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Re: What Ford should do about the Vette
Backyard Mechanic 25 January 2005 05:53:43
	RichA opined in news:1e7bv01beo8blta16jq86los5ulg4rhr6a@4ax.com: Simple; Release a new Cobra using the 427 small block> they developed recently. > -Rich> Or Nothing... Or maybe find a way to reduce the price of the GR1 They could bracket the vette and everyone would be happy. There's a limited market -- - Yes, I'm a crusty old geezer curmudgeon.. deal with it! -
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Brent P 25 January 2005 06:32:42 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1e7bv01beo8blta16jq86los5ulg4rhr6a@4ax.com>, RichA wrote:> Simple; Release a new Cobra using the 427 small block> they developed recently. Stop building instant collectables and start building performance cars of the vette class to market demand.
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Joe 25 January 2005 07:05:07 [ permanent link ]
	RichA <none@none.com> wrote in news:1e7bv01beo8blta16jq86los5ulg4rhr6a@4ax.com: Simple; Release a new Cobra using the 427 small block> they developed recently. > -Rich Would that be competition for the base C6 or the Z06? Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
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Guest 25 January 2005 21:44:36 [ permanent link ]
	If it were possible to build a modern car that was true to the 427 Shelby Cobra's roots -- 400+ hp in a 2200 lb package, at about twice the price of a contemporary sedan ($6K then, $60K now), I'd say go for it. Is that possible, while including all the things the $60K market requires today (zero rattles, zero leaks, 75 dB cruising)? No way. Even the '05 Z06, with a Z06-only aluminum frame, weighs 3200 lbs. Bottom line is it's too late for Ford to climb into the Vette market without either falling on its face or losing baskets of money, or both. 180 Out TS 28
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RichA 26 January 2005 03:32:45 [ permanent link ]
	On 25 Jan 2005 03:05:07 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote: RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >news:1e7bv01beo8blta16jq86los5ulg4rhr6a@4ax.com:> Simple; Release a new Cobra using the 427 small block>> they developed recently. >> -Rich> Would that be competition for the base C6 or the Z06? What is the base C6 going to be? The current 400hp model? They should ignore it and concentrate on making a Vette killer at a lower price point. Handling might be a problem. -Rich
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Joe 26 January 2005 05:05:18 [ permanent link ]
	RichA <none@none.com> wrote in news:fnldv0djlt0tmgvaiiao36hbo1d2kr4l5t@4ax.com: On 25 Jan 2005 03:05:07 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:> RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >>news:1e7bv01beo8blta16jq86los5ulg4rhr6a@4ax.com:>> Simple; Release a new Cobra using the 427 small block>>> they developed recently. >>> -Rich>> Would that be competition for the base C6 or the Z06?> What is the base C6 going to be? The current 400hp model? Yes - it's the 400/400 6.0 liter LS2. They should ignore it and concentrate on making a Vette killer> at a lower price point. Handling might be a problem.> -Rich 180's right IMO - At this point, Ford can't possibly come up with anything to seriously compete with the Corvette. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
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Brent P 26 January 2005 06:37:11 [ permanent link ]
	In article <35o8meF4n9jrkU2@individual.net>, Joe wrote: 180's right IMO - At this point, Ford can't possibly come up with > anything to seriously compete with the Corvette. A cost reduced, built for production version of GT.
