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Re: Colorado fines left lane drivers

Rj 5 April 2005 03:25:10
 <k_flynn@lycos.com> wrote:
Paul Anderson wrote:> > Colorado is fining drivers who dawdle in the left lane.> >
From the article:> >
...about 90 percent of the drivers he has pulled over for dawdling> or> > cruising in the left lane said they didn't know that it was> illegal> > to do so.> >
Amazing. Don't they teach this stuff in driver's ed?>
As noted in the story, the law was passed only recently. Most of the> people on the road today haven't taken an updated driver's ed class in> the last three months.>
Up until then, it was not illegal.

It's incredibly stupid of the legislature to overlook that until now.

--
RJ
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Steve Riner 5 April 2005 05:57:56 permanent link ]
 Some clarification and comment:

First, the law became effective July 1, 2004. It was enforced only with
warnings until January 1 of this year.

Out of state drivers may not be aware of the law because it is
sporadically posted. On I-25 between Denver and Colorado Springs, it is
posted (KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS) at the point where the speed limit
goes from the urban limits to 75 mph. It is also posted where leaving
Castle Rock (a 65 mph zone where the law also applies). Otherwise, I
have only seen the above-referenced sign posted when entering the state
from Kansas on I-70 --- haven't entered from New Mexico lately, so I
don't know whether it's posted there.

Generally, I like the intent of the law. It works well where traffic is
light enough to allow one to cruise at the speed limit in the right
lane and pass where needed. Between Colorado Springs and Denver,
however, I-25 carries enough traffic to need both lanes to carry the
volume of traffic. It's very difficult to fully comply with the law in
that segment and not get stuck behind a slow-moving semi (or RV).

I should also note that the CSP nailed a cocaine trafficer from Texas
just north of Pueblo by pulling them over for violating the left lane
law.

Steve Riner
Pueblo West CO

Explore New Mexico and Minnesota Highways:
http://www.steve-ri­ner.com/nmhighways/n­mhome.htm
http://www.steve-ri­ner.com/mnhighways/m­nhome.htm

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John David Galt 5 April 2005 07:44:22 permanent link ]
 Steve Riner wrote:> Some clarification and comment:>
First, the law became effective July 1, 2004. It was enforced only with> warnings until January 1 of this year.>
Out of state drivers may not be aware of the law because it is> sporadically posted. On I-25 between Denver and Colorado Springs, it is> posted (KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS) at the point where the speed limit> goes from the urban limits to 75 mph. It is also posted where leaving> Castle Rock (a 65 mph zone where the law also applies). Otherwise, I> have only seen the above-referenced sign posted when entering the state> from Kansas on I-70 --- haven't entered from New Mexico lately, so I> don't know whether it's posted there.

Probably not. I-25 is posted 55 for about an hour on each side of the
CO/NM border.
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Jason Pawloski 5 April 2005 09:21:52 permanent link ]
 
Craig Holl wrote:> k_flynn@lycos.com wrote:> > Paul Anderson wrote:> >> Colorado is fining drivers who dawdle in the left lane.> >>
<http://story.news.­yahoo.com/news?tmpl=­story&cid=816&e=2&u=­/ap/20050404/> >> ap_on_fe_st/lingeri­ng_lefties>> >>
From the article:> >>
...about 90 percent of the drivers he has pulled over for> >> dawdling or cruising in the left lane said they didn't know
that> >> it was> > illegal> >> to do so.> >>
Amazing. Don't they teach this stuff in driver's ed?> >
As noted in the story, the law was passed only recently. Most of
people on the road today haven't taken an updated driver's ed class
the last three months.> >
Up until then, it was not illegal.>
But it has been improper use of the lane all that time. I mean,
regardless> of the law, keep right except to pass has been taught in driver's ed
for a> long time. It may not have been the law, but it has been the proper
driving> procedure/courtesy.­>
--> Craig Holl> Mechanical Engineer; New Berlin, WI> www.midwestroads.co­m> *remove all numbers and caps to reply*

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Steve Riner 6 April 2005 03:49:33 permanent link ]
 
