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Why aren't these standard equipment by now?

Guest 16 April 2005 10:22:07
 First and foremost I'm not posting this in the Ford newsgroup in order
to discriminate against any particular make for shortcomings as all
Brands of Autos suffer from the same problems that I'm going to bring
forward.


#1 Oversized transmission cooler with low pressure bypass valve for
driving in hot weather, towing, hilly terrain, etc.

#2 Magnetic filters for transmission, motor, radiator, and power
steering fluids.

#3 Bypass oil filters used in conjunction with the already standard
flow through filters. FILTERS NEED TO BE LOCATED IN A CONVENIENT
LOCATION FOR EASY REPLACEMENT!!!

#4 Oil coolers for cars with and without superchargers or
turbochargers. (After all, when the motor oil gets too hot it will
break down and this will wear out the engine rapidly.)

#5 External spin-on transmission filters instead of internal for
easier replacement.

#6 Oil sump pans with louvers/air veins on them for increased oil
cooling.

#7 Oil change reminders on dashboard that uses a computer w/sensors in
order to decide once oil is contaminated enough to warrant changing -
it also would need a 500 mile warning ahead of time in case your on a
long distance trip. (GM already uses something like this on all of
it's cars and it has saved millions of tons of crude oil.)

#8 Low Oil Level warning lights. The Low oil pressure warning lights
simply are not enough. By the time pressure drops too low it's already
too late and engine damage has already occurred in some shape or form.
(Most motorists are stupid and never check their oil level.)

#9 An extra electric cooling fan pointed at the alternator in case
it's tucked away in such a way that it doesn't get enough cool air flow
inside the engine bay.

#10 FOG LIGHTS STANDARD

#11 Purple warning/hazard lights that flash just like the
Hazard/Safety lights that are already standard. These purple warning
lights warn other motorists that YOU or ME as a driver is somewhat
compromised but are still needing to continue driving only with extra
caution. EXAMPLE: Sudden downpour and I or YOU happen to have tires
that are worn or not suited for wet season. Or wiper blades happen to
be old and don't clear the windshield, OR defroster is not working
properly all of a sudden. Or let's say we I or YOU had a flat tire and
so now were driving on a donut sized tire on a major interstate in
Nevada where big rigs want to go 85+MPH while ME or YOU are forced to
go 55 - 60 mph because the donut spares are only rated for 55 MPH tops,
going faster MAY damage the cars differential. (These purple warning
lights show other drivers that the compromised driver is being extra
careful and so if they are driving a little slow than the lights add to
the needed communication for other motorists to go around when it's
safe to do so.) On the road, communication is the key for safety! We
need more warning lights than the standard safety flashers, it couldn't
be more obvious.

#12 FULL SIZE SPARE TIRE W/a warning dash light that goes off if the
spare tire for some reason becomes under inflated while it's stored
under the trunk bed.

#13 Warning dash light for under inflated tires. I have seen too many
motorists on the road driving around on under inflated tires. 5 times
out of 10 the tires explode while I'm driving close enough to witness
it happen - just like watching a horror movie. On light truck on up,
tires explode when under inflated. On passenger cars they are less
likely to fail but they do have thread separation which is still
dangerous only not as bad as a blowout.

#14 The option for motorist that know how to properly maintain their
cars in the first place to be able to buy their cars new without all
the idiot lights in order to not have to pay as much as the motorists
that don't know the difference between a cam shaft and a drive shaft.
Motorists need to be able to pass a maintenance competency test and if
they do poorly on it, they need to drive the "dummy" car by law or face
a stiff penalty. This should eliminate 90% of all the broken down cars
on the road that cause more accidents, bottle necks, and traffic
fatalities & injuries.

#15 Foldable side mirrors mandatory. Motorists should be required to
fold in their mirrors (both of them) when parallel parked. This
protects bicyclists on the road and pedestrians on the sidewalk. This
also helps improve auto traffic safety because side view mirrors are
one less obstacle on the road to worry about.

#16 All vehicles need to be required to have under armor. In other
words, steel plates/shields need to be installed beneath the
undercarriage stock by the factory. This will protect the fuel line,
fuel filter, and gas tank(s) from rupturing from road debris and other
road hazards. Vehicles made with gas tanks in unsafe locations by the
manufacturer should be banned from being sold in North America. Gas
tanks need to be made as "fuel cells" like the ones used on racetracks,
strong, sturdy, and impenetrable. The under armor will also protect
the brake lines from rupturing from road debris further protecting
against failed brakes and sudden loss of brake pressure.

