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Colorado cracks down on LLBs
Bo Raxo 6 April 2005 12:46:00
	About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure, there are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws, how about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers (LLBs). Bo Raxo -- "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152435,00.html Colorado state police have so far issued over 450 citations to Left Lane Vigilantes, and hopefully it's only a matter of time before other states follow suit. According to The Associated Press, Master Trooper Ron Watkins said that since the ticketing campaign began three months ago, about 90 percent of the drivers he has pulled over for dawdling or cruising in the left lane said they didn't know that it was illegal to do so. Ninety percent! The Grrr! column applauds the work of Master Trooper Watkins and his fellow troopers as they keep the left lane safe for passing motorists. It's a passing lane, folks. It's not the Sunday Driver's lane. Move, or be ticketed.
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John David Galt 6 April 2005 14:29:14 [ permanent link ]
	Bo Raxo wrote:> About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure, there> are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws, how> about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers> (LLBs). Hear hear! Sounds like the CSP finally have grown some balls.
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Paul 6 April 2005 16:06:14 [ permanent link ]
	<alt.true-crime removed> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 08:46:00 GMT, Bo Raxo said the following in rec.autos.driving... About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure, there> are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws, how> about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers> (LLBs). I was listening to the Jim Bohannon show last night and one of the discussions was the CO law and LLB's in general. The overwhelming consesus among the callers was that LLB's are the scum of the earth and Bohannon even referred to the more militant LLB's (the ones who intentionally try to incite road rage - think weisner or judy) as utterly "worthless people." I have to agree with Bohannon's sentiment 100%.
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TargetBleigh 6 April 2005 17:22:27 [ permanent link ]
	why do they call them Vigilantes? "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...> About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure, > there> are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws, > how> about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers> (LLBs).> Bo Raxo> -- > "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152435,00.html> Colorado state police have so far issued over 450 citations to Left Lane> Vigilantes, and hopefully it's only a matter of time before other states> follow suit.> According to The Associated Press, Master Trooper Ron Watkins said that> since the ticketing campaign began three months ago, about 90 percent of > the> drivers he has pulled over for dawdling or cruising in the left lane said> they didn't know that it was illegal to do so.> Ninety percent!> The Grrr! column applauds the work of Master Trooper Watkins and his > fellow> troopers as they keep the left lane safe for passing motorists. It's a> passing lane, folks. It's not the Sunday Driver's lane. Move, or be> ticketed.>
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Scott en Aztln 6 April 2005 18:40:17 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:22:27 -0600, "TargetBleigh" <ddsd*sadf.com> wrote: why do they call them Vigilantes? Because they are blocking traffic on purpose to "slow down those evil speeders." -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Tiny Dancer 6 April 2005 19:42:38 [ permanent link ]
	"Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...> About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure, there> are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws, about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers> (LLBs).> Bo Raxo> -- > "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152435,00.html> Colorado state police have so far issued over 450 citations to Left Lane> Vigilantes, and hopefully it's only a matter of time before other states> follow suit.> According to The Associated Press, Master Trooper Ron Watkins said that> since the ticketing campaign began three months ago, about 90 percent of drivers he has pulled over for dawdling or cruising in the left lane said> they didn't know that it was illegal to do so.> Ninety percent!> The Grrr! column applauds the work of Master Trooper Watkins and his fellow> troopers as they keep the left lane safe for passing motorists. It's a> passing lane, folks. It's not the Sunday Driver's lane. Move, or be> ticketed. OKay, maybe I'm missing something here, but is it illegal to drive the speed limit in the left lane?
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Tiny Dancer 6 April 2005 19:50:35 [ permanent link ]
	"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1112802445.998163.74260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> tiny dancer wrote:> > "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in> message> > news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...> > > About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police.> Sure,> > there> > > are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic> laws,> > how> > > about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane> blockers> > > (LLBs).> > > Bo Raxo> > > --> > > "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." - Winston> Churchill> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152435,00.html> > > Colorado state police have so far issued over 450 citations to Left> Lane> > > Vigilantes, and hopefully it's only a matter of time before other> states> > > follow suit.> > > According to The Associated Press, Master Trooper Ron Watkins said> that> > > since the ticketing campaign began three months ago, about 90> percent of> > the> > > drivers he has pulled over for dawdling or cruising in the left> lane said> > > they didn't know that it was illegal to do so.> > > Ninety percent!> > > The Grrr! column applauds the work of Master Trooper Watkins and> his> > fellow> > > troopers as they keep the left lane safe for passing motorists.> It's a> > > passing lane, folks. It's not the Sunday Driver's lane. Move, or be> > > ticketed.> > OKay, maybe I'm missing something here, but is it illegal to drive> the speed> > limit in the left lane?> > If faster traffic is behind you and wishing to pass, yes.> nate If I'm already driving the speed limit, how can 'faster traffic' behind me be more 'legal' than my driving the speed limit? Legally speaking, there shouldn't be any faster traffic behind me. td
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Tiny Dancer 6 April 2005 20:17:00 [ permanent link ]
