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NC considering allowing driving on shoulder

John Lansford 22 March 2005 02:57:50
 http://www.nbc17.com­/news/4299984/detail­.html?subid=10101621­

Legislation backed by the North Carolina Department of Transportation
would allow drivers to use the shoulders of highways to avoid traffic
congestion.

Among the ideas being explored to unclog urban highways across the
state, the DOT wants the ability to open up the shoulders of
Interstate 40 and other heavily traveled roads to buses -- and
possibly cars -- as a substitute for a high-occupancy vehicle lane.

Other states allow such maneuvers already, such as on Interstate 66 in
Maryland. Extra areas have been built along the highway for drivers to
stop in an emergency.

"Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't," said Joseph Hummer, a
civil engineer and traffic expert at North Carolina State University.
"You want to put this in a place where there's severe congestion -- we
have that -- and where you have enough buses or high-occupancy
vehicles to justify it, and we might be building up to that."

Hummer noted that the DOT would first have to incorporate the added
turnoffs so drivers who stop to change a tire or for another emergency
wouldn't get hit.

-------------------­--------------------­---

This is one of the most shortsighted and idiotic suggestions I've
heard coming from NCDOT. Unless they are proposing building another
shoulder outside the current shoulder, all this is going to do is
cause motorists to feel that shoulder driving is acceptable on ALL NC
interstates when congestion takes place. I've seen it done
infrequently already when someone is too impatient to wait for the
queue to get to an off ramp, and it always causes problems for
everyone.

This is a stupid idea and I hope that saner and more rational minds
come to the same conclusion.

John Lansford, PE
--
The unofficial I-26 Construction Webpage:
http://users.vnet.n­et/lansford/a10/
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Oscar Voss 22 March 2005 04:43:40 permanent link ]
 "John Lansford" <jlnsford@bellsouth­.net> wrote in message
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Legislation backed by the North Carolina Department of Transportation> would allow drivers to use the shoulders of highways to avoid traffic> congestion.>
Among the ideas being explored to unclog urban highways across the> state, the DOT wants the ability to open up the shoulders of> Interstate 40 and other heavily traveled roads to buses -- and> possibly cars -- as a substitute for a high-occupancy vehicle lane.>
Other states allow such maneuvers already, such as on Interstate 66 in> Maryland.

That'd be Interstate 66 in Virginia. One of the places where someone got
killed because a shoulder was converted to a part-time travel lane.

I don't like the idea either.

--
Oscar Voss - ovoss@erols.com - Arlington, Virginia

my Hot Springs and Highways pages: http://users.erols.­com/ovoss/


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Anon 22 March 2005 05:44:45 permanent link ]
 i agree. Someone in Georgia recently proposed this for the Atlanta area.
Last Friday, a few days after reading this, i was on GA-400 at 1:45pm.
Traffic was normal Friday stop-and-go, the go being up to 10-15mph. An
ambulance came thru with its lights on and siren wailing... the inner
shoulder on GA-400 is very narrow, so cars were scrunching over to let him
on along that. The outer shoulder currently doesn't exist because they're
rehabbing those for express bus service. A full five minutes later, i had
made it about a mile, and the ambulance was about 1/4 mile ahead of me. I'd
hate to have been the guy in the ambulance or one of his friends/family.

This is one of the most shortsighted and idiotic suggestions I've> heard coming from NCDOT.

This is a stupid idea and I hope that saner and more rational minds> come to the same conclusion.


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Hello Kitty 22 March 2005 05:57:55 permanent link ]
 
John Lansford wrote:> http://www.nbc17.co­m/news/4299984/detai­l.html?subid=1010162­1>
Legislation backed by the North Carolina Department of Transportation> would allow drivers to use the shoulders of highways to avoid traffic> congestion.>
Among the ideas being explored to unclog urban highways across the> state, the DOT wants the ability to open up the shoulders of> Interstate 40 and other heavily traveled roads to buses -- and> possibly cars -- as a substitute for a high-occupancy vehicle lane.>
Other states allow such maneuvers already, such as on Interstate 66
Maryland. Extra areas have been built along the highway for drivers
stop in an emergency.>
"Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't," said Joseph Hummer, a> civil engineer and traffic expert at North Carolina State University.> "You want to put this in a place where there's severe congestion --
have that -- and where you have enough buses or high-occupancy> vehicles to justify it, and we might be building up to that.">
Hummer noted that the DOT would first have to incorporate the added> turnoffs so drivers who stop to change a tire or for another
emergency> wouldn't get hit.>
-------------------­--------------------­--->
This is one of the most shortsighted and idiotic suggestions I've> heard coming from NCDOT. Unless they are proposing building another> shoulder outside the current shoulder, all this is going to do is> cause motorists to feel that shoulder driving is acceptable on ALL NC> interstates when congestion takes place. I've seen it done> infrequently already when someone is too impatient to wait for the> queue to get to an off ramp, and it always causes problems for> everyone.>
This is a stupid idea and I hope that saner and more rational minds> come to the same conclusion.>
John Lansford, PE> --> The unofficial I-26 Construction Webpage:> http://users.vnet.n­et/lansford/a10/

And then once they allow *that*, not to be outdone, the State of
Kentucky will have to consider allowing drivers to drive on the grass!

