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Armor All bad- urban myth or true?
Magnulus 8 April 2005 02:45:49
	My mom got back from the Ford dealer and the mechanic there chastized my mom for using Armor All on the inside of her truck. Now, I'm the one that washes, vacuums, and cleans the truck, so it makes me wonder. I've always used Armor All (low shine if I can find it), and never had any problems with it. I've used it on just about anything rubber or plastic. I have a PC racing wheel (Logitech Momo) that's about 3 years old that I've used Armor All on once a month, and it has stood up to some heavy use. We've been using Armor All on the truck for the last two years or so without problems. But the mechanic says that Armor All will cause the dashboard under summer heat to bubble and crack. It sounds like complete BS to me. He says Armor All was designed for old vinyl dashboards, not the newer dashboards. Again, just sounds like BS. If Armor All were so bad, you'ld expect by now for the truck to show some signs of damage on the dashboard, but as it is, it looks fine. Any thoughts? How can I reassure my mom that Armor All is OK... and the dashboard will definitely age and wear if nothing but water is used? Or is it Armor All that's complete garbage?
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Snow 8 April 2005 21:36:12 [ permanent link ]
	I have found that its one of those products that once you start to use it you have to keep on using it or the dash will slowly dry and crack. I use it on all my vehicles at least once a month, I fear what will happen if I stop. Snow... "Magnulus" <magnulus@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:oEi5e.34070$f%4.15232@bignews1.bellsouth.net...> My mom got back from the Ford dealer and the mechanic there chastized my> mom for using Armor All on the inside of her truck. Now, I'm the one> that washes, vacuums, and cleans the truck, so it makes me wonder. I've> always used Armor All (low shine if I can find it), and never had any> problems with it. I've used it on just about anything rubber or plastic.> I have a PC racing wheel (Logitech Momo) that's about 3 years old that > I've> used Armor All on once a month, and it has stood up to some heavy use.> We've been using Armor All on the truck for the last two years or so > without> problems. But the mechanic says that Armor All will cause the dashboard> under summer heat to bubble and crack. It sounds like complete BS to me.> He says Armor All was designed for old vinyl dashboards, not the newer> dashboards. Again, just sounds like BS. If Armor All were so bad, you'ld> expect by now for the truck to show some signs of damage on the dashboard,> but as it is, it looks fine.> Any thoughts? How can I reassure my mom that Armor All is OK... and the> dashboard will definitely age and wear if nothing but water is used? Or > is> it Armor All that's complete garbage?>
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Dave Stone 8 April 2005 22:06:18 [ permanent link ]
	"Magnulus" <magnulus@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:oEi5e.34070$f%4.15232@bignews1.bellsouth.net: My mom got back from the Ford dealer and the mechanic there> chastized my > mom for using Armor All on the inside of her truck. Now, I'm the> one that washes, vacuums, and cleans the truck, so it makes me wonder.> I've always used Armor All (low shine if I can find it), and never> had any problems with it. I've used it on just about anything rubber> or plastic. I have a PC racing wheel (Logitech Momo) that's about 3> years old that I've used Armor All on once a month, and it has stood> up to some heavy use. We've been using Armor All on the truck for the> last two years or so without problems. But the mechanic says that> Armor All will cause the dashboard under summer heat to bubble and> crack. It sounds like complete BS to me. He says Armor All was> designed for old vinyl dashboards, not the newer dashboards. Again,> just sounds like BS. If Armor All were so bad, you'ld expect by now> for the truck to show some signs of damage on the dashboard, but as it> is, it looks fine. > Any thoughts? How can I reassure my mom that Armor All is OK... and> the > dashboard will definitely age and wear if nothing but water is used? > Or is it Armor All that's complete garbage?> Take a look at what usenet kooks have been debating for years: http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=armor+all+cracks&hl=&btnG= Let us know how it turns out.
