On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:41:21 -0700, Scott en AztlГЎn , said the following >in rec.autos.driving..­. >

I fail to see the need for the ICE agents to apologize. Like the agent in >the article said, "you do what you got to do." Maybe more high profile >take-downs of these invaders is in order. Props to the ICE people for a >job well done in rounding up both some foreign invaders and some >incompetent drivers. >

The Indians probably had the same impression of the Europeans.

Skip Elliott Bowman wrote:>

The issue is - they're breaking the law.

Some people sure are quick to rain abuse on these "wetbacks". Maybe they'd > prefer to work the fields themselves, or they support the idea that $5 heads > of lettuce are a good thing.

Or maybe they just hate folks who don't look > and act just like them.

We're talking about the same people, corrupted only by euro peon blood....

Idiots gawking at handcuffed wetbacks caused three separate crashes> near Tucson today. Un-fucking-believab­le!! The BP is acting all> apologetic, as if it's somehow THEIR fault that these numbskulls> crashed into each other. If these fucktards can't stay focused on> their drivingm they deserve to have their licenses yanked.>

BTW, how much you wanna bet the "landscaping trucks" that crashed were> crammed full of wetbacks also? No wonder they crashed - they saw La> Migra and panicked! Of course, it goes without saying that the> motorhome was being driven by some doddering old snowbird...>

http://www.dailysta­r.com/dailystar/metr­o/69949.php>

Drivers gawking at a group of 15 handcuffed illegal entrant suspects> along the side of Interstate 10 on Monday morning caused three car> crashes that shut down travel for about an hour near Downtown.>

The rubbernecking mishaps happened after several U.S. Immigration and> Customs Enforcement agents made a high-risk traffic stop on westbound> I-10 near the Miracle Mile exit, just before 10 a.m., said Officer> James Oien, an Arizona Department of Public Safety spokesman.>

While not often initiated in such a visible location, high-risk stops> are made when agents or officers suspect there is a potential for> violence, Oien said.>

"They were being extremely cautious," he said. "If you've got some> felons going down the interstate and the only place you can stop them> is Grant Road, you do what you gotta do.">

Traffic backed up for several miles and, in less than an hour, two> landscaping trucks and a motor home rear-ended cars in three separate> crashes. The two trucks spun sideways and blocked the westbound lanes> of I-10 near the Grant Road exit, Oien said.>

Why not just call them what they are: Someone who is here illegally.> Illegal alien had a meaning we all understood. I've read them> described as illegal entrants, undocumented workers, immgrants,> undocumented immgrants, seasonal undocumenteds, workers without visas,> etc. The euphemisms are endless.>

Some people sure are quick to rain abuse on these "wetbacks". Maybe> they'd prefer to work the fields themselves, or they support the idea> that $5 heads of lettuce are a good thing. Or maybe they just hate> folks who don't look and act just like them.

Didja see the Wash.Times today about how the Feds(Immigration!!)­ caught 11 > illegals,then RELEASED them,didn't deport them?>

This infuriates me.>

http://www.washtime­s.com/metro/20050413­-121904-9792r.htm>

Just what is euro peon blood....

That'll be the serfs currently trying to scrape together a united europe to>challenge The United States Of America. The isle of engles is specifically>exclud­ed. See Europe

The L'ammonds who came over to slaughter them?

"the guvner" <pizzalovingcrimina­ls@allstars.ps> wrote in message>news:sb0r51­pmvfinth78ci4809ic9v­7v44idc4@4ax.com...>­> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:51:14 -0700, "Phxbrd">> <lesliesethhammond@­yahoo.com> wrote:>>

Not until 1628, after engle and peon filth had decimated millions - many on>vile purpose....

When you people were offering rewards for indian scalps in the late> 1900s??

Indigenes learned scalping for bounty from filthy engles, innit....

How can you ignore, no *deny* dictionary definitions?

The delineation has been pointed to with pride by many, many generations of engles, over>centuries and centuries. You've traditionally hated all peons, as they've>returned the compliment.

