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Re: What happened!?

John Harlow 29 April 2005 22:15:42
 eastwardbound2003@ya­hoo.com wrote:> What happen to all the posts?

They shut down the internet last night and did some cleaning.


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K Smythe 29 April 2005 22:28:28 [ permanent link ]
 On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:15:42 -0400, "John Harlow"
<johnharlow@gmail.c­om> wrote:
eastwardbound2003@­yahoo.com wrote:>> What happen to all the posts?>
They shut down the internet last night and did some cleaning. >

Yup - anyone who didn't unplug their PC, had everything wiped out too.

Next weekend will be phone cleaning day.

It is recommended that you place plastic bags over the headsets of all
your phones as they'll be using compressed air to clean out the fiber
optic cables that make up 99% of all phone systems these days.




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Skip Elliott Bowman 30 April 2005 02:59:23 [ permanent link ]
 "K Smythe" <nospam@dev.null> wrote in message
news:33v471tc68i78t­sv0ega2ms0gt39u1alpn­@4ax.com...> On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:15:42 -0400, "John Harlow"> <johnharlow@gmail.c­om> wrote:>
eastwardbound2003­@yahoo.com wrote:>>> What happen to all the posts?>>
They shut down the internet last night and did some cleaning.>>
Yup - anyone who didn't unplug their PC, had everything wiped out too.>
Next weekend will be phone cleaning day.>
It is recommended that you place plastic bags over the headsets of all> your phones as they'll be using compressed air to clean out the fiber> optic cables that make up 99% of all phone systems these days.

And wear foil-lined helmets to block the alpha waves.


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Daniel W. Rouse Jr. 30 April 2005 09:10:44 [ permanent link ]
 <eastwardbound2003@y­ahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114798202.436­722.146920@z14g2000c­wz.googlegroups.com.­..> What happen to all the posts?>
Probably a Google Groups glitch.

Both rec.autos.driving and rec.autos.tech had previous discussions off to
the right, but showed no new posts, and showed a total of 0 posts for the
group.

After all, it's still Groups2 beta, which means issues are still probably
being worked out.

So for immediate newsfeeds, I just use a newsreader. The added benefit is
that it does offer some filtering capabilities with respect to off-topic
posts, spam, or persistent flamewars.



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Dave Stone 30 April 2005 09:22:46 [ permanent link ]
 eastwardbound2003@ya­hoo.com wrote in
news:1114798202.436­722.146920@z14g2000c­wz.googlegroups.com:­
What happen to all the posts?>

When I looked late last night, google groups was showing the 10 most recent
articles in RAD. Some guy was posting '?????' every few minutes, so maybe
that was related? This is the thread I'm referring to:

http://tinyurl.com/­77htk
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Scott en Aztln 3 May 2005 06:14:06 [ permanent link ]
 On 29 Apr 2005 11:10:02 -0700, eastwardbound2003@y­ahoo.com wrote:
What happen to all the posts?

Haven't you heard about the new type of killfile? Iinstead of us being
able to merely block the display of your posts on our computers, we
can now block our posts from being displayed on yours - and everybody
killfiled you at once.

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Adrian 17 September 2006 20:29:29 [ permanent link ]
 Philå (iclgateway@hotmail­.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :
You are so wrong about this and others in the group will agree I am> sure.

There are many in this group who would agree that white was black.
Trundling along at about 5 MPH on the hard shoulder to get off at the > next junction to a safe place is safer then stopping on the hard
shoulder

Really? So these people that get killed on the hard shoulder - and I'll
presume you're thinking of the ones hit by vehicles wandering about from
L1... Will they somehow not be killed if they're doing 5mph on the
shoulder when that wagon wanders about?
Many people die each year from stopping on the hard shoulder

Really? How many?

http://snipurl.com/­wjxv
says 36 people died on the hard shoulder in 2004.

That includes, as just one example, this :-
http://www.strathcl­yde.police.uk/index.­asp?locID=641&docID=­950

I wonder how many others of those 36 deaths were similarly very easily
preventable or non-traffic related?

Of course, if those people on the hard shoulder followed the simple
advice that they've been given for decades - get the hell out of the car
and over the barrier - they wouldn't be killed, would they?