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Magnulus 8 April 2005 22:49:15 [ permanent link ]
	"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:oiz5e.23724$Fy3.1567239@news20.bellglobal.com...> I have found that its one of those products that once you start to use it> you have to keep on using it or the dash will slowly dry and crack. I use> it on all my vehicles at least once a month, I fear what will happen if I> stop.> I've never seen this happen. Typically, I just apply Armor All once in the winter, and 2-3 times in the summer. The dashboard doesn't seem to crack if I stop using it- it doesn't seem to get "addicted". If you like that shiny look, of course you have to apply it more often. If all I have is regular shine, I use a damp cloth to wipe it down when I'm done. Car vinyl and plastic is going to age no matter what under certain conditions. It seems to me alot of badmouthing of Armor All is just the good ole post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. IE, people keep a car in the hot, baking sun with minimal window tinting, they use Armor All maybe once, and the dashboard cracks after a while... and they blame Armor All when they should be blaming the sun. I suspect with newer cars with built-in UV blocking on the windows, wear to the dashboard is going to be reduced anyways. As I said before, "Armor All cracking dashboards" ranks right up there with "Pledge is bad for furniture". Silicone on furniture is pretty harmless. I use it. It just makes refinishing harder. OTOH, its better at protecting against water and stains than many waxes. Wood doesn't breath really- the finish only penetrates a milimetere or so, which explains how polyeurethane finishes work so well. So there are alot of urban legends that are complete BS. I do know Armor All does a good job of protecting against ozone. I have some vulcanite and rubber things, and when I turn on an ozone generator to clean out a room, if the rubber/vulcanite doesn't have some Armor All on it, then it will oxidize somewhat (it takes a few days- the ozone generator is low power), necessitating some polishing.
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Ashton Crusher 10 April 2005 08:22:12 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:45:49 -0400, "Magnulus" <magnulus@bellsouth.net> wrote: My mom got back from the Ford dealer and the mechanic there chastized my>mom for using Armor All on the inside of her truck. Now, I'm the one>that washes, vacuums, and cleans the truck, so it makes me wonder. I've>always used Armor All (low shine if I can find it), and never had any>problems with it. I've used it on just about anything rubber or plastic.>I have a PC racing wheel (Logitech Momo) that's about 3 years old that I've>used Armor All on once a month, and it has stood up to some heavy use.>We've been using Armor All on the truck for the last two years or so without>problems. But the mechanic says that Armor All will cause the dashboard>under summer heat to bubble and crack. It sounds like complete BS to me.>He says Armor All was designed for old vinyl dashboards, not the newer>dashboards. Again, just sounds like BS. If Armor All were so bad, you'ld>expect by now for the truck to show some signs of damage on the dashboard,>but as it is, it looks fine.> Any thoughts? How can I reassure my mom that Armor All is OK... and the>dashboard will definitely age and wear if nothing but water is used? Or is>it Armor All that's complete garbage?> Here's an old post on the subject... From live@the-vanguard.com Sun May 14 12:28:21 2000 Path: news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!enews.sgi.com!korova.insync.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Andy Williams <live@the-vanguard.com> Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang Subject: Re: Armor All and your stang Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:28:21 -0400 Organization: Eschew Obfuscation Lines: 40 Message-ID: <cluths0vb8e09fljqilk8i7mpb7oih3cv8@4ax.com> References: <8fl6oe$puv$1@sshuraac-i-1.production.compuserve.com> <p18shssjgvr29u40it37eep36uk1lbb9ii@4ax.com> <8fmouu$q24$1@sshuraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com> Reply-To: live@the-vanguard.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 28C58FYDZ9bYdTiMrnVqvxExU0xPi0j+6Wk+vlPMWnE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 2000 19:27:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news.primenet.com rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang:327594 patrick wrote: I've been searching usenet since I initially posted and their is a>significant group of people who believe the product causes the>dash to become 'addicted' to it, and that it will dry and crack if>not used anymore. OK, if you want a detailed chemical explanation, here goes. Soft vinyl plastics (as opposed to things like PVC pipe) contain a large amount of plasticizers. The one that is almost universally used is dioctyl phthalate. It is a relatively high molecular weight, water insoluble, nontoxic compound. Over the course of time, the plasticizer will vaporize and leach out of the vinyl causing it to become stiff and brittle, which is when it cracks. ArmorAll is an emulsion of dibutyl phthalate in water. Dibutyl phthalate has a lower molecular weight than the dioctyl phthalate in the factory soft vinyl. While it will plump up and soften the plastic (good) the lower molecular weight means that it is more volatile and more water soluble. Therefore it will be lost more quickly to the environment via vaporization and leaching. A nasty side effect is that it will take the original plasticizer with it as it is lost. What this means to the end user is that if you start using ArmorAll you had better continue to do so, or your vinyl will degrade much faster than if you had done nothing. This has caused me to decide not to use it and instead maybe get>the maximum tint legally allowed on my windows to block UV rays>and get some of those folding cardboard thingys to put in the>windshield and rear window to block sunlight. Ordinary glass blocks UV anyway. Ever try to get a suntan through your windshield? Doesn't work. That is not to say that maximum tint is a bad idea. UV damage is not the only light-related way to destroy plastics. Your plan is a good one. -- Andy Williams - real address andywlms at ct2 dot nai dot net
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