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Tropicsprite 23 March 2005 22:45:08
	Hey guys, I live in the Tampa Bay area, and I have a serious question: Just what the hell were I-175 and I-375 built for in the first place? They are only used during PEAK commuter hours, and even then not as much as one would think. In addition, they appear to have been the abortive attempt to create a "downtown loop" that would have BEEN useful. I understand the point of some super-short 3di's, but these two boggle the mind!
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Dave 24 March 2005 07:02:39 [ permanent link ]
	To me, they both look like glorified onramps. If they're labeled as Interstates then I have a few long onramps I'd like to see become 3di's also. Dave
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Presnwap 24 March 2005 08:43:44 [ permanent link ]
	Florida had like 5 extra interstate miles leftover so all the short spurs around the state were built. "Tropicsprite" <jguzzardo@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:UOi0e.204976$qB6.169279@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...> Hey guys, I live in the Tampa Bay area, and I have a serious question:> Just what the hell were I-175 and I-375 built for in the first place? > They> are only used during PEAK commuter hours, and even then not as much as one> would think. In addition, they appear to have been the abortive attempt > to> create a "downtown loop" that would have BEEN useful.> I understand the point of some super-short 3di's, but these two boggle the> mind!>
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Tropicsprite 24 March 2005 09:53:34 [ permanent link ]
	Pork barrel politics at its finest "Presnwap" <presnwap@cox.netNOSPAM> wrote in message news:4Ar0e.71028$SF.49933@lakeread08...> Florida had like 5 extra interstate miles leftover so all the short spurs> around the state were built.> "Tropicsprite" <jguzzardo@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message> news:UOi0e.204976$qB6.169279@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...> > Hey guys, I live in the Tampa Bay area, and I have a serious question:> > Just what the hell were I-175 and I-375 built for in the first place?> > They> > are only used during PEAK commuter hours, and even then not as much as would think. In addition, they appear to have been the abortive attempt> > to> > create a "downtown loop" that would have BEEN useful.> > I understand the point of some super-short 3di's, but these two boggle mind!> >
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Justin 25 March 2005 20:13:29 [ permanent link ]
	Tropicsprite wrote:> Hey guys, I live in the Tampa Bay area, and I have a serious question:> Just what the hell were I-175 and I-375 built for in the first place? They> are only used during PEAK commuter hours, and even then not as much as one> would think. In addition, they appear to have been the abortive attempt to> create a "downtown loop" that would have BEEN useful.> I understand the point of some super-short 3di's, but these two boggle the> mind! I have a page on them: http://www.bayciti.net/prd/x75s.htm Florida did not have enough funded interstate miles in the bank to build the stretch of I-75 that it wanted, but it had 5 federally funded miles left in 1978 so it built 175 and 375. St Petersburg proposed them in the early 70s as city-built expressways to boost downtown growth and development but they morphed into freeways due to the funding issues that I-75 had. I-75 eventually was built past Tampa because Jimmy Carter wanted to win Florida in the 1980 election (long story)... he didnt win. Justin www.bayciti.net
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Steve 25 March 2005 22:52:22 [ permanent link ]
	Justin wrote: Tropicsprite wrote:> Hey guys, I live in the Tampa Bay area, and I have a serious> question:> Just what the hell were I-175 and I-375 built for in the first place?> They> are only used during PEAK commuter hours, and even then not as much> as one> would think. In addition, they appear to have been the abortive> attempt to> create a "downtown loop" that would have BEEN useful.>> I understand the point of some super-short 3di's, but these two> boggle the> mind!> I have a page on them: http://www.bayciti.net/prd/x75s.htm> Florida did not have enough funded interstate miles in the bank to> build the stretch of I-75 that it wanted, but it had 5 federally funded> miles left in 1978 so it built 175 and 375. St Petersburg proposed them> in the early 70s as city-built expressways to boost downtown growth and> development but they morphed into freeways due to the funding issues> that I-75 had.> I-75 eventually was built past Tampa because Jimmy Carter wanted to win> Florida in the 1980 election (long story)... he didnt win.> Justin> www.bayciti.net> Even when I-75 was built down to Alligator Alley, that was still just two lanes and a state route. What prompted the dualization? -- Steve Civil Engineering (Course 1) at MIT
