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MidnightDad 16 April 2005 06:23:41
	I notice so many scared drivers on the road. They are so unsure of their abilities that they endanger everyone else. You know them, they: - brake hard when someone else is merging into their lane, even though they have right of way - brake before they enter an acceleration lane to give their brain time to shift from street to highway driving - put their blinker on 3000 feet before a turn - when changing lanes, put their blinker on before they see an opening and hope someone will let them in - give up their right of way just to be nice, causing drivers behind them to brake unexpectedly - brake inappropriately when someone crosses their path with no chance they will hit them - incessantly look in their rear-view mirror worrying about people behind them following too closely - wait for several minutes before they pull out into traffic because they're afraid to cut someone off - drive under the speed limit BTW, I've seen these behaviors displayed across all genders and ages.
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Alan Baker 16 April 2005 08:09:58 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1113618278.b8c96d57834f0e45694b14904d94450e@teranews>, "MidnightDad" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote: I notice so many scared drivers on the road. They are so unsure of their > abilities that they endanger everyone else. You know them, they:> - brake hard when someone else is merging into their lane, even though they > have right of way I don't know about braking hard but if someone is already merging into my lane, I don't run into the back of them; right of way or not. - brake before they enter an acceleration lane to give their brain time to > shift from street to highway driving> - put their blinker on 3000 feet before a turn> - when changing lanes, put their blinker on before they see an opening and > hope someone will let them in It's the drivers who won't let them in who are the problem.. - give up their right of way just to be nice, causing drivers behind them to > brake unexpectedly Sounds like you're a tailgater... - brake inappropriately when someone crosses their path with no chance they > will hit them ..yup. Definitely a tailgater. - incessantly look in their rear-view mirror worrying about people behind > them following too closely Maybe if you were a proper following distance behind... - wait for several minutes before they pull out into traffic because they're > afraid to cut someone off> - drive under the speed limit> BTW, I've seen these behaviors displayed across all genders and ages. Just remember: when you think you're surrounded by assholes all the time, chances are good that you are the problem. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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Scott en Aztln 16 April 2005 09:20:35 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 04:09:58 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: - when changing lanes, put their blinker on before they see an opening and >> hope someone will let them in> It's the drivers who won't let them in who are the problem.. WRONG. Fact #1: THEY must yield to vehicles already in the lane that they want to merge into. A lack of planning on their part does not constitute an emergency on my part. Fact #2: Unless traffic is bumper-to-bumper, only incompetent drivers have trouble finding an existing gap into which they can smoothly merge without requiring anyone else to modify their speed. Bottom line, if they can't plan ahead and take advantage of existing gaps in traffic to position themselves in the correct lane well in advance of their turn, then they're too incompetent to be driving. - give up their right of way just to be nice, causing drivers behind them to >> brake unexpectedly> Sounds like you're a tailgater... Sounds like you're a Scaredy Driver. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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MidnightDad 16 April 2005 16:17:54 [ permanent link ]
	"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1113630455.066242.266970@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> MidnightDad wrote:>> I notice so many scared drivers on the road. They are so unsure of> their>> abilities that they endanger everyone else. You know them, they:>> - drive under the speed limit> Make up your mind, loonybird. You're always claiming that "everybody> speeds" as your justification for why you break the law.> Your moniker is set to some delusional conspiracy theory and I'm the loonybird?
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Brent P 16 April 2005 22:42:08 [ permanent link ]
	In article <alangbaker-80CE93.21095715042005@news.telus.net>, Alan Baker wrote: - brake hard when someone else is merging into their lane, even though they >> have right of way I don't know about braking hard but if someone is already merging into > my lane, I don't run into the back of them; right of way or not. The last time I eased off as someone acted to cut me off, he slammed on the brakes in front of me. He moved into my lane doing 15mph slower to begin with. It's the drivers who won't let them in who are the problem.. There is no 'let in'. You have to find a gap. I don't make others 'let me in'. I find a gap. I plan ahead. It's not difficult. - give up their right of way just to be nice, causing drivers behind them to >> brake unexpectedly Sounds like you're a tailgater... Yesterday, I had drivers do this and it forced me to brake. My vehicle? Cannondale R600. (that's a _bicycle_) There's no way I can go fast enough to tailgate with a bicycle on flat arterial streets, but when someone hits the brakes to let someone else in I have to brake too. - brake inappropriately when someone crosses their path with no chance they >> will hit them ..yup. Definitely a tailgater. I see people brake for all sorts of nonsensical things every day. Including turns that no braking is required for. Sometimes I'm a block away. Just remember: when you think you're surrounded by assholes all the > time, chances are good that you are the problem. Yeah... it's my fault they can't accelerate or turn faster with their motor vehicles than I can with a _bicycle_.
