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Fla Street racers could lose their wheels
LeMod Pol 5 May 2005 02:20:50
	Street racers could lose their wheels By Beth Kassab \| Tallahassee Bureau Posted May 4, 2005 TALLAHASSEE -- Alarmed by four deaths in Central Florida last year, the Legislature on Tuesday approved tougher penalties for motorists who race their souped-up cars on public streets. Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face up to five years in prison and lose their cars -- often the objects of expensive upgrades and fancy indulgences by teenage boys. Rep. John QuiГ±ones, R-Kissimmee, said the new penalties will help stop street racing, which contributed to at least four traffic deaths in Central Florida last year. "Word gets out that somebody lost their vehicle, and it'll go through the right circles real fast," said QuiГ±ones, who sponsored the bill (HB 71). The proposal calls for first-time offenders to be charged with a first-degree misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail. For a second offense in a five-year period, drag racers can be charged with a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison. Under current law, first-time offenders can serve only a maximum of 60 days in jail and second-time offenders just a year in jail. Street racing has emerged as a major issue for local law-enforcement officers in recent years, said Orange County sheriff's spokesman Jim Solomons, prompting special details by deputies targeting racers. "Anything that can be done to discourage these kids from street racing is a good thing," Solomons said. "I would think that the prospect of losing their vehicle is a big gun in the hands of law-enforcement agencies." The aggressive driving and speed that come with street racing are not only dangerous to participants but to other drivers on the road who are just trying to get from one place to another, he said. In one 2002 Lake County case, a race between two men in their 20s resulted in the accidental death of two people, including his own mother. The racer, Dwight Samples, was going nearly 120 mph when he inadvertently hit his mom's car. He was convicted of vehicular homicide and sentenced to four years in prison in 2003. "There seems to be a new mind-set of these kids where it's any place, any time with total disregard to their surroundings," he said. Beth Kassab can be reached at: bkassab@orlandosentinel.com or 850-222-5564. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-locdrag04050405may04,0,4898068.story Copyright В© 2005, Orlando Sentinel -- LP "We are fighting today for security, for progress, and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all men, not only for one generation but for all generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world of ancient evils, ancient ills." Franklin Delano Roosevelt State of the Union Address - 1942 ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
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Cary Kittrell 5 May 2005 02:19:40 [ permanent link ]
	In article <42794999.F78213AA@igs.net> LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> writes:> Street racers could lose their wheels> By Beth Kassab \| Tallahassee Bureau > Posted May 4, 2005 > TALLAHASSEE -- Alarmed by four deaths in Central> Florida last year, the Legislature on Tuesday approved> tougher penalties for motorists who race their> souped-up cars on public streets.> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face> up to five years in prison and lose their cars -- often> the objects of expensive upgrades and fancy indulgences> by teenage boys.> WWJDD? -- cary
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John F. Carr 5 May 2005 03:42:59 [ permanent link ]
	In article <42794999.F78213AA@igs.net>, LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> wrote:> Street racers could lose their wheels> By Beth Kassab \| Tallahassee Bureau >Posted May 4, 2005 > TALLAHASSEE -- Alarmed by four deaths in Central>Florida last year, the Legislature on Tuesday approved>tougher penalties for motorists who race their>souped-up cars on public streets.> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face>up to five years in prison and lose their cars -- often>the objects of expensive upgrades and fancy indulgences>by teenage boys. Massachusetts passed a law a year or two ago increasing penalties for street racing in Springfield and allowing the city to seize race vehicles. I have not heard about how it is enforced or whether it makes a difference. -- John Carr (jfc@mit.edu)
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Daniel J. Stern 5 May 2005 03:53:05 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 4 May 2005, LeMod Pol wrote: Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face> up to five years in prison and lose their cars Groovy. There are some excellent and economical portable car crusher-shredder units now available, too. DS
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LeMod Pol 5 May 2005 04:44:10 [ permanent link ]
	"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:> On Wed, 4 May 2005, LeMod Pol wrote:> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face> > up to five years in prison and lose their cars> Groovy. There are some excellent and economical portable car> crusher-shredder units now available, too.> <VBG> -- LP "We are fighting today for security, for progress, and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all men, not only for one generation but for all generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world of ancient evils, ancient ills." Franklin Delano Roosevelt State of the Union Address - 1942