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RichA 26 January 2005 06:41:31 [ permanent link ]
	On 26 Jan 2005 01:05:18 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote: RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >news:fnldv0djlt0tmgvaiiao36hbo1d2kr4l5t@4ax.com:> On 25 Jan 2005 03:05:07 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:>> RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >>>news:1e7bv01beo8blta16jq86los5ulg4rhr6a@4ax.com:>>> Simple; Release a new Cobra using the 427 small block>>>> they developed recently. >>>> -Rich>>> Would that be competition for the base C6 or the Z06?>> What is the base C6 going to be? The current 400hp model?> Yes - it's the 400/400 6.0 liter LS2.> They should ignore it and concentrate on making a Vette killer>> at a lower price point. Handling might be a problem.>> -Rich> 180's right IMO - At this point, Ford can't possibly come up with >anything to seriously compete with the Corvette.> How can you say that when aftermarket firms do it all the time? Saleen, for one. -Rich
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Joe 26 January 2005 17:25:06 [ permanent link ]
	RichA <none@none.com> wrote in news:up0ev0p9r3bs702mtgo3ibofu0vradvapa@4ax.com: On 26 Jan 2005 01:05:18 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:> RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >>news:fnldv0djlt0tmgvaiiao36hbo1d2kr4l5t@4ax.com:>> On 25 Jan 2005 03:05:07 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:>>> RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >>>>news:1e7bv01beo8blta16jq86los5ulg4rhr6a@4ax.com:>>>> Simple; Release a new Cobra using the 427 small block>>>>> they developed recently. >>>>> -Rich>>>> Would that be competition for the base C6 or the Z06?>>> What is the base C6 going to be? The current 400hp model?>> Yes - it's the 400/400 6.0 liter LS2.>> They should ignore it and concentrate on making a Vette killer>>> at a lower price point. Handling might be a problem.>>> -Rich>> 180's right IMO - At this point, Ford can't possibly come up with >>anything to seriously compete with the Corvette.>> How can you say that when aftermarket firms do it all the time?> Saleen, for one.> -Rich So why hasn't Ford done it? Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
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Joe 26 January 2005 17:28:46 [ permanent link ]
	tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in news:IYOdnZJD6r7Kn2rcRVn-pw@comcast.com: In article <35o8meF4n9jrkU2@individual.net>, Joe wrote:> 180's right IMO - At this point, Ford can't possibly come up with >> anything to seriously compete with the Corvette.> A cost reduced, built for production version of GT. In so many words, a stripper? Or a Cobra? Ford won't build a stripper because there's not enough market for one. It wouldn't compete with the Corvette anyway - the 'Vette has some very nice toys in it. As for the Cobra (or Cobra-type), Ford's already nixed it. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
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Joe 26 January 2005 17:30:23 [ permanent link ]
	Wound Up <putherinthatbucket@swbell.net> wrote in news:41F6EE61.5080503@swbell.net: Joe wrote:>> RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >> news:fnldv0djlt0tmgvaiiao36hbo1d2kr4l5t@4ax.com:>> On 25 Jan 2005 03:05:07 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:>>> RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >>>>news:1e7bv01beo8blta16jq86los5ulg4rhr6a@4ax.com:>>>> Simple; Release a new Cobra using the 427 small block>>>>>they developed recently. >>>>>-Rich>>>> Would that be competition for the base C6 or the Z06?>>> What is the base C6 going to be? The current 400hp model?>> Yes - it's the 400/400 6.0 liter LS2.>> They should ignore it and concentrate on making a Vette killer>>>at a lower price point. Handling might be a problem.>>>-Rich>> 180's right IMO - At this point, Ford can't possibly come up with >> anything to seriously compete with the Corvette.> What about using the '03 390/390 Roots-blown 32v 4.6 DOHC in a> dropped, tightened up new Mustang with a T56 and an active stability> control system? It wouldn't have to out outrun it on the top end; I> mean, 8th grade stat geeks might bicker, but what it if could run> the Vette on a strip and a road course, be cheaper, and more> user-friendly too boot? I think Ford has a few options outside the> exotic GT to compete with the Vette for less with the Mustang> platform. "They have the technology"... ...but not the will or the incentive. And the PR, Mustangs outrunning Vettes again... Now that's an interesting sidebar. What years did Mustangs outrun Corvettes? I don't know, I'm asking. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
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Brent P 27 January 2005 02:39:44 [ permanent link ]
	In article <35pk1iF4odrk2U1@individual.net>, Joe wrote: How can you say that when aftermarket firms do it all the time?>> Saleen, for one. So why hasn't Ford done it? Not part of their marketing plan.