Your desperate need for an improved economy there>is noted, but disallowed....

See how we lead the world?

In cholera blanket distribution as well....

It's wrong.>

Is it a coincidence it's from the country where books like to pretend> evolution didn't happen?>

We're all European brothers.>

Our economy is in great shape, Mr Blair says so, so it must be true...

You're a failed empire,

with no natural resources whatsoever. You stole>from others for hundreds of years, now it's over....

Myths about over this, while you people are famed for killing them.

Yatahey!

The *greatest* empire the world has ever seen??>

Meanwhile you have Guam, Saipan and Hawaii (and they want you out),> and have been slung out of Cuba, Vietnam and Iraq.>

Yet the world still loves us, and all want to speak our language.

Nobody's falling for that, you're an engle.

Your use of the word serf makes no sense whatsoever, since serfs were> laborers bound by a process that existed in the middle ages. If you> want to make a statement about the EU then just say it. Don't use> ecololic phrases that have some cryptic meaning understood only by you.>

And if you feel somehow threatened by the EU, that is nothing compared> to what is happening on the other side of the pacific ocean. Wait> until China and India cement their relationship and bring in several of> their asian neighbors into a common union.>

"the guvner" <pizzalovingcrimina­ls@allstars.ps> wrote in message>news:3h8r51­dhn758f9ri2hgc3opmqm­bn6kt4qn@4ax.com...>­> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:46:37 -0700, "Phxbrd">> <lesliesethhammond@­yahoo.com> wrote:>>

You hope to gain somehow through association with me?

My god boy, build yer>own reputation, and stop cheating customers and joking abut it. Jeesh....>

Yup, that's how fucking low nick is. Associating with people like you> would be a step up.

"Skip Elliott Bowman" <skipster@teleport.­com> wrote in>news:ECc7e.5657$­lP1.3491@newsread1.n­ews.pas.earthlink.ne­t: >

There are provisions for LEGAL migrant workers.>Illegals need to be deported.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:40:20 -0700, "Phxbrd"><leslieset­hhammond@yahoo.com> wrote:>

The *greatest* empire the world has ever seen??>

Meanwhile you have Guam, Saipan and Hawaii (and they want you out),>and have been slung out of Cuba, Vietnam and Iraq.>

Yet the world still loves us, and all want to speak our language.

Some people sure are quick to rain abuse on these "wetbacks". Maybe they'd >prefer to work the fields themselves, or they support the idea that $5 heads >of lettuce are a good thing. Or maybe they just hate folks who don't look >and act just like them.

What country are you from? Here in the US we don't employ people in> fields, we use machinery.>

Are you still upset that your stupid liberal candidate lost? Don't> bother trying to argue that you voted for Bush, because only idiot> liberals would suggest that calling an illegal alien an illegal alien> is somehow improper.

What country are you from?

Are you still upset that your stupid liberal candidate lost? Don't> bother trying to argue that you voted for Bush, because only idiot> liberals would suggest that calling an illegal alien an illegal alien> is somehow improper.

Garth Almgren wrote:>> Around 4/13/2005 11:43 AM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea)>> <http://tinyurl.com­/65nqz> wrote:>>

That would require something LBMHBF doesn't have: intelligence and> common sense.

They are clearly profiling. Every once in a while they will stop me>and ask me what my citizenship is, then they thank me and wave me on>through. Most of the time they just wave me on through without saying>anything.

So, just curious - do you look Chinese or something?

Please explain to me how an illegal alien will take my job as band > leader/composer from me. I'd like to hear this.>

You hope to gain somehow through association with me? My god boy, build yer>own reputation, and stop cheating customers and joking abut it. Jeesh....

Rome?

Well, now that the UK has shrunk to the point where it only consists>of most of the British Isles.

Your language is slipping off like latin, becoming just another source for>American, the language of the modern world.

People risk death to come here,

where there's still ample opportunity for a free and prosperous life....

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:33:52 -0700, L Sternn <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote:>

What did it consist of before???

