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IN goes to 70mph
Marc Fannin 7 May 2005 01:37:30
	"Governor approves higher speeds" (5/6/05) http://tinyurl.com/e2hhu (www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050506/NEWS01/50506010) "Gov. Mitch Daniels paved the way for higher speed limits on rural interstates and state highways today, saying he had no qualms about letting Hoosiers drive faster. Senate Enrolled Act 217, which Daniels signed into law, will take effect July 1. However, passenger cars, SUVs and pickups cannot begin traveling 70 mph on interstates and the Indiana Toll Road and 60 mph on state highways until new signs are posted." [snip] ________________________________________________________________________ Marc Fannin\|musxf579@kent.edu or @hotmail.com\| http://www.roadfan.com/ [Also posted on GLR]
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K Flynn 7 May 2005 01:43:13 [ permanent link ]
	Marc Fannin wrote:> ...However, passenger cars, SUVs and pickups cannot begin> traveling 70 mph on interstates and the Indiana Toll Road and 60 mph state highways until new signs are posted." [snip] I'll bet they've already begun and have been doing 70 for quite some time!
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Chris Bessert 7 May 2005 01:46:17 [ permanent link ]
	k_flynn@lycos.com wrote: Marc Fannin wrote:> ...However, passenger cars, SUVs and pickups cannot begin>>traveling 70 mph on interstates and the Indiana Toll Road and 60 mph>>on state highways until new signs are posted." [snip]> I'll bet they've already begun and have been doing 70 for quite some> time! Those darn Michiganders next door have been setting a VERY bad example for those Hoosiers for years... Later, Chris -- Chris Bessert Bessert1@aol.com http://www.michiganhighways.org http://www.wisconsinhighways.org http://www.ontariohighways.org
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Michael E Dziatkowicz 7 May 2005 06:21:48 [ permanent link ]
	"Chris Bessert" <bessert1@aol.com> wrote in message news:d5goj9$2q19$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu...> k_flynn@lycos.com wrote:> Marc Fannin wrote:>> ...However, passenger cars, SUVs and pickups cannot begin>>>traveling 70 mph on interstates and the Indiana Toll Road and 60 mph>>>on state highways until new signs are posted." [snip]>> I'll bet they've already begun and have been doing 70 for quite some>> time!> Those darn Michiganders next door have been setting a VERY bad example> for those Hoosiers for years...> Later,> Chris I already emailed the DOT about the toll road's speed limit and they said that the section suitable for 70mph speed is from milemarker 26 to the ohio state line and it will be posted at 70 on july 1st. Which is awesome cause that means i can do the speed limit in indiana on my way to see my uncle in chicago. Now if I could only get the Ohio Turnpike Commission to raise the limit to 70 or 75 on the turnpike then I'd be even happier. Oh well since half the trip is in ohio (yes i admit it seems like I never get out of ohio and i want to kiss the ground when i finally reach indiana).
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Guest 7 May 2005 07:32:02 [ permanent link ]
	michael e dziatkowicz wrote:> I already emailed the DOT about the toll road's speed limit and they said> that the section suitable for 70mph speed is from milemarker 26 to the ohio> state line and it will be posted at 70 on july 1st. Only MM 26?? Surely it could be 70 at least as far west as I-94; maybe even I-69. Guy Olsen, PE (NJ)
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Larry Harvilla 8 May 2005 02:29:36 [ permanent link ]
	Marc Fannin wrote:> "Governor approves higher speeds" (5/6/05)> http://tinyurl.com/e2hhu> (www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050506/NEWS01/50506010)> "Gov. Mitch Daniels paved the way for higher speed limits on rural> interstates and state highways today, saying he had no qualms about> letting Hoosiers drive faster.> Senate Enrolled Act 217, which Daniels signed into law, will take> effect July 1. However, passenger cars, SUVs and pickups cannot begin> traveling 70 mph on interstates and the Indiana Toll Road and 60 mph on> state highways until new signs are posted." [snip]> ________________________________________________________________________> Marc Fannin\|musxf579@kent.edu or @hotmail.com\| http://www.roadfan.com/> [Also posted on GLR] What is going to become of the truck speed limit? Will it remain at 60 mph or rise to 65 mph? -- Larry Harvilla E-mail: roads AT phatpage DOT org also visit: http://www.phatpage.org/ Highways section in progress.
