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Re: End of GPWC?
Phil Newnham 23 January 2005 06:42:13
	Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:33:12 +0000, Phil Newnham> <pnewnhamat@yahoodot.com> wrote:> Who are they? Name two UK based F1 engine manufacturers. Name one major >>F1 engine program with a Brit in charge of it, even.> Duh... Cosworth, who already supply a no-tech V-8 to whom? Cosworth aren't going to be supplying engines in 2006, not to RedBull, anyway - Mateschitz doesn't want them. And unless another team signs up, no one else will either. Can you get a quote (one like Martinelli's would do nicely) from someone at Cosworth, since they were sold, who reckons they have an F1 future? -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Harold Adrian Russell Philby 23 January 2005 20:07:24 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:24:40 +0100, ADDRESS@IN.SIG (ric zito) wrote:>Harold Adrian Russell Philby <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:>> Formula England: IRL with right turns.> You should release a compendium. It would have been a good idea from the start...
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Graham Hodgson 24 January 2005 13:25:13 [ permanent link ]
	Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:> Cosworth, along with ...wait for it, Honda and Toyota, already produce> a no-tech "racing" V-8 which, in all but displacement, bore centers> and crank girdle, already meets the 2006 Formula England engine> regulations So Honda and Toyota are the new bastions of Formula England? Interesting... Cheers Graham
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Frank or is it Jackie ? 26 January 2005 02:01:17 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:42:28 +0100, Doc Knutsen <doc@NOSPAMknutspeed.com> wrote: Ferrari put significantly more sophisticated engines in their>> entry-level road car: Why on earth would they want to dumb-down to>> 1975?> Wow...they're back to mech injected 180 degree three-liter V12s? Sounds>like my kind of machinery....>Doc> I thought your kind of machinery was a carby fed 4 cylinder on steroids ? -- Regards, Frank
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Harold Adrian Russell Philby 26 January 2005 02:14:05 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:42:28 +0100, Doc Knutsen <doc@NOSPAMknutspeed.com> wrote:>> Ferrari put significantly more sophisticated engines in their>> entry-level road car: Why on earth would they want to dumb-down to>> 1975?> Wow...they're back to mech injected 180 degree three-liter V12s? Sounds>like my kind of machinery.... You wish... Their 1975 road V-8, destroked, was all they'll need next year. Hell, as if it wasn't noticed, a destroked museum piece DFV will be all that anyone needs next year. Formula England: Turning the clock back to give them a "champion".
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Harold Adrian Russell Philby 26 January 2005 21:08:59 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:00:26 +0000, Phil Newnham <pnewnhamat@yahoodot.com> wrote:>The most vocal supporter for constraining the technology in the engine? >Ross Brawn (he works for Ferrari, dontcha know). YFI... Learn how to read, FFS.
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Harold Adrian Russell Philby 26 January 2005 22:19:05 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:00:26 +0000, Phil Newnham <pnewnhamat@yahoodot.com> wrote:>The most vocal supporter for constraining the technology in the engine? >Ross Brawn (he works for Ferrari, dontcha know). YFI... Learn how to read, FFS.
