet.

I've seen one on the road... I thought I didn't like the 575 much (that
airscoop didn't really do anything for me) but against the 612 it looks
gorgeous.

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Kevin M. Keller 30 January 2005 00:53:00 [ permanent link ]
 James Connors <galianagaliana@hot­mail.com> typed until their fingers bled,
and came up with:

What's wrong with an F40?

After riding in on last year, the only thing wrong with the F40 is taht I
can't afford one.

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Thor 31 January 2005 13:57:30 [ permanent link ]
 Phil Newnham wrote:
It's not so much a case of refined aerodynamics as refined rules - most> of the changes they might choose to make, given a free hand, would> involve putting bodywork where it isn't allowed.>
Yes, but what were the last things we had? The 'Walrus' didn't work. The
double keel is unclear. Maybe be winglets on the sidepods, evolution of the
banned X-wings? when did they appear? 1997? if not we shoudl move back to
the 'shark' nose with teh Tyrrell.... so we shoudl espect something like 2
'big' changes a decade? :(­
--
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Guest 1 February 2005 11:36:09 [ permanent link ]
 I love my pretentious, ugly Testarossa. And my local Ferrari club has
an F-40. And if you find an F-40 offensive, it is truly your loss. I
am fortunate to drive one on occasion, but not enough to own one. It
is a truly intoxicating car.

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Harold Adrian Russell Philby 1 February 2005 19:46:16 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 15:30:35 GMT, Harold Adrian Russell Philby
<home.office@kremli­n.co.ru> wrote:>>I've seen a few GTCs in London, back in the day, and it always looked>>like it should've had a Chevy badge on it.>
Chevy (GM) did indeed steal the window profile and pillar details for>something they called the Monza, a re-bodied Vega with a teeny V-8.

http://monza.homest­ead.com/files/BenCar­lings79Sporthatch.jp­g

Someone did an IMSA silhouette racer on them, iirc.

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Ric Zito 1 February 2005 20:40:47 [ permanent link ]
 Harold Adrian Russell Philby <home.office@kremli­n.co.ru> wrote:
Scaglietti...> >>
Looks good to me, but I haven't pressed my nose against one yet.> >
Bug-eyed, rear overhung, stupid grille, too big, too bourgeois. >
As yet I don't agree at all.

Mandy Rice-Davis? :-)­
Might've> >worked with a three-pointed star on the front, mind you :-)­>
They certainly are moving Maserati that way with the 4-porte based> coupe and spider.

I don't "get" the current Maseratis at all, TBH. Too heavy around the
haunches, too droopy front and rear. Wrong stance, somehow. No amount of
19" alloys and body jewellery can rectify that IMO. They need to go on a
diet, as it were.
It's a crime to put that crap a body over that drivetrain.>
A return to the days of "you're paying for the engine and chassis and> they're throwing in the weather protection for free"?

You know, I honestly don't think the clientele is discerning enough to
know, or care.
I have more if you want :-)­> >> You will still lose.> >"Lose" what?>
The battle of the ugly cars, international division.

Undisputed winner : France.
Runners-up (ex-aequo) : England and the USA
If you can't see the beauty in the others you were raised to believe> >> >> MGs were technologically advanced and TVRs are sensuous.> >> >
The MGA and the original Griffith were both elegantly bodied, if nothing> >> >else.> >>
"...BAH!"> >
Heh heh.>
The MGA was unfinished in design and engineering, and the Griffith in> both design and construction.

I was only concerned with their looks.There's a harmony, simplicity and
balance in the lines and stance of both which was never equalled by
their successors. The MGA could easily have worn an Alfa grille, and the
Griffith might've looked good with a trident on the front (and a V12
under the bonnet)?
--
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ric at pixelligence dot com
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Harold Adrian Russell Philby 5 February 2005 01:34:43 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:40:47 +0100, ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote:>I was only concerned with their looks.There's a harmony, simplicity and>balance in the lines and stance of both which was never equalled by>their successors. The MGA could easily have worn an Alfa grille,

"God drives an Alfa": You will be sent to hell.
and the>Griffith might've looked good with a trident on the front (and a V12>under the bonnet)?

...And you accuse *me* of indiscriminate dipsomania.
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Thor 7 February 2005 21:54:17 [ permanent link ]
 Phil Newnham wrote:
The Walrus wasn't that big a change, though. It might have looked> outlandish but it was an extrapolation of a current design in a>
Yes. But it 'looked' new.
too exciting or new either - if you want cars with bizarre appendages,> look no further than the 70s. The biggest thing in aerodynamics on the>
Not jus aerodynamic, but just a 'new' concept.: pneumatic valvles, berylium,
6-wheels, no clutch pedal, fans, double chassis... some that made the cars
different between them.
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Phil Newnham 7 February 2005 22:47:12 [ permanent link ]
 Thor wrote:> Not jus aerodynamic, but just a 'new' concept.: pneumatic valvles, berylium,> 6-wheels, no clutch pedal, fans, double chassis... some that made the cars> different between them.

These days, the new concepts are mostly stuff you can't see, and that no
one wants to talk about, at least not specifically. Ross Brawn has
referred to Ferrari's advantage as being in transients, during corner
entry and exit, and better understanding of how the suspension behaves,
and how the car handles the instantaneous weight transfer, as well as
some understanding of the aerodynamics. What he hasn't done is explain
their working methods in detail or what they mean by transient
aerodynamic work (which is fairly cutting edge, whether it be F1 or road
cars or planes or anything, because it's difficult to acquire good data
from a moving model).

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Thor 10 February 2005 20:32:10 [ permanent link ]
 Phil Newnham wrote:
These days, the new concepts are mostly stuff you can't see, and that no>
yes.. and sometimes we have just evolution (and not revolution). So far we
have Jordan with those wings before teh sidepods...
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Thor -- Stockholm -- Sverige
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