#17 Front and Rear sway bars mandatory

#18 Rollover bar(s) mandatory on all cars integrated into the roof and
body/chassis so in most cars it wouldn't be obvious

#19 Disc brakes front and BACK mandatory

#20 Engine block/oil heaters mandatory with both plug in and timer
that runs off of the cars SECOND battery for the purpose. This would
save fuel as the engine would already be preheated and this would
increase longevity.

And #21 Electric oil pump on timer to lubricate engine before start up
each morning. Used in conjunction with engine block heater.


If all of the above could be done in a reasonable amount of time
traffic fatalities would go down 80% guaranteed. Cars would have an
average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.

It's just like buying more expensive furniture instead of the cheap
stuff the breaks easily. With the more expensive furniture you can
keep them longer and they stay nice longer. In the long term you save
lots of money despite the initial higher cost.

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MasterBlaster 16 April 2005 16:00:19 permanent link ]
 
<eastwardbound2003@­yahoo.com> wrote

...a whole lotta stuff.
average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.

Where do you go for service? Back to the dealer? Sorry, he went out
of business 29 years ago. Everybody bought the "long-life" cars that
never broke, so he had to fire all the mechanics. The cars were so
expensive because of all the fancy stuff they were made to install
that nobody could afford to buy another, so he fired all the salesmen.
Sales came to a standstill, and they didn't order more cars, so the
manufacturers fired all the assembly workers and closed down.
Thanks. You just put an entire industry out of work.

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Backyard Mechanic 16 April 2005 17:15:04 permanent link ]
 MasterBlaster opined in news:n778e.41267$jR­3.33596@edtnps84:
<eastwardbound2003@­yahoo.com> wrote>
...a whole lotta stuff.>
average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.>
Where do you go for service? Back to the dealer? Sorry, he went out> of business 29 years ago. Everybody bought the "long-life" cars that > never broke, so he had to fire all the mechanics. The cars were so > expensive because of all the fancy stuff they were made to install> that nobody could afford to buy another, so he fired all the salesmen. > Sales came to a standstill, and they didn't order more cars, so the > manufacturers fired all the assembly workers and closed down.> Thanks. You just put an entire industry out of work.>

Besides which....

CARS LAST MUCH LONGER NOW THAN THEY DID JUST 20 YEARS AGO, and it''s longer
than ten years if any maintenance was done on them

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Tom Adkins 16 April 2005 17:58:10 permanent link ]
 I love it! A car for lazy, stupid people. "Here's your sign...."


eastwardbound2003@y­ahoo.com wrote:> First and foremost I'm not posting this in the Ford newsgroup in order> to discriminate against any particular make for shortcomings as all> Brands of Autos suffer from the same problems that I'm going to bring> forward.>
(Big Snip)>
If all of the above could be done in a reasonable amount of time> traffic fatalities would go down 80% guaranteed. Cars would have an> average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.>
It's just like buying more expensive furniture instead of the cheap> stuff the breaks easily. With the more expensive furniture you can> keep them longer and they stay nice longer. In the long term you save> lots of money despite the initial higher cost.>
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Scott 16 April 2005 18:38:45 permanent link ]
 
<eastwardbound2003@­yahoo.com> wrote in message
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If all of the above could be done in a reasonable amount of time> traffic fatalities would go down 80% guaranteed. Cars would have an> average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.


Your car wouldn't last any longer. Your wife would still ignore the
idiot light.


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Spike 16 April 2005 19:33:01 permanent link ]
 Someone who obviously has little idea how the world works wants to
throw a wrench in there and watch the dominoes begin to fall.