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Brian Orion 27 January 2005 04:36:23 [ permanent link ]
	X-No-archive:yes>Re: " What Ford should do about the> Vette" ------------------------------------------------------ The question is "What GM should do about the Mustang" ********************
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A 27 January 2005 05:13:28 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:36:23 -0800, Brian Orion wrote: X-No-archive:yes>>Re: " What Ford should do about the>> Vette"> ------------------------------------------------------> The question is "What GM should do about the Mustang"> ******************** Sweat?
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Joe 27 January 2005 05:52:35 [ permanent link ]
	tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in news:8PWdnY7zi8- tgWXcRVn-jw@comcast.com: In article <35pk1iF4odrk2U1@individual.net>, Joe wrote:> How can you say that when aftermarket firms do it all the time?>>> Saleen, for one.> So why hasn't Ford done it?> Not part of their marketing plan. You made my point. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
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RichA 27 January 2005 20:59:56 [ permanent link ]
	On 27 Jan 2005 01:56:19 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote: RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >news:1g5gv0d4kab1fpipeqh0j80m9ajjd01gjv@4ax.com:> On 26 Jan 2005 13:30:23 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:>> Wound Up <putherinthatbucket@swbell.net> wrote in>>>news:41F6EE61.5080503@swbell.net: >>> Joe wrote:>>>>> RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >>>>> news:fnldv0djlt0tmgvaiiao36hbo1d2kr4l5t@4ax.com:>>>>> On 25 Jan 2005 03:05:07 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:>>>>>> RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >>>>>>>news:1e7bv01beo8blta16jq86los5ulg4rhr6a@4ax.com:>>>>>>> Simple; Release a new Cobra using the 427 small block>>>>>>>>they developed recently. >>>>>>>>-Rich>>>>>>> Would that be competition for the base C6 or the Z06?>>>>>> What is the base C6 going to be? The current 400hp model?>>>>> Yes - it's the 400/400 6.0 liter LS2.>>>>> They should ignore it and concentrate on making a Vette killer>>>>>>at a lower price point. Handling might be a problem.>>>>>>-Rich>>>>> 180's right IMO - At this point, Ford can't possibly come up with >>>>> anything to seriously compete with the Corvette.>>>> What about using the '03 390/390 Roots-blown 32v 4.6 DOHC in a>>>> dropped, tightened up new Mustang with a T56 and an active >stability>>>> control system? It wouldn't have to out outrun it on the top end; >I>>>> mean, 8th grade stat geeks might bicker, but what it if could run>>>> the Vette on a strip and a road course, be cheaper, and more>>>> user-friendly too boot? I think Ford has a few options outside >the>>>> exotic GT to compete with the Vette for less with the Mustang>>>> platform. "They have the technology"...>>> ...but not the will or the incentive.>>> And the PR, Mustangs outrunning Vettes again...>>> Now that's an interesting sidebar. What years did Mustangs outrun >>>Corvettes? I don't know, I'm asking.>> I beat most same year Vettes in my 1988 LX 5.0.>> -Rich> Factory, Rich. Anybody can tweak any car to beat a Corvette given >enough time and money. My car was dead stock. From 0-50, the Vette had maybe a half car lead, from then on, it was always the same, they'd fall behind. Top speed, I have no idea but the LX would hit 148mph. -Rich
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Joe 27 January 2005 22:30:31 [ permanent link ]
	RichA <none@none.com> wrote in news:5e7iv0t5d6ll193dom3e9qak64tudb3pcv@4ax.com: On 27 Jan 2005 01:56:19 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:> RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >>news:1g5gv0d4kab1fpipeqh0j80m9ajjd01gjv@4ax.com:>> On 26 Jan 2005 13:30:23 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:>>> Wound Up <putherinthatbucket@swbell.net> wrote in>>>>news:41F6EE61.5080503@swbell.net: >>>> Joe wrote:>>>>>> RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >>>>>> news:fnldv0djlt0tmgvaiiao36hbo1d2kr4l5t@4ax.com:>>>>>> On 25 Jan 2005 03:05:07 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote:>>>>>>> RichA <none@none.