The kind who will NEVER realize that merging on a highway>isn't like moving away from a traffic light and who think>40mph can mix with 60mph without problems.>The other kind seem to think it's "impressive" to do that >thing with their car alarm or door closer that makes the>thing squake, or chirp, or honk a few times.>You don't impress ANYONE with that.>-Rich

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:05:12 -0400, RichA <none@none.com> wrote:>

what about the idiots in mustangs?>

hurc ast

who think> 40mph can mix with 60mph without problems.

In article <ta56615sat0r77lgjr­snqv07js186232ua@4ax­.com>, RichA wrote:>

On a limited access highway where lane discipline is practiced, a wide >speed variance is easy and safely delt with. Only in the USA is this a >problem, because lane discipline is practically non-existant in much of >the nation. >

Lane discipline is why a 911 and 2CV can be on the autobahn at the same >time.

I hope> you can retain that holier than thou attitude when a tractor trailer> rig is eating your 100+ vehicle.

In article <f74961lafi40ndrg7n­98ru1f3vtnljq9vb@4ax­.com>, Spike wrote:>> Wish I could walk on water too, but I guess I was just destined to be>> one of the common people.>

WTF? >

Unless this nation adopts disciplined driving, things are only going to >get worse. We certainly won't be able to add enough lanes to make up for >not having it. >

I still do not see where, with evidence that many users of the>Autobahn violate lane discipline every day (and that's according to>the Autobahn enforcement and management divisions), you expect to get>everyone to fall in line like good little soldiers and stick to this>practice. You can't do it there with strict enforcement, how do you>expect to see compliance anywhere? But what do I know... I'm just a>"revenue" cop with 20+ years experience. You have all the answers. Go>fix it.

In article <ta56615sat0r77lgjr­snqv07js186232ua@4ax­.com>, RichA wrote:>

On a limited access highway where lane discipline is practiced, a wide >speed variance is easy and safely delt with. Only in the USA is this a >problem, because lane discipline is practically non-existant in much of >the nation. >

Lane discipline is why a 911 and 2CV can be on the autobahn at the same >time.

wouldn't matter if you did or didn't... you're still not going to....>LOL : )

However, I do not hold with the concept,> right or wrong, that the United States should be like anyone else.

More than anything, I want to thank you for allowing me to work off> some of the boredom of this weekend by getting you worked up...and> stringing you along.

This is one of those subjects; like politics or> religion, where neither side wins.

You will never understand what it's > like to be one of the cops you seem to distrust, dislike, and have no > use for, and I will never know what it is like to be you. Anyway, > thanks for the break in the monotony.... : )

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:02:44 -0700, Spike <jma@snowcrest.net>­ wrote:>

fagboy>

hurc ast

In article <3idd61163mtc0ohc7k­675am0di0rpsoko3@4ax­.com>, Spike wrote:>> You're still going on about this? Oh, well. Hope the rest of your week>> is better for you. You need to lighten up or you'll end up with ulcers>> and an early grave. I hope we don't travel in the same neighborhood.>> If my difference of opinion gets you this wound up, I'd hate to think>> what you might do if I accidentally cut you off in traffic. >

More attempts at face saving. *yawn*>

In article <lu1e61h04g3ss5q71t­e2uhon35lpusgmji@4ax­.com>, Spike wrote:>> Well, you wasted enough of my time and yours with your attitude.Try to>> have a nice day. If your mind wasn't so closed, you might have learned>> something. >

You didn't put forth one bit of true information. Just the usual cop >bluster of 'the law is the law, I'm just following orders, obey me'. >

That's great for a police state, but the USA isn't one officially.... >yet. >

You don't like law enforcement officers, and that's OK.

It's your right in a free society. However,> if you ever get into a bind, I wonder who you will call.

I also wonder> at someone who cites liberty and the Constitution and then refuses to> accept that someone else has a different opinion.

That sounds as if> you have forgotten what they are all about. Yes you can quote them,> but you obviously do not feel them. They are just lifeless tools to> you. To me they are the life of the nation.

