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CarGuru > Driving > red light cameras are not the solution 21 March 2005 19:49:42

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red light cameras are not the solution
Itsme 9 March 2005 22:19:14
	The proper solution is not a camera. A camera is not going to stop an accident from happening or call for help after an accident occurs. What needs to happen is that an engineer needs to examine the intersection and see why so many drivers are running red lights. He can then make recommendations on what modifications need to be made to the intersection to make it safer. That will also save a lot of money since accidents cost everyone one a lot of time and money. If that is not feasible then photoblocker is not a bad idea. http://www.phantomplate.com/photoblocker.html
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Justin Rhodes 18 March 2005 07:38:24 [ permanent link ]
	"itsme" <bbypretty@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1110392354.403483.22840@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...> The proper solution is not a camera. A camera is not going to stop an> accident from happening or call for help after an accident occurs.> What needs to happen is that an engineer needs to examine the> intersection and see why so many drivers are running red lights. He> can then make recommendations on what modifications need to be made to> the intersection to make it safer. That will also save a lot of money> since accidents cost everyone one a lot of time and money. If that is> not feasible then photoblocker is not a bad idea.> http://www.phantomplate.com/photoblocker.html> Mr. Itsme, Look at John Lansford's Raleigh Red Light Camera thread from 1-11-05. He's a Professional Engineer, and it sounds to me like he supports the cameras.(please, John, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
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K Flynn 18 March 2005 08:48:55 [ permanent link ]
	Justin Rhodes wrote:> "itsme" <bbypretty@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:1110392354.403483.22840@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...> > The proper solution is not a camera. A camera is not going to stop accident from happening or call for help after an accident occurs.> > What needs to happen is that an engineer needs to examine the> > intersection and see why so many drivers are running red lights. can then make recommendations on what modifications need to be made the intersection to make it safer. That will also save a lot of money> > since accidents cost everyone one a lot of time and money. If that not feasible then photoblocker is not a bad idea.> > http://www.phantomplate.com/photoblocker.html> > Mr. Itsme,> Look at John Lansford's Raleigh Red Light Camera thread from 1-11-05. He's a> Professional Engineer, and it sounds to me like he supports the> cameras.(please, John, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) (clearing throat) Ummm. The fellow doesn't care. He is a spammer trying to generate traffic to a web site that sells photo-blocking license plate covers.
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John Lansford 18 March 2005 14:30:08 [ permanent link ]
	"Justin Rhodes" <jkrhodes@cableone.net> wrote: "itsme" <bbypretty@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1110392354.403483.22840@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>> The proper solution is not a camera. A camera is not going to stop an>> accident from happening or call for help after an accident occurs.>> What needs to happen is that an engineer needs to examine the>> intersection and see why so many drivers are running red lights. He>> can then make recommendations on what modifications need to be made to>> the intersection to make it safer. That will also save a lot of money>> since accidents cost everyone one a lot of time and money. If that is>> not feasible then photoblocker is not a bad idea.>> http://www.phantomplate.com/photoblocker.html>> Mr. Itsme,> Look at John Lansford's Raleigh Red Light Camera thread from 1-11-05. He's a >Professional Engineer, and it sounds to me like he supports the >cameras.(please, John, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) > Yes I do support them, if the yellow sequences are properly timed and there's a history of crashes at that intersection. Putting them up solely for revenue generation is wrong, IMO. John Lansford, PE -- The unofficial I-26 Construction Webpage: http://users.vnet.net/lansford/a10/
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B-Ez 18 March 2005 23:14:00 [ permanent link ]
	Does anyone believe that the substitution of the police officers by the photo radar cameras is up for safety reason? Or is it because the government is too slipshod about this issue? If you reckon that red light cameras only catch people who drive inattentively, then you're really too immature to be unsubstantiated. It is a different way of collecting tax from law abiding citizens.
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John David Galt 19 March 2005 04:12:57 [ permanent link ]
	John Lansford wrote:> Yes I do support them, if the yellow sequences are properly timed and> there's a history of crashes at that intersection. Putting them up> solely for revenue generation is wrong, IMO.> John Lansford, PE I agree except that I'd also want to first investigate other possible reasons why so many people run the light. For example, if the lights are placed where other objects make it hard to observe them at certain times of day, that should be fixed.
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SP Cook 19 March 2005 08:24:25 [ permanent link ]
	John David Galt wrote:> John Lansford wrote:> > Yes I do support them, if the yellow sequences are properly timed there's a history of crashes at that intersection. Putting them up> > solely for revenue generation is wrong, IMO.> > I agree except that I'd also want to first investigate other possible> reasons why so many people run the light. For example, if the lights placed where other objects make it hard to observe them at certain times> of day, that should be fixed. The simple answer is that such dangerous traffic offences as running red lights and stop signs is 1000s of times more dangerous than driving safe and fast on fully limited access highways designed for such speeds. However, it is far easier to run radar out on the interstate, hiding behind signs like the common criminals that traffic cops are, than to actually do any work, such as simple parking a police car at an intersection with a problem in plain sight, which would insure 99.9% compliance. Remember that every second spent running radar is a second stolen from serious law enforcement work. SP Cook
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B-Ez 21 March 2005 19:49:42 [ permanent link ]
	Q:Is this plan about safety or money? A:Campbell unveiled the red- light camera plan as part of her 2005 budget, saying it would help plug a deficit. At first, she made scant reference to safety. Councilman Kevin Conwell says he has been inundated with complaints from residents. He proposed a similar plan 18 months ago, but it went nowhere. The timing of Campbell's plan suggests she is more interested in raising revenue than reducing crashes, Conwell said. "It sounds like they have a quota to meet for the budget," Conwell said. Councilman Joe Cimperman, who represents downtown, agrees. "Why do we want to send another signal saying, 'Hey, don't come into Cleveland'?" he said. "Maybe we should worry about real economic development rather than nickel and diming commuters." Since the initial budget rollout, Campbell and her staff have harped on safety. "This will lead to a decrease in crashes, a decrease in death," Campbell said at a news conference this week.
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B-Ez 21 March 2005 20:04:16 [ permanent link ]
	Mayor Jane Campbell says her plan to install cameras at traffic lights would make Cleveland streets safer while also padding the city's coffers. This was an interview made wit Mayor Jane Campbell : Q:Is this plan about safety or money? A:Campbell unveiled the red- light camera plan as part of her 2005 budget, saying it would help plug a deficit. At first, she made scant reference to safety. Councilman Kevin Conwell says he has been inundated with complaints from residents. He proposed a similar plan 18 months ago, but it went nowhere. The timing of Campbell's plan suggests she is more interested in raising revenue than reducing crashes, Conwell said. "It sounds like they have a quota to meet for the budget," Conwell said. Councilman Joe Cimperman, who represents downtown, agrees. "Why do we want to send another signal saying, 'Hey, don't come into Cleveland'?" he said. "Maybe we should worry about real economic development rather than nickel and diming commuters." Since the initial budget rollout, Campbell and her staff have harped on safety. "This will lead to a decrease in crashes, a decrease in death," Campbell said at a news conference this week. This is the direct site "http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/110751317866731.xml "
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