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Jim Yanik 5 May 2005 05:10:22 [ permanent link ]
	"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in newsine.GSO.4.58.0505041952100.26304@alumni.engin.umich.edu: On Wed, 4 May 2005, LeMod Pol wrote:> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face>> up to five years in prison and lose their cars> Groovy. There are some excellent and economical portable car> crusher-shredder units now available, too.> Why waste a perfectly saleable vehicle? They can be sold to law-abiding drivers.The money generated could go to lots of worthy things. That's misuse of government resources. As bad as government destroying good firearms that were confiscated from criminals,rather then auction them to dealers who can sell them legally to lawful people,and both gov't and dealer benefit from the money. (if a car in decent condition is confiscated from criminals after being used in a crime,they get sold at auction,not destroyed.Or they get used by gov't officials!) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
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Jaybird 5 May 2005 05:33:03 [ permanent link ]
	"John F. Carr" <jfc@mit.edu> wrote in message news:42795e03$0$556$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...> In article <42794999.F78213AA@igs.net>, LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> wrote:>> Street racers could lose their wheels>> By Beth Kassab \| Tallahassee Bureau>>Posted May 4, 2005>> TALLAHASSEE -- Alarmed by four deaths in Central>>Florida last year, the Legislature on Tuesday approved>>tougher penalties for motorists who race their>>souped-up cars on public streets.>> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face>>up to five years in prison and lose their cars -- often>>the objects of expensive upgrades and fancy indulgences>>by teenage boys.> Massachusetts passed a law a year or two ago increasing> penalties for street racing in Springfield and allowing> the city to seize race vehicles. I have not heard about> how it is enforced or whether it makes a difference. In Texas they raised racing from a Class C Misdemeanor to a Class B. There are no longer tickets issued, the driver(s) just go straight to jail. -- --- jaybird --- I am not the cause of your problems. My actions are the result of your actions. Your life is not my fault.
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L Sternn 5 May 2005 05:59:20 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 05 May 2005 01:33:03 GMT, "jaybird" <nospam@me.com> wrote: "John F. Carr" <jfc@mit.edu> wrote in message >news:42795e03$0$556$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...>> In article <42794999.F78213AA@igs.net>, LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> wrote:>>> Street racers could lose their wheels>>> By Beth Kassab \| Tallahassee Bureau>>>Posted May 4, 2005>>> TALLAHASSEE -- Alarmed by four deaths in Central>>>Florida last year, the Legislature on Tuesday approved>>>tougher penalties for motorists who race their>>>souped-up cars on public streets.>>> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face>>>up to five years in prison and lose their cars -- often>>>the objects of expensive upgrades and fancy indulgences>>>by teenage boys.>> Massachusetts passed a law a year or two ago increasing>> penalties for street racing in Springfield and allowing>> the city to seize race vehicles. I have not heard about>> how it is enforced or whether it makes a difference.> In Texas they raised racing from a Class C Misdemeanor to a Class B. There >are no longer tickets issued, the driver(s) just go straight to jail. And the people shopping at Kmart or eating at Sonic get to go straight to jail too
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Scott en Aztln 5 May 2005 06:07:47 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 04 May 2005 18:20:50 -0400, LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> wrote: Street racers could lose their wheels> By Beth Kassab \| Tallahassee Bureau >Posted May 4, 2005 > TALLAHASSEE -- Alarmed by four deaths in Central>Florida last year, the Legislature on Tuesday approved>tougher penalties for motorists who race their>souped-up cars on public streets.> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face>up to five years in prison and lose their cars In LA they crush street racers' cars - sometimes on TV so it's a better deterrent.
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Brent P 5 May 2005 08:59:54 [ permanent link ]
	In article <Pine.GSO.4.58.0505041952100.26304@alumni.engin.umich.edu>, Daniel J. Stern wrote:> On Wed, 4 May 2005, LeMod Pol wrote:> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face>> up to five years in prison and lose their cars> Groovy. There are some excellent and economical portable car> crusher-shredder units now available, too. Don't be so happy daniel. After all, cops aren't exactly the brightest bulbs in the bunch. They tend to do round ups. I fear just being out and about minding my own business and then facing a court battle just because I was driving a mustang within a few blocks of where some teenagers were racing their fart can equiped civics.
