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Shock N Awesome 10 April 2005 00:06:39
 Now, let me see if I've got this straight.

As a regular citizen motorist, if I get caught
speeding I'll be required to pay a ticket. If
I get caught speeding over a pedestrian to
cause a fatality, I'll face additional costly
citations and jail time.

As a government employee behind the wheel,
I'm cleared to make street pizza out of anyone
in my way by ignoring speed limits. No penalty
whatsoever will be imposed on me for breaking
traffic laws to kill with my government vehicle.

Did I get you right on that?

Sincerely,
Timothy "Humvee" McVeigh

PS Are applications for the specific-individual­
pick-off incentives being accepted at this time?



William Dreyer, 28, of Baden, PA, was doing
53 in a 35 mph zone when he mowed down
Justin Zankel, a twelve-year-old boy on the way
to school. Dreyer got no ticket for speeding, no
citation for slamming into a kid, not even a stern
word. Dreyer is a government employee who
was driving an official vehicle in the incident.

http://www.thepitts­burghchannel.com/new­s/4311146/detail.htm­l
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L'acrobat 10 April 2005 09:30:38 permanent link ]
 
"Shock N Awesome" <bloodyboot@neocon.­fascist.gov> wrote in message
news:tbcg51h06r4b02­2jtq342t2k73g103urqv­@4ax.com...> Now, let me see if I've got this straight.>
As a regular citizen motorist, if I get caught> speeding I'll be required to pay a ticket. If> I get caught speeding over a pedestrian to> cause a fatality, I'll face additional costly> citations and jail time.>
As a government employee behind the wheel,> I'm cleared to make street pizza out of anyone> in my way by ignoring speed limits. No penalty> whatsoever will be imposed on me for breaking> traffic laws to kill with my government vehicle.

http://www.thepitts­burghchannel.com/new­s/4311146/detail.htm­l

A coroner's inquest, highly unusual for Beaver County, was held Wednesday
to examine the death of an Ambridge Junior High student.

Justin Zankel, 12, of Baden, was struck by a car while crossing a street to
his bus stop early on the morning of Jan. 27. He died the next day at
Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh.

Police said Marine recruiter William Dreyer, 27, was driving the vehicle,
which had a government license plate.

Zankel was rushing across the intersection to avoid an oncoming van when
Dreyer's car struck him from the opposite direction, police said.

After hearing evidence at the inquest, a coroner's jury felt that the death
was an accident and recommended no criminal charges.

The final decision on whether to prosecute rests with the district attorney.

-------------

So to put it simply, it was investigated and found to be an accident, just
as it would have been had a 'regular citizen motorist' been driving.

Perhaps if you read the articles you link to before you post, rather than
just race off into an ideological rant, you wouldn't look like such a fool?


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Slick 10 April 2005 10:01:14 permanent link ]
 But I thought if you had an "accident" while speeding you would still get a
manslaughter charge.
"L'acrobat" <husky.65@delete_me­.bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:2S26e.6026$5F3­.3538@news-server.bi­gpond.net.au...>
"Shock N Awesome" <bloodyboot@neocon.­fascist.gov> wrote in message> news:tbcg51h06r4b02­2jtq342t2k73g103urqv­@4ax.com...> > Now, let me see if I've got this straight.> >
As a regular citizen motorist, if I get caught> > speeding I'll be required to pay a ticket. If> > I get caught speeding over a pedestrian to> > cause a fatality, I'll face additional costly> > citations and jail time.> >
As a government employee behind the wheel,> > I'm cleared to make street pizza out of anyone> > in my way by ignoring speed limits. No penalty> > whatsoever will be imposed on me for breaking> > traffic laws to kill with my government vehicle.>
A coroner's inquest, highly unusual for Beaver County, was held Wednesday> to examine the death of an Ambridge Junior High student.>
Justin Zankel, 12, of Baden, was struck by a car while crossing a street
his bus stop early on the morning of Jan. 27. He died the next day at> Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh.>
Police said Marine recruiter William Dreyer, 27, was driving the vehicle,> which had a government license plate.>
Zankel was rushing across the intersection to avoid an oncoming van when> Dreyer's car struck him from the opposite direction, police said.>
After hearing evidence at the inquest, a coroner's jury felt that the
death> was an accident and recommended no criminal charges.>
The final decision on whether to prosecute rests with the district
attorney.>
------------->
So to put it simply, it was investigated and found to be an accident, just> as it would have been had a 'regular citizen motorist' been driving.>
Perhaps if you read the articles you link to before you post, rather than> just race off into an ideological rant, you wouldn't look like such a
fool?>



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Shawn Hearn 10 April 2005 12:53:48 permanent link ]
 In article <4258c08a$1_2@127.0­.0.1>, "Slick" <Slick1@techie.com>­ wrote:
But I thought if you had an "accident" while speeding you would still get a> manslaughter charge.