On 15 Apr 2005 23:22:07 -0700, eastwardbound2003@y­ahoo.com wrote:
First and foremost I'm not posting this in the Ford newsgroup in order>to discriminate against any particular make for shortcomings as all>Brands of Autos suffer from the same problems that I'm going to bring>forward.>
#1 Oversized transmission cooler with low pressure bypass valve for>driving in hot weather, towing, hilly terrain, etc.>
#2 Magnetic filters for transmission, motor, radiator, and power>steering fluids.>
#3 Bypass oil filters used in conjunction with the already standard>flow through filters. FILTERS NEED TO BE LOCATED IN A CONVENIENT>LOCATION­ FOR EASY REPLACEMENT!!!>
#4 Oil coolers for cars with and without superchargers or>turbochargers. (After all, when the motor oil gets too hot it will>break down and this will wear out the engine rapidly.)>
#5 External spin-on transmission filters instead of internal for>easier replacement.>
#6 Oil sump pans with louvers/air veins on them for increased oil>cooling.>
#7 Oil change reminders on dashboard that uses a computer w/sensors in>order to decide once oil is contaminated enough to warrant changing ->it also would need a 500 mile warning ahead of time in case your on a>long distance trip. (GM already uses something like this on all of>it's cars and it has saved millions of tons of crude oil.)>
#8 Low Oil Level warning lights. The Low oil pressure warning lights>simply are not enough. By the time pressure drops too low it's already>too late and engine damage has already occurred in some shape or form.>(Most motorists are stupid and never check their oil level.)>
#9 An extra electric cooling fan pointed at the alternator in case>it's tucked away in such a way that it doesn't get enough cool air flow>inside the engine bay.>
#10 FOG LIGHTS STANDARD>
#11 Purple warning/hazard lights that flash just like the>Hazard/Safety lights that are already standard. These purple warning>lights warn other motorists that YOU or ME as a driver is somewhat>compromise­d but are still needing to continue driving only with extra>caution. EXAMPLE: Sudden downpour and I or YOU happen to have tires>that are worn or not suited for wet season. Or wiper blades happen to>be old and don't clear the windshield, OR defroster is not working>properly all of a sudden. Or let's say we I or YOU had a flat tire and>so now were driving on a donut sized tire on a major interstate in>Nevada where big rigs want to go 85+MPH while ME or YOU are forced to>go 55 - 60 mph because the donut spares are only rated for 55 MPH tops,>going faster MAY damage the cars differential. (These purple warning>lights show other drivers that the compromised driver is being extra>careful and so if they are driving a little slow than the lights add to>the needed communication for other motorists to go around when it's>safe to do so.) On the road, communication is the key for safety! We>need more warning lights than the standard safety flashers, it couldn't>be more obvious.>
#12 FULL SIZE SPARE TIRE W/a warning dash light that goes off if the>spare tire for some reason becomes under inflated while it's stored>under the trunk bed.>
#13 Warning dash light for under inflated tires. I have seen too many>motorists on the road driving around on under inflated tires. 5 times>out of 10 the tires explode while I'm driving close enough to witness>it happen - just like watching a horror movie. On light truck on up,>tires explode when under inflated. On passenger cars they are less>likely to fail but they do have thread separation which is still>dangerous only not as bad as a blowout.>
#14 The option for motorist that know how to properly maintain their>cars in the first place to be able to buy their cars new without all>the idiot lights in order to not have to pay as much as the motorists>that don't know the difference between a cam shaft and a drive shaft.>Motorists need to be able to pass a maintenance competency test and if>they do poorly on it, they need to drive the "dummy" car by law or face>a stiff penalty. This should eliminate 90% of all the broken down cars>on the road that cause more accidents, bottle necks, and traffic>fatalities & injuries.>
#15 Foldable side mirrors mandatory. Motorists should be required to>fold in their mirrors (both of them) when parallel parked. This>protects bicyclists on the road and pedestrians on the sidewalk. This>also helps improve auto traffic safety because side view mirrors are>one less obstacle on the road to worry about.>
#16 All vehicles need to be required to have under armor. In other>words, steel plates/shields need to be installed beneath the>undercarriage stock by the factory. This will protect the fuel line,>fuel filter, and gas tank(s) from rupturing from road debris and other>road hazards. Vehicles made with gas tanks in unsafe locations by the>manufacturer should be banned from being sold in North America. Gas>tanks need to be made as "fuel cells" like the ones used on racetracks,>strong,­ sturdy, and impenetrable. The under armor will also protect>the brake lines from rupturing from road debris further protecting>against failed brakes and sudden loss of brake pressure.>
#17 Front and Rear sway bars mandatory>
#18 Rollover bar(s) mandatory on all cars integrated into the roof and>body/chassis so in most cars it wouldn't be obvious>
#19 Disc brakes front and BACK mandatory>
#20 Engine block/oil heaters mandatory with both plug in and timer>that runs off of the cars SECOND battery for the purpose. This would>save fuel as the engine would already be preheated and this would>increase longevity.>
And #21 Electric oil pump on timer to lubricate engine before start up>each morning. Used in conjunction with engine block heater.>
If all of the above could be done in a reasonable amount of time>traffic fatalities would go down 80% guaranteed. Cars would have an>average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.>
It's just like buying more expensive furniture instead of the cheap>stuff the breaks easily. With the more expensive furniture you can>keep them longer and they stay nice longer. In the long term you save>lots of money despite the initial higher cost.

