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CarGuru > Driving > Congestion Article in USA Today's online edition 11 May 2005 02:39:45
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Congestion Article in USA Today's online edition

Andrew Farina 9 May 2005 22:10:26
 Greetings once again. I happened to see this article on congestion when
I looked for the link to the HOT lane article. I'm actually quite
surprised that some cities have lowered their "time lost" on the road.

http://www.usatoday­.com/news/nation/200­5-05-09-traffic-stud­y_x.htm

- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -

Andrew Farina

God bless the USA !

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Ill 9 May 2005 22:20:44 [ permanent link ]
 Andrew Farina wrote:> Greetings once again. I happened to see this article on congestion when> I looked for the link to the HOT lane article. I'm actually quite> surprised that some cities have lowered their "time lost" on the road.>
http://www.usatoday­.com/news/nation/200­5-05-09-traffic-stud­y_x.htm>
- -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- ->
Andrew Farina>
God bless the USA !>

The lowering was due to population movement. More suburban to suburban
commuters that go unreported.

At least they're building new roads in Iraq on our dollars!

http://www.defendam­erica.mil/articles/o­ct2004/a102604a.html­ <--US Gov't
site btw....

http://www.iraqcoal­ition.org/pressrelea­ses/20040129_PMO-rec­onstruct.html

Tasked with launching the massive $18.4-billion U.S.-funded effort to
rebuild Iraq, retired U.S. Navy Adm. David J. Nash stepped up to lead
the Pentagon’s streamlining of a complex military procurement process to
rapidly award reconstruction work, even as hostilities continued. Under
Nash’s direction, the Iraq Program Management Office mobilized
contractors, workers and equipment to the war-torn country. Despite
insurgent attacks and escalating security concerns and costs, more than
$1 billion in construction contracts was put in place between March 2004
and Nash’s departure from Baghdad in September.

That's your money being spent on foreigners that are already getting our
money via gas...


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Khjc@Jersey.Net 9 May 2005 22:35:45 [ permanent link ]
 Mentioned in the article was patrols to help assist motorists in
accidents quickly. NJ has their ESP - Emergency Service Patrols - on
most limited access highways from 4AM to 8PM weekdays. The early time
helps with those accidents that occur at 5am - clear them in less than
an hour, and rush hour is generally saved. Come summertime, they may
be out as late as midnight on some major thru and shore routes.

They're also out on the weekends throughout the state to help, although
the hours are generally shorter.

The cops also have a policy to keep as many lanes open as possible. I
always compare NJ to PA - PA has a car fire or accident, and the lanes
the accident occurred in plus the next lane is usually closed, and
sometimes even the opposite side's left lane is shut down for emergency
vehicles. In NJ, the state police will keep any lanes open an accident
vehicle isn't resting in.

In PA, an fatal accident a few years ago kept I-95 closed for 8 hours
because an investigator was on site of another accident, and couldn't
get to the 95 one. In NJ, pause traffic for a moment if needbe to
survey a skid mark, but otherwise traffic will be kept moving thru the
scene.

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Pooty Lizard 9 May 2005 22:41:12 [ permanent link ]
 
"ill" <ill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d5o9lv$6071$1@­netnews.upenn.edu...­> That's your money being spent on foreigners that are already getting our > money via gas...

We're building in Canada!???? We get most of our oil from Canada.


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Sancho Panza 9 May 2005 23:20:41 [ permanent link ]
 
"Pooty Lizard" <pootylizard@hotmai­l.com> wrote in message
news:K6Ofe.4258$7A2­.3955@bignews6.bells­outh.net...> > That's your money being spent on foreigners that are already getting our> > money via gas...>
We're building in Canada!???? We get most of our oil from Canada.

The largest single foreign source of crude in the U.S. is Venezuela.


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Ill 9 May 2005 23:39:49 [ permanent link ]
 Pooty Lizard wrote:> "ill" <ill@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:d5o9lv$6071$1@­netnews.upenn.edu...­>
That's your money being spent on foreigners that are already getting our >>money via gas...>
We're building in Canada!???? We get most of our oil from Canada. >

It's Saudi Arabia....although Canada is a large supplier....which is
still a foreign coutry.

Canada benefits by not requiring a substantial military. I call that a
large cost savings for a country's government.
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Ill 10 May 2005 00:01:58 [ permanent link ]
 Sancho Panza wrote:> "Pooty Lizard" <pootylizard@hotmai­l.com> wrote in message> news:K6Ofe.4258$7A2­.3955@bignews6.bells­outh.net...>
That's your money being spent on foreigners that are already getting our>>>money via gas...>>
We're building in Canada!???? We get most of our oil from Canada.>
The largest single foreign source of crude in the U.S. is Venezuela.>

it's Saudi Oil

http://www.eia.doe.­gov/pub/oil_gas/petr­oleum/data_publicati­ons/petroleum_supply­_monthly/current/pdf­/table37.pdf

and that's a fact

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Arif Khokar 10 May 2005 00:18:34 [ permanent link ]
 Sancho Panza wrote:
The largest single foreign source of crude in the U.S. is Venezuela.

That's it. We must invade Brazil now so that Venezuala is not
threatened by their neighbor.
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Techno79 10 May 2005 02:29:54 [ permanent link ]
 Not the largest single source i thought, but if it was, won't be soon.
Our comander in chief likes to talk trash about this guy, he's going to
cut the facuet off real soon!

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Techno79 10 May 2005 02:32:01 [ permanent link ]
 I saw this in the front of all the major congested cities newspapers.
What a waste of money. Should be titled, nations highway system fails
even more. This wouldn't be tolerated for anything else, yet it is for
a road, and we'll dump more money into it.
Half of congestion is caused by wrecks? Do fishing rods have that type
of safety problem? Another problem.

