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"I-41" roadtrip

Gary V 30 March 2005 22:15:15
 We visited my son in the Appleton area and drove on much of the new
high-priority corridor which may or may not be designated as I-41.

First, not all this corridor is currently signed as US-41. The
southernmost 4 miles or so are I-894, cosigned US-45 (I presume the
corridor starts at I-43, not I-94) and the next 9 miles or so are
US-45. North of that, there's a section that's cosigned US-41/US-45.
All of that section is 6-lane; much of it has a cable median barrier.

Incidentally, if this corridor was given an I number, I-894 could be
decommissioned as it would be totally cosigned with I-43 and the new
route number.

Near Richfield, US-45 splits off to the north; US-41 continues on a NNW
path. The road becomes 4-lane from this point north. Most of it is
asphalt resurfacing, I presume over concrete. That surface varies in
quality, but little of it is what I would consider "good". The day we
were northbound they were doing some sealing of cracks (shiny dark
black liquid). Perhaps this is the reason for the high-priority
status, to get help to redo the road. I don't know if it could be
accomplished by a strip and resurface, or if it would have to be
completely rebuilt.

In the Appleton area, the road is 6 lane again with a Jersey barrier,
all concrete construction. I don't know the status of the final 30 (or
so) miles to Green Bay.

In most areas the shoulders are sub-interstate standard, particularly
along the median. Many places they are paved 2-3 feet, with 4-6 foot
gravel before it slopes dramatically into the median ditch. The median
itself is rather narrow. It would prove very difficult to get a full
paved shoulder here; even a more-or-less level gravel shoulder would be
hard to come by.

Through Oshkosh especially the ROW is too narrow to expand outwards;
the only way a good median shoulder could be built would be by
including a Jersey barrier.

In the rural areas, there would be sufficient land to widen the ROW,
but many overpasses would have to be redone. The existing roadway
paths could be used if a median guard rail were installed at the edge
of the gravel on one side of the road.

The US-41/US-10 (STH-441) interchange in Appleton is interesting. It's
a 3/4 cloverleaf, with no loops on the NB side at all. An interesting
CD lane on the SB 41 side. The roadway bends to the west climbing as a
normal SB-WB ramp would do. Then the roadway splits, and the CD lane
bends back toward the mainline, dropping down to go under the US-10
underpass, and joins with the WB-SB cloverleaf ramp. To compensate for
the lacking ramps, there is a "To US-10 West" direction at the US-45
interchange in Oshkosh. I presume US-10 WB to US-41 SB traffic is
directed to use US-45 in Winchester as well.

In Fond Du Lac the ramps to/from US-151 are closed for rebuilding; at
this time there is only grading. The 151 overpass is also being
rebuilt, but appears to be open to traffic. A new overpass and
interchange is being built less than a mile "south" of the STH-175
intersection; is 175 being relocated? (I say south, but the actual
compass direction is more east or SE.)

Why are some interchanges labeled as XX A-B (XX a mile number) when
there is only one ramp?

And what's with the railroad-signal-sty­le gates at most entrances on
I-94 S of Milwaukee?

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Michael G. Koerner 31 March 2005 22:43:34 [ permanent link ]
 Craig Holl wrote:>
Chris Bessert wrote:> > Gary V wrote:
The US-41/US-10 (STH-441) interchange in Appleton is interesting. It's a> >> 3/4 cloverleaf, with no loops on the NB side at all. An> >> interesting CD lane on the SB 41 side. The roadway bends to the> >> west climbing as a normal SB-WB ramp would do. Then the roadway> >> splits, and the CD lane bends back toward the mainline, dropping> >> down to go under the US-10 underpass, and joins with the WB-SB> >> cloverleaf ramp. To compensate for the lacking ramps, there is a> >> "To US-10 West" direction at the US-45 interchange in Oshkosh. I> >> presume US-10 WB to US-41 SB traffic is directed to use US-45 in> >> Winchester as well.>
The C/D roadway 'rise' and bends were to be used when the new flyovers were> added, but the new interchange design settled upon will not utilize it.

There are no references to 'TO South US 41' on EB US 10/SB US 45
approaching the Winchester interchange.

Also, NB US 45 is also co-marked 'TO West US 10' from US 41 to the
Winchester interchange. These signs were all were added several months
AFTER the highway was opened. I am expecting this to be permanent, as
this is a much shorter routing for NB US 41 to WB US 10 through traffic
than to use a completed US 10/41 'Bridgeview' interchange (between
Appleton and Neenah), which will be more usefull for local traffic.

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Craig Holl 1 April 2005 03:00:24 [ permanent link ]
 Michael G. Koerner wrote:> Chris Bessert wrote:>> Actually, just past Kaukauna (easternmost of the Fox Cities),>> US-41 is an absolutely beautiful facility -- a four lane concrete>> freeway finished just a few years ago. This was one of the last>> two expressway segments to be converted to freeway between MKE>> and GB. Now, the freeway through Green Bay saw some work in the>> past couple years as well...>
Some parts of it are new concrete, other parts are asphalt overlays.> The overlays on that part appear to be holding up well (so far).

I thought that was a short-sighted move when they did that. Now the overlay
sections and the concrete sections will be on separate schedules for
maintenance. This will cause there to be twice as many traffic
interruptions as there would be if the whole project was one material.

--
Craig Holl
Mechanical Engineer; New Berlin, WI
www.midwestroads.co­m
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Archibald Q . Leachington 1 April 2005 09:01:54 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:29:22 -0600, in misc.transport.road­ "Michael G.
Koerner" <mgk920@dataex.com>­ wrote:
For when they have to close I-94/US-41 in case of a heavily Lake>> Effect storm... even though it's Michigan or Indiana that usually>> gets most of the Lake Effect off Lake Michigan... :^P>
Blizzard gates, just like they use use out west. When it snows there,>it REALLY snows. ;-)­>
I am anticipating similar gates to be installed at other places in>Wisconsin where weather closures are common, such as the I-43 Fox River>bridge in Green Bay and on the US 41 Lake Butte des Morts causeway in>Oshkosh. Right now, WisDOT keeps barracades stored right at those>locations to allow for quick highway closure, but it still takes several>people to move and set them all up.>

So why is it that they don't have those gates in NW Indiana nor along
Lake Michigan (I-94/I-196/US-31) in MI?



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Michael G. Koerner 1 April 2005 10:18:14 [ permanent link ]
 "Archibald Q. Leachington" wrote:>
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:29:22 -0600, in misc.transport.road­ "Michael G.> Koerner" <mgk920@dataex.com>­ wrote:>
For when they have to close I-94/US-41 in case of a heavily Lake> >> Effect storm... even though it's Michigan or Indiana that usually> >> gets most of the Lake Effect off Lake Michigan... :^P> >
Blizzard gates, just like they use use out west. When it snows there,> >it REALLY snows. ;-)­> >
I am anticipating similar gates to be installed at other places in> >Wisconsin where weather closures are common, such as the I-43 Fox River> >bridge in Green Bay and on the US 41 Lake Butte des Morts causeway in> >Oshkosh. Right now, WisDOT keeps barracades stored right at those> >locations to allow for quick highway closure, but it still takes several> >people to move and set them all up.> >
So why is it that they don't have those gates in NW Indiana nor along> Lake Michigan (I-94/I-196/US-31) in MI?

Gotta ask the guys at InDOT and MDOT for that info.

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| | | | |\
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