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Jacob Suter 16 April 2005 21:29:39 permanent link ]
 Backyard Mechanic wrote:> MasterBlaster opined in news:n778e.41267$jR­3.33596@edtnps84:>
<eastwardbound200­3@yahoo.com> wrote>>
...a whole lotta stuff.>>
average life span of 30 years instead of 10 years as they are now.>>
Where do you go for service? Back to the dealer? Sorry, he went out>>of business 29 years ago. Everybody bought the "long-life" cars that >>never broke, so he had to fire all the mechanics. The cars were so >>expensive because of all the fancy stuff they were made to install>>that nobody could afford to buy another, so he fired all the salesmen. >>Sales came to a standstill, and they didn't order more cars, so the >>manufacturers fired all the assembly workers and closed down.>>Thanks. You just put an entire industry out of work.>>
Besides which....>
CARS LAST MUCH LONGER NOW THAN THEY DID JUST 20 YEARS AGO, and it''s longer > than ten years if any maintenance was done on them

Yes and no. Old cars were a "constant strain of problems" from new.
New cars are wonderfully reliable for xxx miles, then turn into a cube,
or cost someone a FORTUNE to keep driving...

The way I see it, either I pay a carnote to Autozone-and-the-li­ke, or
the bank.. *Shrug*

JS



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JP White 16 April 2005 22:14:30 permanent link ]
 eastwardbound2003@ya­hoo.com wrote:> #8 Low Oil Level warning lights. The Low oil pressure warning lights> simply are not enough. By the time pressure drops too low it's already> too late and engine damage has already occurred in some shape or form.> (Most motorists are stupid and never check their oil level.)>
Seem to remember an '84 Lincoln Mark VI I used to own had this feature.
I know 'cause it came on once after it started to leak oil. No other car
I've owned had this feature that I know of.


JP

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Jim Warman 16 April 2005 23:08:34 permanent link ]
 We wouldn't need most of your fine suggestions if people would just take a
break from trying to be stupid.....

1 Over-engineering coolers adds needless waste.... purchase prices will be
driven high in a marketplace where low cost is the over-riding decision
maker.

2 If you need a magnetic filter, is is probably too late for a magnetic
filter. Once we experience ferrous metal wear, the die is already cat.

3 Bypass oil filters were the norm in the 40s and 50s. Full flow filtration
systems using good quality filters are all that is required. When flowing,
bypass filters rob oil flow from the lubrication system. We have no way of
knowing when they do stop flowing. Nothing will replace timely oil changes.

4 Over-engineering adds needless waste. My SuperCrew has a factory oil
filter.... yet the hottest days in my year barely reach 80F.

5 The 5R110 TorqueShift features an external spin on filter. However, I
still remove the oil pan to see what there is to see. There's a magnet in
there and if it is clinging on to ferrous materials.....

6 Yep... lets add places for insulating road debris to cling to. It's always
a good idea to add cooling devices that require airflow... especially in
areaas that don't get any airflow.

7 Many vehicles offer service reminders. How this will save crude oil is
beyond me.

8 A warning light? The bulb on the end of my dipstick has never
malfunctioned. Besides, if the oil level is low and is never topped off,
aren't we saving crude oil?

9 Better than an elecric cooling fan.... how about we incorporate a fan on
to the alternator shaft? Dang... they already did that....

10 Ahhhh.... yes, more foglights so those bozos can blind us old geezers in
town... Oh, how I love those fog lights.... I love 'em so much that they
occasionally bring tears to my eyes.

11 Yes.. I like it... purple lights flashing out "I'm an idiot" so we can
avoid them.... don't forget to turn yours on.

12 Hmmmm.... I thought checking tire pressures at the time of service
included the spare. Mind you, if we trade the donut in for a full size, full
cost spare, we could always kick the kids out of the back seat so we can
retain trunk space. The old VW Beetle had a real nifty low spare tire
warning pressure gauge... the windshield washers would quit working...

13 I'd like to see a low tire pressure warning sysem that actually worked,
didn't cost a gazillion bux to fox after the kid at the tire store screwed
up the transponder, and didn't require someone to actually try and figure
out what "warning... low tire" meant on the message center.