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Justin 26 March 2005 01:38:13 [ permanent link ]
	Even when I-75 was built down to Alligator Alley, that was still just two lanes and a state route. What prompted the dualization?> Alligator Alley was built in the 1960s as a two lane tolled state road (I think it was SR 84)... when it was built I-75 was supposed to end in Tampa. I-75 was extended down the west coast to the existing two lane alligator alley in the 80s and was dualized up to interstate standards in the late 80s - early 90s to link the Miami and Naples ends of I-75.... Justin www.bayciti.net
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Steve 26 March 2005 02:10:39 [ permanent link ]
	Justin wrote: Even when I-75 was built down to Alligator Alley, that was still just> two lanes and a state route. What prompted the dualization?>> Alligator Alley was built in the 1960s as a two lane tolled state road> (I think it was SR 84)... when it was built I-75 was supposed to end in> Tampa.> I-75 was extended down the west coast to the existing two lane> alligator alley in the 80s and was dualized up to interstate standards> in the late 80s - early 90s to link the Miami and Naples ends of> I-75....> Justin> www.bayciti.net> I guess my question would be more along the lines of, why not just end I-75 at FL 84? Why spend all that money for that corridor - were traffic volumes high enough to justify Interstating it? The I-75 end on the Miami side is small enough where it could have been an x95 or even a FL 8xx. -- Steve Civil Engineering (Course 1) at MIT
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Scott M. Kozel 26 March 2005 03:47:26 [ permanent link ]
	Steve <smalpert@hackmit.edu> wrote:> Justin wrote:> Even when I-75 was built down to Alligator Alley, that was still just> >>two lanes and a state route. What prompted the dualization?> > Alligator Alley was built in the 1960s as a two lane tolled state road> > (I think it was SR 84)... when it was built I-75 was supposed to end in> > Tampa.> > I-75 was extended down the west coast to the existing two lane> > alligator alley in the 80s and was dualized up to interstate standards> > in the late 80s - early 90s to link the Miami and Naples ends of> > I-75....> I guess my question would be more along the lines of, why not just end> I-75 at FL 84? Why spend all that money for that corridor - were> traffic volumes high enough to justify Interstating it? The I-75 end on> the Miami side is small enough where it could have been an x95 or even a> FL 8xx. The 2-lane FL-84 was plenty busy enough to warrant 4 lanes divided, and like most other "super 2" highways, it had an excessively high rate of fatal head-on collisions. I-75 is the one Interstate corridor that connects the Tampa / St. Petersburg area with the Miami / Fort Lauderdale area, two large metropolitan areas. It was logical to connect the west and east coasts via I-75, and a sufficient freeway right-of-way and alignment existed on FL-84. -- Scott M. Kozel Highway and Transportation History Websites Virginia/Maryland/Washington, D.C. http://www.roadstothefuture.com Philadelphia and Delaware Valley http://www.pennways.com
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Tropicsprite 27 March 2005 02:35:29 [ permanent link ]
	Hmmm....so it appears that governors hometown gets the money for the road...why does that not surprise me... "Saint Graham" is no longer a saint in my eyes, but just another swindler. It certainly correlates, but it's pretty sad that once again, Tampa Bay got shut out and now has a traffic system that is not exactly high-end.....sigh "Justin" <austrini@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1111767209.189391.47060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> Tropicsprite wrote:> > Hey guys, I live in the Tampa Bay area, and I have a serious> question:> > Just what the hell were I-175 and I-375 built for in the first place?> They> > are only used during PEAK commuter hours, and even then not as much> as one> > would think. In addition, they appear to have been the abortive> attempt to> > create a "downtown loop" that would have BEEN useful.> > I understand the point of some super-short 3di's, but these two> boggle the> > mind!> I have a page on them: http://www.bayciti.net/prd/x75s.htm> Florida did not have enough funded interstate miles in the bank to> build the stretch of I-75 that it wanted, but it had 5 federally funded> miles left in 1978 so it built 175 and 375. St Petersburg proposed them> in the early 70s as city-built expressways to boost downtown growth and> development but they morphed into freeways due to the funding issues> that I-75 had.> I-75 eventually was built past Tampa because Jimmy Carter wanted to win> Florida in the 1980 election (long story)... he didnt win.> Justin> www.bayciti.net>
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