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Nick C 8 May 2005 02:48:42 [ permanent link ]
	"Larry Harvilla" <roads@phatpage.org> wrote in message news:2rKdnZUTnKfT3ODfRVn-1Q@giganews.com...> Marc Fannin wrote:>> "Governor approves higher speeds" (5/6/05)>> http://tinyurl.com/e2hhu>> (www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050506/NEWS01/50506010)>> "Gov. Mitch Daniels paved the way for higher speed limits on rural>> interstates and state highways today, saying he had no qualms about>> letting Hoosiers drive faster.>> Senate Enrolled Act 217, which Daniels signed into law, will take>> effect July 1. However, passenger cars, SUVs and pickups cannot begin>> traveling 70 mph on interstates and the Indiana Toll Road and 60 mph on>> state highways until new signs are posted." [snip]>> ________________________________________________________________________>> Marc Fannin\|musxf579@kent.edu or @hotmail.com\| http://www.roadfan.com/>> [Also posted on GLR]> What is going to become of the truck speed limit? Will it remain at 60> mph or rise to 65 mph?> IIRC, the truck speed limit increases to 65.
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Michael E Dziatkowicz 8 May 2005 04:53:06 [ permanent link ]
	<GuyPOlsen@AOL.com> wrote in message news:1115436722.257713.65350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> michael e dziatkowicz wrote:>> I already emailed the DOT about the toll road's speed limit and they> said>> that the section suitable for 70mph speed is from milemarker 26 to> the ohio>> state line and it will be posted at 70 on july 1st.> Only MM 26?? Surely it could be 70 at least as far west as I-94;> maybe even I-69.> Guy Olsen, PE (NJ)> " I was forwarded your question on when and where the Toll Road will raise the speed to 70 MPH. After speaking with my supervisor earlier today, I can tell you that we will not raise the speed limit on the Toll Road until Governor Daniels signs the bill into law and we receive instruction from Central Office to install the new speed limit signs. The area of the Toll Road designed to carry traffic at a speed of 70 MPH starts at Milepost 28 and extends east to the Ohio State Line (Milepost 157). From Milepost 28 to the Illinois State Line, there will be no change in the posted speed limit. Feel free to contact me with any additional questions you may have." That is what they emailed me earlier this week.
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John F. Carr 8 May 2005 18:25:35 [ permanent link ]
	In article <lbadnYhhHfuiu-HfRVn-2A@comcast.com>, michael e dziatkowicz <mnmma@comcast.net> wrote:> I already emailed the DOT about the toll road's speed limit and they said >that the section suitable for 70mph speed is from milemarker 26 to the ohio >state line and it will be posted at 70 on july 1st. Are they simply reposting the entire 65 zone at 70? Is the speed limit west of mile marker 26 55 now? The new statutory speed limit is 70 on the toll road even in urban areas. -- John Carr (jfc@mit.edu)
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John F. Carr 8 May 2005 18:28:20 [ permanent link ]
	In article <2rKdnZUTnKfT3ODfRVn-1Q@giganews.com>, Larry Harvilla <roads@phatpage.org> wrote:>What is going to become of the truck speed limit? Will it remain at 60>mph or rise to 65 mph? The statutory speed limit will be 70 (65 trucks) on rural Interstates and the Indiana toll road, 65 on any highway "classified as an INDOT Freeway", and 60 on rural divided highways. http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2005/SE/SE0217.1.html -- John Carr (jfc@mit.edu)
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Andrew Farina 9 May 2005 00:45:14 [ permanent link ]
	John F. Carr wrote:> In article <2rKdnZUTnKfT3ODfRVn-1Q@giganews.com>,> Larry Harvilla <roads@phatpage.org> wrote:> >What is going to become of the truck speed limit? Will it remain at mph or rise to 65 mph?> The statutory speed limit will be> 70 (65 trucks) on rural Interstates and the Indiana toll road,> 65 on any highway "classified as an INDOT Freeway", and> 60 on rural divided highways.> http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2005/SE/SE0217.1.html> --> John Carr (jfc@mit.edu) What is considered an "INDOT Freeway" ? Does this refer to only urban freeways (i.e. I-465) or also some freeways that are half-way (i.e. US 20 around Elkhart) ? - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - Andrew Farina
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John F. Carr 9 May 2005 04:49:09 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1115585114.400092.48000@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Andrew Farina <farine11@hotmail.com> wrote:> John F. Carr wrote:>> The statutory speed limit will be>> 70 (65 trucks) on rural Interstates and the Indiana toll road,>> 65 on any highway "classified as an INDOT Freeway", and>> 60 on rural divided highways.>> http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2005/SE/SE0217.1.html> What is considered an "INDOT Freeway" ? Does this refer to only urban>freeways (i.e. I-465) or also some freeways that are half-way (i.e. US>20 around Elkhart) ? US 20 and 31 around Elkhart is specifically mentioned in the law as having a 65 MPH statutory speed limit. Otherwise, "a highway classified by the Indiana department of transportation as an INDOT Freeway" has a 65 MPH statutory speed limit. There is no urban exclusion as there is for the 60 and 70 MPH speed limits. Presumably the department could classify urban Interstates as "INDOT Freeways" to raise the speed limit, but it could also simply raise the speed limit without such designation because there is nothing in state law (that I have found) limiting the DOT's ability to raise state highway speed limits above the statutory speed limit. -- John Carr (jfc@mit.edu)
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Andrew Farina 9 May 2005 22:18:23 [ permanent link ]
	When I read the specified section regarding US 20 and US 31 I was confused. I was curious if this was their example of an "INDOT Freeway". If not, is this highway being specified because of its proximity to an urban area. Another confusing thing for me is that I know I-70 and I-65 inside the Indy Beltway is only 50mph for most of the distance. With those highways not being excluded from the bill, what will their speed limit be. My assumption was as yours, that the DOT could just raise the speed limit. If so, would they only raise it to 55 or 60 ? I guess the root of my confusion centers around what the DOT is calling an "INDOT freeway". Is there a log or listing of these highways ? - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - Andrew Farina Getting more confused about roads than about the treatises of Schoenberg . . .