John David Galt wrote:> Steve Riner wrote:> > Some clarification and comment:> >
First, the law became effective July 1, 2004. It was enforced only
with> > warnings until January 1 of this year.> >
Out of state drivers may not be aware of the law because it is> > sporadically posted. On I-25 between Denver and Colorado Springs,
it is> > posted (KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS) at the point where the speed
limit> > goes from the urban limits to 75 mph. It is also posted where
leaving> > Castle Rock (a 65 mph zone where the law also applies). Otherwise,
have only seen the above-referenced sign posted when entering the
state> > from Kansas on I-70 --- haven't entered from New Mexico lately, so
don't know whether it's posted there.>
Probably not. I-25 is posted 55 for about an hour on each side of
CO/NM border.

Your response is sardonic, but as a benefit to those not familiar with
the highway I'll note that it's actually 65 mph from the NM/CO border
at Raton Pass north to Trinidad, where it's 55 mph through that town on
a somewhat twisty viaduct, then 75 mph north of Trinidad. And, it's 65
mph from the border heading down Raton Pass south toward Raton. The 65
mph zone persists to the south Raton exit (BL I-25) where it goes up to
75 mph. I agree the 65 mph zone persists too far south at Raton (at a
minimum, it should end at U.S. 64/87). 65 mph is IMO an appropriate
speed limit for the interstate on both sides of Raton Pass (elev.
7800') because of sharp curves and steep grades.

Steve Riner
Pueblo West CO

Explore New Mexico and Minnesota Highways at:
http://www.steve-ri­ner.com/nmhighways/n­mhome.htm
http://www.steve-ri­ner.com/mnhighways/m­nhome.htm

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Arif Khokar 6 April 2005 08:00:27 permanent link ]
 Steve Riner wrote:
65 mph is IMO an appropriate> speed limit for the interstate on both sides of Raton Pass (elev.> 7800') because of sharp curves and steep grades.

Most interstates here in WV have relatively sharp curves and steep
grades (some even exceeding 6%). We still have 70 mph limits for the
most part.
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Khjc@Jersey.Net 7 April 2005 08:16:39 permanent link ]
 They teach keep to the right in pre-school. Remember that bully
running up and down the hall on the left side, pushing people out of
his way? Yep - he's now doing it on the highway, and instead of
pushing people out of the way, he's taking his good ol' time in what he
preceives to be his own private lane.

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John David Galt 7 April 2005 13:23:38 permanent link ]
 
Your response is sardonic, but as a benefit to those not familiar with> the highway I'll note that it's actually 65 mph from the NM/CO border> at Raton Pass north to Trinidad, where it's 55 mph through that town on> a somewhat twisty viaduct, then 75 mph north of Trinidad. And, it's 65> mph from the border heading down Raton Pass south toward Raton. The 65> mph zone persists to the south Raton exit (BL I-25) where it goes up to> 75 mph. I agree the 65 mph zone persists too far south at Raton (at a> minimum, it should end at U.S. 64/87). 65 mph is IMO an appropriate> speed limit for the interstate on both sides of Raton Pass (elev.> 7800') because of sharp curves and steep grades.

Thanks for the correction. I wasn't being sarcastic, I've only been
that way once.
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K Flynn 7 April 2005 19:21:14 permanent link ]
 khjc@jersey.net wrote:> They teach keep to the right in pre-school.

Really? Where?
Remember that bully> running up and down the hall on the left side, pushing people out of> his way? Yep - he's now doing it on the highway, and instead of> pushing people out of the way, he's taking his good ol' time in what
preceives to be his own private lane.

Still, it was not the law here until less than a year ago and so it's
not unusual that most people who've been driving for many years would
not yet be aware of it.

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N8n 7 April 2005 19:30:29 permanent link ]
 
k_fl...@lycos.com wrote:> khjc@jersey.net wrote:> > They teach keep to the right in pre-school.>
Really? Where?>
Remember that bully> > running up and down the hall on the left side, pushing people out
his way? Yep - he's now doing it on the highway, and instead of> > pushing people out of the way, he's taking his good ol' time in
what> he> > preceives to be his own private lane.>
Still, it was not the law here until less than a year ago and so it's> not unusual that most people who've been driving for many years would> not yet be aware of it.

