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CarGuru > Formula-1 > FIA press conference - Max Mosley 8 May 2005 23:54:50

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FIA press conference - Max Mosley
Bigbird 7 May 2005 23:41:09
	<http://www.formula1.com/race/news/2971/736.html> Of no interest to most of the posters here but one or two might like to have a butchers.
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Bumble Bee Boy 2 8 May 2005 00:00:43 [ permanent link ]
	"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message news:Ns-dnXLDiJtLhODfRVnyvg@pipex.net...> <http://www.formula1.com/race/news/2971/736.html>> Of no interest to most of the posters here but one or two might like to > have a butchers. Very interesting! An initial part that struck me... "Now the qualifying is, in my view, a mistake. It was proposed by, with all fairness to him, our commercial rights holder, Bernie Ecclestone, it was his idea, and the idea was that this would be good for the television on Sunday morning, and on that basis it was let through." I didn't realise it was Bernies idea. The questions from the floor, covering the BAR cheating, are quite insightful too. Max Bumbsley
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Ray O'Hara 8 May 2005 00:32:20 [ permanent link ]
	"Bumble Bee Boy 2" <bumblebeeboy2@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:3e4l39F16pooU1@individual.net...> "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message> news:Ns-dnXLDiJtLhODfRVnyvg@pipex.net...> > <http://www.formula1.com/race/news/2971/736.html>> > Of no interest to most of the posters here but one or two might like to> > have a butchers.> Very interesting! An initial part that struck me...> "Now the qualifying is, in my view, a mistake. It was proposed by, with fairness to him, our commercial rights holder, Bernie Ecclestone, it was idea, and the idea was that this would be good for the television on Sunday> morning, and on that basis it was let through."> I didn't realise it was Bernies idea.> The questions from the floor, covering the BAR cheating, are quite> insightful too.> Max Bumbsley> funny that he took a slap at bernie, is he positioning himself for future events like a big split in 2008? and he almost sounds reasonable , he double talks like the politician he is.
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Brian 8 May 2005 01:46:36 [ permanent link ]
	"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message news:Ns-dnXLDiJtLhODfRVnyvg@pipex.net...> <http://www.formula1.com/race/news/2971/736.html>> Of no interest to most of the posters here but one or two might like to have> a butchers.> Butchers ???? are you a northern monkey. horrid thing.
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Bumble Bee Boy 2 8 May 2005 02:02:45 [ permanent link ]
	"Brian" <Brianspanblueyondere@BrianSpamblueyonderremove.com> wrote in message news:d5jcvs$q2l$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...> "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message> news:Ns-dnXLDiJtLhODfRVnyvg@pipex.net...>> <http://www.formula1.com/race/news/2971/736.html>>> Of no interest to most of the posters here but one or two might like to> have>> a butchers.>> Butchers ???? are you a northern monkey. horrid thing.> Don't associate him with us Northerners! And I'd have thought butchers was a southerners term? We don't use it round here mate! Bumble Monkey Boy 2
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Ian Dalziel 8 May 2005 04:49:04 [ permanent link ]
	On 7 May 2005 13:27:15 -0700, "Hornplayer9599" <sbostwick@aol.com> wrote: I was under the>impression that under the C.A. the FIA could make decisions by fiat>... in "the best interest of the sport". Only on safety grounds, I think. -- Ian
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Gd 8 May 2005 07:19:20 [ permanent link ]
	Ian Dalziel <iandalziel@lineone.net> wrote in news:qeoq71humfk52q89b7r9bo1f3rvgsstjuo@4ax.com: On 7 May 2005 13:27:15 -0700, "Hornplayer9599" <sbostwick@aol.com>> wrote:> I was under the>>impression that under the C.A. the FIA could make decisions by fiat>>... in "the best interest of the sport".> Only on safety grounds, I think. Perhaps, although I'm fairly sure that only applies to the technical regulations. See clause 7 and 8. http://www.concordeagreement.com/ However, the qualifying scenario is part of the Sporting Regulations, so its possible the FIA have more rights there.