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Ian Dalziel 26 January 2005 22:28:17 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:20:21 GMT, Harold Adrian Russell Philby <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote:> YFI. Learn to post, FFS. -- Ian
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Frank or is it Jackie ? 27 January 2005 00:52:56 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:08:59 GMT, Harold Adrian Russell Philby <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote: On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:00:26 +0000, Phil Newnham><pnewnhamat@yahoodot.com> wrote:>>The most vocal supporter for constraining the technology in the engine? >>Ross Brawn (he works for Ferrari, dontcha know).> YFI...> Learn how to read, FFS.> Game set and match.. Phil. -- Regards, Frank
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Doc Knutsen 27 January 2005 21:31:26 [ permanent link ]
	Frank or is it Jackie ? wrote:> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:42:28 +0100, Doc Knutsen> <doc@NOSPAMknutspeed.com> wrote:> Ferrari put significantly more sophisticated engines in their>>>entry-level road car: Why on earth would they want to dumb-down to>>>1975?>> Wow...they're back to mech injected 180 degree three-liter V12s? Sounds>>like my kind of machinery....>>Doc>> I thought your kind of machinery was a carby fed 4 cylinder on> steroids ? A man's gotta dream, right? :0) Doc
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Pete Fenelon 27 January 2005 21:51:45 [ permanent link ]
	Doc Knutsen <doc@nospamknutspeed.com> wrote:>> will be all that anyone needs next year.> Hmmm.......when the DFV was brand new, ie Winter of 67/68, Cosworth > actually did a 2.4 liter DF variant specifically for the Tasman > series... 2.5, the "DFW" ;) and how about converting one of the CART "Chevy" V8s to atmo > specs, and running different fuel...suddenly, it's 1966 again in Formula > One!> Doc Hmmmmm.... well the first DFXs were actually shipped to the states as short-stroke low-compression DFVs, the turbos were only put on them when they got over there ;) pete -- pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas"
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Doc Knutsen 28 January 2005 02:31:35 [ permanent link ]
	Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:34:53 +0100, Doc Knutsen> <doc@NOSPAMknutspeed.com> wrote:> Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:42:28 +0100, Doc Knutsen>>><doc@NOSPAMknutspeed.com> wrote:>>> Ferrari put significantly more sophisticated engines in their>>>>>entry-level road car: Why on earth would they want to dumb-down to>>>>>1975?>>>> Wow...they're back to mech injected 180 degree three-liter V12s? Sounds>>>>like my kind of machinery....>>> You wish... Their 1975 road V-8, destroked, was all they'll need next>>>year. Hell, as if it wasn't noticed, a destroked museum piece DFV>>>will be all that anyone needs next year.>> Hmmm.......when the DFV was brand new, ie Winter of 67/68, Cosworth >>actually did a 2.4 liter DF variant specifically for the Tasman >>series...and how about converting one of the CART "Chevy" V8s to atmo >>specs, and running different fuel...suddenly, it's 1966 again in Formula >>One!> Grand Prix Legends already exists. OK, my proposed entry for the Brave New World of Formula BernieandMax...a Tasman spec Lotus 49, complete mit 2.5 liter DF motor. Doc Formula England: Turning the clock back to give them a "champion".>>
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Pete Fenelon 28 January 2005 03:58:58 [ permanent link ]
	Doc Knutsen <doc@nospamknutspeed.com> wrote:> OK, my proposed entry for the Brave New World of Formula > BernieandMax...a Tasman spec Lotus 49, complete mit 2.5 liter DF motor.> Doc Can I enter a Mildren-Waggott? -- lovely name for a racing car... pete -- pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas"
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Pete Fenelon 28 January 2005 04:06:06 [ permanent link ]
	Doc Knutsen <doc@nospamknutspeed.com> wrote:> For the life of me, I could not remember what Cosworth called their > Tasman DF series engine. DFW reminds me too much of the DFVW, remember that? OH yes..... saw that race. Scary bugger. And who was it that had the Daf with a Chevy in the back? And the Anglia with the Martin V8 in it, which I think David Beard knows quite a lot about? And Tony Sugden's endless succession of "Skodas" - I seem to recall he was in one with Tiga chassis, quite a lot of March F3000 bits, and a 500+bhp Sierra Cosworth engine when he retired.... in his 70s. ;) And of course Big and Baby Bertha. ;) Supersaloons. Can't beat em. Oh, and BTW, did you see the V8 Chevy engined Jaguar XJ6 racer up for > sale at the auction at the NEC? Looked tatty enough to be the one built > by, was it Tony Strawson, in the early Seventies? Tony Strawson I think I associate with the Daf... and while we're thinking, didn't someone put a DFV in the front of a Capri? Colin Hawker? Didn't make it to the NEC this year... I was heading in the opposite direction that weekend, but the East Coast main line wasn't playing ball... Hmmmmm.... well the first DFXs were actually shipped to the states as >> short-stroke low-compression DFVs, the turbos were only put on them when>> they got over there ;)> Yes, but the subsequent Ilmor V8s were much more compact power units > than the DFV, it looks huge in comparison. Yep... you'd expect some development after nearly 20 years -- especially as Ilien and Morgan were in charge of the Cosworth Indy programme and walked out of Cosworth with the complete design for the 256A almost complete -- took it to Roger Penske and the rest is history. It's the engine the Cossie DFS should've been. ;) There were people who were angry about that at Cosworth for a long time. pete -- pete@fenelon.com "there's no room for enigmas in built-up areas"
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