	"scooter34" <momofpeanutLiz@netscape.net> wrote in message news:1112803716.550307.216610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> tiny dancer wrote:> > "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message> > news:1112802445.998163.74260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> > > tiny dancer wrote:> > > > "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in> > > message> > > > news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...> > > > > About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police.> > > Sure,> > > > there> > > > > are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing> traffic> > > laws,> > > > how> > > > > about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane> > > blockers> > > > > (LLBs).> > > > > Bo Raxo> > > > > --> > > > > "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." -> Winston> > > Churchill> > > > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152435,00.html> > > > > Colorado state police have so far issued over 450 citations to> Left> > > Lane> > > > > Vigilantes, and hopefully it's only a matter of time before> other> > > states> > > > > follow suit.> > > > > According to The Associated Press, Master Trooper Ron Watkins> said> > > that> > > > > since the ticketing campaign began three months ago, about 90> > > percent of> > > > the> > > > > drivers he has pulled over for dawdling or cruising in the left> > > lane said> > > > > they didn't know that it was illegal to do so.> > > > > Ninety percent!> > > > > The Grrr! column applauds the work of Master Trooper Watkins> and> > > his> > > > fellow> > > > > troopers as they keep the left lane safe for passing motorists.> > > It's a> > > > > passing lane, folks. It's not the Sunday Driver's lane. Move,> or be> > > > > ticketed.> > > > OKay, maybe I'm missing something here, but is it illegal to> drive> > > the speed> > > > limit in the left lane?> > > > If faster traffic is behind you and wishing to pass, yes.> > > nate> > If I'm already driving the speed limit, how can 'faster traffic'> behind me> > be more 'legal' than my driving the speed limit? Legally speaking,> there> > shouldn't be any faster traffic behind me.> > What is illegal is driving in the left lane, called the passing lane.> If you are not ACTIVELY PASSING a vehicle on the right you are required> to move to the left lane. If random drivers stake out the left lane> and just drive in it, they are preventing people from moving over for> merging traffic, and also causing long lines of traffic blocking the> passing lane.> Speeders are the responsibility of law enforcement. Let them deal with> it. (Not to mention, it's tough to catch speeders when they are> protected by the train of cars in the wrong lane.) The roads are already totally congested with traffic, how can everyone drive in the right lane? I mean, often times when I'm driving, both or all three lanes are already all filled with traffic, if everyone was trying to get to the right lane, the line of traffic there would be miles long. I thought the number of lanes was to keep traffic flowing. I do recall learning the 'left lane' thingie years ago, but back then traffic wasn't anywhere near as heavy as it is now. Are we speaking about 'Interstate travel' only here?
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Michael Snyder 6 April 2005 20:29:45 [ permanent link ]
	"Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...> About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure, there> are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws, about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers> (LLBs). I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal to cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there is a commute lane). What exactly marks the distinction? If it's sometimes OK, and sometimes not-OK, and its not marked (I never saw a sign saying "entering no-cruising-in-the-left-lane zone"), just how are those LLBs supposed to know? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152435,00.html> Colorado state police have so far issued over 450 citations to Left Lane> Vigilantes, and hopefully it's only a matter of time before other states> follow suit.> According to The Associated Press, Master Trooper Ron Watkins said that> since the ticketing campaign began three months ago, about 90 percent of drivers he has pulled over for dawdling or cruising in the left lane said> they didn't know that it was illegal to do so.> Ninety percent!> The Grrr! column applauds the work of Master Trooper Watkins and his fellow> troopers as they keep the left lane safe for passing motorists. It's a> passing lane, folks. It's not the Sunday Driver's lane. Move, or be> ticketed.>
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Michael Snyder 6 April 2005 20:31:17 [ permanent link ]
	"tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:bxT4e.34658$wo1.24404@bignews6.bellsouth.net... If I'm already driving the speed limit, how can 'faster traffic' behind me> be more 'legal' than my driving the speed limit? Legally speaking, there> shouldn't be any faster traffic behind me. Your reasoning shows you to be -- a left lane vigilante.
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Javaluuver*~ 6 April 2005 20:57:12 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message news:Z7U4e.13541$m31.133973@typhoon.sonic.net...> "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message> news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>> About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure,> there>> are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws,> how>> about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers>> (LLBs).> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal to> cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there is a> commute lane). haha, when i've been up to my friends in the bay area, there's only one speed on the freeways there... CRAWL - hehe ... it's awful up there, but man do I have a great time when i'm up there! But we always account for the slow traffic no matter WHERE we're going! java ~ time to schedule a trip here soon, cuz I'm gonna go crazy at work! What exactly marks the distinction? If it's sometimes> OK, and sometimes not-OK, and its not marked (I never saw a sign> saying "entering no-cruising-in-the-left-lane zone"), just how are> those LLBs supposed to know?> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152435,00.html>> Colorado state police have so far issued over 450 citations to Left Lane>> Vigilantes, and hopefully it's only a matter of time before other states>> follow suit.>> According to The Associated Press, Master Trooper Ron Watkins said that>> since the ticketing campaign began three months ago, about 90 percent of> the>> drivers he has pulled over for dawdling or cruising in the left lane said>> they didn't know that it was illegal to do so.>> Ninety percent!>> The Grrr! column applauds the work of Master Trooper Watkins and his> fellow>> troopers as they keep the left lane safe for passing motorists. It's a>> passing lane, folks. It's not the Sunday Driver's lane. Move, or be>> ticketed.>>
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Tiny Dancer 6 April 2005 21:23:27 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message news:Z7U4e.13541$m31.133973@typhoon.sonic.net...> "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message> news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...> > About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure,> there> > are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws,> how> > about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers> > (LLBs).> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal to> cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there is a> commute lane). What exactly marks the distinction? If it's sometimes> OK, and sometimes not-OK, and its not marked (I never saw a sign> saying "entering no-cruising-in-the-left-lane zone"), just how are> those LLBs supposed to know? So in effect you are basically questioning the same thing I did, but making fun of me for it.