Evidently, you thought wrong.
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Keith W 10 April 2005 15:07:03 permanent link ]
 
"Slick" <Slick1@techie.com>­ wrote in message news:4258c08a$1_2@1­27.0.0.1...> But I thought if you had an "accident" while speeding you would still get > a> manslaughter charge.

Only if the coroners court finds grounds for further investigation and
the prosecuting authorities fell that they have a winnable case.

Bottom line is if someone runs out in front of you there's
not much you can do about it. Now excessive speed
MIGHT be cause for prosecution but only if it can be demonstrated
that you could have avoided hitting the victim had you been traveling
more slowly.

I imagine the driver feels terrible anyway. I once had a case
where someone opened up a shop doorway and a 5 years old child ran
straight into the road in front of me. Fortunately I had just pulled
away from a red light and was moving at only 10mph or so.
I just to say hit the kid but she was only bruised.

I couldnt stop shaking for an hour though and had to leave the
car and calm down before I could drive it again.


Keith


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Claim Guy 10 April 2005 17:10:04 permanent link ]
 
"Slick" <Slick1@techie.com>­ wrote in message news:4258c08a$1_2@1­27.0.0.1...> But I thought if you had an "accident" while speeding you would still get
manslaughter charge.


That's a very misplaced assumption.

If you search for a few more articles on the incident, you will see that the
cop testified that he did not think travelling at the speed limit would have
prevented the accident, and that some of the other kids walking with the
victim saw the approaching car and yelled out warnings that were ignored.




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Blueskies 10 April 2005 17:40:45 permanent link ]
 
"Claim Guy" <porthos_jbNOSPAM@y­ahoo.com> wrote in message news:AMGdnY9oKoEouM­TfRVn-sw@rogers.com.­..>
"Slick" <Slick1@techie.com>­ wrote in message news:4258c08a$1_2@1­27.0.0.1...>> But I thought if you had an "accident" while speeding you would still get> a>> manslaughter charge.>
That's a very misplaced assumption.>
If you search for a few more articles on the incident, you will see that the> cop testified that he did not think travelling at the speed limit would have> prevented the accident, and that some of the other kids walking with the> victim saw the approaching car and yelled out warnings that were ignored.>

I see a quote that says the car was going 53 in a 35 speed limit zone - I suppose that timing had nothing to do with it.
How about this: The kid saw the car coming, assumed (bad thing!) that it was going at the 35 limit, and bolted. If the
car was going 35 then it would not have gotten there when the kid was there. Going at the illegal 53 mph caused the car
to arrive at the scene much sooner, thus killing the child.

Sad day...


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Jsmith 10 April 2005 18:59:07 permanent link ]
 In Ohio, if you are travelling 16 mph or more over the posted speed
limit, you can be charged with reckless operation in addition to speeding.

Blueskies wrote:> I see a quote that says the car was going 53 in a 35 speed limit zone - I suppose that timing had nothing to do with it. > How about this: The kid saw the car coming, assumed (bad thing!) that it was going at the 35 limit, and bolted. If the > car was going 35 then it would not have gotten there when the kid was there. Going at the illegal 53 mph caused the car > to arrive at the scene much sooner, thus killing the child.

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TaxSrv 10 April 2005 20:07:27 permanent link ]
 "jsmith" wrote:> In Ohio, if you are travelling 16 mph or more over the posted speed> limit, you can be charged with reckless operation in addition to
speeding.>

What section of the Ohio Revised Code says that? I came up dry on the
Anderson's web site.

Fred F.

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Grumman-581 10 April 2005 20:15:05 permanent link ]
 "TaxSrv" <n3_eu@comcast.net>­ wrote in message
news:m-idnUdq-ui-1s­TfRVn-pQ@comcast.com­...> "jsmith" wrote:> > In Ohio, if you are travelling 16 mph or more over the posted speed> > limit, you can be charged with reckless operation in addition to> speeding.> >
What section of the Ohio Revised Code says that? I came up dry on the> Anderson's web site.

Hell, In Texas, I've had a ticket for 154 in a 55 and all they did was write
me a ticket... Worked out to be $200 + court costs... About $234, IIRC... I
think he either clocked me while I was still winding up or when I was
slowing down for a curve...