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Daniel W. Rouse Jr. 17 April 2005 00:02:44 [ permanent link ]
	"Scott en Aztlбn" <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in message news:1r7161lkive1nt4p8i5ci8nl5edk8eavue@4ax.com...> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 04:09:58 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>> wrote:> - when changing lanes, put their blinker on before they see an opening hope someone will let them in> > It's the drivers who won't let them in who are the problem..> WRONG.> Fact #1: THEY must yield to vehicles already in the lane that they> want to merge into. A lack of planning on their part does not> constitute an emergency on my part.> Which doesn't give them the right to follow at such close following distances that effectively block lane changes. Of course, more aggressive/speed driver/road bully type drivers would obviously disagree. So, yes, it still remains that the drivers that won't let them in are an equal part of the problem. Fact #2: Unless traffic is bumper-to-bumper, only incompetent drivers> have trouble finding an existing gap into which they can smoothly> merge without requiring anyone else to modify their speed.> Again, that gap should be large enough such that the lane changing driver can merge in without cutting off the car behind and without tailgating the car in front. In reality, that gap is never readily available if there is any significant traffic, even if it's not bumper to bumper. So again, it remains that the drivers that won't let them in are an equal part of the problem. Bottom line, if they can't plan ahead and take advantage of existing> gaps in traffic to position themselves in the correct lane well in> advance of their turn, then they're too incompetent to be driving.> Bottom line, the aggressive drivers that close gaps because :gasp: someone might actually change lanes in front of them are MORE of a problem than the so-called scaredy drivers. If everyone followed at a 2 to 3 seconds following distance, this entire discussion would be moot. But, the aggressive/speed driver/road bully type drivers just continue to drive in a MFFY manner while complaining that any driver that doesn't drive their way is, interestingly enough, a MFFY driver.
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Alan Baker 18 April 2005 01:22:01 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1r7161lkive1nt4p8i5ci8nl5edk8eavue@4ax.com>, Scott en Aztl?n <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote: On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 04:09:58 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>> wrote:> - when changing lanes, put their blinker on before they see an opening and > >> hope someone will let them in> > It's the drivers who won't let them in who are the problem..> WRONG.> Fact #1: THEY must yield to vehicles already in the lane that they> want to merge into. A lack of planning on their part does not> constitute an emergency on my part. Except in needn't be a lack of planning that causes it. Fact #2: Unless traffic is bumper-to-bumper, only incompetent drivers> have trouble finding an existing gap into which they can smoothly> merge without requiring anyone else to modify their speed. Traffic is often bumper-to-bumper in this situation. Bottom line, if they can't plan ahead and take advantage of existing> gaps in traffic to position themselves in the correct lane well in> advance of their turn, then they're too incompetent to be driving.> - give up their right of way just to be nice, causing drivers behind them > >> to > >> brake unexpectedly> > Sounds like you're a tailgater...> Sounds like you're a Scaredy Driver. Sorry, Scott, but you're wrong on this. We want people to signal their intentions with a proper amount of advance warning. When people use the fact that someone is signaling to close them out, they discourage a safe behaviour in favour of an unsafe one. Driving is an activity where the maxim "do unto others..." should definitely be observed. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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Alan Baker 18 April 2005 01:25:52 [ permanent link ]
	In article <Yt-dnXVq6ucdwfzfRVn-1A@comcast.com>, tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote: In article <alangbaker-80CE93.21095715042005@news.telus.net>, Alan Baker > wrote:> - brake hard when someone else is merging into their lane, even though > >> they > >> have right of way> I don't know about braking hard but if someone is already merging into > > my lane, I don't run into the back of them; right of way or not.> The last time I eased off as someone acted to cut me off, he slammed on > the brakes in front of me. He moved into my lane doing 15mph slower to > begin with. > It's the drivers who won't let them in who are the problem..> There is no 'let in'. You have to find a gap. I don't make others 'let me > in'. I find a gap. I plan ahead. It's not difficult. And so you advocate the last minute, single flash of the turn signals, lane change? That is unsafe behaviour and it should be discouraged by a little driving courtesy. - give up their right of way just to be nice, causing drivers behind them > >> to > >> brake unexpectedly> Sounds like you're a tailgater...