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>news:1e7bv01beo8blta16jq86los5ulg4rhr6a@4ax.com:>>>>>>>> Simple; Release a new Cobra using the 427 small block>>>>>>>>>they developed recently. >>>>>>>>>-Rich>>>>>>>> Would that be competition for the base C6 or the Z06?>>>>>>> What is the base C6 going to be? The current 400hp model?>>>>>> Yes - it's the 400/400 6.0 liter LS2.>>>>>> They should ignore it and concentrate on making a Vette killer>>>>>>>at a lower price point. Handling might be a problem.>>>>>>>-Rich>>>>>> 180's right IMO - At this point, Ford can't possibly come up with >>>>>> anything to seriously compete with the Corvette.>>>>> What about using the '03 390/390 Roots-blown 32v 4.6 DOHC in a>>>>> dropped, tightened up new Mustang with a T56 and an active >>stability>>>>> control system? It wouldn't have to out outrun it on the top end; >>I>>>>> mean, 8th grade stat geeks might bicker, but what it if could the Vette on a strip and a road course, be cheaper, and more>>>>> user-friendly too boot? I think Ford has a few options outside >>the>>>>> exotic GT to compete with the Vette for less with the Mustang>>>>> platform. "They have the technology"...>>>> ...but not the will or the incentive.>>>> And the PR, Mustangs outrunning Vettes again...>>>> Now that's an interesting sidebar. What years did Mustangs outrun >>>>Corvettes? I don't know, I'm asking.>>> I beat most same year Vettes in my 1988 LX 5.0.>>> -Rich>> Factory, Rich. Anybody can tweak any car to beat a Corvette given >>enough time and money.> My car was dead stock. From 0-50, the Vette had maybe a half car> lead, from then on, it was always the same, they'd fall behind.> Top speed, I have no idea but the LX would hit 148mph.> -Rich Ah, I overlooked the '88 disclaimer. Now I'm wondering what the times were for an '88 Corvette. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
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Walt Peifer 27 January 2005 23:43:45 [ permanent link ]
	now that the camaro is gone/ people have to compare the vette to the mustang. they never were in the same class/niche in the market. Ford need to do nothing about the vette as per the mustang. perhaps a new model???
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John 28 January 2005 05:35:40 [ permanent link ]
	"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message news:1e7bv01beo8blta16jq86los5ulg4rhr6a@4ax.com...> Simple; Release a new Cobra using the 427 small block> they developed recently.> -Rich The Mustang put the Camaro in it's grave. Ford doesn't compete with the Corvette. Sounds like Ford and Chevy have an understanding for these two different markets now. -- John ThunderSnake #59
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Brent P 28 January 2005 06:32:48 [ permanent link ]
	In article <35r006F4lhojtU3@individual.net>, Joe wrote: In so many words, a stripper? Or a Cobra?>> No. A cost reduced version.> A stripper. A stripper is ripping out stuff. Cost reduced is having the stuff, it just costs less to make. Instead of say a billet windshield>> washer bottle, a simple plastic from a mustang or crown vic for>> instance. Who's putting billet windshield washer bottles in their cars? The initial GT show cars had something silly like that. Other parts can be made by less expensive processes, etc.>> The car will probably be heavier and not handle quite as well, but>> it will cost significantly less to build. Version may not even be>> the right word since what will result will be a different car. Raiding the existing parts bin to produce a less costly car = > stripper. Putting any kind of "niceities" in will increase cost. Stripper is no heater, no radio, no passenger seat, ripping out stuff. Using steel instead of carbon fiber is cost reduced. Ford however is still into instant collectable marketing so they>> won't.> I don't believe the could do it if they wanted to. They could. Any decent mechanical engineer can.
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A 28 January 2005 07:16:54 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:53:22 +0000, Joe wrote: Maybe we differ on the definition of 'stripper'. To me, it's > basically a no-option car. Ask Patrick about that. "Stripped" is > what you're describing. I thought a stripper was no, wait wrong thread.