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Marc Fannin 10 May 2005 01:08:21 [ permanent link ]
	Andrew Farina wrote: When I read the specified section regarding US 20 and US 31 I was> confused. I was curious if this was their example of an "INDOT> Freeway". If not, is this highway being specified because of its> proximity to an urban area. IIRC this highway is specified separately because it was being considered on its own, and later got folded into this bill-turned-law. I guess the root of my confusion centers around what the DOT is calling> an "INDOT freeway". Apparently it's simply any freeway not on the Interstate system. There IS a listing of official INDOT definitions ( http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title8/ar23/ch1.html ), but "freeway" is not on there (nor is "urban expressway", a quoted INDOT term, which apparently many other states simply call "expressway"). Keyword searches were inconclusive. The INDOT section of the Indiana Code is at http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title8/ar23/ if anyone wants to do more in-depth searching. Is there a log or listing of these highways ? The "Roadway Referencing System" ( http://www.state.in.us/dot/pubs/ , scroll down to "Manuals") is a good log, but I don't think it makes the distinction inquired about in this thread.... ________________________________________________________________________ Marc Fannin\|musxf579@kent.edu or @hotmail.com\| http://www.roadfan.com/
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Michael E Dziatkowicz 10 May 2005 02:50:00 [ permanent link ]
	read my post above. From milemarker 28 and eastward it's supposed to be 70 and the current limit remains from 28 and westward. I think it's 55 up until the barrier at mm23 then 50 or 45 to the illinois line. "John F. Carr" <jfc@mit.edu> wrote in message news:427e215f$0$579$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...> In article <lbadnYhhHfuiu-HfRVn-2A@comcast.com>,> michael e dziatkowicz <mnmma@comcast.net> wrote:>> I already emailed the DOT about the toll road's speed limit and they said>>that the section suitable for 70mph speed is from milemarker 26 to the >>ohio>>state line and it will be posted at 70 on july 1st.> Are they simply reposting the entire 65 zone at 70? Is the speed limit> west of mile marker 26 55 now?> The new statutory speed limit is 70 on the toll road even in urban areas.> -- > John Carr (jfc@mit.edu)
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Andrew Farina 10 May 2005 04:27:43 [ permanent link ]
	Marc Fannin wrote:> Andrew Farina wrote:> When I read the specified section regarding US 20 and US 31 I was> > confused. I was curious if this was their example of an "INDOT> > Freeway". If not, is this highway being specified because of its> > proximity to an urban area.> IIRC this highway is specified separately because it was being> considered on its own, and later got folded into this bill-turned-law.> I guess the root of my confusion centers around what the DOT is> calling> > an "INDOT freeway".> Apparently it's simply any freeway not on the Interstate system. There> IS a listing of official INDOT definitions> ( http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title8/ar23/ch1.html ), but> "freeway" is not on there (nor is "urban expressway", a quoted INDOT> term, which apparently many other states simply call "expressway").> Keyword searches were inconclusive. The INDOT section of the Indiana> Code is at http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title8/ar23/ if> anyone wants to do more in-depth searching.> Is there a log or listing of these highways ?> The "Roadway Referencing System" ( http://www.state.in.us/dot/pubs/ ,> scroll down to "Manuals") is a good log, but I don't think it makes distinction inquired about in this thread....> ________________________________________________________________________> Marc Fannin\|musxf579@kent.edu or @hotmail.com\| http://www.roadfan.com/ Thanks, Marc. It makes much more sense to me now. I was a bit confused by the language of the bill. I'm curious to see it implimented and see what happens. I know that I'll most likely be driving through Indiana on the week of 04 July, so I'll check it out and see if there is anything on either I-70 or I-69. - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- - Andrew Farina