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Garth Almgren 6 April 2005 22:43:46 [ permanent link ]
	[Followup To RAD] Around 4/6/2005 9:29 AM, Michael Snyder wrote: "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message> news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...> About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure, there >>are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws, how >>about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers>>(LLBs). Hear, hear! I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal to> cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there is a> commute lane). (Assuming you're not being totally sarcastic...) Actually, it is illegal, even on bay-area freeways. California VC 21654(a) says: Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway. Shame that it's rarely enforced. What exactly marks the distinction? If it's sometimes> OK, and sometimes not-OK, and its not marked (I never saw a sign> saying "entering no-cruising-in-the-left-lane zone"), just how are> those LLBs supposed to know? One, it's state law and drivers are expected to know what's legal and what's not, and two, there should be "KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS" and/or "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" signs posted as a visible reminder. -- ~/Garth \|"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. Almgren \| I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. ******* \| And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
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223rem 7 April 2005 00:54:49 [ permanent link ]
	N8N wrote: If faster traffic is behind you and wishing to pass, yes.> nate> Nate, check the newsgroup this poster is replying from. It is hopeless trying to argue with Michael Jackson/Scott Petterson trial watching types.
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Dave Head 7 April 2005 01:13:27 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:50:35 -0400, "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote: "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message>news:1112802445.998163.74260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...>> tiny dancer wrote:>> > "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in>> message>> > news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>> > > About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police.>> Sure,>> > there>> > > are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic>> laws,>> > how>> > > about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane>> blockers>> > > (LLBs).>> > > Bo Raxo>> > > -->> > > "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." - Winston>> Churchill>> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152435,00.html>> > > Colorado state police have so far issued over 450 citations to Left>> Lane>> > > Vigilantes, and hopefully it's only a matter of time before other>> states>> > > follow suit.>> > > According to The Associated Press, Master Trooper Ron Watkins said>> that>> > > since the ticketing campaign began three months ago, about 90>> percent of>> > the>> > > drivers he has pulled over for dawdling or cruising in the left>> lane said>> > > they didn't know that it was illegal to do so.>> > > Ninety percent!>> > > The Grrr! column applauds the work of Master Trooper Watkins and>> his>> > fellow>> > > troopers as they keep the left lane safe for passing motorists.>> It's a>> > > passing lane, folks. It's not the Sunday Driver's lane. Move, or be>> > > ticketed.>> > OKay, maybe I'm missing something here, but is it illegal to drive>> the speed>> > limit in the left lane?>> > If faster traffic is behind you and wishing to pass, yes.>> nate> If I'm already driving the speed limit, how can 'faster traffic' behind me>be more 'legal' than my driving the speed limit? They're not. But still, they are faster traffic. Just like it is illegal to steal from a thief, it is illegal to block the way of a speeder. Legally speaking, there shouldn't be any faster traffic behind me. True, but if there is, you can't legally block 'em. Dave Head
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Dave Head 7 April 2005 01:15:23 [ permanent link ]
	On 6 Apr 2005 09:08:36 -0700, "scooter34" <momofpeanutLiz@netscape.net> wrote: If I'm already driving the speed limit, how can 'faster traffic'>behind me>> be more 'legal' than my driving the speed limit? Legally speaking,>there>> shouldn't be any faster traffic behind me.>> What is illegal is driving in the left lane, called the passing lane. OK. If you are not ACTIVELY PASSING a vehicle on the right you are required>to move to the left lane. Huh?
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Nate Nagel 7 April 2005 01:59:53 [ permanent link ]
	223rem wrote: N8N wrote:> If faster traffic is behind you and wishing to pass, yes.>> nate>> Nate, check the newsgroup this poster is replying from.> It is hopeless trying to argue with Michael Jackson/Scott> Petterson trial watching types. Hey, if someone asks a question in an apparently non-confrontational manner, I'll answer it. I'm not always a sarcastic a-hole, only when dealing with proven idiot/trolls like Weiser and Judy nate -- replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
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Tiny Dancer 7 April 2005 02:13:08 [ permanent link ]
	"Nate Nagel" <njnagel@flycast.net> wrote in message news:Zr6dna0sEbdHxsnfRVn-qA@comcast.com...> 223rem wrote:> N8N wrote:> > If faster traffic is behind you and wishing to pass, yes.> >> nate> >> Nate, check the newsgroup this poster is replying from.> > It is hopeless trying to argue with Michael Jackson/Scott> > Petterson trial watching types.> Hey, if someone asks a question in an apparently non-confrontational> manner, I'll answer it. I'm not always a sarcastic a-hole, only when> dealing with proven idiot/trolls like Weiser and Judy > nate And I appreciate your answers. We have those sarcastic a-holes on our group too. ;) td -- > replace "fly" with "com" to reply.> http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
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Javaluuver*~ 7 April 2005 02:13:40 [ permanent link ]
	"223rem" <223rem@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message news:t0Y4e.15687$ZB6.4291@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...> N8N wrote:> If faster traffic is behind you and wishing to pass, yes.>> nate>> Nate, check the newsgroup this poster is replying from.> It is hopeless trying to argue with Michael Jackson/Scott> Petterson trial watching types. why would it be hopeless? the people of atc are the types that usually look at both angles of a situation. i think you're just not up to the real debates of some real thinkers is all .. java ~ ... hmph!
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Theresa 7 April 2005 02:25:00 [ permanent link ]
	I'm glad to hear about the crackdown, but I also recently learned what is behind many of these sticklers for the speed limit blocking lanes. My experience occurred on a surface street, but it has happened a couple of times on the highway as well -- Illegal aliens so hell bent on not breaking the law and getting deported. They would rather risk the ire of the five cars stacked up behind them than to chance a ticket. I am afraid many here in California do not know the rule about pulling to the right if more than four cars are trailing behind you... So on the one hand you have many new law abiding pre-citizens, on the other, you have tons of steamed drivers stuck behind them...
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Bill 2 7 April 2005 02:33:29 [ permanent link ]
	"tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:FpT4e.34520$wo1.12628@bignews6.bellsouth.net... OKay, maybe I'm missing something here, but is it illegal to drive the > speed> limit in the left lane? If you aren't actively passing someone, or preparing to make a left turn, in most localities, yes it is illegal. Doesn't matter what speed you or other traffic is going. Just stay right unless passing or preparing to make a left turn. In the case of bumper to bumper traffic it doesn't really matter.