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Jaybird 5 May 2005 10:06:07 [ permanent link ]
	"L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message news:sdvi71houp5s7e8n1gb93mmj8utgtmd0o8@4ax.com...> On Thu, 05 May 2005 01:33:03 GMT, "jaybird" <nospam@me.com> wrote:> "John F. Carr" <jfc@mit.edu> wrote in message>>news:42795e03$0$556$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...>>> In article <42794999.F78213AA@igs.net>, LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> >>> wrote:>>>> Street racers could lose their wheels>>>> By Beth Kassab \| Tallahassee Bureau>>>>Posted May 4, 2005>>>> TALLAHASSEE -- Alarmed by four deaths in Central>>>>Florida last year, the Legislature on Tuesday approved>>>>tougher penalties for motorists who race their>>>>souped-up cars on public streets.>>>> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face>>>>up to five years in prison and lose their cars -- often>>>>the objects of expensive upgrades and fancy indulgences>>>>by teenage boys.>>> Massachusetts passed a law a year or two ago increasing>>> penalties for street racing in Springfield and allowing>>> the city to seize race vehicles. I have not heard about>>> how it is enforced or whether it makes a difference.>> In Texas they raised racing from a Class C Misdemeanor to a Class B. >>There>>are no longer tickets issued, the driver(s) just go straight to jail.> And the people shopping at Kmart or eating at Sonic get to go straight> to jail too Well, that's what they said they were doing. -- --- jaybird --- I am not the cause of your problems. My actions are the result of your actions. Your life is not my fault.
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Garth Almgren 5 May 2005 10:41:37 [ permanent link ]
	Around 5/4/2005 11:06 PM, jaybird wrote: "L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message > news:sdvi71houp5s7e8n1gb93mmj8utgtmd0o8@4ax.com...> On Thu, 05 May 2005 01:33:03 GMT, "jaybird" <nospam@me.com> wrote:>> In Texas they raised racing from a Class C Misdemeanor to a Class B. >>>There>>>are no longer tickets issued, the driver(s) just go straight to jail.>> And the people shopping at Kmart or eating at Sonic get to go straight>>to jail too> Well, that's what they said they were doing. Coincidentally, it's also what they were actually doing... -- ~/Garth \|"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. Almgren \| I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. ******* \| And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
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Scott en Aztln 5 May 2005 15:05:32 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 04 May 2005 23:41:37 -0700, Garth Almgren <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote: In Texas they raised racing from a Class C Misdemeanor to a Class B. >>>>There>>>>are no longer tickets issued, the driver(s) just go straight to jail.>>> And the people shopping at Kmart or eating at Sonic get to go straight>>>to jail too>> Well, that's what they said they were doing.> Coincidentally, it's also what they were actually doing... The cops say differently. And the word of a cop carries more weight than the word of a civillian.
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Scott en Aztln 5 May 2005 15:09:36 [ permanent link ]
	On 5 May 2005 01:10:22 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote: Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face>>> up to five years in prison and lose their cars>> Groovy. There are some excellent and economical portable car>> crusher-shredder units now available, too.> Why waste a perfectly saleable vehicle? They can be sold to law-abiding >drivers.The money generated could go to lots of worthy things. I'm sure they do sell the valuable ones (or at least parts of them like the bling-bling wheels and the picnic table rear wing). I'm sure they only crush the worthless Civic husk that remains after all the valuable parts have been stripped off.