> Yesterday, I had drivers do this and it forced me to brake. My vehicle? > Cannondale R600. (that's a _bicycle_) There's no way I can go fast > enough to tailgate with a bicycle on flat arterial streets, but when > someone hits the brakes to let someone else in I have to brake too. If you were close enough that you had to brake suddenly then you were close enough that you had to brake suddenly. If it put you in danger of a collision, you were too close. Period. - brake inappropriately when someone crosses their path with no chance > >> they > >> will hit them> ..yup. Definitely a tailgater.> I see people brake for all sorts of nonsensical things every day. > Including turns that no braking is required for. Sometimes I'm a block > away. If it put you in danger of a collision, you were too close. Period. Just remember: when you think you're surrounded by assholes all the > > time, chances are good that you are the problem.> Yeah... it's my fault they can't accelerate or turn faster with their > motor vehicles than I can with a _bicycle_.> Both of the issues you replied about were about braking, sunshine. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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Allen Seth Dunn 18 April 2005 06:13:43 [ permanent link ]
	"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message news:alangbaker-2F4338.14255217042005@news.telus.net...> In article <Yt-dnXVq6ucdwfzfRVn-1A@comcast.com>,> tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote:> In article <alangbaker-80CE93.21095715042005@news.telus.net>, Alan Baker>> wrote:>> - brake hard when someone else is merging into their lane, even though>> >> they>> >> have right of way>> I don't know about braking hard but if someone is already merging >> > into>> > my lane, I don't run into the back of them; right of way or not.>> The last time I eased off as someone acted to cut me off, he slammed on>> the brakes in front of me. He moved into my lane doing 15mph slower to>> begin with.>> It's the drivers who won't let them in who are the problem..>> There is no 'let in'. You have to find a gap. I don't make others 'let me>> in'. I find a gap. I plan ahead. It's not difficult.> And so you advocate the last minute, single flash of the turn signals,> lane change? That is unsafe behaviour and it should be discouraged by a> little driving courtesy. Unfortunately, I find that sometimes neccessary myself. I don't like to do it and will try at least once the proper way before reserving to it, but sometimes you get stuck around people who are genuine assholes (like LLBs) who will do whatever to keep you from passing them, and so it is sometimes neccessary. Again, it's not something I like to do, but in some of the more heavily-populated areas (i.e. the entire Northeast corridor), it is neccessary to do that from to time to have any chance of moving over. - give up their right of way just to be nice, causing drivers behind >> >> them>> >> to>> >> brake unexpectedly>> Sounds like you're a tailgater...>> Yesterday, I had drivers do this and it forced me to brake. My vehicle?>> Cannondale R600. (that's a _bicycle_) There's no way I can go fast>> enough to tailgate with a bicycle on flat arterial streets, but when>> someone hits the brakes to let someone else in I have to brake too.> If you were close enough that you had to brake suddenly then you were> close enough that you had to brake suddenly. If it put you in danger of> a collision, you were too close. Period.> - brake inappropriately when someone crosses their path with no chance>> >> they>> >> will hit them>> ..yup. Definitely a tailgater.>> I see people brake for all sorts of nonsensical things every day.>> Including turns that no braking is required for. Sometimes I'm a block>> away.> If it put you in danger of a collision, you were too close. Period.> Just remember: when you think you're surrounded by assholes all the>> > time, chances are good that you are the problem.>> Yeah... it's my fault they can't accelerate or turn faster with their>> motor vehicles than I can with a _bicycle_.>> Both of the issues you replied about were about braking, sunshine.> -- > Alan Baker> Vancouver, British Columbia> "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall> to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect> if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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C.H. 18 April 2005 08:32:16 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:23:41 -0400, MidnightDad wrote: I notice so many scared drivers on the road. They are so unsure of their > abilities that they endanger everyone else. You know them, they:> - brake hard when someone else is merging into their lane, even though they > have right of way I also brake when someone is merging into my lane in a way that makes a collision likely. That's not fear but intelligence. Intentionally causing or failing to avoid an accident just because you have the right of way is (sometimes terminally) stupid and highly illegal to boot. Chris