You know, I had some respect for your opinion, whether I agreed or>not, I now just feel sorry for you. You don't like law enforcement>officer­s, and that's OK. It's your right in a free society. However,>if you ever get into a bind, I wonder who you will call.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:26:37 -0700, Spike <jma@snowcrest.net>­ wrote:>

I have a friend whose house I go to a fair bit. Before getting>to his house, you go down a steep hill. When you enter the street>to go down the hill, it appears you haven't changed the speed zone.>In fact, just past a street at the bottom of the hill is a sign>indicating the speed limit has changed from 36mph to 24mph.>Almost everytime I go there, the is a cop, parked with radar>squirreled away in the side street.>Like shooting fish in a barrel. I have never heard of ANY accidents>on that street. As far as I'm concerned, this bozo, who is earning >$60,000 a year to sit with his radar gun is a BLIGHT on society.>-Rich>

Because someone top posts that makes them disrespectful?

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:14:03 -0400, RichA <none@none.com> wrote> something wonderfully witty:>

Where the hell do the have a 36mph & 24mph speed limit?

Around 4/22/2005 8:26 AM, SVTKate wrote:>

Eyup, especially when they are enlightened as to the error of their ways >(or rather, Microsoft's intentionally broken newsreader's ways) and yet >continue to top post.>

Most people prefer to read top to bottom. I've yet to see anything >written that was easier to follow from bottom to top.

"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net>­ wrote in message >news:7qmg61ptfb86l­fp3kd6l9k1i26u3b5lqt­j@4ax.com...>| Thought they outlawed smoking on planes and in most terminals so who>| needs a lighter?>

I do, just in case the plane crashes and I get stranded on a deserted >island.>You can still smoke in some airports. Atlanta I think is one of them.>

Kate>

What an idiot. What is it you actually want? A society where there is>no authority to obey? A society where BrentP can drive the way BrentP>wants to drive no matter what?>

People push the limits every day. If the speed limit is 55 they push>for 65. If it's 65, they push for 75. It's a common practice to drive>4 to 5 miles over the speed limit in the mistaken belief that you>can't get nailed for that small an infraction. The people push at>traffic lights, and rail crossings as evidenced by the number of>intersection and crossing accidents. Every day, multitudes drink and>drive when everyone knows it is both against the law and endangers the>lives of everyone on the road. They do so because it's human nature to>do so, in part because people object to authority just as you do.

I was lucky, I was warned about it beforehand, otherwise, I'd have> gotten to the bottom of the hill, seen the sign, found out "TOO LATE"> and gotten nailed by the cop.

"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMO­VETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote>

*snipped*>

| What is the purpose of having so many laws such that people cannot>| get through the day without breaking laws? What is the purpose of>| having laws that define common, reasonable behavior as illegal? >| Many laws in this nation are only enforced selectively. Against>| people who are not liked, or have a certain appearance, etc and so>| forth. >

Because without all of those laws, the jackasses in Washington> wouldn't have a job making more.> Your paragraph above Brent is, IMHO, right on the money.>

|>| Emotional appeals. Even less. Do you obey 55 mph interstate speed>| limits? I'll wager in any give day you commit more moving>| violations than I do. >|>

Again I agree. I always push the interstate speed limits 5-9 mph> over. Out here, if the speed limit is 45, they drive 55-60.> If it's 70, they are driving 80-85.> I feel like an idiot allot of the time because everyone is passing> me. It's not as though I don't WANT to go that fast, BUT I just do> not want that ticket.>

Kate

Why would someone prefer top scroll to the bottom of a post then read from > top to bottom?> It's unnatural.

Here in the USA we read left to right, top to bottom. You know that.

I have only known a few people that make a fuss over it one way or another.> Like I said, I'm not trying to start a pissing match, but I'm not going to > change my ways.

What an idiot. What is it you actually want?

People push the limits every day. If the speed limit is 55 they push> for 65. If it's 65, they push for 75.

