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Bridgestone moaning about lack of testing
Emma 9 May 2005 15:02:35
	From Autosport:- Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their current form is suffering because they cannot test enough. Although Ferrari are the only team not limited to the current 30-day ceiling agreed between the nine other teams, the outfit's tyre supplier Bridgestone are adamant that they are still at a disadvantage compared to Michelin. Bridgestone's head of motorsport tyre development Hirohide Hamashima claims that the number of teams that Michelin can call upon to test, even with each outfit limited to a 30-day limit, has handed the French tyre manufacturer a huge advantage in terms of data. When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in form between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last season, Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is simple: we don't test enough. "They say Ferrari test more than anyone but last winter, when we had only one car at our disposal, there were teams lining up three of them. And besides, our rivals can count on several top teams, so they can improve much faster. "This is particularly decisive this year, with these new regulations. This is why we pushed for an agreement which limited testing in terms of kilometres rather than days." Ferrari did propose a testing limitation to the other teams that involved setting a maximum amount of kilometers that each tyre manufacturer could test for. Rival teams rejected that because the distance would have had to be shared out by the Michelin teams, whereas Ferrari would have been able to conduct most of that work alone for Bridgestone. Despite the problems that Ferrari are suffering, however, Hamashima believes that the only area where the team are weak is in their single lap pace В which has hindered Schumacher's chances of decent grid positions. "The only problem here was the lack of performance in qualifying," said Hamashima. "After that the pace was good for Michael until the retirement." -- Emma - The Chocolate Monster http://www.chocmonster.rules.it http://www.altgallery.shows.it
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Iain Miller 9 May 2005 15:31:47 [ permanent link ]
	"The only problem here was the lack of performance in qualifying," said> Hamashima. "After that the pace was good for Michael until the > retirement." .....caused by Bridgestone's tyres collapsing! I.
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Bigbird 9 May 2005 15:57:13 [ permanent link ]
	Emma wrote:> From Autosport:-> Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and> their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their> current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.> What exactly is stopping them. Although Ferrari are the only team not limited to the current 30-day> ceiling agreed between the nine other teams, the outfit's tyre> supplier Bridgestone are adamant that they are still at a> disadvantage compared to Michelin.> Bridgestone's head of motorsport tyre development Hirohide Hamashima> claims that the number of teams that Michelin can call upon to test,> even with each outfit limited to a 30-day limit, has handed the French> tyre manufacturer a huge advantage in terms of data.> Well why don't they pay Jordan and Minardi to do more testing for them? They can send them on a few 24hr tests at Ferraris private track.
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Phil Newnham 9 May 2005 16:47:25 [ permanent link ]
	Emma wrote:> From Autosport:-> <snip>> When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in form > between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last season, > Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is simple: we > don't test enough.> "They say Ferrari test more than anyone but last winter, when we had > only one car at our disposal, there were teams lining up three of them. > And besides, our rivals can count on several top teams, so they can > improve much faster. Shouldn't they be trying to sign up additional top teams then? Oh wait; they used to supply several top teams, and the others left because the product wasn't good enough for them. So, whose fault is that? -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Bigbird 9 May 2005 16:53:28 [ permanent link ]
	Phil Newnham wrote:> Emma wrote:> > From Autosport:-> > <snip>> > When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in> > form between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last> > season, Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is> > simple: we don't test enough.> > "They say Ferrari test more than anyone but last winter, when we had> > only one car at our disposal, there were teams lining up three of> > them. And besides, our rivals can count on several top teams, so> > they can improve much faster.> Shouldn't they be trying to sign up additional top teams then? Oh> wait; they used to supply several top teams, and the others left> because the product wasn't good enough for them. The reason being they were developing a product specifically for the Ferrari not the other teams. So, whose fault is> that?
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Graham Hodgson 9 May 2005 17:03:25 [ permanent link ]
	Bigbird wrote:> Phil Newnham wrote:> Emma wrote:>> From Autosport:->>><snip>>>>When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in>>>form between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last>>>season, Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is>>>simple: we don't test enough.>>> "They say Ferrari test more than anyone but last winter, when we had>>>only one car at our disposal, there were teams lining up three of>>>them. And besides, our rivals can count on several top teams, so>>>they can improve much faster.>> Shouldn't they be trying to sign up additional top teams then? Oh>>wait; they used to supply several top teams, and the others left>>because the product wasn't good enough for them.> The reason being they were developing a product specifically for the Ferrari > not the other teams. So they're now complaining that other teams aren't helping them design a tyre for Ferrari? Cheers Graham -- Make a little birdhouse in your soul.