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Offshore Eddie 7 April 2005 03:27:47 [ permanent link ]
	"Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message news:3biov1F6k4q3rU1@individual.net...> [Followup To RAD]> Around 4/6/2005 9:29 AM, Michael Snyder wrote:> "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message> > news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...> > About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure, there> >>are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws, how> >>about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers> >>(LLBs).> Hear, hear!> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal to> > cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there is a> > commute lane).> (Assuming you're not being totally sarcastic...)> Actually, it is illegal, even on bay-area freeways.> California VC 21654(a) says:> Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle> proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed> of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be> driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as> practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, except when> overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same> direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection> or into a private road or driveway. That has nothing to do with the speed limit. Shame that it's rarely enforced.> What exactly marks the distinction? If it's sometimes> > OK, and sometimes not-OK, and its not marked (I never saw a sign> > saying "entering no-cruising-in-the-left-lane zone"), just how are> > those LLBs supposed to know?> One, it's state law and drivers are expected to know what's legal and> what's not, and two, there should be "KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS" and/or> "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT" signs posted as a visible reminder. There are also speed limit signs posted along highways. In 55 mph zones, the police tend to let it slide to 65-70 mph. But going 80 is a crime, unless it's being done simply to pass. The left lanes of highways and freeways are not places where you can go whatever speed you like. -- > ~/Garth \|"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.> Almgren \| I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.> ******* \| And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant."> (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
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Garth Almgren 7 April 2005 03:51:39 [ permanent link ]
	Around 4/6/2005 4:27 PM, Offshore Eddie wrote: "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message> news:3biov1F6k4q3rU1@individual.net...> Around 4/6/2005 9:29 AM, Michael Snyder wrote:>> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal to>>>cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there is a>>>commute lane).>> (Assuming you're not being totally sarcastic...)>>Actually, it is illegal, even on bay-area freeways.>> California VC 21654(a) says:>>Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle>>proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed>>of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be>>driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as>>practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, except when>>overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same>>direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection>>or into a private road or driveway.> That has nothing to do with the speed limit. Indeed, that's part of the point I was making: that speed limits have nothing to do with "slower traffic keep right." -- ~/Garth \|"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. Almgren \| I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. ******* \| And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
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Jim Yanik 7 April 2005 04:40:51 [ permanent link ]
	"Bill 2" <asdf@asdf.asdf> wrote in news:ZsZ4e.11127$Ln.492038@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca: "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:FpT4e.34520$wo1.12628@bignews6.bellsouth.net...> OKay, maybe I'm missing something here, but is it illegal to drive>> the speed>> limit in the left lane?> If you aren't actively passing someone, or preparing to make a left> turn, in most localities, yes it is illegal. Doesn't matter what speed> you or other traffic is going. Just stay right unless passing or> preparing to make a left turn. Or if you're blocking faster traffic,creating a pack of faster traffic waiting for you to get out of the way.The key is interfering with traffic FLOW. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
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Jim Yanik 7 April 2005 04:44:56 [ permanent link ]
	"tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in news:bxT4e.34658$wo1.24404@bignews6.bellsouth.net: "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message> news:1112802445.998163.74260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...>> tiny dancer wrote:>> > "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in>> message>> > news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>> > > About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police.>> Sure,>> > there>> > > are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic>> laws,>> > how>> > > about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane>> blockers>> > > (LLBs).>> > > Bo Raxo>> > > -->> > > "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." - Winston>> Churchill>> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152435,00.html>> > > Colorado state police have so far issued over 450 citations to>> > > Left >> Lane>> > > Vigilantes, and hopefully it's only a matter of time before other>> states>> > > follow suit.>> > > According to The Associated Press, Master Trooper Ron Watkins>> > > said >> that>> > > since the ticketing campaign began three months ago, about 90>> percent of>> > the>> > > drivers he has pulled over for dawdling or cruising in the left>> lane said>> > > they didn't know that it was illegal to do so.>> > > Ninety percent!>> > > The Grrr! column applauds the work of Master Trooper Watkins and>> his>> > fellow>> > > troopers as they keep the left lane safe for passing motorists.>> It's a>> > > passing lane, folks. It's not the Sunday Driver's lane. Move, or>> > > be ticketed.>> > OKay, maybe I'm missing something here, but is it illegal to drive>> the speed>> > limit in the left lane?>> > If faster traffic is behind you and wishing to pass, yes.>> nate> If I'm already driving the speed limit, how can 'faster traffic'> behind me be more 'legal' than my driving the speed limit? Legally> speaking, there shouldn't be any faster traffic behind me.> td The idea is that your blocking faster traffic in the passing lane by LLBing or sloth passing creates a greater hazard than "speeding"(which they know everybody is doing anyways) and contributes to road rage. The whole concept of Slower Traffic Keep Right(STKR) is to allow faster traffic to flow,it's one of the basic organizing rules of the road. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
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Jim Yanik 7 April 2005 04:47:06 [ permanent link ]
	"tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in news:yRU4e.25691$vK6.11809@bignews3.bellsouth.net: "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message> news9U4e.13543$m31.133925@typhoon.sonic.net...>> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message>> news:bxT4e.34658$wo1.24404@bignews6.bellsouth.net...>> If I'm already driving the speed limit, how can 'faster traffic'>> > behind > me>> > be more 'legal' than my driving the speed limit? Legally speaking,> there>> > shouldn't be any faster traffic behind me.>> Your reasoning shows you to be -- a left lane vigilante.> Nope, it shows me to be someone who doesn't care to get a speeding> ticket. Then all you have to do is keep in the right lane until faster traffic has passed and then you can pass at your own rate.Instead of piling up a bunch of cars behind you,and inciting road rage. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
