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Tyre Wars!
Mr. Metaxa 8 May 2005 23:09:14
	Wouldn't F1 be far better off to retain 2 or 3 tyre suppliers rather than just allow a single supplier? I read somewhere that there would only be one supplier next year, no? It is evident that this added R&D by competitors is making for a more interesting race weekend. Mr. Metaxa
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Ray O'Hara 8 May 2005 23:11:41 [ permanent link ]
	"Mr. Metaxa" <metaxa@metaxa.net> wrote in message news:Xns96509A410D50Aputso@216.196.97.142...> Wouldn't F1 be far better off to retain 2 or 3 tyre suppliers rather than> just allow a single supplier?> I read somewhere that there would only be one supplier next year, no?> It is evident that this added R&D by competitors is making for a more> interesting race weekend.> Mr. Metaxa with one supplier the testing arguments disappears.
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Some Guy 8 May 2005 23:16:04 [ permanent link ]
	Seems the current trend is F1 is eliminating true competitiveness. Using one tire manufacturer speaks to this theme. Next it will be one chassis, one engine, one aero package, all the same. Then the cars will be...one. Can this series get any more boring or fucked up? "Mr. Metaxa" <metaxa@metaxa.net> wrote in message news:Xns96509A410D50Aputso@216.196.97.142...> Wouldn't F1 be far better off to retain 2 or 3 tyre suppliers rather than> just allow a single supplier?> I read somewhere that there would only be one supplier next year, no?> It is evident that this added R&D by competitors is making for a more> interesting race weekend.> Mr. Metaxa
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Mr. Metaxa 8 May 2005 23:30:05 [ permanent link ]
	"ray o'hara" <roh@comcast.net> wrote in news:65OdnXjgmOHw-ePfRVn-ow@comcast.com: "Mr. Metaxa" <metaxa@metaxa.net> wrote in message> news:Xns96509A410D50Aputso@216.196.97.142...>> Wouldn't F1 be far better off to retain 2 or 3 tyre suppliers rather>> than just allow a single supplier?>> I read somewhere that there would only be one supplier next year, no?>> It is evident that this added R&D by competitors is making for a more>> interesting race weekend.>> Mr. Metaxa> with one supplier the testing arguments disappears.> At this rate, testing is a non-issue. Look at Ferrari. They comtinue to test and get nowhere fast. LOL Just kidding. You raised an excellent point. They continue to test apparently outside of an agreement amongst the teams. I have heard that this is not a rule but only an agreement, I stand to be corrected. You have a good point though. Testing in my opinion and the F1 Championship is all about racing first and developing technology to pass on to the consumer market, a close second. If anything, given the rather tumultuous oil prices in the world, I would rather see FIA limit fuel consumption and force the teams to maximize fuel economy and performance before anything else. If they want V-12's go at it. But you only have so much fuel per race... lol Perhaps this is best suited to a different thread. Mr. Metaxa.
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Astraman 8 May 2005 23:31:51 [ permanent link ]
	"Mr. Metaxa" <metaxa@metaxa.net> wrote in message news:Xns96509A410D50Aputso@216.196.97.142...> Wouldn't F1 be far better off to retain 2 or 3 tyre suppliers rather than> just allow a single supplier?> I read somewhere that there would only be one supplier next year, no?> It is evident that this added R&D by competitors is making for a more> interesting race weekend.> Mr. Metaxa Well wouldn't it be better if it was down to the car and driver, rather than the main thing being the tyres????