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C.H. 18 April 2005 08:37:26 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 13:42:08 -0500, Brent P wrote: In article <alangbaker-80CE93.21095715042005@news.telus.net>, Alan Baker wrote:> - brake hard when someone else is merging into their lane, even though they >>> have right of way> I don't know about braking hard but if someone is already merging into >> my lane, I don't run into the back of them; right of way or not.> The last time I eased off as someone acted to cut me off, he slammed on > the brakes in front of me. He moved into my lane doing 15mph slower to > begin with. That's unfortunately a very common practice. But I have a feeling that if Midnight Dad is genuine and not just another troll he is no stranger to rearending people in front of him. Chris
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L Sternn 18 April 2005 08:54:41 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:23:41 -0400, "MidnightDad" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote: I notice so many scared drivers on the road. They are so unsure of their >abilities that they endanger everyone else. You know them, they:> - brake hard when someone else is merging into their lane, even though they >have right of way> - brake before they enter an acceleration lane to give their brain time to >shift from street to highway driving> - put their blinker on 3000 feet before a turn> - when changing lanes, put their blinker on before they see an opening and >hope someone will let them in> - give up their right of way just to be nice, causing drivers behind them to >brake unexpectedly> - brake inappropriately when someone crosses their path with no chance they >will hit them> - incessantly look in their rear-view mirror worrying about people behind >them following too closely> - wait for several minutes before they pull out into traffic because they're >afraid to cut someone off> - drive under the speed limit> BTW, I've seen these behaviors displayed across all genders and ages. > But not by yourself, right?
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Brent P 18 April 2005 09:45:13 [ permanent link ]
	In article <pan.2005.04.18.04.32.15.335909@trapspam.org>, C.H. wrote: I also brake when someone is merging into my lane in a way that makes a> collision likely. That's not fear but intelligence. Intentionally causing> or failing to avoid an accident just because you have the right of way is> (sometimes terminally) stupid and highly illegal to boot. And if you cannot manage to avoid it, they'll still fault you. So, given the rules of fault as I now know it, they can hit me in the side.
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Scott en Aztln 18 April 2005 18:27:16 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:22:01 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: Fact #1: THEY must yield to vehicles already in the lane that they>> want to merge into. A lack of planning on their part does not>> constitute an emergency on my part. > Except in needn't be a lack of planning that causes it. That's the exception, not the rule. And it doesn't change the law. We want people to signal their intentions with a proper amount of >advance warning. When people use the fact that someone is signaling to >close them out, they discourage a safe behaviour in favour of an unsafe >one. I always signal, and yet somehow this never happens to me. If I can merge without making anyone slow down and "let me in," why can't you? Driving is an activity where the maxim "do unto others..." should >definitely be observed. The Golden Rule of Driving is the rule I live by. My version of it reads: "I will stay out of your way just as I would have you stay out of mine." In other words, I won't make you slow down unnecessarily, and I expect the same from you. If a pathetic mope is sitting there with her blinker on waiting for someone to slow down and let her in, she can wait until I'm past and merge in behind me. If I let this idiot in front of me, I'll not only have to slow down to let her in, but I'll be forced to drive slow for the entire time I am stuck behind her. No, thanks. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Brent P 18 April 2005 18:42:33 [ permanent link ]
	In article <sig761l1h91cm7jg14a1qqbdkvtqghmde7@4ax.com>, Scott en AztlГЎn wrote:>>> Fact #1: THEY must yield to vehicles already in the lane that they>>> want to merge into. A lack of planning on their part does not>>> constitute an emergency on my part. >> Except in needn't be a lack of planning that causes it.> That's the exception, not the rule. And it doesn't change the law. Yesterday, I am in the left lane stuck behind sloth. In the right hand lane there is a minivan (also sloth). The driver of the minivan flicks on his left signal expecting me to yield to him. I don't. He gives up, accelerates, changes lanes in front of the sloth and comfortably makes the left turn lane he was aiming for. The alternative action that occured, was one where he got where he wanted to go without any negative impact on the rest of traffic.