On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:14:57 -0700, L Sternn <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote:>

Whatever possessed you to ask such a question?

"az-willie" <sclause@npole.com>­ wrote in message >news:4zh7e.23677$g­s4.15719@okepread05.­..>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:22:49 +0000, Skip Elliott Bowman wrote:>

Please explain to me how an illegal alien will take my job as band >leader/composer from me. I'd like to hear this.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 02:50:12 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman"> <skipster@teleport.­com> wrote:

Easy.>

1) He's just as good as you are.>

2) He'll work for half the pay.>

3) Your employer knows a good thing when he sees it, fires you, hires him.>

That's how it works. The employer doesn't care that he's able to do this> because he has 3rd world expectations of living standards and doesn't mind> living 3 familes to 1 house, doesn't pay for air conditioning, keeps the house> at 50 degrees in the winter, etc. etc. If you want to keep your job, you have> to work for that sort of pay and lower your standard of living to match his.> That's how it works.

Idiots gawking at handcuffed wetbacks caused three separate crashes>near Tucson today. Un-fucking-believab­le!!

Cheating???

That was just a small one, barely worth mentioning.

What did it consist of before???

In your lifetime? Not much?>

Stop resting on the laurels of your ancestors - those with the good> genes all emigrated years ago.>

You have nothing left but a joke of a royal family to remember your> former glory.>

The world speaks English, you lot speak Spanish, HTH...>

Americans risk death just living there.>

Amid the trailerparks...

Failure to ship as advertised is cheating your customer of his time and>confidence in you.

A hundred contented customers won't offset one unhappy>one, who's usually the only one to say one way or the other. Bad news>travels like wildfire, especially when posted on E-bay and can turn off>sales without beginning them. You'd best get that mess cleaned up....

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 05:46:13 GMT, the guvner><pizzaloving­criminals@allstars.p­s> wrote:>

In your lifetime? Not much?

Stop resting on the laurels of your ancestors - those with the good>genes all emigrated years ago.

You have nothing left but a joke of a royal family to remember your>former glory.

The refuse & rejects from Ireland & Europe hiding from the world....

"the guvner" <pizzalovingcrimina­ls@allstars.ps> wrote in message>news:2p0s51­drst1nsm5m19iikjio75­lqbb2a92@4ax.com...>­> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:34:40 -0700, L Sternn <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote:>>

sez the whelp whose tiny blur adores ground trod upon by moron Dubya, the>leader of the current empire - The United States Of America! (cheers ->applause)

Have I told you my Ukrainian friend now works for the state of Arizona?

He has very good credentials & degrees, so will quickly rise through the civil>service ranks. Fringes & retirement benefits are excellent throughout.

In the meantime, you're still there hustling car parts....

Didn't they up sticks and leave for the US?

Empire?

Israel and Guam?

How did exercising border control become "bigotry"?>

LEGAL immigrants would still be able to enter through the many border> crossings.

Unlucky.>

He'll be able to return home with a few $$$ then?

What's wrong with that?

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:06:56 GMT, Dave Head , said the following in >rec.autos.driving.­.. >

Actually, you don't need item number 1. Many of the corporate criminals >in this nation who replace Americans with foreigners couldn't care less >about the quality of the product. All they see is fat stock options for >drastically increasing profits with out necessairly having to raise >prices (even though they do that too).

Of course the discussion supposes an employer and employee relationship.> You're more of an entreprenuer. Nice, but doesn't help the vast majority > of us> that are at risk from H1B and illegal aliens taking our jobs and/or> dramatically lowering the US standard of living.

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.>­ wrote in message> news:Xns9638B6F585B­9Djyanikkuanet@129.2­50.170.83...>

Defense of the borders is legally justified and necessary. Universal> disdain for all illegal immigrants, calling them wetbacks and other> disparaging terms, and hating them without distinction becomes bigotry.

This is all true, Dave, and it illustrates my point to a T.

How did exercising border control become "bigotry"?