Also noted a lot of the stats are out in exurbia that's the worst.
No-crap sherlock, ever go outside?

Then, my favorite was the cities who actually decreased. Happened to
be five with either excellant transit, or is building upon it.

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Sancho Panza 10 May 2005 02:45:37 [ permanent link ]
 
"techno79" <techno79@netzero.c­om> wrote in message
news:1115677794.665­400.195970@z14g2000c­wz.googlegroups.com.­..> Not the largest single source i thought, but if it was, won't be soon.> Our comander in chief likes to talk trash about this guy, he's going to> cut the facuet off real soon!>


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Sancho Panza 10 May 2005 02:46:47 [ permanent link ]
 
"techno79" <techno79@netzero.c­om> wrote in message
news:1115677794.665­400.195970@z14g2000c­wz.googlegroups.com.­..> Not the largest single source i thought, but if it was, won't be soon.> Our comander in chief likes to talk trash about this guy, he's going to> cut the facuet off real soon!

And Ill is correct. I was using last year's figures, from when I was there.
Thanks for the update. Chavez must already be shifting much of his heavy
crude away from his eight Citgo refineries here toward China.








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Enough Already 10 May 2005 06:31:01 [ permanent link ]
 Andrew Farina wrote:
Greetings once again. I happened to see this article on congestion
when> I looked for the link to the HOT lane article. I'm actually quite> surprised that some cities have lowered their "time lost" on the
road.>
http://www.usatoday­.com/news/nation/200­5-05-09-traffic-stud­y_x.htm

The few cities where commutes have improved are flukes. Those special
cases had better not make planners ignore the obvious cause of all this
congestion. Traffic is but one symptom of human overpopulation.

If projections hold true, the U.S. population will reach 420 million by
2050. California alone will have over 60 million people by then. Will
they still be doing "studies" to learn that there are simply too damned
many people in a finite world?

If all those cars were a massive herd of cattle bunched up in a valley,
everyone would agree it was just too many cattle. But with people, it's
always a "lack of roads," "insufficient planning" or some other
mindless growth-apology.

E.A.

http://enough_alrea­dy.tripod.com/
If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague.

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Enough Already 10 May 2005 08:17:27 [ permanent link ]
 techno79 wrote:
Then, my favorite was the cities who actually decreased. Happened to> be five with either excellant transit, or is building upon it.

I wouldn't get complacent about any of that. Mindless population growth
is currently fulfilling projections of 420 million Americans by 2050.
All those new people will easily erase transit efficiency gains. Same
old story.

Of course, "Smart Growth" lunacy will keep offering futile solutions to
a problem we easily recognize when other species get overpopulated.

"NO growth, period!" may become the popular cry when California hits,
say 45 million. 50 million Californians by 2025 is the current
estimate, with 60 million projected by 2040. I've even seen scary
guesses of 100 million in CA by late century. I hope there's a revolt
long before then! People have a way of waiting for the worst to happen
while assuming it never quite will.

We could simply tackle the root of this problem and ask folks to use
more birth control or stay in their homelands and overcrowd their own
infrastructure. Cars don't just put themselves on roads, and more
people drive more of them.

E.A.

http://enough_alrea­dy.tripod.cÂom/
If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague.

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Sherman L. Cahal 10 May 2005 09:57:02 [ permanent link ]
 Enough Already wrote:
"NO growth, period!" may become the popular cry when California hits,> say 45 million. 50 million Californians by 2025 is the current> estimate, with 60 million projected by 2040. I've even seen scary> guesses of 100 million in CA by late century. I hope there's a revolt> long before then! People have a way of waiting for the worst to
happen> while assuming it never quite will.>
We could simply tackle the root of this problem and ask folks to use> more birth control or stay in their homelands and overcrowd their own> infrastructure. Cars don't just put themselves on roads, and more> people drive more of them.

Actually, if the US did not "import" so many Mexicans and would limit
their influx, our population levels would stablize quite a bit,
especially in the southwest, where all those homes are drinking up what
little water there is for their lush lawns and golf courses. Phoenix,
Tucson, I'm looking at you :0

I would rather we be in the majority of Europe and Japan's situation,
where we are losing some population.

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Guest 10 May 2005 19:05:14 [ permanent link ]
 The Dallas-Fort Worth metro area attracted 150,000 new residents last
year--that's about 410 people A DAY. That's up from a number I heard
in a recent previous year (don't know exactly when), a daily number of
around 300. From the looks of things around here, most of those 410
aren't riding our wonderful transit systems...

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Ill 10 May 2005 19:42:05 [ permanent link ]
 Sancho Panza wrote:> "techno79" <techno79@netzero.c­om> wrote in message> news:1115677794.665­400.195970@z14g2000c­wz.googlegroups.com.­..>
Not the largest single source i thought, but if it was, won't be soon.>>Our comander in chief likes to talk trash about this guy, he's going to>>cut the facuet off real soon!>
And Ill is correct. I was using last year's figures, from when I was there.> Thanks for the update. Chavez must already be shifting much of his heavy> crude away from his eight Citgo refineries here toward China.>

I was lucky I found them...not so easy..had to run a couple until I hit
the DOE's site...

DO you think they will rebound? (venezuela that is...)
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George Conklin 11 May 2005 02:39:45 [ permanent link ]
 
<us175@hotmail.com>­ wrote in message
news:1115737514.250­899.265150@o13g2000c­wo.googlegroups.com.­..> The Dallas-Fort Worth metro area attracted 150,000 new residents last> year--that's about 410 people A DAY. That's up from a number I heard> in a recent previous year (don't know exactly when), a daily number of> around 300. From the looks of things around here, most of those 410> aren't riding our wonderful transit systems...>

Can someone say where that Texas group gets its data from? The census
does NOT show commute times changing very much.


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