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Gk 22 March 2005 08:17:09 permanent link ]
 anon wrote:
i agree. Someone in Georgia recently proposed this for the Atlanta area.> Last Friday, a few days after reading this, i was on GA-400 at 1:45pm.> Traffic was normal Friday stop-and-go, the go being up to 10-15mph. An> ambulance came thru with its lights on and siren wailing... the inner> shoulder on GA-400 is very narrow, so cars were scrunching over to let him> on along that. The outer shoulder currently doesn't exist because they're> rehabbing those for express bus service. A full five minutes later, i had> made it about a mile, and the ambulance was about 1/4 mile ahead of me. I'd> hate to have been the guy in the ambulance or one of his friends/family.>
This is one of the most shortsighted and idiotic suggestions I've>>heard coming from NCDOT.>
This is a stupid idea and I hope that saner and more rational minds>>come to the same conclusion.>

There were a few highway segments in NJ that did allow either buses or
anyone to drive on the shoulder. I remember sections of US1 in the
Trenton/Princeton area where you have a lot of corporate business parks
and US9 in the Sayreville area did allow this. Over the last few years
both of these have been widened, so the need for shoulder driving has
been eliminated. I think there's still a section of US22 near the last
traffic light that allows buses to use the shoulder during rush hour.

One of the problems is emergency vehicle access. If an accident happens
traffic normally gets well backed up. If the shoulder has vehicles
jammed on it, fire trucks or ambulances have no way to access the
accident scene unless the opposite side of the highway gets closed off
for them to travel in the "wrong" direction, which can take some time to
coordinate and pull off.

GK

GK
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James Dunlop 22 March 2005 08:21:14 permanent link ]
 John Lansford wrote:> http://www.nbc17.co­m/news/4299984/detai­l.html?subid=1010162­1>
Legislation backed by the North Carolina Department of Transportation> would allow drivers to use the shoulders of highways to avoid traffic> congestion.>
Among the ideas being explored to unclog urban highways across the> state, the DOT wants the ability to open up the shoulders of> Interstate 40 and other heavily traveled roads to buses -- and> possibly cars -- as a substitute for a high-occupancy vehicle lane.>
Other states allow such maneuvers already, such as on Interstate 66 in> Maryland. Extra areas have been built along the highway for drivers to> stop in an emergency.>
"Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't," said Joseph Hummer, a> civil engineer and traffic expert at North Carolina State University.> "You want to put this in a place where there's severe congestion -- we> have that -- and where you have enough buses or high-occupancy> vehicles to justify it, and we might be building up to that.">
Hummer noted that the DOT would first have to incorporate the added> turnoffs so drivers who stop to change a tire or for another emergency> wouldn't get hit.>
-------------------­--------------------­--->
This is one of the most shortsighted and idiotic suggestions I've> heard coming from NCDOT. Unless they are proposing building another> shoulder outside the current shoulder, all this is going to do is> cause motorists to feel that shoulder driving is acceptable on ALL NC> interstates when congestion takes place. I've seen it done> infrequently already when someone is too impatient to wait for the> queue to get to an off ramp, and it always causes problems for> everyone.>
This is a stupid idea and I hope that saner and more rational minds> come to the same conclusion.>

They are, and are working at cutting this from the HOV
legislation. (Which was only supposed to raise the penalty for
improper use of HOV facilities.)


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Guest 23 March 2005 03:32:21 permanent link ]
 Mike Tantillo wrote:> I have to agree with John 100% on this one....this is a bad idea, and> will actually HURT roadway projects that are desparately needed.
Why?> Why spend millions to add a lane when we can just open the shoulder,> thats why.

Quick, better turn the right lane on the Cross Island Parkway into a
shoulder.
To make a long story short, the> ONLY thing Massachusetts does is put up a sign saying that driving on> the shoulder is allowed during rush hours. THATS IT! They did not> TOUCH the striping.

And the signs are particularly poorly-worded: "Caution breakdown lane
in use 4 pm - 7 pm Mon - Fri". What does it mean for it to be "in
use"? That someone is broken down in it during those hours?

It also doesn't help that MA doesn't usually paint lane dashes to
separate accel/decel lanes from the right-hand through lane -- the
solid white line just swerves over to the pavement edge, leaving a
double-wide lane which most drivers drift into the center of from the
straight-line path they should be using.

-Apr

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Khjc@Jersey.Net 23 March 2005 05:53:50 permanent link ]
 NJ permitted shoulder driving on I-195 EB (2 lanes) between Exits 11
and 16 for Six Flags Great Adventure traffic. There were no exits
along this stretch. Signs simply signed Six Flags traffic may use the
shoulder, and the road did not have to be congested in order to use the
shoulder. Signs also stated for breakdowns to park on the grass.

Off Exit 16, County Rt. 537 (both NB & SB) was also signed that traffic
was permitted to use the shoulder between I-195 and Six Flags.

Generally, there were no problems, because of the lack of obstructions
(driveways, on/off ramps, etc). Several years back, a construction
project widened Exit 16's off ramp from 1 to 2 lanes, Rt. 537 to Six
Flags from 1 to 3 lanes, and Rt. 537 from Six Flags to 195 from 1 to 2
lanes. At this time, shoulder use was discontinued.

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Khjc@Jersey.Net 23 March 2005 06:00:19 permanent link ]
 The shoulders on various offramps from the NJ Turnpike are signed that
EZ Pass traffic (cars only) may use the shoulder between 4pm and 7pm.
Quickly, the shoulder became a 24 hour free-for-all by cars, trucks,
buses, etc.

The shoulder from I-195 WB to the NJ Turnpike is signed for EZ Pass
traffic during any time of congestion, due to the nearby Six Flags park
(see related SF shoulder reply to GK). Appearantly, here too, people's
definition of 'congestion' varies greatly.

Agreeing with John and others, use of the shoulder is a bad, bad idea.

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