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Brent P 18 April 2005 22:17:50 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1113847397.113760@news-1.nethere.net>, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote: Of course it does. The law does not require me to let you merge in>> front of me. If you're a Sloth and you're trying to merge into my>> lane, I'm going to maintain a following distance that doesn't leave>> enough room for you to get in front of me and slow me down. There's>> plenty of room behind me for you to merge in.>> No it doesn't--that only means you can maintain your current speed of> travel, but it doesn't mean that you can block traffic with a too-close> following distance for others to merge into. If the following distance is large enough for the idiot to squeeze into, he often will. This means you have TWO unsafe conditions, little following distance AND an idiot who's making an unsafe lane change in fron of you. Maintaining a too close following distance with the clear intent to prevent> anyone merging is offensive driving. Sorry, sometimes it's the lesser of two evils to block out an unsafe lane change. My smashed torqueless wonder car is evidence enough to me to block these people out as much as possible. If you think otherwise, may your vehicle and only your vehicle become damaged in the same manner that occured to the TW car. I'm talking about free-flowing traffic and yet all the lanes are quite full> of cars. One either has to accelerate or brake at a significant magnitude to> jockey for position to find that gap, assuming that an offensive driver> doesn't also move to block a potential lane change. With PROPER following> distances, only mild acceleration or letting of the gas pedal for a bit> would allow a proper lane change. I just don't have a problem. I don't require people yield to me in order to make a lane change.
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Scott en Aztln 19 April 2005 06:22:52 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:58:17 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote: In reality, that gap is never readily available>> My experience contradicts your assertion. I never have problems>> merging unless traffic is bumper-to-bumper and stopped. I think there>> are a few others here whose experience echoes mine.> Mine certainly does. OTOH, in a bumper-to-bumper merge, drivers may be more>inclined to allow a bit more room to a real-steel battered pickup that might>hurt them than to something that looks fragile enough to bleed. In b-t-b traffic, I'm happy to open up a gap and let someone in. Clearly no matter how good a driver you are it's almost impossible to find an existing gap(). It also helps me maintain a positive balance in my Karma account over at Wells Swarga. () The exception to this is the morons who fail to accelerate as quickly as the cars in front of them, leaving a huge gap in front of their car once the wave of braking passes. It's trivial to merge in front of these dorks. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Scott en Aztln 19 April 2005 06:24:59 [ permanent link ]
	On 18 Apr 2005 16:42:45 -0700, "Old Wolf" <oldwolf@inspire.net.nz> wrote: It is pretty difficult to change lane without disruption if>the lane you're changing to is going slower than the one>you're currently in. You have to either match speed with the>slower lane, or dive into it and then brake.>(Of course you should have planned ahead and gotten into the>lane sooner). In fact the best thing to do is to find a>creeper or an enabler, and dive in ahead of them. They were>disrupting the flow anyway so you haven't really made things>much worse. As long as you don't force the guy you're merging in front of to brake, you've done your job well. The fact that HE is obstructing traffic is not your fault. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Jim Yanik 19 April 2005 07:05:57 [ permanent link ]
	Scott en Aztlбn <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in news:ckq861lhj8upoh9mkebtg9o03ljvmo0u7t@4ax.com: On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:58:17 -0700, The Real Bev><bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote:> In reality, that gap is never readily available>>> My experience contradicts your assertion. I never have problems>>> merging unless traffic is bumper-to-bumper and stopped. I think>>> there are a few others here whose experience echoes mine.>> Mine certainly does. OTOH, in a bumper-to-bumper merge, drivers may>>be more inclined to allow a bit more room to a real-steel battered>>pickup that might hurt them than to something that looks fragile>>enough to bleed. > In b-t-b traffic, I'm happy to open up a gap and let someone in.> Clearly no matter how good a driver you are it's almost impossible to> find an existing gap(). It also helps me maintain a positive balance> in my Karma account over at Wells Swarga.> () The exception to this is the morons who fail to accelerate as> quickly as the cars in front of them, leaving a huge gap in front of> their car once the wave of braking passes. It's trivial to merge in> front of these dorks.> How about the schmucks who,when you open up a gap for them to merge,don't do it right away,but dawdle and take their sweet ol time? (waiting for what, I don't know) I close the gap I opened back up if they don't react promptly. You snooze,you lose. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
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Allen Seth Dunn 19 April 2005 08:15:56 [ permanent link ]