Not exactly. There was an existing law before the new one was passed,
the language just wasn't as clear or as strong. There was some
discussion of this on RAD at the time that the new law was still in the
works.

nate

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Craig Zeni 7 April 2005 19:43:56 permanent link ]
 k_flynn@lycos.com wrote:
Well and good, but as I said to the OP, it should hardly surprise> anyone that 90 percent of those benig ticketed at the moment are> unaware it was illegal, since the law making it actually illegal was> only recently passed. That was the observation to which I was> responding.>
IOW, there's a difference in moving KRETP from a mere courtesy as it> was here in most places to an actual citable traffic infraction, and it> is that distinction of which the story said 90 percent of the people> stopped by the trooper were unaware.

If Colorado is anything like North Carolina, those 90% are living in
paper bags. When NC enacted a law mandating drivers slow down or change
lanes when passing a stopped emergency vehicle I couldn't turn around
without seeing a story about it in the paper or on the tube...

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K Flynn 7 April 2005 22:08:29 permanent link ]
 Craig Zeni wrote:> k_flynn@lycos.com wrote:>
Well and good, but as I said to the OP, it should hardly surprise> > anyone that 90 percent of those benig ticketed at the moment are> > unaware it was illegal, since the law making it actually illegal
only recently passed. That was the observation to which I was> > responding.> >
IOW, there's a difference in moving KRETP from a mere courtesy as
was here in most places to an actual citable traffic infraction,
and it> > is that distinction of which the story said 90 percent of the
people> > stopped by the trooper were unaware.>
If Colorado is anything like North Carolina, those 90% are living in> paper bags. When NC enacted a law mandating drivers slow down or
change> lanes when passing a stopped emergency vehicle I couldn't turn around
without seeing a story about it in the paper or on the tube...

We're too busy skiing. ;>)

I *wrote* some of the stories on it and still space it out.

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Arif Khokar 8 April 2005 00:09:58 permanent link ]
 
khjc@jersey.net wrote:>>They teach keep to the right in pre-school.

k_flynn@lycos.com wrote:> Really? Where?

I don't know about pre-school, but I do remember teachers telling us in
elementary school that we were supposed to walk on the right side of the
hallway and stairwells.

Even now, I still have a strong tendency to walk on the right side of a
corridor.
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K Flynn 8 April 2005 01:22:50 permanent link ]
 Arif Khokar wrote:> > khjc@jersey.net wrote:> >>They teach keep to the right in pre-school.>
k_flynn@lycos.com wrote:> > Really? Where?>
I don't know about pre-school, but I do remember teachers telling us
elementary school that we were supposed to walk on the right side of
hallway and stairwells.>
Even now, I still have a strong tendency to walk on the right side of
corridor.

Good thing you didn't do an exchange student semester in England. ;>)

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K Flynn 8 April 2005 01:37:15 permanent link ]
 N8N wrote:> k_fl...@lycos.com wrote:> > khjc@jersey.net wrote:> > > They teach keep to the right in pre-school.> >
Really? Where?> >
Remember that bully> > > running up and down the hall on the left side, pushing people out> of> > > his way? Yep - he's now doing it on the highway, and instead of> > > pushing people out of the way, he's taking his good ol' time in> what> > he> > > preceives to be his own private lane.> >
Still, it was not the law here until less than a year ago and so
it's> > not unusual that most people who've been driving for many years
would> > not yet be aware of it.>
Not exactly. There was an existing law before the new one was
passed,> the language just wasn't as clear or as strong. There was some> discussion of this on RAD at the time that the new law was still in
works.

I'm not sure there was an existing statute that required KRETP here in
CO until this statute took effect in July. I do know that statutes did
permit driving in any open lane of a multi-lane highway, which sort of
conflicts with KRETP. Do you have a CRS cite? I couldn't find it.

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