Still, you want to let people drive on the honor system.

"Joe" <avoidingspam@nospa­m.com> wrote> *snip*>| Kate, I really thought you had more sense than this. What did you>| tell your kids when they learned to drive? That going 5mph over>| the limit is just fine because "everybody does it"? Did you tell>| them that the law is only a "suggestion"?>

Well, Joe, thanks for the kind words. How much sense I have may be > questionable at times.

You're right, about it being just a suggestion, and you have an> valid point. It IS the law. There is no arguing with that> whatsoever.

But seriously, how many poeple do you know that do the exact speed> limit? I mean that will admit to always going the limit.

In town, school zones and places like that, I try my damnedest to> drive the speed limit.> I would say that 95% of the time I am successful.

BUT, on the freeway?> If I'm doing 5-7 mph over I'm still sitting still out there when> everyone is wizzing past. I know that because everyone else does it,> is not a good excuse, but dangit, I am not going to drive 65 while> the rest of the world is driving 75-80.

I know the feeling. ;)>

That's my only point.>

None. Myself included. I've taught my son that it's his duty to obey > the laws. But when obeying the law puts him at risk, like when > everybody's doing 90 in a 70, then he should "blend in" with the > traffic so he doesn't pose a hazard to himself or anyone else. I've > also told him that while doing so, he (and everyone else) risks > getting a ticket with points. It's happened to me, and I'm sure it's > happened to others.>

In school zones, if you're doing 1 mph over the limit, you should be > strung up and shot. 2 cents. We're talking about _kids_ here. > Children, fercrissakes.>

Like I said above, if it poses a hazard to do the limit, then by all > means blend in. But by doing so, realize that you're also putting > yourself at risk for getting a ticket with points. Those are the > facts.

I remember talking to an old VDOT employee several years ago and he> told me how they determined speed limits before the design of> roadways became standardized. They observed the actual traffic> speed, plugged those numbers into an equation (nothing complicated> I'm sure), rounded to the nearest multiple of 5 mph and that number> was the speed limit. Too bad this still isn't the way it is done.>

Joe wrote:>> "SVTKate" <whoever@whatever.c­omplaint.dept> wrote in>> news:8aAae.15427$44­.13179@newsread1.new­s.atl.earthlink.net:­ >>

You're simply wrong. The single reason is the law. Go above the > limit and risk getting a ticket with points.

Don't mix apples and oranges. Driving dangerously had nothing to do > with the speed limit.

But seriously, how many poeple do you know that do the exact speed limit? I > mean that will admit to always going the limit.

"Michael Johnson, PE" <nospam@ourhouse.co­m> wrote in> news­s2dnb-766Rcaf­ffRVn-gQ@comcast.com­: >

In article <ZKAae.120937$vL3.3­2881@bignews4.bellso­uth.net>, Joe> wrote: >

Drive the limit or below and become suspicious for driving too> slowly.

BINGO! Now then we get to the point, speed limits are about MONEY,> not safety.

In article <19tae.114225$UW6.7­6779@bignews5.bellso­uth.net>, Joe> wrote: >> Using your own logic, wouldn't it be just dandy if someone decided >> they had a great reason to hunt you down and blow you away? Of >> course, it would be just fine because they didn't agree with the >> concept that killing people is against the law.>

Try some courses at the local HS on reading comprehension and then> some on actual US history, if any are still taught. Then maybe> you'll understand what I wrote.

Notice the tactic of top posting being used to avoid actually> addressing my points.