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Brent P 28 January 2005 07:54:41 [ permanent link ]
	In article <35tnp1F4rsnepU2@individual.net>, Joe wrote:> tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in Raiding the existing parts bin to produce a less costly car = >>> stripper. Putting any kind of "niceities" in will increase cost. Stripper is no heater, no radio, no passenger seat, ripping out stuff.>> Using steel instead of carbon fiber is cost reduced. Ford however is still into instant collectable marketing so they>>>> won't. I don't believe the could do it if they wanted to.>> They could. Any decent mechanical engineer can. Maybe we differ on the definition of 'stripper'. To me, it's > basically a no-option car. Ask Patrick about that. "Stripped" is > what you're describing. No I am not. Using a plastic windshield washer bottle instead of a metal one. Using sheetmetal instead of a casting. Using a plastic injection molded part instead of a multi-piece sheet metal assembly, etc and so forth. That's what I am talking about. All production cars are filled with such things. That's the difference between a production car and a street rod or a hand built super car. How can I make this clearer... A 2003 mustang has a non-cosmetic front bumper that is simply painted covered with a urathane cosmetic cover. A 1965 mustang has a chromed steel front bumper. Making a cosmetic piece like a bumper out of steel and finishing it with chrome is more expensive than making it out of a mold covering a simple stamped and spot welded bumper in a production environment. (replacement is a different story in this case) Another example: A 1965 mustang has headlamp buckets formed of sheet metal and has formed sheet metal on the fenders to aid in holding the headlamps in place. The headlamps are made of glass. A 2003 mustang has headlamps made of plastic they attached to a plastic piece that not only attaches the lamps to the car but serves as the headlamp bucket. A 1997 mustang has a trunk lid formed from multiple sheet metal parts and some plastic trim pieces. A 1999 mustang has a composite trunk lid. This is what I am talking about. A 2003 mustang isn't a stripper compared to a 1965 by any means. But it has many part and design aspects that are reduced in cost to make. Ford engineers are more than capable enough to make another car that is roughly like the GT but geared towards mass production. But ford isn't into making production cars for performance in the US market. It's into making performance collectables. To say ford can't do that is to say that ford's engineers are inferior to those at GM and dodge. The problem is there is no will (marketing department desire) to do it.
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Joe 28 January 2005 16:44:46 [ permanent link ]
	tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in news:UvGdnWL4fPUcKmTcRVn-qg@comcast.com: In article <35tnp1F4rsnepU2@individual.net>, Joe wrote:>> tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in > Raiding the existing parts bin to produce a less costly car = >>>> stripper. Putting any kind of "niceities" in will increase cost.> Stripper is no heater, no radio, no passenger seat, ripping out>>> stuff. Using steel instead of carbon fiber is cost reduced. > Ford however is still into instant collectable marketing so they>>>>> won't.> I don't believe the could do it if they wanted to.>>> They could. Any decent mechanical engineer can. > Maybe we differ on the definition of 'stripper'. To me, it's >> basically a no-option car. Ask Patrick about that. "Stripped" is >> what you're describing.> No I am not. Using a plastic windshield washer bottle instead of a> metal one. Using sheetmetal instead of a casting. Using a plastic> injection molded part instead of a multi-piece sheet metal assembly,> etc and so forth. That's what I am talking about. All production> cars are filled with such things. That's the difference between a> production car and a street rod or a hand built super car. > How can I make this clearer... A 2003 mustang has a non-cosmetic> front bumper that is simply painted covered with a urathane cosmetic> cover. A 1965 mustang has a chromed steel front bumper. Making a> cosmetic piece like a bumper out of steel and finishing it with> chrome is more expensive than making it out of a mold covering a> simple stamped and spot welded bumper in a production environment.> (replacement is a different story in this case) Another example: A> 1965 mustang has headlamp buckets formed of sheet metal and has> formed sheet metal on the fenders to aid in holding the headlamps in> place. The headlamps are made of glass. A 2003 mustang has headlamps> made of plastic they attached to a plastic piece that not only> attaches the lamps to the car but serves as the headlamp bucket. A> 1997 mustang has a trunk lid formed from multiple sheet metal parts> and some plastic trim pieces. A 1999 mustang has a composite trunk > lid. > This is what I am talking about. A 2003 mustang isn't a stripper> compared to a 1965 by any means. But it has many part and design> aspects that are reduced in cost to make. > Ford engineers are more than capable enough to make another car that> is roughly like the GT but geared towards mass production. But ford> isn't into making production cars for performance in the US market.