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Jim Yanik 7 April 2005 04:51:34 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in news:Z7U4e.13541$m31.133973@typhoon.sonic.net: "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message> news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>> About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. >> Sure, > there>> are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic>> laws, > how>> about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane>> blockers (LLBs).> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal> to cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there> is a commute lane). What exactly marks the distinction? If it's> sometimes OK, and sometimes not-OK, and its not marked (I never saw a> sign saying "entering no-cruising-in-the-left-lane zone"), just how> are those LLBs supposed to know? Slower Traffic Keep Right(STKR) and Keep Right Except To Pass(KRETP)always applies on freeways,except when there are left-side exits or entrances(just common-sense),which always foul up traffic flow. Once traffic density reaches some point,all lanes must be used. You generally do not see this outside of urban areas,unless there's construction. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
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Scott en Aztln 7 April 2005 05:46:15 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:22:01 -0400, "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote: "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message>news9U4e.13543$m31.133925@typhoon.sonic.net...>> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message>> news:bxT4e.34658$wo1.24404@bignews6.bellsouth.net...>> If I'm already driving the speed limit, how can 'faster traffic' behind>me>> > be more 'legal' than my driving the speed limit? Legally speaking,>there>> > shouldn't be any faster traffic behind me.>> Your reasoning shows you to be -- a left lane vigilante.> Nope, it shows me to be someone who doesn't care to get a speeding ticket. If you want to avoid tickets, stay to the right. You can be ticketed for blocking the passing lane. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Scott en Aztln 7 April 2005 05:47:59 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:29:45 GMT, "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote: "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message>news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>> About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure,>there>> are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws,>how>> about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers>> (LLBs).> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal to>cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways How did you arrive at that conclusion? -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Tiny Dancer 7 April 2005 05:58:00 [ permanent link ]
	"Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message news:3bjb0bF6fm17eU1@individual.net...> Around 4/6/2005 4:27 PM, Offshore Eddie wrote:> "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message> > news:3biov1F6k4q3rU1@individual.net...> > Around 4/6/2005 9:29 AM, Michael Snyder wrote:> >> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there is a> >>>commute lane).> >> (Assuming you're not being totally sarcastic...)> >>Actually, it is illegal, even on bay-area freeways.> >> California VC 21654(a) says:> >>Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle> >>proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed> >>of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be> >>driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as> >>practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, except when> >>overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same> >>direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection> >>or into a private road or driveway.> > That has nothing to do with the speed limit.> Indeed, that's part of the point I was making: that speed limits have> nothing to do with "slower traffic keep right." Well now it's confusing again. Slower traffic to me means slower than the maximum speed limit. Since I'm not driving slower than the posted maximum speed limit, I'm not slower traffic. If I'm driving 55 in a 55 limit area, and somebody in the right lane is driving 40, they are 'slower traffic' and need to keep right. -- > ~/Garth \|"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.> Almgren \| I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.> ******* \| And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant."> (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
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223rem 7 April 2005 06:04:05 [ permanent link ]
	tiny dancer wrote: Well now it's confusing again. Slower traffic to me means slower than the> maximum speed limit. Since I'm not driving slower than the posted maximum> speed limit, I'm not slower traffic. Are you retarded? If I'm driving 55 in a 55 limit area,> and somebody in the right lane is driving 40, they are 'slower traffic' and> need to keep right. By all means, keep cruising in the left lane at the speed limit. Sooner or later you'll find out what road rage means.
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Nate Nagel 7 April 2005 06:14:13 [ permanent link ]
	tiny dancer wrote: "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message> news:3bjb0bF6fm17eU1@individual.net...> Around 4/6/2005 4:27 PM, Offshore Eddie wrote:>> "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message>>>news:3biov1F6k4q3rU1@individual.net...>>> Around 4/6/2005 9:29 AM, Michael Snyder wrote:>>>> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal> cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there is a>>>>>commute lane).>>>> (Assuming you're not being totally sarcastic...)>>>>Actually, it is illegal, even on bay-area freeways.>>>> California VC 21654(a) says:>>>>Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle>>>>proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed>>>>of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be>>>>driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as>>>>practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, except when>>>>overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same>>>>direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection>>>>or into a private road or driveway.>>> That has nothing to do with the speed limit.>> Indeed, that's part of the point I was making: that speed limits have>>nothing to do with "slower traffic keep right."> Well now it's confusing again. Slower traffic to me means slower than the> maximum speed limit. Since I'm not driving slower than the posted maximum> speed limit, I'm not slower traffic. If I'm driving 55 in a 55 limit area,> and somebody in the right lane is driving 40, they are 'slower traffic' and> need to keep right.> Yup, and if you are driving 55 and the other driver is going 70, you are slower. "Slower" is a relative term and has nothing to do with the speed limit, only the other drivers on the road. nate -- replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
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Tiny Dancer 7 April 2005 06:34:47 [ permanent link ]
	<Xeton2001IsAMoron.20.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message news:1112839512.863487.242150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> But even if you're driving 55mph in a 55mph limit area, and someone> approaches you from the rear doing 65mph, you are the slower traffic.> > Well I sure as hell hope that motorcycle cop I saw ticketing somebody yesterday morning is following right behind 'em. I hadn't seen a motorcycle cop in years, didn't even know they were still around. And I'm a good driver, I always flash my lights to warn others when I see the 'radar cop' nestled up a side street behind a tree. ;)
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Tiny Dancer 7 April 2005 06:36:20 [ permanent link ]