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Bigbird 8 May 2005 09:18:44 [ permanent link ]
	Bumble Bee Boy 2 wrote:> "Brian" <Brianspanblueyondere@BrianSpamblueyonderremove.com> wrote in> message news:d5jcvs$q2l$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...> > "Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message> > news:Ns-dnXLDiJtLhODfRVnyvg@pipex.net...> > > <http://www.formula1.com/race/news/2971/736.html>> > > Of no interest to most of the posters here but one or two might> > > like to have a butchers.> > > Butchers ???? are you a northern monkey. horrid thing.> > Don't associate him with us Northerners! And I'd have thought> butchers was a southerners term? We don't use it round here mate!> "Butchers hook" indeed - rhyming slang. Well I shan't retaliate with a knock about Northerners. I would like as be insulting me own kin given the number of ladies from up north I shagged silly in my youth. It was as if they thought they had a duty to expand the northern gene pool. Amazing what you could get for a bag of chips and a savaloy in those days.
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Scott 8 May 2005 19:31:17 [ permanent link ]
	"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message news:Ns-dnXLDiJtLhODfRVnyvg@pipex.net> <http://www.formula1.com/race/news/2971/736.html>> Of no interest to most of the posters here but one or two might> like to have a butchers. Interesting. A couple of points (after having read both MM's press conference and BAR's submission). In response to Michael Schmidt's question, MM replies "They’ve been pumping out for years" and that everyone in the pit lane knows that's the only way to ensure the weight is ok. But then in the BAR submission, Craig Wilson, Geoff Willis and Mark Ellis said they have never in their experience known the FIA to completely drain a car of fuel to weigh it, even when it was near the weight limit. So who's telling porkies then? Also, about the "is it empty" ... "yes" item that MM speaks of, it seems a bit dodgy. In the BAR submissions they say that the Steward asked for a normal "lifted out pump" to be used, and when it was completed asked "is that it?", the fuel bowser guy replied "yes". Seems like the BAR guy was bending the rules a bit by just replying "yes", when he knew (presumably) that there was still some fuel left in there (just that it couldn't be got at with the pump the FIA guy had asked for). Although I guess being an "official steward" he should ask better worded questions than "is that it?". Oh well, I think in future if any car is weighed below (say) 610kg, they should pump all the fuel out, I wonder why they didn't always do this before? I mean some cars must have weighed in at 601kg or something after the race in the past. So, I wonder how many teams added a bit more ballast to their cars today?
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Bumble Bee Boy 2 8 May 2005 20:18:24 [ permanent link ]
	"Bigbird" <BigBird.usenet@REMTHSgmail.com> wrote in message news:ZLOdnf-_bt6qPODfRVnygw@pipex.net...> "Butchers hook" indeed - rhyming slang.> Well I shan't retaliate with a knock about Northerners. I would like as be > insulting me own kin given the number of ladies from up north I shagged > silly in my youth. It was as if they thought they had a duty to expand the > northern gene pool. Amazing what you could get for a bag of chips and a > savaloy in those days. Don't talk about my mum like that again! Bumble
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Racefan_Dan 8 May 2005 22:53:05 [ permanent link ]
	"scott" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message news:9hqfe.26002$5A3.2421@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...> In response to Michael Schmidt's question, MM replies "They’ve been > pumping out for years" and that everyone in the pit lane knows that's the > only way to ensure the weight is ok. But then in the BAR submission, > Craig Wilson, Geoff Willis and Mark Ellis said they have never in their > experience known the FIA to completely drain a car of fuel to weigh it, > even when it was near the weight limit. So who's telling porkies then? There is an easy way to conclude that the BAR boys are telling the truth about 'never seen them request a full drain' before: Mr de Groot and Jo Bauer were not aware of the 'hose tool' that BAR had to suck up all the fuel in that compartment. They suggested pumping it (in an open state.. dangerous), and then they suggested using a syringe to suck it out, even requesting a measuring jug to put the 'new found' fuel in. Both men are experienced and have been around for who knows how long - if 'removing ALL the fuel' been performed even once before, they would have known the best way to drain it and would have requested BAR to bring along the hose tool with them to Park Ferme. (BAR suggested the tool when they realized the FIA guys had no clue what they were doing - as I'm sure any team in that situation would have).