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Ted B. 5 May 2005 16:51:19 [ permanent link ]
	Well, that's what they said they were doing.>> Coincidentally, it's also what they were actually doing...> The cops say differently. And the word of a cop carries more weight> than the word of a civillian.> Even if the civilian has written proof that the civilian is correct, apparently. -Dave
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Ted B. 5 May 2005 16:54:59 [ permanent link ]
	Why waste a perfectly saleable vehicle? They can be sold to law-abiding> drivers.The money generated could go to lots of worthy things. The problem with that theory is, no law-abiding driver would want to get caught dead in one of those super-modified street racing machines. Are you going to buy it and then spend tens of thousands of dollars converting it to useful transportation? Not bloody likely, unless you are another street racer who likes it JUST THE WAY IT IS. I say crush'em. -Dave
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Jim Yanik 5 May 2005 19:36:07 [ permanent link ]
	Scott en Aztlбn <scottenaztlan@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in news:ehvj71p0tt4dh8umo06ubddbon1j4mua8o@4ax.com: On 5 May 2005 01:10:22 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote:> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face>>>> up to five years in prison and lose their cars>>> Groovy. There are some excellent and economical portable car>>> crusher-shredder units now available, too.>> Why waste a perfectly saleable vehicle? They can be sold to law-abiding >>drivers.The money generated could go to lots of worthy things.> I'm sure they do sell the valuable ones (or at least parts of them> like the bling-bling wheels and the picnic table rear wing). I'm sure> they only crush the worthless Civic husk that remains after all the> valuable parts have been stripped off.> Many of those cars (street racers)are in far better condition than many cars on the roads today. Of course,true junkers would get dismantled and crushed;their parts may be greater than the whole's worth. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
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Jim Yanik 5 May 2005 19:40:28 [ permanent link ]
	"Ted B." <noway@nohow.not.ever> wrote in news:427a17a3$0$34662$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net: Why waste a perfectly saleable vehicle? They can be sold to>> law-abiding drivers.The money generated could go to lots of worthy>> things. > The problem with that theory is, no law-abiding driver would want to> get caught dead in one of those super-modified street racing machines.> Are you going to buy it and then spend tens of thousands of dollars> converting it to useful transportation? Not bloody likely, unless you> are another street racer who likes it JUST THE WAY IT IS. I say> crush'em. -Dave > There are a lot of people who own such modified autos -without- ever illegally racing them on the streets.(not to say they are not ever driven fast,just not street-raced.) Some choose to go to the tracks to compete legally. Of course,you folks could buy them at auction and have them crushed yourself to satisfy your thirsts.Send the former owner an invitation to watch. But you folks would rather waste the public's money,not your own. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
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Garth Almgren 5 May 2005 19:55:44 [ permanent link ]
	Around 5/5/2005 4:05 AM, Scott en AztlГЎn wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2005 23:41:37 -0700, Garth Almgren <nospam@v6stang.com>> wrote:> And the people shopping at Kmart or eating at Sonic get to go straight>>>>to jail too>>> Well, that's what they said they were doing.>> Coincidentally, it's also what they were actually doing...> The cops say differently. And IIRC, some cops eventually lost their jobs over that particular goof. -- ~/Garth \|"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. Almgren \| I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. ******* \| And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
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Alex Rodriguez 5 May 2005 22:02:50 [ permanent link ]
	In article <jJiee.56314$hu5.8371@tornado.texas.rr.com>, nospam@me.com says... Well, that's what they said they were doing. That's exactly the problem. You can't always believe what a cop will say. They screw up and then put the burden of cleaning up the mess on the accused. -------------- Alex
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Alex Rodriguez 5 May 2005 22:04:17 [ permanent link ]
	In article <3dtth1F5lpiU2@individual.net>, nospam@v6stang.com says...>Around 5/4/2005 11:06 PM, jaybird wrote:>> "L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message >> news:sdvi71houp5s7e8n1gb93mmj8utgtmd0o8@4ax.com...>> On Thu, 05 May 2005 01:33:03 GMT, "jaybird" <nospam@me.com> wrote:>>> In Texas they raised racing from a Class C Misdemeanor to a Class B. >>>>There>>>>are no longer tickets issued, the driver(s) just go straight to jail.>>> And the people shopping at Kmart or eating at Sonic get to go straight>>>to jail too>> Well, that's what they said they were doing.> Coincidentally, it's also what they were actually doing... Since there are no repercussions the cop has to worry about, they really don't care. It would take too much effort on their part to actually do some investigation. Asking a cop to actually do police work can you get in trouble. ------------- Alex
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Alex Rodriguez 5 May 2005 22:05:35 [ permanent link ]
	In article <3duu00Fanf1U2@individual.net>, nospam@v6stang.com says... And IIRC, some cops eventually lost their jobs over that particular goof. For this one major screw up. Unfortunately more often than not, the accused have to waste a lot of time and money and the cop gets to keep his job and collect overtime going to court. -------------- Alex
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Jaybird 6 May 2005 01:58:54 [ permanent link ]
	"Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message news:d5dn39$8i8$10@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...> In article <jJiee.56314$hu5.8371@tornado.texas.rr.com>, nospam@me.com > says...> Well, that's what they said they were doing.> That's exactly the problem. You can't always believe what a cop will say.> They screw up and then put the burden of cleaning up the mess on the> accused. You misunderstood. I was talking about the accused. I know that I'd have enough sense to leave a large gathering of racers especially before the cops start showing up. It didn't just happen, it had to take quite a bit of time to round everyone up. -- --- jaybird --- I am not the cause of your problems. My actions are the result of your actions. Your life is not my fault.