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BeeJ 9 May 2005 17:17:22 [ permanent link ]
	Emma wrote:> From Autosport:-> Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and > their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their > current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.> Although Ferrari are the only team not limited to the current 30-day > ceiling agreed between the nine other teams, the outfit's tyre supplier > Bridgestone are adamant that they are still at a disadvantage compared > to Michelin.> Bridgestone's head of motorsport tyre development Hirohide Hamashima > claims that the number of teams that Michelin can call upon to test, > even with each outfit limited to a 30-day limit, has handed the French > tyre manufacturer a huge advantage in terms of data.> When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in form > between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last season, > Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is simple: we > don't test enough.> "They say Ferrari test more than anyone but last winter, when we had > only one car at our disposal, there were teams lining up three of them. > And besides, our rivals can count on several top teams, so they can > improve much faster.> "This is particularly decisive this year, with these new regulations. > This is why we pushed for an agreement which limited testing in terms of > kilometres rather than days."> Ferrari did propose a testing limitation to the other teams that > involved setting a maximum amount of kilometers that each tyre > manufacturer could test for.> Rival teams rejected that because the distance would have had to be > shared out by the Michelin teams, whereas Ferrari would have been able > to conduct most of that work alone for Bridgestone.> Despite the problems that Ferrari are suffering, however, Hamashima > believes that the only area where the team are weak is in their single > lap pace В which has hindered Schumacher's chances of decent grid > positions.> "The only problem here was the lack of performance in qualifying," said > Hamashima. "After that the pace was good for Michael until the retirement."> But if Bridgestone hadn't dicided to make tyres just for Ferrari other teams would not have left for Michelin so this is Bridgestones own fault. -- Remove NOSPAM to get email address "A computer is like an air conditioner: Once you open windows, it stops working." http://www.f1ngers.com - THE unofficial newsgroup of F1
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Iain Miller 9 May 2005 17:50:32 [ permanent link ]
	But if Bridgestone hadn't dicided to make tyres just for Ferrari other > teams would not have left for Michelin so this is Bridgestones own fault. Exactly! I.
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Michael Burke 9 May 2005 18:57:05 [ permanent link ]
	"Emma" <Emma@excalvehs.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:dj39djVLN0fCFAa9@excalvehs.demon.co.uk...> From Autosport:-> Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and > their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their current > form is suffering because they cannot test enough. I kinda reminds one of the old story of the kid who kills his parents and then called on the court for compassion because he is an orphan.
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Neutron 9 May 2005 19:49:18 [ permanent link ]
	"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message news:VLCdnSfBmpGDzeLfRVnytg@pipex.net...> Emma wrote:> > From Autosport:-> > Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and> > their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their> > current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.> > What exactly is stopping them. The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?
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Ped Xing 9 May 2005 20:03:08 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael Burke" <mburke@removeme.cordovabay.com> wrote in news:5TKfe.1293527$6l.1115361@pd7tw2no: I kinda reminds one of the old story of the kid who kills his parents> and then called on the court for compassion because he is an orphan.> I really hope that's apopcryphal! -- Ped Xing
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Bigbird 9 May 2005 20:24:13 [ permanent link ]
	neutron wrote:> "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message> news:VLCdnSfBmpGDzeLfRVnytg@pipex.net...> > Emma wrote:> > > From Autosport:-> > > Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari> > > and their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that> > > their current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.> > > What exactly is stopping them.> The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps? That was their choice. Jordan and Minardi are both top ten teams and very capable of providing data.
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Dave R knows who 9 May 2005 20:40:40 [ permanent link ]
	"neutron" <neutron(not real)@a.b.c.co.uk> wrote in message news:d5o0pu$t50$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...> "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message> news:VLCdnSfBmpGDzeLfRVnytg@pipex.net...>> Emma wrote:>> > From Autosport:->> > Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and>> > their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their>> > current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.>> > What exactly is stopping them.> The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps? And who's fault is that? Bridgestone taught all their customers last year where their loyalty lied.