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Jeff York 8 May 2005 22:58:53 [ permanent link ]
	"Racefan_Dan" <Race_news@focusit.cjb.net> wrote: "scott" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message >news:9hqfe.26002$5A3.2421@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...>> In response to Michael Schmidt's question, MM replies "TheyВ’ve been >> pumping out for years" and that everyone in the pit lane knows that's the >> only way to ensure the weight is ok. But then in the BAR submission, >> Craig Wilson, Geoff Willis and Mark Ellis said they have never in their >> experience known the FIA to completely drain a car of fuel to weigh it, >> even when it was near the weight limit. So who's telling porkies then?> There is an easy way to conclude that the BAR boys are telling the truth >about 'never seen them request a full drain' before:> Mr de Groot and Jo Bauer were not aware of the 'hose tool' that BAR had to >suck up all the fuel in that compartment. They suggested pumping it (in an >open state.. dangerous), and then they suggested using a syringe to suck it >out, even requesting a measuring jug to put the 'new found' fuel in. Both >men are experienced and have been around for who knows how long - if >'removing ALL the fuel' been performed even once before, they would have >known the best way to drain it and would have requested BAR to bring along >the hose tool with them to Park Ferme. (BAR suggested the tool when they >realized the FIA guys had no clue what they were doing - as I'm sure any >team in that situation would have). I find it more-than-a-tad worrying that one of the stewards, Mr Gutjarh, should appear to be so technically inept as to be surprised that there was fuel still in the collector system - of a car that had just been driven to its parking place! -- Jeff. Ironbridge, Shrops, U.K. jeff@xjackfieldx.org (remove the x..x round jackfield for return address) and don't bother with ralf4, it's a spamtrap and I never go there.. ... "There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea.." Henry James, (1843 - 1916).
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Doc Knutsen 8 May 2005 23:30:23 [ permanent link ]
	Jeff York wrote:> "Racefan_Dan" <Race_news@focusit.cjb.net> wrote:> "scott" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message >>news:9hqfe.26002$5A3.2421@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...>> In response to Michael Schmidt's question, MM replies "TheyвЂ™ve been >>>pumping out for years" and that everyone in the pit lane knows that's the >>>only way to ensure the weight is ok. But then in the BAR submission, >>>Craig Wilson, Geoff Willis and Mark Ellis said they have never in their >>>experience known the FIA to completely drain a car of fuel to weigh it, >>>even when it was near the weight limit. So who's telling porkies then?>> There is an easy way to conclude that the BAR boys are telling the truth >>about 'never seen them request a full drain' before:>> Mr de Groot and Jo Bauer were not aware of the 'hose tool' that BAR had to >>suck up all the fuel in that compartment. They suggested pumping it (in an >>open state.. dangerous), and then they suggested using a syringe to suck it >>out, even requesting a measuring jug to put the 'new found' fuel in. Both >>men are experienced and have been around for who knows how long - if >>'removing ALL the fuel' been performed even once before, they would have >>known the best way to drain it and would have requested BAR to bring along >>the hose tool with them to Park Ferme. (BAR suggested the tool when they >>realized the FIA guys had no clue what they were doing - as I'm sure any >>team in that situation would have). > I find it more-than-a-tad worrying that one of the stewards, Mr> Gutjarh, should appear to be so technically inept as to be surprised> that there was fuel still in the collector system - of a car that had> just been driven to its parking place! ..shades of Smokey Yunick, was it not, who once had his NASCAR automobile ripped to bits by the NASCAR tech boffins, including removing the fuel tank....claiming they had found 20 illegalities in the car...whereupon the intrepid driver said "make that 21" and fired up his fuel-tank-less machine, and proceeded to drive away.... Doc
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