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Daniel J. Stern 6 May 2005 02:00:43 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 5 May 2005, Jim Yanik wrote: Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the> > arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as> > their cars are shredded without compensation. At a loss of revenue that could be put to beneficial public use. I was just taking as given the part about the citation including a fine large enough to cover all crush/shred costs.
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Daniel J. Stern 6 May 2005 02:03:21 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 5 May 2005, Jim Yanik wrote: Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the> > arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as> > their cars are shredded without compensation. At a loss of revenue that could be put to beneficial public use. I was just taking as given the part about the citation including a fine large enough to cover all crush/shred costs.
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim 6 May 2005 02:25:22 [ permanent link ]
	I'd just get my gun out and start shooting pigs as they showed up. the only good traffic cop is a DEAD traffic cop. KILL PIGS !!! "jaybird" <nospam@me.com> wrote in message news:yGwee.40616$h6.13753@tornado.texas.rr.com...> "Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message > news:d5dn39$8i8$10@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...>> In article <jJiee.56314$hu5.8371@tornado.texas.rr.com>, nospam@me.com >> says...>> Well, that's what they said they were doing.>> That's exactly the problem. You can't always believe what a cop will >> say.>> They screw up and then put the burden of cleaning up the mess on the>> accused.> You misunderstood. I was talking about the accused. I know that I'd have > enough sense to leave a large gathering of racers especially before the > cops start showing up. It didn't just happen, it had to take quite a bit > of time to round everyone up.> -- > ---> jaybird> ---> I am not the cause of your problems.> My actions are the result of your actions.> Your life is not my fault.>
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Brent P 6 May 2005 05:30:01 [ permanent link ]
	In article <Pine.GSO.4.58.0505051759550.21964@alumni.engin.umich.edu>, Daniel J. Stern wrote:> On Thu, 5 May 2005, Jim Yanik wrote:> Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the>> > arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as>> > their cars are shredded without compensation.> At a loss of revenue that could be put to beneficial public use.> I was just taking as given the part about the citation including a fine> large enough to cover all crush/shred costs. I simply don't think that property siezure immediately for violations based solely on a single police officer's word are something that is good for liberty. I dislike riceboy racers as much as anyone, but I see considerable victims of this laws like this by mistake, misidentification, general round ups, and out right harrassment. Or just because the cop wanted to make the car his.
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Scott en Aztln 6 May 2005 05:32:28 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 5 May 2005 08:54:59 -0400, "Ted B." <noway@nohow.not.ever> wrote: Why waste a perfectly saleable vehicle? They can be sold to law-abiding>> drivers.The money generated could go to lots of worthy things.> The problem with that theory is, no law-abiding driver would want to get >caught dead in one of those super-modified street racing machines. The cops don't care if they sell the confiscated vehicles to other street racers - riceboys' money is just as green as anyone else's. In fact, I'm sure they wouldn't mind selling the same cars time and time and time again, as each successive owner gets caught street racing.