LEGAL immigrants would still be able to enter through the many border > crossings.

DTJ wrote:>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:25:56 GMT, "Skip Elliott Bowman">> <skipster@teleport.­com> wrote:>>

Or you're unaware>of the President's position on illegal Mexican immigration?

No I can't, but then I never made that claim. Last I checked, all American >workers haven't been laid off.

Exactly.

Only because of limits on the number of H1-B visas granted.

Obviously you are unaware that you liberal fucktards are the ones who> insist on overwhelming PC.

Try keeping up, the comment was in regards> to your idiotic comment about "folks who don't"...

"Overwhelming PC". What the heck do you mena?>

I am a conservative; you Chimp followers are not. You've> been hoowinked by Wolfowitz and Perle and the other Neocons.>

My comment? Where?

I wish you'd try to use your brain, rather than politically correct > cliches.

It is not gratuitous hatred, or hatred inspired by racial differences.> By encouraging illegal immigration, the politicians are creating a huge,> resentful underclass who is uneducated, does not speak English, has no> prospects for good jobs, engages in criminal activities, and consequently > hates> America and Americans.

No different from importing slaves from Africa, really: cheap labor that> in the long run created huge social problems.

Is that what you think all illegal immigrants are like? If you do, this > calls for a new term: prejudice.

Illegal immigrants willingly and willfully risk their lives and liberty, > and/or pay huge sums of money to have a shot at making $15-$20 a day picking > spinach under a crop duster. They send most of that money home to their > families.

You still think illegal immigrants are just like slaves?

It is not prejudice. What are you going to do, if your mom is a maid> at Motel 8, and your dad is washing dishes in a restaurant? Obviously,> you're resenting America and 'gringos' for your shitty life, forgetting> that America owes you *nothing*. A life of crime as a proud gangbanger> beckons.

So what? Did I force them to come here? And if they're such great workers,> why dont they make Mexico a better place so they can live a normal life> there?

Yes. In both cases politicians import very cheap unskilled labor> having only economical aspects in mind, and ignoring the disatruous> societal impact of creating an uneducated, primitve, resentful underclass.

Only to visit and bestow gifts. He has it made....

You, according to some irate customers you refuse to mollify....

What would you call it?

Run the way Dubya says, just like engleland....

"the guvner" <pizzalovingcrimina­ls@allstars.ps> wrote in message>news:nvnt51­p031gjgrn1j8v81suqq6­p09hgh24@4ax.com...>­> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:59:48 -0700, "Phxbrd">> <lesliesethhammond@­yahoo.com> wrote:>>

Much later. Believe it or not, you filth once had a melting pot....

Who elects the government? Do you vote? Are you even registered to vote?

But when the Ukranian economy overtakes yours?>

Some people are *never* satisfied, innit.

Failed effort at empire building.>

Only little Tony does what Dubya says.

Well obviously, that comes from being the greatest empire the world> has ever known.

They've had more, but ignored and wasted all of it. There are no longer any>trees of note, no bears, no deer

Dead false.

A good salesman make unhappy customers learn to love him and>buy merchandise they don't even need. You, on the other hand, are lucky to>survive on the increasingly occasional customer who doesn't know your bad>reputation....

What will you do with that ugly loser MG now that it's properly an orphan?

The market has spoken. Not even ignorant engles can keep a bad marque>alive....

that kept folks with dark skins outside the blighted land....

How do you account for all the deer and trees then?

You've never been to Luton?

Dead true.>

See the racist losers here for example.>

What bad reputation??

Mg will survive, and Rovers will be produced in the million in China.

Watch and learn old man.

"the guvner" <pizzalovingcrimina­ls@allstars.ps> wrote in message>news:08qv51­1lotje478v2khefvpmov­c04hnvtv@4ax.com...>­> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:12:24 -0700, "Phxbrd">> <lesliesethhammond@­yahoo.com> wrote:>>

Show us some nice piccies of Sherwood Forest and all the Bambi's and>Thumpers living there then....

You've squandered all yer natural resources - what little there was....