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Mr. Metaxa 8 May 2005 23:36:06 [ permanent link ]
	"Astraman" <Astraman@ntlworld.com> wrote in news:HOtfe.14706$%K6.13668@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net: "Mr. Metaxa" <metaxa@metaxa.net> wrote in message > news:Xns96509A410D50Aputso@216.196.97.142...>> Wouldn't F1 be far better off to retain 2 or 3 tyre suppliers rather>> than just allow a single supplier?>> I read somewhere that there would only be one supplier next year, no?>> It is evident that this added R&D by competitors is making for a more>> interesting race weekend.>> Mr. Metaxa> Well wouldn't it be better if it was down to the car and driver,> rather than the main thing being the tyres???? > Car and driver and tyres. It's all part of the game, just like the pit stops. Pit stops are another added factor into the equation. If we wanted to make the racing more generic, why not eliminate pit stops entirely and make them run with a full load of fuel to go through the race? There would be no end to it IMHO and it would make for boring racing. Pit stops in my opinion are just as much about the race and involves the team. If we wanted to determine only the best driver, there would be a Stock Car category and everyone gets the same. If we wanted to determine the best car, looking at it simplisticly, we could have the same driver take out all the different cars in succession and determine which one had the best time. Mr. Metaxa
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Mr. Metaxa 8 May 2005 23:40:10 [ permanent link ]
	"Some Guy" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in news:Fztfe.4424$B82.142957@news20.bellglobal.com: Seems the current trend is F1 is eliminating true competitiveness.> Using one tire manufacturer speaks to this theme. Next it will be one> chassis, one engine, one aero package, all the same. Then the cars> will be...one. > Can this series get any more boring or fucked up?> Agreed. And that is my point. I won't get into the argument as to whether MS could have managed his tyres better or not, because I don't know anything about tyre manufacturing etc. Bridgestone is far better qualified to judge that than I. Clearly though, the tyre war had a very large impact on the results today. Mr. Metaxa "Mr. Metaxa" <metaxa@metaxa.net> wrote in message > news:Xns96509A410D50Aputso@216.196.97.142...>> Wouldn't F1 be far better off to retain 2 or 3 tyre suppliers rather>> than just allow a single supplier?>> I read somewhere that there would only be one supplier next year, no?>> It is evident that this added R&D by competitors is making for a more>> interesting race weekend.>> Mr. Metaxa >
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Some Guy 8 May 2005 23:43:38 [ permanent link ]
	"Mr. Metaxa" <metaxa@metaxa.net> wrote in message news:Xns96509ECED8DDBputso@216.196.97.142...> "Astraman" <Astraman@ntlworld.com> wrote in> news:HOtfe.14706$%K6.13668@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net:> "Mr. Metaxa" <metaxa@metaxa.net> wrote in message>> news:Xns96509A410D50Aputso@216.196.97.142...>>> Wouldn't F1 be far better off to retain 2 or 3 tyre suppliers rather>>> than just allow a single supplier?>>> I read somewhere that there would only be one supplier next year, no?>>> It is evident that this added R&D by competitors is making for a more>>> interesting race weekend.>>> Mr. Metaxa>> Well wouldn't it be better if it was down to the car and driver,>> rather than the main thing being the tyres????>> Car and driver and tyres. It's all part of the game, just like the pit> stops. Pit stops are another added factor into the equation. If we> wanted to make the racing more generic, why not eliminate pit stops> entirely and make them run with a full load of fuel to go through the> race?> There would be no end to it IMHO and it would make for boring racing.> Pit stops in my opinion are just as much about the race and involves the> team.> If we wanted to determine only the best driver, there would be a Stock> Car category and everyone gets the same.> If we wanted to determine the best car, looking at it simplisticly, we> could have the same driver take out all the different cars in succession> and determine which one had the best time.> Mr. Metaxa This nonsense was thoroughly hashed out last season and we ended up back here hashing it out again. F1 should look to other racing series for direction. Pitstops can never be eliminated because an F1 car hauling enough fuel for an entire race + qualifying would be little more than a fast gasoline tanker. Why not take the wraps off and have very few rules and let the teams have at it. The more rules that are put in place, the more avenues for cheating. Just look at BAR for a fine example. Fewer rules, get rid of BE and allow any tire, changed as many times in a weekend as the budget allows. Let the Kraft Dinner teams wither and die.