IMO, the real threat to drivers are those that feel the need to> drive either much slower or faster than the "pack". They will be> there no matter what the speed limit may be. I bet the overwhelming> majority of drivers would support a 75-80 mph speed limit on most> rural interstate highways and be perfectly willing to accept> whatever additional risk they may be exposed to as a result. I know> I would for one. One other thing is that most new cars perform> (brake, handle etc.) much better than the ones on the road when the> interstate highway system was conceived and designed. This is> further reason why raising the speed limit to 75-80 mph wouldn't> cause profits for funeral homes to skyrocket. ­ >

Joe wrote:>> Within the last few years, they raised the speed limit on I-75 down>> here to 70. It was 65, and everybody did 80-85, so they redid>> their study and agreed that it was certainly safe to raise it to>> 70. So now everybody does 80-90.>>

So all laws are good and need to be obeyed because their laws eh?> Did your grandfather drink during prohibition? Would you?>

The bottom line though, is that I really don't care anymore what the > speed limit is. Unless I'm speeding to blend in with everybody else, > I'll obey it simply because I don't want any points. And so what if I > get to my destination 10 minutes later? It certainly isn't going to > kill me...>

"Michael Johnson, PE" <nospam@ourhouse.co­m> wrote in> news:-Z-dnZXAlIvHtv­bfRVn-2g@comcast.com­: >

In article <tkMae.124652$vK6.1­19665@bignews3.bells­outh.net>, Joe> wrote: >

So you are doing character attack by strawman.

Lame.

When you can> handle actual debate, let me know.

I fully understand what you wrote. I simply put it in extreme terms > to make my point.

The bottom line though, is that I really don't care anymore what the > speed limit is. Unless I'm speeding to blend in with everybody else, > I'll obey it simply because I don't want any points. And so what if I > get to my destination 10 minutes later? It certainly isn't going to > kill me...

Like I already posted, if it's a risk to drive the limit because > everyone else is driving 10mph above, then by all means go with the > flow. But also realize that you could be singled out and given a > ticket with points. It's your choice.

Speed limits are an effort to prevent idiots from killing themselves > and others. A lot of them are too low, but nonetheless they're there.

So either fix it or move to a better place. Whining about it doesn't > accomplish a thing, except waste Brent's precious bandwidth.

In article <uiMae.124651$vK6.9­4299@bignews3.bellso­uth.net>, Joe> wrote: >> tetraethylleadREMOV­ETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in>> news:F_adnZthB-QIi_­bfRVn-2Q@comcast.com­: >>

You don't seem to understand the problem wrt liberty here. You can> choose to disobey the law and be a violator. Or you chould choose to> obey the law and be a suspected criminal.

I find it remarkable that> this catch 22 is perfectly acceptable to you.

I suppose that's> because you've never been pulled over when you haven't violated any> aspect of the vehicle code. I have, on more than one occasion.

IF that is the case, then they are failing miserably. Time to try> something else.

Or make the punishment considerably more harsh. If> it was about safety, the fine shouldn't be so low. It should be high> enough that it would be worth fighiting a speeding ticket.

In article <VpMae.124654$vK6.6­8006@bignews3.bellso­uth.net>, Joe> wrote: >> I agree. Every day I commute to work and back, I see at least>> several nut jobs weaving in and out of traffic (mostly in wannabe>> ricemobiles) doing 15-20mph above what everybody else is doing. >

But joan claybrook et al believe that forcing faster traffic to> weave through was -safer- because it made them go slower. >

I don't believe that, but that's the tennet of lane blocking in the> speed kills religion. >

See the following chart:>

http://www.fhwa.dot­.gov//////tfhrc/safe­ty/pubs/speed/images­/fig1.gif> http://www.sha.stat­e.md.us/images/85thc­hart.gif>

I like to base my risk assement on actual data than warm fuzzy> feelings.

I've experimented with various travel speeds and concluded that this> chart matches well with my experience. I've nearly been killed on> more than one occasion because I was following the speed limit that> was severely underposted. Our lady of blessed acceleration is what> saved me.

I like to base my risk assesment on actual experience rather than old > charts off a website.

So take the bus.

Dude, if you're on a bicycle in a lane that vehicles use, you're a > complete idiot.

Here's the first one that comes to mind: The real possibility that > some debris could be in the lane you're travelling on.