14 this would eliminate 90% of the drivers on the road. Driving is a
privilege, not a right. There are vat numbers of people that aren't good
with machinery.... and a car is just another piece of machinery...

15 Most mirrors do fold out of the way.... however, as a motorist, it
behooves me to use my God-given senses to stay out of ttrouble. Those times
when I turn int a pedestrian or cyclist, I should also use my God-given
senses to stay out of harms way... Quit staring at your navel... it's
impolite.

16 Yes.... about 2 or 3 tons of armour should about do it..... especially
since this will save crude oil stocks.

17 Most everything I work on has sway bars front and back.... don't know
what you're looking at.

18 I like this one..... for most instances the roof should be sufficient
roll-over protection.... well aside from the fact that we should drive with
idea that the roof should remain pointing up. However, we could add a 12
point cage to the "under-armour" ... the added weight should preseve crude
oil stocks for years to come.

19 None of Fords new vehicles feature drum brakes as anything other than
parking brakes. Drum brakes worked well for many. many years.... right up
until they invented idiots.

20 and 21 I'll have some of what you're smoking.

We will not see any reduction in traffic accidents untl people start
treating motor vehicle operation with the respect it deserves.... We oooh
and ahhh over aerobatic teams and such concentrating on each manoeuver...
then we climb on to the freeway talking on the cell phone enjoying our
beverages and snacks, ready stuff, lost in our tunes and paying more
attention to the kids in the back seat (providing we didn't put the spare
there) than to our driving.... all the while, instead of working with the
other fliers in our formation, we are pissed at them because they are all
idiots... especially the ones that are obeying the laws.



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Jacob Suter 17 April 2005 09:57:49 permanent link ]
 JP White wrote:> eastwardbound2003@y­ahoo.com wrote:>
#8 Low Oil Level warning lights. The Low oil pressure warning lights>> simply are not enough. By the time pressure drops too low it's already>> too late and engine damage has already occurred in some shape or form.>> (Most motorists are stupid and never check their oil level.)>>
Seem to remember an '84 Lincoln Mark VI I used to own had this feature. > I know 'cause it came on once after it started to leak oil. No other car > I've owned had this feature that I know of.

My built-for-delivery-­in-Mexico 1992 Explorer XLT w/ 4.0+A4LD has a "low
oil" sensor...

I'm almost certain the Hyundai 2.7's outside do feature sensors. The
1999 Dodge 1500 w/ 5.2 (318) does not.





JS

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Scott 17 April 2005 17:01:19 permanent link ]
 I believe older BMWs have a low oil sensor.

JP White wrote:> eastwardbound2003@y­ahoo.com wrote:>
#8 Low Oil Level warning lights. The Low oil pressure warning lights>> simply are not enough. By the time pressure drops too low it's already>> too late and engine damage has already occurred in some shape or form.>> (Most motorists are stupid and never check their oil level.)>>
Seem to remember an '84 Lincoln Mark VI I used to own had this feature. > I know 'cause it came on once after it started to leak oil. No other car > I've owned had this feature that I know of.>
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Guest 17 April 2005 19:07:30 permanent link ]
 The Volkswagen Type I (Beetle) of the 1950's and 60's had
undercarriages designed in such a way that they were "hermetically
sealed". Because of the fact these cars outlasted every other car sold
on the market when it came to body corrosion. Likewise owning a VW
Beetle of that era and living in the salt belt of North America was a
very wise choice.

When I mentioned "under armor" I was refering to what the old VW
Beetles had more so than the "skid plates" found on many trucks and
SUV's.

Most certainly sealing up the undercarriage can be done in such away
that it is cost effective. #1 The car is safer because of all the
safety items underneath that are protected. #2 The car will last
longer - especially on the salt belt because critical components
underneath can not rust away as they are "SEALED". and last but not
least #3 The weight issue becomes a none-issue. Sealing up the
undercarriage actually saves fuel because the vehicle becomes much more
aerodynamic. A lot of air-drag is because of all the things underneath
the vehicle that drag in the air when the vehicle is in motion rather
than elsewhere.

For repairs done underneath the hermetically sealed undercarriage will
have access panels that give access to all serviceable components
underneath the vehicle. Everything will be air tight. So air tight in
fact that the cars would even float the same way the old VW Beetles did
when they were new.

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Bill 2 17 April 2005 23:46:26 permanent link ]
 
<nospam.clare.nce@s­ny.der.on.ca> wrote in message
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A replacement alternator, for instance, today costs an average of 1 -> 2 hours wages (OK, for some 4 hours). In 1969 it was more likely to> cost an entire day's wages.