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John F. Carr 10 May 2005 20:22:00 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1115662703.138533.323060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Andrew Farina <farine11@hotmail.com> wrote:>Another confusing thing for me is that I know I-70 and I-65 inside the>Indy Beltway is only 50mph for most of the distance. With those>highways not being excluded from the bill, what will their speed limit>be. My assumption was as yours, that the DOT could just raise the speed>limit. If so, would they only raise it to 55 or 60 ? The 50 MPH is a zoned limit, not a statutory limit, and if the DOT was doing its job the limit is justified by an engineering study and need not change. Most likely, the limit is not reasonable but the DOT won't change it. Some states reduced urban speed limits during the NMSL era to provide more contrast with the 55 MPH rural limit. If Indiana's limits are low for this reason, they might increase. Connecticut raised the speed limit on I-84 through Hartford from 40 to 50 when rural limits were allowed to increase to 65. -- John Carr (jfc@mit.edu)
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Jeff Carlyle 16 May 2005 09:40:02 [ permanent link ]
	Marc Fannin <musxf579@kent.edu> wrote:> "Governor approves higher speeds" (5/6/05)> http://tinyurl.com/e2hhu> (www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050506/NEWS01/50506010)> "Gov. Mitch Daniels paved the way for higher speed limits on rural> interstates and state highways today, saying he had no qualms about> letting Hoosiers drive faster.> Senate Enrolled Act 217, which Daniels signed into law, will take> effect July 1. However, passenger cars, SUVs and pickups cannot begin> traveling 70 mph on interstates and the Indiana Toll Road and 60 mph> on state highways until new signs are posted." [snip] So I guess the question is, will a driver still be able to drive 77 MPH and not get pulled over? -- // Jeffrey Carlyle - jeffrey@carlyle.org - http://www.jeffc.org/
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Arif Khokar 16 May 2005 23:11:05 [ permanent link ]
	Jeff Carlyle wrote: So I guess the question is, will a driver still be able to drive 77 MPH and > not get pulled over? If you set the speed limit to 80 mph, then the driver will not be pulled over for doing 77 mph.
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Sir Hailstone the BOFH 17 May 2005 04:38:17 [ permanent link ]
	Chris Bessert wrote: k_flynn@lycos.com wrote:> Marc Fannin wrote:>> ...However, passenger cars, SUVs and pickups cannot begin>>> traveling 70 mph on interstates and the Indiana Toll Road and 60 mph>>> on state highways until new signs are posted." [snip]>> I'll bet they've already begun and have been doing 70 for quite some>> time!> Those darn Michiganders next door have been setting a VERY bad example> for those Hoosiers for years...> Later,> Chris> -- > Chris Bessert PUH-LEEZE! I-465 is not called the "Mega Indy 500" for nothing. Literally. 10 laps around the inner lanes of the "inner belt" come out to a tad more than 500 miles (yes I know 465 is officially 53 miles around, that's measured on the median)
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Sir Hailstone the BOFH 17 May 2005 04:41:39 [ permanent link ]
	John F. Carr wrote: In article <lbadnYhhHfuiu-HfRVn-2A@comcast.com>,> michael e dziatkowicz <mnmma@comcast.net> wrote:> I already emailed the DOT about the toll road's speed limit and they said >>that the section suitable for 70mph speed is from milemarker 26 to the ohio >>state line and it will be posted at 70 on july 1st.> Are they simply reposting the entire 65 zone at 70? Is the speed limit> west of mile marker 26 55 now?> The new statutory speed limit is 70 on the toll road even in urban areas.> I think MP 26 is the Portage Toll Plaza where it changes from a ticket toll system to a barrier toll system.
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Sir Hailstone the BOFH 17 May 2005 04:44:24 [ permanent link ]
	Andrew Farina wrote: John F. Carr wrote:> In article <2rKdnZUTnKfT3ODfRVn-1Q@giganews.com>,>>Larry Harvilla <roads@phatpage.org> wrote:>> What is going to become of the truck speed limit? Will it remain at> mph or rise to 65 mph?>> The statutory speed limit will be>>70 (65 trucks) on rural Interstates and the Indiana toll road,>>65 on any highway "classified as an INDOT Freeway", and>>60 on rural divided highways.>> http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2005/SE/SE0217.1.html>> -->> John Carr (jfc@mit.edu)> What is considered an "INDOT Freeway" ? Does this refer to only urban> freeways (i.e. I-465) or also some freeways that are half-way (i.e. US> 20 around Elkhart) ?> - -- --- ---- ----- ---- --- -- -> Andrew Farina> Sections of US41/SR63, sections of US31 from Kokomo to South Bend. Sections of US24 along the "Hoosier Heritage Highway" .. Definitely the US31/US20 South Bend Bypass. Sections of US30 from Peru to Warsaw I think are freeway. INDOT is supposed to do traffic studies to determine which roads will get higher limits.
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