Ask anyone here....

"the guvner" <pizzalovingcrimina­ls@allstars.ps> wrote in message>news:fiqv51­li68h4ggfn2ksda6jhjd­1f2l7avi@4ax.com...>­> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:13:45 -0700, "Phxbrd">> <lesliesethhammond@­yahoo.com> wrote:>>

All in the last several decades, innit....

China turned down all offers made.

Chinks like Toyota quality - not engle>trash....

It tickles me that the Phoenix Group is responsible for shutting the loser>marque down. Heh, heh, heh....

Since the early '50s.

Remind us all again when segregation ended in America...

I'm loved and respected by all here...

China brought the rights last year, China got exactly what it wanted,> Tony got stiffed.>

Watch as they chrun out Rovers by the million.>

Engle disinterest in engle cars killed it.

Engle lack of automotive knowledge kept the brand alive far longer than>expected by the world.

Rover built cack, MG built more....

http://www.sherwood­forest.org.uk/

http://www.deer-uk.­com/Deer.htm

This from an American???

"the guvner" <pizzalovingcrimina­ls@allstars.ps> wrote in message>news:lhrv51­1a9qqvtmjfh0eem2157f­54sq3qha@4ax.com...>­> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:36:08 -0700, "Phxbrd">> <lesliesethhammond@­yahoo.com> wrote:>>

I'm the only one who even talks with you on a regular basis.

I have hopes for you despite your bad efforts....

You kept them well hidden when I was there in 1956 & 1957. Were they in a>ghetto hidden away somewhere?

It began with desegregation in our military, thanks to Harry Truman. I saw>it later in 1954....

So to summerise, the Americans decided to invade Canada, but instead> got bitchslapped, their country invaded and their capitol burned to> the ground. It's a bit like your humiliating defeat in Vietnam, innit.

Like all engles they were working hard somewhere.>

And in the south?

Timed out twice while searching for trees one assumes....

Foreign deer introduced after engles slaughtered all native, innit....

America is rich in ALL natural resources.

Do you trust voters? Are you a voter?

Note who builds your race cars...

Meanwhile you drive a Toyota...

"the guvner" <pizzalovingcrimina­ls@allstars.ps> wrote in message>news:bgsv51­trsqv0f7g8rs1obc1n2f­1opn2j21@4ax.com...>­> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:52:22 -0700, "Phxbrd">> <lesliesethhammond@­yahoo.com> wrote:>>

American hot rodders who turn 340 in the quarter mile. There?

Comparable to engle cars only in having four wheels....

Must be your steam powered computer...>

Not according to the site.>

I don't know why I bother try to educate you sometimes...>

http://www.no-nukes­.org/nukewatch/summe­r99/f99lifestyles.ht­ml

Who elects the government?

On January 8, 1815, American forces, under General Jackson

Most US military posts are in the South....

You're getting desperate, innit....

http://www.lola-gro­up.com/index_flash.c­fm

We taught the Japanese how to build cars, innit.

Is there anything there worth defending??

Evidently you have no quick or fast quarter-milers....

Your Triumph rebadged Kawasaki motorcycles as Triumphs. Mebbe you shoulda>pulled the same underhanded sneak with cars?

Grits

We have the quickest of all:>

http://www.thrustss­c.com/>

Rovers are Hondas in disguise...

Hondas have actually been built there as Rovers.

"6,500 tons of contaminated waste drums called "drum mountain." DOE> plans to ship the waste to the commercial waste dump managed by> Envirocare in Utah. The drums once contained uranium tetrafluoride> ("greensalt"), a radioactive material used to make uranium> hexafluoride. The mass of scrap metal is a potential source of> groundwater and surface water contamination at the Paducah Plant.> Furthermore, DOE cannot try to cope with waste in the burial pits> beneath the pile until the metal has been removed."

I'm loved and respected by all here...

We taught the Japanese how to build cars, innit.

Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvner ><pizzalovingcrimin­als@allstars.ps> wrote:>

You misspelled "reviled" and "mocked."