Are you suggesting they get out of their cars whilst they bimble the
five miles or more to the next junction? (Let's hope it isn't the M26,
eh?)

Your advice will have them spending anything up to an hour or more in a
car on the shoulder, instead of an hour stood the other side of the
barrier to the car, waiting for AA/RAC/HATO/Plod to turn up.

Oh, yes, and this is a car with a flat tyre, which is quite likely to
overheat and start to break up. Perhaps that'll cause the car itself to
wander into L1. If it's a mechanical problem, it may cause the engine to
dump oil all over the road. It may even catch fire. It'll almost
certainly cause far more major and expensive damage to the vehicle.
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Philå 17 September 2006 21:25:51 [ permanent link ]
 
So why this post?>
If you knew the correct course of action then I'm sure you would have > *slowed down* and followed the handbook's advice. Instead you caned it > along thus causing a lot more harm than good.>
If you were in a fleet I manage I'd have your butt in front of a > disciplinary board for misconduct.>

"Caned it" your words not mine..

I dropped down a gear and tried to accerate to move accross lanes to lane 1
or the hard shoulder.

It would of happened anyway, rather on the motorway then in mine or a AA
mans face as they were looking under the car.

Oh, by the way.. Nice web site..


*snigger*
-- > The DervMan> www.dervman.com>


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Adrian 17 September 2006 21:32:33 [ permanent link ]
 Philå (iclgateway@hotmail­.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :
I dropped down a gear and tried to accerate to move accross lanes to> lane 1 or the hard shoulder.

Exactly.

What you SHOULD have done was hazards on, ready to dip the clutch in case
it died, and coasted across. Not dropped a cog and floored it.
It would of happened anyway, rather on the motorway then in mine or a> AA mans face as they were looking under the car.

Don't be so pathetically melodramatic.
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CWatters 17 September 2006 21:39:15 [ permanent link ]
 
"Tim Anderson" <s@t.com> wrote in message
news:450c4d64$0$574­4$db0fefd9@news.zen.­co.uk...
Could the middle box house the cat?

Well it could now :-0­


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Philå 17 September 2006 21:45:12 [ permanent link ]
 
I dropped down a gear and tried to accerate to move accross lanes to>> lane 1 or the hard shoulder.>
Exactly.>
What you SHOULD have done was hazards on, ready to dip the clutch in case> it died, and coasted across. Not dropped a cog and floored it.>
It would of happened anyway, rather on the motorway then in mine or a>> AA mans face as they were looking under the car.>
Don't be so pathetically melodramatic.

Sorry Mr Chapman

All is ok, no one harmed and I have a better idea and have learnt from this
group.... Never to ask for advice again..


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DervMan 17 September 2006 22:43:24 [ permanent link ]
 "Philå" <iclgateway@hotmail­.com> wrote in message
news:zyfPg.21543$0i­4.12757@newsfe4-win.­ntli.net...>> So why this post?>>
If you knew the correct course of action then I'm sure you would have >> *slowed down* and followed the handbook's advice. Instead you caned it >> along thus causing a lot more harm than good.>>
If you were in a fleet I manage I'd have your butt in front of a >> disciplinary board for misconduct.>>
"Caned it" your words not mine..

"Another mile and the engine management light started to flash like mad, and
shut down power, could not get above 2.5k RPM and engine started to feel
very tight below these revs noticed smoke from the rear if I tried to put my
foot down and drop it down a gear."

Your words, not mine.
I dropped down a gear and tried to accerate to move accross lanes to lane > 1 or the hard shoulder.

Dropping down a gear to accelerate and putting your foot down.
It would of happened anyway, rather on the motorway then in mine or a AA > mans face as they were looking under the car.

Yes, you're right - there's no disputing this. Your actions from a fleet
managers' perspective were foolish.
Oh, by the way.. Nice web site..

Thanks.

--
The DervMan
www.dervman.com


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Dave 18 September 2006 02:49:43 [ permanent link ]
 
"DervMan" <thedervman@gmail.c­om> wrote in message
news:450d977f$0$574­6$db0fefd9@news.zen.­co.uk...> "Philå" <iclgateway@hotmail­.com> wrote in message > news:zyfPg.21543$0i­4.12757@newsfe4-win.­ntli.net...
<Snipped>

Fucktard springs to mind.