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Matthew Russotto 6 May 2005 19:10:08 [ permanent link ]
	In article <rP-dnc8TGYwEVeffRVn-2g@comcast.com>, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote:>In article <Pine.GSO.4.58.0505051759550.21964@alumni.engin.umich.edu>, Daniel J. Stern wrote:>> On Thu, 5 May 2005, Jim Yanik wrote:>> Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the>>> > arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as>>> > their cars are shredded without compensation.>> At a loss of revenue that could be put to beneficial public use.>> I was just taking as given the part about the citation including a fine>> large enough to cover all crush/shred costs.> I simply don't think that property siezure immediately for violations based >solely on a single police officer's word are something that is good for >liberty. Liberty? Who cares about liberty? We're talking about punishing those damned kids. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one.
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Jim Yanik 6 May 2005 20:39:37 [ permanent link ]
	"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote in newsine.GSO.4.58.0505051802540.21964@alumni.engin.umich.edu: On Thu, 5 May 2005, Jim Yanik wrote:> Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the>> > arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as>> > their cars are shredded without compensation.> At a loss of revenue that could be put to beneficial public use.> I was just taking as given the part about the citation including a fine> large enough to cover all crush/shred costs.> That still puts you at a LOSS;the loss of public money,that could be put to beneficial public use. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
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K Smythe 6 May 2005 21:39:52 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:58:54 GMT, "jaybird" <nospam@me.com> wrote: "Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message >news:d5dn39$8i8$10@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...>> In article <jJiee.56314$hu5.8371@tornado.texas.rr.com>, nospam@me.com >> says...>> Well, that's what they said they were doing.>> That's exactly the problem. You can't always believe what a cop will say.>> They screw up and then put the burden of cleaning up the mess on the>> accused.> You misunderstood. I was talking about the accused. I know that I'd have >enough sense to leave a large gathering of racers especially before the cops >start showing up. Are you familiar with the location where this happened? It's a BIG parking lot and I doubt that the racers were parked close to the store's entrance where most of the customers would be. Sometimes street racers are difficult if not impossible to avoid. I once found myself in line with a bunch of those assholes simply because I happened to turn down a road that they had taken over. There was nowhere for me to go - there were no side-streets for me to turn off of and a u-turn would have been illegal, not to mention impossible for my car. I finally reached my destination - a store whose entrance was blocked by the racers and whose parking lot (much smaller than Kmart's) had a number of racers parked there too. The manager of the store said she calls the cops whenever they do that and that the cops generally wait a couple of hours until the racers dissipate on their own before showing up. I then had to fight my way out of the parking lot and across the 2 stalled lanes of cars waiting to race to turn left and be on my way. It didn't just happen, it had to take quite a bit of time >to round everyone up. I'm sure it did - why should it come as a surprise that the wheels of injustice sometimes turn slowly as do the wheels of justice.
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K Smythe 6 May 2005 21:46:08 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 05 May 2005 20:30:01 -0500, tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote: In article <Pine.GSO.4.58.0505051759550.21964@alumni.engin.umich.edu>, Daniel J. Stern wrote:>> On Thu, 5 May 2005, Jim Yanik wrote:>> Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the>>> > arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as>>> > their cars are shredded without compensation.>> At a loss of revenue that could be put to beneficial public use.>> I was just taking as given the part about the citation including a fine>> large enough to cover all crush/shred costs.> I simply don't think that property siezure immediately for violations based >solely on a single police officer's word are something that is good for >liberty. I agree - IMO, this is clearly a violation of the 4th amendment. There is no "due process" that is followed in civil forfeiture. Things are seized and if the victim can afford it, then he has to PROVE that his car (or whatever) is "innocent". I dislike riceboy racers as much as anyone, but I see considerable >victims of this laws like this by mistake, misidentification, general >round ups, and out right harrassment. Or just because the cop wanted to >make the car his. >
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BlackWater 9 May 2005 16:24:29 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 04 May 2005 18:20:50 -0400, LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> wrote: Street racers could lose their wheels> By Beth Kassab \| Tallahassee Bureau >Posted May 4, 2005 > TALLAHASSEE -- Alarmed by four deaths in Central>Florida last year, the Legislature on Tuesday approved>tougher penalties for motorists who race their>souped-up cars on public streets. Those who cannot control themselves will BE controlled.
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