	"Nate Nagel" <njnagel@flycast.net> wrote in message news:TNqdnX3QL4roCsnfRVn-hg@comcast.com...> tiny dancer wrote:> "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message> > news:3bjb0bF6fm17eU1@individual.net...> > Around 4/6/2005 4:27 PM, Offshore Eddie wrote:> >> "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message> >>>news:3biov1F6k4q3rU1@individual.net...> >>> Around 4/6/2005 9:29 AM, Michael Snyder wrote:> >>>> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal> > cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there is commute lane).> >>>> (Assuming you're not being totally sarcastic...)> >>>>Actually, it is illegal, even on bay-area freeways.> >>>> California VC 21654(a) says:> >>>>Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle> >>>>proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed> >>>>of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be> >>>>driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as> >>>>practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, except when> >>>>overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same> >>>>direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection> >>>>or into a private road or driveway.> >>> That has nothing to do with the speed limit.> >> Indeed, that's part of the point I was making: that speed limits have> >>nothing to do with "slower traffic keep right."> > Well now it's confusing again. Slower traffic to me means slower than maximum speed limit. Since I'm not driving slower than the posted maximum> > speed limit, I'm not slower traffic. If I'm driving 55 in a 55 limit area,> > and somebody in the right lane is driving 40, they are 'slower traffic' need to keep right.> > Yup, and if you are driving 55 and the other driver is going 70, you are> slower. "Slower" is a relative term and has nothing to do with the> speed limit, only the other drivers on the road.> nate But if I'm driving the speed limit, why should I be stuck in the right lane behind some old geezer doing 40? td -- > replace "fly" with "com" to reply.> http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
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Anita 7 April 2005 06:41:22 [ permanent link ]
	"tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:8Z05e.33415$vK6.28092@bignews3.bellsouth.net...> <Xeton2001IsAMoron.20.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message> news:1112839512.863487.242150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>> But even if you're driving 55mph in a 55mph limit area, and someone>> approaches you from the rear doing 65mph, you are the slower traffic.>> >> Well I sure as hell hope that motorcycle cop I saw ticketing somebody> yesterday morning is following right behind 'em. I hadn't seen a > motorcycle> cop in years, didn't even know they were still around. And I'm a good> driver, I always flash my lights to warn others when I see the 'radar cop'> nestled up a side street behind a tree. ;)> You can get a ticket for that in Louisiana. Nita
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Theresa 7 April 2005 06:41:29 [ permanent link ]
	"Scott en AztlГЎn" wrote:> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:29:45 GMT, "Michael Snyder"> <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:> "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message> >news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...> >> About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure,> >there> >> are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws,> >how> >> about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers> >> (LLBs).> > I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal to> >cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways> How did you arrive at that conclusion?> --> Sloth Kills!> http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/ Cruising in the left lane is fine if you keep up or get out of the way when cars cruising faster come up behind you. If you are driving well, there is never another car to your right, and you just gently move over until they pass and return to the left lane where you happily cruise to avoid the merging traffic. It's not a big thing, at least not in Southern California. In other parts of the US, the left lane is used only for passing, but any driver paying attention will pick up on that quickly and do as the Romans. Again, it's not a big thing to move out of the way.
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Tiny Dancer 7 April 2005 06:47:45 [ permanent link ]
	"Anita" <aaddison@blahblah.cox.net> wrote in message news:h515e.286168$FM3.267443@fed1read02...> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message> news:8Z05e.33415$vK6.28092@bignews3.bellsouth.net...> > <Xeton2001IsAMoron.20.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message> > news:1112839512.863487.242150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> >> But even if you're driving 55mph in a 55mph limit area, and someone> >> approaches you from the rear doing 65mph, you are the slower traffic.> >> > >> Well I sure as hell hope that motorcycle cop I saw ticketing somebody> > yesterday morning is following right behind 'em. I hadn't seen a> > motorcycle> > cop in years, didn't even know they were still around. And I'm a good> > driver, I always flash my lights to warn others when I see the 'radar cop'> > nestled up a side street behind a tree. ;)> > You can get a ticket for that in Louisiana.> Nita I know you can, but I always wait until I'm around the bend, out of sight. I just can't bear to not warn oncoming traffic though. td
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Arif Khokar 7 April 2005 07:04:18 [ permanent link ]
	Offshore Eddie wrote: Yes, but it also says that driving too fast is illegal. Theoretically, simply> yielding to faster drivers means that everybody ends up in the righthand lanes> (doing 55) unless they're willing to do 120. Your "theory" is based on conjecture that can easily be disproven by a simple counter example. For example, if you are doing 80,> and somebody comes along doing 100, you would have to yield to them. Only if they can catch up to you at their current speed before you complete your pass.
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Scott en Aztln 7 April 2005 07:31:12 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:58:00 -0400, "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote: Well now it's confusing again. Slower traffic to me means slower than the>maximum speed limit. No wonder you're confused. "Slower" is a comparison between your car and the car that's attempting to pass you. If you're travelling slower than that car is, you need to keep to the right lane. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Scott en Aztln 7 April 2005 07:33:17 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:36:20 -0400, "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote: But if I'm driving the speed limit, why should I be stuck in the right lane>behind some old geezer doing 40? I think 223rem was right about you. You are by no means "stuck" behind some old geezer. Once faster traffic has passed you, you can then pass the traffic that is moving slower than you are. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Scott en Aztln 7 April 2005 07:36:34 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 02:41:29 GMT, theresa <emilyd1O@yoodoo.com> wrote: Cruising in the left lane is fine if you keep up or get out of the way>when cars cruising faster come up behind you. If you are driving well,>there is never another car to your right, and you just gently move over>until they pass and return to the left lane where you happily cruise to>avoid the merging traffic. If your state has signs that say "Keep Left Until Someone Faster Comes Along," by all means post a photo. All the signs I've seen say either "Keep Right Except to Pass" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right." Again, it's not a big thing to move out of the way. Nor is it a big thing to simply keep to the right in the first place. What's this bizarre love affair you have with the left lane? Why do you prefer driving there over driving in the right lane? -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Theresa 7 April 2005 07:41:16 [ permanent link ]
	"Scott en AztlГЎn" wrote:> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 02:41:29 GMT, theresa <emilyd1O@yoodoo.com> wrote:> Cruising in the left lane is fine if you keep up or get out of the way> >when cars cruising faster come up behind you. If you are driving well,> >there is never another car to your right, and you just gently move over> >until they pass and return to the left lane where you happily cruise to> >avoid the merging traffic.> If your state has signs that say "Keep Left Until Someone Faster Comes> Along," by all means post a photo. All the signs I've seen say either> "Keep Right Except to Pass" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right."> Again, it's not a big thing to move out of the way.> Nor is it a big thing to simply keep to the right in the first place.> What's this bizarre love affair you have with the left lane? Why do> you prefer driving there over driving in the right lane?> It's a Southern California thing -- or was, before all that immigration of "others." Remember the Eagles song "Life in The Fast Lane"? We used to go left to go fast... And we liked it...