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Dave 18 September 2006 02:58:43 [ permanent link ]
 
"Philå" <iclgateway@hotmail­.com> wrote in message
news:5MgPg.21552$0i­4.13251@newsfe4-win.­ntli.net...>
"Steve" <no@way.com> wrote in message > news:ZigPg.6800$wg.­2668@fe1.news.blueyo­nder.co.uk...> Yeah, we are only supposed to keep them for 3 years. They have stalled a > little with the renewal, but I ordered my new car last month and it is > due in a few weeks. Hire car coming tomorrow, hopefully I will never get > the Zafira back. A 1.6 in it is just poor anyways, that's why they have > stopped selling it with a 1.6.

I hope you lose your job if your incompetence with running a car is proved.
I wouldn't have said that if you had kept your ignorance and arrogance to
yourself but you just had to try and learn some basic principles at your
companys cost.

I do hope that nobody here works out what company you work for and points
them to your arrogance.


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Phil 18 September 2006 03:10:10 [ permanent link ]
 
"Dave" <parva.spamtrap.@ds­l.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:CLydnYJjNYW9Tp­DYRVnyig@pipex.net..­.>
"Philå" <iclgateway@hotmail­.com> wrote in message > news:5MgPg.21552$0i­4.13251@newsfe4-win.­ntli.net...>>
"Steve" <no@way.com> wrote in message >> news:ZigPg.6800$wg.­2668@fe1.news.blueyo­nder.co.uk...>> Yeah, we are only supposed to keep them for 3 years. They have stalled a >> little with the renewal, but I ordered my new car last month and it is >> due in a few weeks. Hire car coming tomorrow, hopefully I will never get >> the Zafira back. A 1.6 in it is just poor anyways, that's why they have >> stopped selling it with a 1.6.>
I hope you lose your job if your incompetence with running a car is > proved. I wouldn't have said that if you had kept your ignorance and > arrogance to yourself but you just had to try and learn some basic > principles at your companys cost.>
I do hope that nobody here works out what company you work for and points > them to your arrogance.>

The cat had failed, the fact it exploded is irelenvant.

The cars manual indicated the car's sensors sense the failure and restrict
the performance of the engine, my actions of trying to avoid an accident and
getting over to the hard shoulder then saftly off the motorway are as in the
case of the car's manual sensible and sound.

Regarding the car change, I have been informed by a vauxhall dealership
employee that the 1.6 was dropped from the range as in his words "It was too
underpowered for the car" so yeah I will be glad to see it auctioned off,
and whoever the buyer is will have a brand new exhaust system, fair play to
them. I do not feel I am being arrogant or ignorant.


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Phil 18 September 2006 03:11:48 [ permanent link ]
 
"Dave" <parva.spamtrap.@ds­l.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:XoqdnZ7p_pCYTJ­DYnZ2dnUVZ8qadnZ2d@p­ipex.net...>
"DervMan" <thedervman@gmail.c­om> wrote in message > news:450d977f$0$574­6$db0fefd9@news.zen.­co.uk...>> "Philå" <iclgateway@hotmail­.com> wrote in message >> news:zyfPg.21543$0i­4.12757@newsfe4-win.­ntli.net...> <Snipped>>
Fucktard springs to mind.>

"but I ordered my new car last month "

Jealous are we Dave???.



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Phil 18 September 2006 03:43:01 [ permanent link ]
 
"Dave" <parva.spamtrap.@ds­l.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:CLydnYJjNYW9Tp­DYRVnyig@pipex.net..­.>
"Philå" <iclgateway@hotmail­.com> wrote in message > news:5MgPg.21552$0i­4.13251@newsfe4-win.­ntli.net...>>
"Steve" <no@way.com> wrote in message >> news:ZigPg.6800$wg.­2668@fe1.news.blueyo­nder.co.uk...>> Yeah, we are only supposed to keep them for 3 years. They have stalled a >> little with the renewal, but I ordered my new car last month and it is >> due in a few weeks. Hire car coming tomorrow, hopefully I will never get >> the Zafira back. A 1.6 in it is just poor anyways, that's why they have >> stopped selling it with a 1.6.>
I hope you lose your job if your incompetence with running a car is > proved. I wouldn't have said that if you had kept your ignorance and > arrogance to yourself but you just had to try and learn some basic > principles at your companys cost.>
I do hope that nobody here works out what company you work for and points > them to your arrogance.>

The cat had failed, the fact it exploded is irelenvant.