	"Scott en Aztlбn" <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in message news:sig761l1h91cm7jg14a1qqbdkvtqghmde7@4ax.com...> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:22:01 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>> wrote:> Fact #1: THEY must yield to vehicles already in the lane that they>>> want to merge into. A lack of planning on their part does not>>> constitute an emergency on my part.>> Except in needn't be a lack of planning that causes it.> That's the exception, not the rule. And it doesn't change the law.> We want people to signal their intentions with a proper amount of>>advance warning. When people use the fact that someone is signaling to>>close them out, they discourage a safe behaviour in favour of an unsafe>>one.> I always signal, and yet somehow this never happens to me.> If I can merge without making anyone slow down and "let me in," why> can't you? It must be a Northeast Corridor thing. Often times you get heavy traffic with vehicles in all lanes going about the same speed and often following too closely. Try to get out of your lane (so you can make a turn or exit a mile up the road) and often times flipping the signal on will just make people in the following lane close the gaps just enough so you can't merge. Now, a lot of times people have this coming to them because they try to do this at the last minute, but if traffic is heavy enough, it doesn't seem to matter how early you try to prepare to change lanes, a turn signal blinking and actually giving some warning of what you are trying to do will seemingly be taken as a threat against the blocking driver's manhood or something. Driving is an activity where the maxim "do unto others..." should>>definitely be observed.> The Golden Rule of Driving is the rule I live by. My version of it> reads:> "I will stay out of your way just as I would have you stay out of> mine."> In other words, I won't make you slow down unnecessarily, and I expect> the same from you. If a pathetic mope is sitting there with her> blinker on waiting for someone to slow down and let her in, she can> wait until I'm past and merge in behind me. If I let this idiot in> front of me, I'll not only have to slow down to let her in, but I'll> be forced to drive slow for the entire time I am stuck behind her. No,> thanks.> -- > Sloth Kills!> http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Timothy J. Lee 21 April 2005 00:50:21 [ permanent link ]
	In article <hjh761ltki3ksdpl760ftvmf9sj49kbu06@4ax.com>, Scott en Aztlбn <newsgroup> wrote:>Here's the problem with Sloth Mergers: instead of maintaining the>common speed of traffic, finding a gap, and merging smoothly into it,>they 1) SLOW DOWN, 2) flip on their turn signal, and 3) continue>driving slowly until someone "lets them in." That's not how they usually act. They just cut into gaps while moving at a speed much slower than traffic already in the right lane (i.e. not waiting for someone to "let them in" but just forcing their way in). So the right lane driver behind them has to slow down or make an emergency lane change to avoid rear ending them. Obviously, this creates congestion near every on-ramp. Some drivers tailgate in the right lane to prevent this, but that (a) is more dangerous, and (b) contributes to the on-ramp congestion even more, since even someone who is trying to merge properly at the speed of right lane traffic will have to "force his/her way in" when the right lane tailgaters leave no reasonable gaps to merge into. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Timothy J. Lee Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.
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John David Galt 29 April 2005 11:38:09 [ permanent link ]
	Scott en AztlГЎn wrote:> My experience contradicts your assertion. I never have problems> merging unless traffic is bumper-to-bumper and stopped. I think there> are a few others here whose experience echoes mine. Scott is right on all counts, with one minor exception: In southern California, the typical driver can get in front of you even if you tailgate, simply by inserting his front fender into a tiny gap and following it in, thus forcing you to brake (a maneuver which I call an "LA lane change"). But even this is only a problem in the very worst congested areas (I-405 near LAX, for instance), because the "sloth mergers" he's concerned about aren't competent enough to try it or to succeed if they did.
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John David Galt 29 April 2005 11:47:31 [ permanent link ]
	C.H. wrote:> I also brake when someone is merging into my lane in a way that makes a> collision likely. That's not fear but intelligence. Intentionally causing> or failing to avoid an accident just because you have the right of way is> (sometimes terminally) stupid and highly illegal to boot. That law is completely stupid and wrong. But since it's there, it's all the more reason to do things like tailgate, so that anyone who would take advantage of it to steal your right-of-way never gets the opportunity.
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C.H. 29 April 2005 16:00:36 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:47:31 -0700, John David Galt wrote: C.H. wrote:>> I also brake when someone is merging into my lane in a way that makes a>> collision likely. That's not fear but intelligence. Intentionally causing>> or failing to avoid an accident just because you have the right of way is>> (sometimes terminally) stupid and highly illegal to boot.> That law is completely stupid and wrong. No, it is not. Stupid is to cause an accident if you can avoid it. But since it's there, it's all> the more reason to do things like tailgate, so that anyone who would take> advantage of it to steal your right-of-way never gets the opportunity. I can only hope you are joking. If not, please do all of us a favor and return your driver's license. Chris
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