> It's into making performance collectables. > To say ford can't do that is to say that ford's engineers are> inferior to those at GM and dodge. The problem is there is no will> (marketing department desire) to do it. "What we have here is a failure to communicate." The Mustang GT is already pretty inexpensive for what it is. You don't think that Ford has cut costs as far as it can with that car? The Ford GT was designed to be a "performance collectible" as you put it. My point is that Ford can't make that car a car for the masses because they have no budget or directive to do so. Both the Corvette and Viper are available to the masses, but Ford doesn't have the capability to compete at that level given their current financial status. Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
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ZombyWoof 28 January 2005 19:25:11 [ permanent link ]
	On 28 Jan 2005 02:53:22 GMT, Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote something wonderfully witty: tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in >news:nIWdnZ2QcozNOWTcRVn-rA@comcast.com:> In article <35r006F4lhojtU3@individual.net>, Joe wrote:>> In so many words, a stripper? Or a Cobra?>>>> No. A cost reduced version.>>> A stripper.>> A stripper is ripping out stuff. Cost reduced is having the stuff, >it >> just costs less to make. >> Instead of say a billet windshield>>>> washer bottle, a simple plastic from a mustang or crown vic for>>>> instance.>> Who's putting billet windshield washer bottles in their cars?>> The initial GT show cars had something silly like that.>> Other parts can be made by less expensive processes, etc.>>>> The car will probably be heavier and not handle quite as well, but>>>> it will cost significantly less to build. Version may not even be>>>> the right word since what will result will be a different car.>> Raiding the existing parts bin to produce a less costly car = >>> stripper. Putting any kind of "niceities" in will increase cost.>> Stripper is no heater, no radio, no passenger seat, ripping out >stuff.>> Using steel instead of carbon fiber is cost reduced. >> Ford however is still into instant collectable marketing so they>>>> won't.>>> I don't believe the could do it if they wanted to.>> They could. Any decent mechanical engineer can. > Maybe we differ on the definition of 'stripper'. To me, it's >basically a no-option car. Ask Patrick about that. "Stripped" is >what you're describing.> That would be my definition as well. The Z06 was supposed to be that at one time. No power anything, and even A/C was supposed to be either a delete or option. For a while it was being referred to as the Billy Bob or Bubba Vette. Of course GM decided to not go in that direction, but just imagine if they had and the price reflected to no-option aspect of the car. We might have ended up with a 30K street eater that no one could touch. Hell now even the base V6 Mustang coupe is now full-power everything. Can't anyone roll up a window any more? -- "Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade
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Brent P 28 January 2005 19:40:55 [ permanent link ]
	In article <35uqduF4qea68U1@individual.net>, Joe wrote: This is what I am talking about. A 2003 mustang isn't a stripper>> compared to a 1965 by any means. But it has many part and design>> aspects that are reduced in cost to make. >> Ford engineers are more than capable enough to make another car that>> is roughly like the GT but geared towards mass production. But ford>> isn't into making production cars for performance in the US market.>> It's into making performance collectables. >> To say ford can't do that is to say that ford's engineers are>> inferior to those at GM and dodge. The problem is there is no will>> (marketing department desire) to do it. > "What we have here is a failure to communicate."> The Mustang GT is already pretty inexpensive for what it is. You > don't think that Ford has cut costs as far as it can with that car? Not talking about the mustang GT. talking about ford building a car comparable to the vette. The Ford GT was designed to be a "performance collectible" as you put > it. My point is that Ford can't make that car a car for the masses > because they have no budget or directive to do so. Both the Corvette > and Viper are available to the masses, but Ford doesn't have the > capability to compete at that level given their current financial > status. Ford CAN do it. They WON'T do it. And if what the sales droid tells me is correct, I'll won't be buying another new ford anyway. New mustang cobra at 55 grand without IRS. But sales droid probably wanted to get me to buy a GT today....
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