The cars manual indicated the car's sensors sense the failure and restrict
the performance of the engine, my actions of trying to avoid an accident and
getting over to the hard shoulder then saftly off the motorway are as in the
case of the car's manual sensible and sound.

Maybe the initial post was an exegaration of the events. But hey, thanks for
the advice anyway guys.

I was always told by Vauxhalls that any yellow warning lights flashing or
otherwise is fine to carry on driving.

If red, stop immediatly, I only had yellow for an emmision fault.

Anyways, I can't take it in for a few days and my next car is a ford so wish
me luck.


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SimonJ 18 September 2006 04:22:32 [ permanent link ]
 
The AA will not carry out any work at the side of a motorway unless>>> absolutely essential. They'll either tow, or get the vehicle>>> recovered to a suitably safe working area.>
They send a patrol out first before a recovery truck, motorway or not.>
Not always.>
99% of the time.
Besides, any patrol is perfectly capable of towing you.

That would depend on the vehicle, and the fault.

The patrol will only be able to do a front end lift, or a tow on a straight
bar. Cars with a flat tyre on the rear, or rear wheel problems, or RWD
automatics, or 4x4's, or low spoilers cannot be moved by the patrol.


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Adrian 18 September 2006 10:36:35 [ permanent link ]
 Phil (iclgateway@hotmail­.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :
I was always told by Vauxhalls that any yellow warning lights flashing> or otherwise is fine to carry on driving.>
If red, stop immediatly, I only had yellow for an emmision fault.

I've never once seen a warning light that changes colour, in any car.
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Adrian 18 September 2006 10:38:20 [ permanent link ]
 SimonJ (me@mine.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :
They send a patrol out first before a recovery truck, motorway or>>> not.
Not always.
99% of the time.

On the occasions I've needed a flatbed sent, they've sent me a flatbed
first time, every time.
Besides, any patrol is perfectly capable of towing you.
That would depend on the vehicle, and the fault.

Indeed. And, for a problem like the OP's, they would.
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Adrian 18 September 2006 10:39:23 [ permanent link ]
 Phil (iclgateway@hotmail­.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :
"but I ordered my new car last month ">
Jealous are we Dave???.

Oh, yes. We're all jealous of somebody who sees a co.car on a par with a
1.6 Zafira as a status symbol. Green with envy, we are.
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Ian Dalziel 18 September 2006 15:42:12 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:22:32 +0100, "SimonJ" <me@mine.net> wrote:
The AA will not carry out any work at the side of a motorway unless>>>> absolutely essential. They'll either tow, or get the vehicle>>>> recovered to a suitably safe working area.>>
They send a patrol out first before a recovery truck, motorway or not.>>
Not always.>>
99% of the time.>

Not any more, I think. It used to be an inflexible rule, but they've
stopped doing it when it's clearly silly.
Besides, any patrol is perfectly capable of towing you.>
That would depend on the vehicle, and the fault.>
The patrol will only be able to do a front end lift, or a tow on a straight >bar. Cars with a flat tyre on the rear, or rear wheel problems, or RWD >automatics, or 4x4's, or low spoilers cannot be moved by the patrol. >

Or a hydropneumatic Citro n with a dead engine.

--

Ian D
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Guy King 18 September 2006 17:39:53 [ permanent link ]
 The message <3c1tg2pgh4fv4bpste­d26ue0mcoum4qp9a@4ax­.com>
from Ian Dalziel <iandalziel@lineone­.net> contains these words:
Not any more, I think. It used to be an inflexible rule, but they've> stopped doing it when it's clearly silly.