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Martin Tцrnsten 9 May 2005 00:35:37 [ permanent link ]
	Captain's log. On StarDate sц, 08 maj 2005 19:50:51 GMT received comm from "Hornplayer9599" <sbostwick@aol.com> on channel rec.autos.sport.f1: Yes, there was a "gentleman's agreement" to limit the number of days a> team could test. Ferrari never agreed to this limit. IIRC, Ferrari> did suggest a limit to the amount of test milage, but not to a limit of> days testing. The other teams insisted on a limit of test days, so> Ferrari declined to participate in the agreement. In that case I don't see any problem with it. They should be able to go on with testing as much as they want. martin tцrnsten -- http://martin.tornsten.com/
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Ian Dalziel 9 May 2005 01:21:58 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 8 May 2005 15:43:38 -0400, "Some Guy" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote: Pitstops can never be >eliminated because an F1 car hauling enough fuel for an entire race + >qualifying would be little more than a fast gasoline tanker. When did you start watching? Five minutes ago? They used to run non-stop - and for twice the race length they do now. -- Ian
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Brian Lawrence 9 May 2005 03:16:22 [ permanent link ]
	"Mr. Metaxa" <metaxa@metaxa.net> wrote: Wouldn't F1 be far better off to retain 2 or 3 tyre suppliers rather than> just allow a single supplier?> I read somewhere that there would only be one supplier next year, no? No. It's seen as a good idea, but there is no plan to actually make any change in the forseeable future. It is evident that this added R&D by competitors is making for a more> interesting race weekend. -- Brian
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Bigbird 9 May 2005 15:10:10 [ permanent link ]
	Hornplayer9599 wrote:> Martin Tцrnsten wrote:> > Captain's log. On StarDate sц, 08 maj 2005 19:50:51 GMT received> > comm from "Hornplayer9599" <sbostwick@aol.com> on channel> > rec.autos.sport.f1:> > Yes, there was a "gentleman's agreement" to limit the number of> > > days a team could test. Ferrari never agreed to this limit.> > > IIRC, Ferrari did suggest a limit to the amount of test milage,> > > but not to a limit of days testing. The other teams insisted on> > > a limit of test days, so Ferrari declined to participate in the> > > agreement.> > In that case I don't see any problem with it.> > They should be able to go on with testing as much as they want.> > martin tцrnsten> > --> > http://martin.tornsten.com/> No argument here....was just posting what I knew (which isn't much). Ferrrari have tested for both more days and more mileage than any other teams which goes to show how serious they were about there mileage suggestion. They could have suggested and equivalent mileage in the spirit of the agreement and agreed not to exceed it, but they didn't. If they had made a mileage based agreement (which was nothing but a bluff) they would have broken it by now, no question. The other nine have handed Ferrari a golden opportunity to play catch up. More fool them? or at least the ones who can afford to test. NB. Testing is about more than just tyres.
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Bigbird 9 May 2005 15:37:39 [ permanent link ]
	Some Guy wrote:> "Mr. Metaxa" <metaxa@metaxa.net> wrote in message> news:Xns96509ECED8DDBputso@216.196.97.142...> > "Astraman" <Astraman@ntlworld.com> wrote in> > news:HOtfe.14706$%K6.13668@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net:> > "Mr. Metaxa" <metaxa@metaxa.net> wrote in message> > > news:Xns96509A410D50Aputso@216.196.97.142...> > > > Wouldn't F1 be far better off to retain 2 or 3 tyre suppliers> > > > rather than just allow a single supplier?> > > > I read somewhere that there would only be one supplier next> > > > year, no? It is evident that this added R&D by competitors is making > > > > for> > > > a more interesting race weekend.> > > > Mr. Metaxa> > > Well wouldn't it be better if it was down to the car and driver,> > > rather than the main thing being the tyres????> > > Car and driver and tyres. It's all part of the game, just like the> > pit stops. Pit stops are another added factor into the equation. If> > we wanted to make the racing more generic, why not eliminate pit> > stops entirely and make them run with a full load of fuel to go> > through the race?> > There would be no end to it IMHO and it would make for boring> > racing. Pit stops in my opinion are just as much about the race and> > involves the team.> > If we wanted to determine only the best driver, there would be a> > Stock Car category and everyone gets the same.> > If we wanted to determine the best car, looking at it simplisticly,> > we could have the same driver take out all the different cars in> > succession and determine which one had the best time.> > Mr. Metaxa> This nonsense was thoroughly hashed out last season and we ended up> back here hashing it out again.> F1 should look to other racing series for direction. Pitstops can> never be eliminated because an F1 car hauling enough fuel for an> entire race + qualifying would be little more than a fast gasoline> tanker. Why not take the wraps off and have very few rules and let> the teams have at it. The more rules that are put in place, the more> avenues for cheating. Just look at BAR for a fine example.> Fewer rules, get rid of BE and allow any tire, changed as many times> in a weekend as the budget allows. Let the Kraft Dinner teams wither> and die. Are you two twins? You both seem remarkably badly informed. MMs experiment this year has been a partial failure. Perhaps the main reason for this is the lack of emphasis on decreasing aerodynamic influence or perhaps not. F1 has evloved so far and so fast that no-one knows quite what formula will allow overtaking. If you read MMs press conference you will see he thinks slicks and significantly less downforce maybe the way to go. The idea of throwing out the rules is plainly ridiculous. First you need to understand why the rules exist. Re-writing them may be the way to go but isn't that what they are trying to do for 2008 (but no-one is playing ball because the "twins" have put their nose out of joint by doing a deal with Ferrari or something like that). Have a read of MMs views over on www.formula1.com then at least you can make an informed comment. BE seems obssessed with shortcuts to putting bums on seats (in front of the TV), if he would look a little further ahead and realise that concentrating on improving the racing on Sunday rather than farting about with qualifying will do this everyone would be better off IMO. QHWIM
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