Are you comparing the wages of the same job, or your wages? Because if you
had a McJob in 1969, it may cost an entire day's wages, while today if
you're a professional of some sort it would cost an hour or two's wages.


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Jeff 18 April 2005 17:28:59 permanent link ]
 
"JP White" <jpwhite3@bellsouth­.net> wrote in message
news:Tzc8e.91491$wo­1.42975@bignews6.bel­lsouth.net...> eastwardbound2003@y­ahoo.com wrote:>> #8 Low Oil Level warning lights. The Low oil pressure warning lights>> simply are not enough. By the time pressure drops too low it's already>> too late and engine damage has already occurred in some shape or form.>> (Most motorists are stupid and never check their oil level.)>>
Seem to remember an '84 Lincoln Mark VI I used to own had this feature. I > know 'cause it came on once after it started to leak oil. No other car > I've owned had this feature that I know of.

My '83 Peugeot 505 STX had an oil level sensor. Before you started the car
up, the oil temp. gauge showed the oil level (just like the fuel gauge shows
the level of fuel).

Jeff


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Nospam Clare Nce 19 April 2005 06:46:39 permanent link ]
 On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:46:26 GMT, "Bill 2" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote:
<nospam.clare.nce@­sny.der.on.ca> wrote in message >news:ffn3615tauqau­q57qs7j8jks85iqvn8mq­t@4ax.com...>
A replacement alternator, for instance, today costs an average of 1 ->> 2 hours wages (OK, for some 4 hours). In 1969 it was more likely to>> cost an entire day's wages.>
Are you comparing the wages of the same job, or your wages? Because if you >had a McJob in 1969, it may cost an entire day's wages, while today if >you're a professional of some sort it would cost an hour or two's wages. >
Same job then as now. I made less than $5 per hour. A cheap rebuilt
alternator for my '63 Valiant was about $45. At that same job today I
would be making closer to $30 per hour, and I can buy a cheap rebuilt
alternator for a '98 Neon for $60 or $65. For the old Valiant, I can
pick one up for less than $35. In 1969 the Valiant was 6 years old.
The Neon is 7, so we are talking apples to apples.

Yes, I can pay a lot more for a good rebuilt alternator, but back in
'69 I could too.


Actually, in '69 I made a lot less than $5 per hour (like $1.15) - a
licenced man made that, and I was an apprentice. By '73 I made that.
And I was driving a '69 Dart. Parts prices were about the same.
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Nospam Clare Nce 19 April 2005 06:48:23 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:28:59 GMT, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmai­l.com>
wrote:
"JP White" <jpwhite3@bellsouth­.net> wrote in message >news:Tzc8e.91491$w­o1.42975@bignews6.be­llsouth.net...>> eastwardbound2003@y­ahoo.com wrote:>>> #8 Low Oil Level warning lights. The Low oil pressure warning lights>>> simply are not enough. By the time pressure drops too low it's already>>> too late and engine damage has already occurred in some shape or form.>>> (Most motorists are stupid and never check their oil level.)>>>
Seem to remember an '84 Lincoln Mark VI I used to own had this feature. I >> know 'cause it came on once after it started to leak oil. No other car >> I've owned had this feature that I know of.>
My '83 Peugeot 505 STX had an oil level sensor. Before you started the car >up, the oil temp. gauge showed the oil level (just like the fuel gauge shows >the level of fuel).>
Jeff >
Both of my old Aerostars and my 88 New Yorker had low oil level
warning lights. So did all Toyota Previas. I know a lot of others did
too. No gauge - just a light that lit if the level was low on startup.
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Timothy J. Lee 20 April 2005 21:44:17 permanent link ]
 In article <df98e.15337$Ln.706­958@ursa-nb00s0.nbne­t.nb.ca>,
Bill 2 <asdf@asdf.com> wrote:><eastwardbou­nd2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1113632527.59­1154.119590@l41g2000­cwc.googlegroups.com­...>> #7 Oil change reminders on dashboard that uses a computer w/sensors in>> order to decide once oil is contaminated enough to warrant changing ->
As far as I know they base it on odometer reading / engine run time, not any >fancy sensors. And if they had any fancy sensors, that's something else to >break.

Some of them count things like engine revolutions or fuel consumption
or something like that, with penalty factors for cold or overheating
engines.

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CarGuru > Ford > Why aren't these standard equipment by now? 20 April 2005 21:44:17

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