Have a nice day, Brent, and please stay away from the streets I drive > on. You're a total menace to society. ­

In article <fY3be.128260$vL3.1­86@bignews4.bellsout­h.net>, Joe wrote:>> No point in addressing things in line below - your post indicates >> quite clearly that you can't be reasoned with.>>

Face saving nonsense above noted.>

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:14:15 -0500, tetraethylleadREMOV­ETHIS@yahoo.com> (Brent P) wrote:>

Hey! Spikey Likes IT!> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

In article <ZS3be.128239$vL3.2­0841@bignews4.bellso­uth.net>, Joe> wrote: >

Bicycle = vehicle. Just not motor vehicle. It's the safest way to> ride btw.>

http://safety.fhwa.­dot.gov/ped_bike/doc­s/pamanual.pdf

In article <RV3be.128250$vL3.1­07909@bignews4.bells­outh.net>, Joe

<snipping what joe is too lazy to trim>

If you only look for debris when there is road construction, you're

ZW, where'd you hear about FL re-licensing people? Last I heard it >would never happen because of the policital clout of all the older >drivers.

I saved it all just for you.>

As usual, you missed the point entirely. The fact that you've said > you'd blast through a construction zone at or above the posted speed > limit tells me who the idiot is. Loud and clear.

Some States, such as NJ, already have laws on the books making it> illegal to drive without both hands on the wheel.

our speed limits are so low that it allows people to have a false> sense of security and think that they can perform multiple tasks while> driving. Get one of these people up to 100mph+ and see if they can> use their cell phone and suck on their Big Gulp at the same time.

In article <idqp61tgfrdb2kdghb­bvd8ie93nbif1nh4@4ax­.com>, ZombyWoof wrote:>

<does anyone in this newsgroup trim anything?>>

Do cops ticket anyone with a manual transmission? ­ >

And the speed limit isn't stopping them now. I don't understand this >mentality of limiting an entire population based on it's idiots.

Seriously, everything from grade schools on up now seem to operate at a >slowest-ship-in-th­e-fleet pace. The USA will be a third world nation in >no time. >

In article <idqp61tgfrdb2kdghb­bvd8ie93nbif1nh4@4ax­.com>, ZombyWoof wrote:>

<does anyone in this newsgroup trim anything?>>

Do cops ticket anyone with a manual transmission? ­ >

And the speed limit isn't stopping them now. I don't understand this >mentality of limiting an entire population based on it's idiots. >

Seriously, everything from grade schools on up now seem to operate at a >slowest-ship-in-th­e-fleet pace. The USA will be a third world nation in >no time. >

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:03:02 -0500, tetraethylleadREMOV­ETHIS@yahoo.com>(Bre­nt P) wrote:>

The main rule of this World is you are always held back by the weakest>link. Because of the interlinks of everything in our society, it's>inevitable.>

Well, when third World countries have people coming out of grade 10>with math skills like a first year university student in the U.S.,>it's no wonder.>-Rich>

The main rule of this World is you are always held back by the weakest> link. Because of the interlinks of everything in our society, it's> inevitable.

Well, when third World countries have people coming out of grade 10> with math skills like a first year university student in the U.S.,> it's no wonder.

A school system in Florida where my daughter first started school> tried grouping children of like abilities together in classes as part> of a controlled study. After the First Grade, all the A students in> one Second Grade class, all the B's in another and so forth. The idea> was to give the Teacher and even playing field to teach to. The> Teachers were never told what the overall makeup of their class was,> nor were the children. Wanna take a wild guess what happened?

I think the same rules on the road apply as on the sea, slower> vehicles have the right of way.

I imagine then that you do a lot of reflecting back. Perhaps it is>because the attitude you present is of a self centered, holier than>thou, egotist, who just wants to see his words in print, and feel that>he is having true communications with others. This may not be who you>are, not what you are about, but it is the way you come across.

And on that note, I place you on my ignore list, and say, "no more!". >

I would suggest that the others take a similar course.

Nothing you say>will alter Brent's view, nor his response to anything you might have>to say.