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Jsmith 10 April 2005 20:15:06 permanent link ]
 I couldn't tell you.
That's what a cop told me as he was writing a ticket for me doing 51 in
a 35 zone.

TaxSrv wrote:> "jsmith" wrote:>
In Ohio, if you are travelling 16 mph or more over the posted speed>>limit, you can be charged with reckless operation in addition to>
speeding.>
What section of the Ohio Revised Code says that? I came up dry on the> Anderson's web site.>
Fred F.>

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Claim Guy 11 April 2005 05:51:33 permanent link ]
 
"Blueskies" <nospamedblueskies@­ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:x1a6e.29$bc2.1­0@newssvr17.news.pro­digy.com...
I see a quote that says the car was going 53 in a 35 speed limit zone - I
suppose that timing had nothing to do with it.> How about this: The kid saw the car coming, assumed (bad thing!) that it
was going at the 35 limit, and bolted. If the> car was going 35 then it would not have gotten there when the kid was
there. Going at the illegal 53 mph caused the car> to arrive at the scene much sooner, thus killing the child.

If he saw it coming, he made an incorrect assessment of it's speed - the
other kids made the correct determination and tried to warn him.

Your theory sounds like someone who makes a left turn in front of oncoming
traffic, resulting in a collision, and then claims the other car was
speeding as it approached the intersection. Well, if you knew it was
speeding, why did you turn in front of it?

Nothing in the articles says he won;t get charged with another, lesser
offence. The prosecutor is not bound by the jury's finding, and could even
lay the originally contemplated charge. it seems clear the guy should get a
speeding conviction, at least, on the evidence.

Who here hasn't gone 10 miles over the limit in a school, or playground
zone? And on those times when you did, if a kid popped out from behind a
parked car and you had no chance to stop, even if travelling at the posted
speed, would you expect to be charged and convicted of vehicular homicide,
or whatever, based on the speed factor alone?



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Dave Stadt 11 April 2005 07:43:39 permanent link ]
 
"Claim Guy" <porthos_jbNOSPAM@y­ahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hYKdnbwYGNvZRc­TfRVn-rw@rogers.com.­..>
"Blueskies" <nospamedblueskies@­ameritech.net> wrote in message> news:x1a6e.29$bc2.1­0@newssvr17.news.pro­digy.com...>
I see a quote that says the car was going 53 in a 35 speed limit zone -
suppose that timing had nothing to do with it.> > How about this: The kid saw the car coming, assumed (bad thing!) that it> was going at the 35 limit, and bolted. If the> > car was going 35 then it would not have gotten there when the kid was> there. Going at the illegal 53 mph caused the car> > to arrive at the scene much sooner, thus killing the child.>
If he saw it coming, he made an incorrect assessment of it's speed - the> other kids made the correct determination and tried to warn him.>
Your theory sounds like someone who makes a left turn in front of oncoming> traffic, resulting in a collision, and then claims the other car was> speeding as it approached the intersection. Well, if you knew it was> speeding, why did you turn in front of it?>
Nothing in the articles says he won;t get charged with another, lesser> offence. The prosecutor is not bound by the jury's finding, and could even> lay the originally contemplated charge. it seems clear the guy should get
speeding conviction, at least, on the evidence.>
Who here hasn't gone 10 miles over the limit in a school, or playground> zone? And on those times when you did, if a kid popped out from behind a> parked car and you had no chance to stop, even if travelling at the posted> speed, would you expect to be charged and convicted of vehicular homicide,> or whatever, based on the speed factor alone?

Suspect a civil suit will be filed and if he was doing 53 in a 35 it
certainly won't help his defense.


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Claim Guy 11 April 2005 16:36:18 permanent link ]
 
"Dave Stadt" <dhstadt@ameritech.­net> wrote in message
news:Lnm6e.490$nK5.­256@newssvr33.news.p­rodigy.com...
Suspect a civil suit will be filed and if he was doing 53 in a 35 it> certainly won't help his defense.

There's always a civil suit.

And I agree that the speed will almost certainly mean there is some
liability. However, that does not automatically equate to criminal conduct.





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Big Bill 11 April 2005 18:06:00 permanent link ]
 On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 03:43:39 GMT, "Dave Stadt" <dhstadt@ameritech.­net>
wrote:
Suspect a civil suit will be filed and if he was doing 53 in a 35 it>certainly won't help his defense.

I read the original URL, and the two links from it, and didn't see how
a speed of 53 was determined.
Anyone know how 53 was determined?

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