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NC Superstreet project delayed
John Lansford 4 March 2005 15:00:11
	http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/2177567p-8558383c.html A project that would eliminate left turns at what has been called the town's worst intersection is still worth pursuing, the state Board of Transportation decided Thursday. But board members wants to know why bids have twice come back much higher than the engineer's estimate, $3.64 million, before they send it out a third time. The study will push back the original May 2006 completion date for the so-called Superstreet project at the convergence of Erwin Road, Europa Drive and U.S. 15-501. The clogged, confusing intersection is the gateway to Chapel Hill for many. ... Though Brad Wall, a Department of Transportation construction engineer, said the project was "pretty tough," he said he doesn't know why bids are so high. The board on Thursday rejected Triangle Grading and Paving's bid of nearly $5 million. The company was the only one to submit a proposal in the second round of bidding, and it was 37 percent higher than the engineer estimate. The low bid during the first round of bidding was about 30 percent over estimate, Wall said. Nearly all work will have to be done at night because it is a high-traffic area that handles more than 60,000 cars a day, Wall said. "Of course, night work is not unusual," he said. Skyrocketing construction costs could be to blame, Wall said. "There's also a lot of asphalt work to be done," he said. "It could be a market factor." -------------------------------------------------- Projects like this, in my experience, end up with high prices because they aren't cut and dried. Lots of traffic control restrictions, night work, widening of existing roads while traffic is on them, all adds up to higher costs. Not to mention the higher material costs as well. John Lansford, PE -- The unofficial I-26 Construction Webpage: http://users.vnet.net/lansford/a10/
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Steve 4 March 2005 19:38:37 [ permanent link ]
	John Lansford wrote: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/2177567p-8558383c.html> A project that would eliminate left turns at what has been called the> town's worst intersection is still worth pursuing, the state Board of> Transportation decided Thursday.> But board members wants to know why bids have twice come back much> higher than the engineer's estimate, $3.64 million, before they send> it out a third time.> The study will push back the original May 2006 completion date for the> so-called Superstreet project at the convergence of Erwin Road, Europa> Drive and U.S. 15-501. The clogged, confusing intersection is the> gateway to Chapel Hill for many.> Usually, if this happens twice in a row, they solicit a revised estimate. -- Steve Civil Engineering (Course 1) at MIT
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John Lansford 5 March 2005 02:06:25 [ permanent link ]
	Steve <smalpert@hackmit.edu> wrote: John Lansford wrote:> http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/2177567p-8558383c.html>> A project that would eliminate left turns at what has been called the>> town's worst intersection is still worth pursuing, the state Board of>> Transportation decided Thursday.>> But board members wants to know why bids have twice come back much>> higher than the engineer's estimate, $3.64 million, before they send>> it out a third time.>> The study will push back the original May 2006 completion date for the>> so-called Superstreet project at the convergence of Erwin Road, Europa>> Drive and U.S. 15-501. The clogged, confusing intersection is the>> gateway to Chapel Hill for many.>> Usually, if this happens twice in a row, they solicit a revised estimate. Not really. I've had this happen several times on different projects. Each time, the project was simply re-advertised, even the second time around. John Lansford, PE -- The unofficial I-26 Construction Webpage: http://users.vnet.net/lansford/a10/
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Steve 5 March 2005 03:01:12 [ permanent link ]
	John Lansford wrote: Steve <smalpert@hackmit.edu> wrote:> John Lansford wrote:>> http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/2177567p-8558383c.html>>> A project that would eliminate left turns at what has been called the>>>town's worst intersection is still worth pursuing, the state Board of>>>Transportation decided Thursday.>>> But board members wants to know why bids have twice come back much>>>higher than the engineer's estimate, $3.64 million, before they send>>>it out a third time.>>> The study will push back the original May 2006 completion date for the>>>so-called Superstreet project at the convergence of Erwin Road, Europa>>>Drive and U.S. 15-501. The clogged, confusing intersection is the>>>gateway to Chapel Hill for many.>>> Usually, if this happens twice in a row, they solicit a revised estimate.> Not really. I've had this happen several times on different projects.> Each time, the project was simply re-advertised, even the second time> around. > Funny... I've done contributing work on more than one project that was re-estimated, and I've only worked in true civil engineering for <5 months. Maybe it's a DOT by DOT case, where some don't like re-estimation? -- Steve Civil Engineering (Course 1) at MIT
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John Lansford 5 March 2005 04:24:04 [ permanent link ]
	Steve <smalpert@hackmit.edu> wrote: John Lansford wrote:> Steve <smalpert@hackmit.edu> wrote:>> John Lansford wrote:>>> http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/2177567p-8558383c.html>>>> A project that would eliminate left turns at what has been called the>>>>town's worst intersection is still worth pursuing, the state Board of>>>>Transportation decided Thursday.>>>> But board members wants to know why bids have twice come back much>>>>higher than the engineer's estimate, $3.64 million, before they send>>>>it out a third time.>>>> The study will push back the original May 2006 completion date for the>>>>so-called Superstreet project at the convergence of Erwin Road, Europa>>>>Drive and U.S. 15-501. The clogged, confusing intersection is the>>>>gateway to Chapel Hill for many.>>>> Usually, if this happens twice in a row, they solicit a revised estimate.>> Not really. I've had this happen several times on different projects.>> Each time, the project was simply re-advertised, even the second time>> around. >> Funny... I've done contributing work on more than one project that was >re-estimated, and I've only worked in true civil engineering for <5 >months. Maybe it's a DOT by DOT case, where some don't like re-estimation? On the project I had that was re-bid three times before getting a contract on the fourth try, after the third time the bids came too high we were asked if there was anything that could be removed to make the project more attractive to contractors. Since it was a widening project of an existing road in the middle of Asheboro, we said there wasn't anything that could be removed. The costs were high due to the complicated traffic control plan and the difficulties in adding on to the existing drainage system, according to the contractors which were asked why their bids were so high. John Lansford, PE -- The unofficial I-26 Construction Webpage: http://users.vnet.net/lansford/a10/
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