They attacked, we humilated them, in 1812 you attacked, we humiliated> you.

Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvner ><pizzalovingcrimin­als@allstars.ps> wrote:>

You're gone. We're still here

That would be the USA. Mebbe that's why a great percentage of their design > is done by us now.>

We occupy lands we won. You?

Do the stolen islands of Hawaii really count?

Perhaps had you filth not killed the king and queen you could have avoided>being thrown out on yer ear....>

"In 1823, Kamehameha II, Queen Kamamalu and a few chiefs and women sailed to>England. They toured London and joined in entertainments arranged in their>honor by the British aristocracy. While there, the King and Queen>contracted measles, which Hawaiians had little immunity and died."

Note how the Hawaiins fly our flag and not yours...>

Get out!

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:12:24 -0700, "Phxbrd"><leslieset­hhammond@yahoo.com> wrote:>

How do you account for all the deer and trees then?

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:29:51 GMT, "Larry J."><usenet2@DE.LET­E.THISljvideo.com> wrote:>

And your invasion of Canada...

Well obviously, that comes from being the greatest empire the world> has ever known.

Hawaiians spit after mentioning you filth....

Morons, mostly. Morons = People who voted against their own interests> to put a NeoConservative (not to be confused with a Conservative)> administration in office.

They keep showing you the same photos over and over again.

Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvner ><pizzalovingcrimin­als@allstars.ps> said:>

Thank you. We are that.

Waiving the right to remain silent, the guvner><pizzaloving­criminals@allstars.p­s> said: >

No need. All their major production is owned by us.

"L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message

I'll take that as a "Sorry, no can do."

Oh yeah--your welfare recipient neighbors are your proof.

I asked you to provide facts other than what you've seen. You still >haven't. So I'll take that to mean you have nothng but your "informed" >opinion.>

Who elects the government? Do you vote? Are you even registered to vote? >

They keep showing you the same photos over and over again.

They love us, they hate you.>

Get out!

You're just bitter because you only have catuses...

I've obviously entered a high spin zone.

What do welfare recipients have to do with H1-Bs?

Your mixing things up.

Do you know what lobbyists are?

Of course I am registerd and I do vote.>

I suspect I know what you're going to say to that.....

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:06:17 GMT, "Larry J."><usenet2@DE.LET­E.THISljvideo.com> wrote:>

You're just bitter because you only have catuses...

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:07:52 GMT, "Larry J."><usenet2@DE.LET­E.THISljvideo.com> wrote:>

As if.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:09:16 GMT, "Larry J."><usenet2@DE.LET­E.THISljvideo.com> wrote:>

You're having a laugh, even the Vietnamese kicked you out.

"the guvner" <pizzalovingcrimina­ls@allstars.ps> wrote in message> news:2qb061h6iik60m­p43t25nbnbn5rv8uuq8t­@4ax.com...>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:41:14 -0700, "Phxbrd">> <lesliesethhammond@­yahoo.com> wrote:>>

They begged us for statehood until we relented....>

See History

Yeah--people who work in lobbies?

Yeah, that's it - and your Conrgressman will do his bst to represent> you in Congress.>

Wanna buy some swampland in Florida?

"the guvner" <pizzalovingcrimina­ls@allstars.ps> wrote in message>news:c8e061­ds4u3pir3emj7kfa3sk0­30a6to1n@4ax.com...>­> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:06:17 GMT, "Larry J.">> <usenet2@DE.LETE.TH­ISljvideo.com> wrote:>>

We have elk the size of horses - wild & free....>

For that matter, we also have wild horses. You?

They have more imported deer than trees to hide in. Luckily the 'wild' deer>are on preserves, innit....

They begged us for statehood until we relented....

See History

History scares the bejeezus out of the engles.

We left after we had the opportunity to test all our nifty new >weapons on them.

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 03:10:38 GMT, "Larry J."><usenet2@DE.LET­E.THISljvideo.com> wrote:>

As you ran off?

We have a long and glourious history,...