I called the RAC when my auto-box oil cooler leaked into the radiator. I
explained what had happened and the woman said "We'll send out a patrol
first" so I told her that it would be a complete waste of time and
resources as the car wasn't going anywhere till it'd had a new radiator.
After about 40mins a towtruck arrived.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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Adrian 18 September 2006 18:17:15 [ permanent link ]
 Guy King (guy.king@zetnet.co­.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :
Not any more, I think. It used to be an inflexible rule, but they've>> stopped doing it when it's clearly silly.
I called the RAC when my auto-box oil cooler leaked into the radiator. I> explained what had happened and the woman said "We'll send out a patrol> first" so I told her that it would be a complete waste of time and> resources as the car wasn't going anywhere till it'd had a new radiator.> After about 40mins a towtruck arrived.

Exactly what happened last time I needed 'em. Burst front-rear suspension
hydraulic pipe on an XM.

"We'll send a patrol, then they'll organise a flatbed if one's needed"
"If you do that, then by the time the flatbed gets here, they'll have a
much harder job loading it, because it'll be flat on the ground"

Flatbed turned up, loaded me, and we were on the way by the time the van
had initially been due to arrive.
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David Taylor 18 September 2006 19:53:33 [ permanent link ]
 On 2006-09-17, Phil <iclgateway@hotmail­.com> wrote:>
*snigger*

Ah, another sniggering fucktard.

--
David Taylor
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Tim Anderson 18 September 2006 20:44:37 [ permanent link ]
 Adrian wrote:> Phil (iclgateway@hotmail­.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they> were saying : >
I was always told by Vauxhalls that any yellow warning lights flashing>> or otherwise is fine to carry on driving.>>
If red, stop immediatly, I only had yellow for an emmision fault.>
I've never once seen a warning light that changes colour, in any car.

Actually an AA bloke told me that too... what he was meaning though was
if say the red oil lamp came on then to stop immediately but if say the
engine management light came on (yellow) to drive gently and slowly to
the nearest garage and no further.
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Conor 19 September 2006 20:25:36 [ permanent link ]
 In article <ZUdPg.28567$SH2.25­88@newsfe4-gui.ntli.­net>, Phil says...>
Many people die each year from stopping on > the hard shoulder

No they don't...a handful do.

it is probably the most dangerous place you could be on > any road. >
No it isn't.


--
Conor

I'm really a nice guy. If I had friends, they would tell you.
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Conor 19 September 2006 20:26:57 [ permanent link ]
 In article <Xns98424D71EE6DEad­rianachapmanfreeis@2­04.153.244.170>,
Adrian says...> Phil (iclgateway@hotmail­.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they> were saying : >
I was always told by Vauxhalls that any yellow warning lights flashing> > or otherwise is fine to carry on driving.> >
If red, stop immediatly, I only had yellow for an emmision fault.>
I've never once seen a warning light that changes colour, in any car.>
Quite common on modern lorries.

--
Conor

I'm really a nice guy. If I had friends, they would tell you.
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Jonathan 20 September 2006 00:44:02 [ permanent link ]
 

Phil wrote:
Driving on the motorway, hammered it on the slip road to get to speed, about > a mile onto the motorway, noticed the engine management light come on.

The engine check light (amber) comes on to indicate that the ECU has
logged a fault code. This is not generally a reason to stop as a matter
of urgency. However, common sense suggests treating the engine gently.
Another mile noticed the engine tightening up and could not really get above > 60MPH.

At this point I, like all the others replying to the post, would have
taken it *really* easy, hoping not to provoke anything worse.
Another mile and the engine management light started to flash like mad,

This means that unburnt fuel is passing into the catalytic converter.
Time to stop. Because the catalytic converter needs to run *very* hot to
work and having unburnt fuel in it will destroy it. Or possibly cause
it to detonate.
shut down power, could not get above 2.5k RPM and engine started to feel > very tight below these revs noticed smoke from the rear if I tried to put my > foot down and drop it down a gear.

Really, really, *really* time to stop now!
Then the middle exhaust box exploded, thought the engine had blown up, it > dropped what looked like a load of dog fluff all over the motorway, and I > felt the shock hard through the gear stick and under me.

The unburnt fuel in the cat (or possibly some other part of the exhaust
system) has just detonated, as predicted by the engine check light.

The original engine check light steady illumination was probably
indicating some sensor or control failure that triggered the rest of the
sorry tale.

Jonathan
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