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Scott en Aztln 7 April 2005 08:25:59 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 03:41:16 GMT, theresa <emilyd1O@yoodoo.com> wrote: What's this bizarre love affair you have with the left lane? Why do>> you prefer driving there over driving in the right lane?> It's a Southern California thing That's not an explanation. I live in SoCal, and I always KRETP. In fact, in many areas around here, the right lane has the LEAST traffic in it! -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Theresa 7 April 2005 08:28:31 [ permanent link ]
	"Scott en AztlГЎn" wrote:> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 03:41:16 GMT, theresa <emilyd1O@yoodoo.com> wrote:> What's this bizarre love affair you have with the left lane? Why do> >> you prefer driving there over driving in the right lane?> > It's a Southern California thing> That's not an explanation. I live in SoCal, and I always KRETP. In> fact, in many areas around here, the right lane has the LEAST traffic> in it!> Outlander
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Katatak 7 April 2005 09:04:36 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:36:20 -0400, tiny dancer graced us with the followingsnippage possible) ::> Yup, and if you are driving 55 and the other driver is going 70, you are ::> slower. "Slower" is a relative term and has nothing to do with the ::> speed limit, only the other drivers on the road. ::> ::> nate :: :: ::But if I'm driving the speed limit, why should I be stuck in the right lane ::behind some old geezer doing 40? :: ::td :: :: ::> :: Hey, I rarely go faster than posted. It steams from recvg. a ticket (in 1971) for going 38 in a 40 zone!! In the right hand lane, at 2am. The only cars on the road were mine and the cop! -- Mom =^,,^=
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Bo Raxo 7 April 2005 09:05:54 [ permanent link ]
	"Scott en Aztlбn" <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in message news:dga95196f2451jhohp63ggli6acsl5a2sq@4ax.com... What's this bizarre love affair you have with the left lane? Why do> you prefer driving there over driving in the right lane?> On many of the state and county roads in NorCal, there is a huge difference in the condition of the pavement between the left and right lanes. Maybe it's the semis, maybe it's snow chains, I don't know. But often the right lane's pavement will be very rough and roughly patched, the left lane much, much smoother. And particularly if you're on a motorcycle, the extra vibration due to the rougher pavement is fatiguing on longer trips.
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Tiny Dancer 7 April 2005 09:14:52 [ permanent link ]
	"Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message news:Sc35e.2274$yq6.1419@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...> "Scott en Aztlбn" <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in message> news:dga95196f2451jhohp63ggli6acsl5a2sq@4ax.com...> What's this bizarre love affair you have with the left lane? Why do> > you prefer driving there over driving in the right lane?> > On many of the state and county roads in NorCal, there is a huge difference> in the condition of the pavement between the left and right lanes. Maybe> it's the semis, maybe it's snow chains, I don't know. But often the right> lane's pavement will be very rough and roughly patched, the left lane much,> much smoother. And particularly if you're on a motorcycle, the extra> vibration due to the rougher pavement is fatiguing on longer trips.> You're exactly right on that, and I'm not even in NorCal. The right lanes have all these lumps and humps in 'em, especially where the sewer thingies are at the curbs. When dh was bringing me home from the hospital after surgery I nearly decked him. All the other times he drives in the left lane, but on that trip home, he's hangin to the right. Probably going slower for my sake, but every 50 ft. or so, we go over another hump in the road and my incision felt like it was going to rip right open. I smacked him and said 'move the hell over before my gut rips open.' It's also murder on the lower back, if you have any problems there. td
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Tiny Dancer 7 April 2005 09:16:29 [ permanent link ]
	"Katatak" <katatak@swissinfo.org> wrote in message news:MPG.1cbe5f3d7a1b562d989684@news.shared-secrets.com...> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:36:20 -0400, tiny dancer> graced us with the followingsnippage possible)> ::> Yup, and if you are driving 55 and the other driver is going 70, you ::> slower. "Slower" is a relative term and has nothing to do with the> ::> speed limit, only the other drivers on the road.> ::>> ::> nate> ::> ::> ::But if I'm driving the speed limit, why should I be stuck in the right lane> ::behind some old geezer doing 40?> ::> ::td> ::> ::> ::>> ::> Hey, I rarely go faster than posted. It steams from recvg. a ticket (in> 1971) for going 38 in a 40 zone!! In the right hand lane, at 2am. The only> cars on the road were mine and the cop!> -- > Mom =^,,^= Hi mom! Really, is that true? I'm just the opposite, tend to have a lead foot. I have to really watch the speedometer. td
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Bernard farquart 7 April 2005 09:34:59 [ permanent link ]
	"Scott en Aztlбn" <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in message news:dga95196f2451jhohp63ggli6acsl5a2sq@4ax.com...> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 02:41:29 GMT, theresa <emilyd1O@yoodoo.com> wrote:> Cruising in the left lane is fine if you keep up or get out of the way>>when cars cruising faster come up behind you. If you are driving well,>>there is never another car to your right, and you just gently move over>>until they pass and return to the left lane where you happily cruise to>>avoid the merging traffic.> If your state has signs that say "Keep Left Until Someone Faster Comes> Along," by all means post a photo. All the signs I've seen say either> "Keep Right Except to Pass" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right."> I don't know if this is a troll, but she is describing a wierd variant of "slower traffic keep right". If she is actually moving out of the way when a faster vehicle comes up, she is following the STKR, but not KREP. I would say no harm no foul, but the reality is probably that she stays in the left lane, because she is coming up on a car she is going to want to pass in 100 yards or so. Bernard
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Michael Snyder 7 April 2005 10:23:34 [ permanent link ]
	"tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:FbZ4e.28962$vK6.4134@bignews3.bellsouth.net...> Bite me. Man! Tiny's really maturing quite nicely, isn't she? And this one wasn't even directed at me...