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Dave R knows who 9 May 2005 20:41:32 [ permanent link ]
	"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message news:RJSdnUm6Jq_awOLfRVnyiA@pipex.net...> Phil Newnham wrote:>> Emma wrote:>> > From Autosport:->> > <snip>>> > When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in>> > form between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last>> > season, Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is>> > simple: we don't test enough.>> > "They say Ferrari test more than anyone but last winter, when we had>> > only one car at our disposal, there were teams lining up three of>> > them. And besides, our rivals can count on several top teams, so>> > they can improve much faster.>> Shouldn't they be trying to sign up additional top teams then? Oh>> wait; they used to supply several top teams, and the others left>> because the product wasn't good enough for them.> The reason being they were developing a product specifically for the > Ferrari not the other teams. Exactly. Bridgestone only have themselves to blame for this. Ferrari should dump them ASAP.
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Neutron 10 May 2005 01:49:53 [ permanent link ]
	"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message news:tY6dnd5_oKU3E-LfRVnysg@pipex.net...> neutron wrote:> > "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message> > news:VLCdnSfBmpGDzeLfRVnytg@pipex.net...> > > Emma wrote:> > > > From Autosport:-> > > > Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari> > > > and their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that> > > > their current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.> > > > What exactly is stopping them.> > The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?> That was their choice. Jordan and Minardi are both top ten teams and very> capable of providing data.> They cant afford to test as much as the top top teams and their cars are slower so do not put the same pressures on the tyres.
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Neutron 10 May 2005 01:51:40 [ permanent link ]
	"Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote in message news:coMfe.1151$T3.9259@typhoon.sonic.net...> "neutron" <neutron(not real)@a.b.c.co.uk> wrote in message> news:d5o0pu$t50$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...> > "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message> > news:VLCdnSfBmpGDzeLfRVnytg@pipex.net...> >> Emma wrote:> >> > From Autosport:-> >> > Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and> >> > their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their> >> > current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.> >> > What exactly is stopping them.> > The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?> And who's fault is that? Bridgestone taught all their customers last year> where their loyalty lied.> Not really. Ferrari was the only top team Bridgestone had last year. The teams that changed did so because they knew Michelin had an advantage.
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Phil Newnham 10 May 2005 02:01:06 [ permanent link ]
	neutron wrote:> "Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote in message> news:coMfe.1151$T3.9259@typhoon.sonic.net...> "neutron" <neutron(not real)@a.b.c.co.uk> wrote in message>>news:d5o0pu$t50$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...>> "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message>>>news:VLCdnSfBmpGDzeLfRVnytg@pipex.net...>>> Emma wrote:>>>> From Autosport:->>>>> Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and>>>>>their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their>>>>>current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.>>>>> What exactly is stopping them.>>> The fact they only have 1 top team to test for them, perhaps?>> And who's fault is that? Bridgestone taught all their customers last year>>where their loyalty lied.>> Not really. Ferrari was the only top team Bridgestone had last year. The> teams that changed did so because they knew Michelin had an advantage. Bridgestone should have worked harder to keep McLaren. That was obvious at the time, and it's still obvious now. And no amount of whinging on their part will fix it. -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Da Frank 10 May 2005 02:29:46 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 9 May 2005 12:02:35 +0100, Emma <Emma@excalvehs.demon.co.uk> wrote: When asked why there appears to have been a dramatic turnaround in form >between Michelin and Bridgestone this year compared to last season, >Hamashima told Gazzetta dello Sport: "The explanation is simple: we >don't test enough.> So last year when Bridgestone had the best tyre by far, the explanation was difficult ? -- Regards, Frank
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Mark IV 10 May 2005 02:58:19 [ permanent link ]
	Emma <Emma@excalvehs.demon.co.uk> scribbled: From Autosport:-> Bridgestone have stepped into the ongoing dispute between Ferrari and> their rival teams over testing limitations by claiming that their> current form is suffering because they cannot test enough.> Although Ferrari are the only team not limited to the current 30-day> ceiling agreed between the nine other teams, the outfit's tyre> supplier Bridgestone are adamant that they are still at a> disadvantage compared to Michelin.> Bridgestone's head of motorsport tyre development Hirohide Hamashima> claims that the number of teams that Michelin can call upon to test,> even with each outfit limited to a 30-day limit, has handed the French> tyre manufacturer a huge advantage in terms of data. Hamashima-San, this is what happens when you put all your eggs in the same basket.
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