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Michael Snyder 7 April 2005 10:25:15 [ permanent link ]
	"tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:OSU4e.25692$vK6.15064@bignews3.bellsouth.net...> "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message> news:Z7U4e.13541$m31.133973@typhoon.sonic.net...> > "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message> > news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...> > > About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure,> > there> > > are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws,> > how> > > about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers> > > (LLBs).> > I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there is a> > commute lane). What exactly marks the distinction? If it's sometimes> > OK, and sometimes not-OK, and its not marked (I never saw a sign> > saying "entering no-cruising-in-the-left-lane zone"), just how are> > those LLBs supposed to know?> So in effect you are basically questioning the same thing I did, but making> fun of me for it. Believe it or not, Tiny, I sometimes post without even thinking about you. I'm sorry, but you needed to be told...
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Arif Khokar 7 April 2005 10:54:22 [ permanent link ]
	Offshore Eddie wrote: That assumes that everyone who drives in the left lane is doing so only to pass,> and pass a single vehicle. I don't recall that being the case in reality. I do it frequently where I live. How long does it take to pass a single vehicle? Fifteen seconds, give or take? If visibility is a quarter mile, then that would mean that a car would have to be going 60 mph faster than you are in order to catch up to you prior to you completing your pass (assuming you could not have seen it before you started passing another vehicle). If visibility was only an eighth of a mile, then the vehicle will still have to go 30 mph faster to accomplish that. In reality, you're not going to find vehicles going that much faster than you that often assuming you're driving at the speed of traffic. That means that it's quite easy to accomplish a pass of 1, 2, or even 3 cars without slowing down faster traffic (going 10 or 15 mph faster than you, at the most) assuming you either wait till an opportunity presents itself, or speed up while passing.
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Scott en Aztln 7 April 2005 18:41:56 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 06:25:15 GMT, "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote: So in effect you are basically questioning the same thing I did, but making>> fun of me for it.> Believe it or not, Tiny, I sometimes post without even thinking about you.>I'm sorry, but you needed to be told... I was wondering who this tiny dancer guy was - I've never seen him here post before, and suddenly his posts are all over the place. Usually this is a strong indicator of a sockpuppet... -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Scott en Aztln 7 April 2005 18:43:12 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:04:36 -0700, Katatak <katatak@swissinfo.org> wrote: It steams from recvg. a ticket (in 1971) for going 38 in a 40 zone!! You actually got a ticket for Sloth? Wow!! -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Scott en Aztln 7 April 2005 18:47:27 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 01:14:52 -0400, "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote: What's this bizarre love affair you have with the left lane? Why do>> > you prefer driving there over driving in the right lane?>> On many of the state and county roads in NorCal, there is a huge dfference>> in the condition of the pavement between the left and right lanes. Maybe>> it's the semis, maybe it's snow chains, I don't know. But often the right>> lane's pavement will be very rough and roughly patched, the left lane much,>> much smoother. > You're exactly right on that, and I'm not even in NorCal. The right lanes>have all these lumps and humps in 'em, especially where the sewer thingies>are at the curbs. I might accept that, except it seems to me that many drivers ASSUME that the right lane is in poor condition but never actually bother to verify that assumption. If my Corvette can drive comfortably in the right lane, any vehicle can. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Scott en Aztln 7 April 2005 18:50:37 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 05:34:59 GMT, "Bernard farquart" <Bernardfarquart@deletehotmail.com> wrote: Cruising in the left lane is fine if you keep up or get out of the way>>>when cars cruising faster come up behind you. >> If your state has signs that say "Keep Left Until Someone Faster Comes>> Along," by all means post a photo. All the signs I've seen say either>> "Keep Right Except to Pass" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right."> I don't know if this is a troll, but she is describing a wierd>variant of "slower traffic keep right". If she is actually>moving out of the way when a faster vehicle comes up,>she is following the STKR, but not KREP. No, she's not. The 'K' in each of those acronyms stands for KEEP, but she's not KEEPING right at all - she's keeping LEFT except when she sees faster traffic approach. That's not the same at all; it's more like STMRT (Slower Traffic Move Right Temporarily). While what she does is better than LLBing, it's still not entirely correct. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Jim Yanik 7 April 2005 19:28:41 [ permanent link ]
	"tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in news:8Z05e.33416$vK6.24565@bignews3.bellsouth.net: "Nate Nagel" <njnagel@flycast.net> wrote in message> news:TNqdnX3QL4roCsnfRVn-hg@comcast.com...>> tiny dancer wrote:>> "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message>> > news:3bjb0bF6fm17eU1@individual.net...>> > Around 4/6/2005 4:27 PM, Offshore Eddie wrote:>> >> "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message>> >>>news:3biov1F6k4q3rU1@individual.net...>> >>> Around 4/6/2005 9:29 AM, Michael Snyder wrote:>> >>>> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not> illegal>> > cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not>> >>>>>there is > a>> >>>>>commute lane).>> >>>> (Assuming you're not being totally sarcastic...)>> >>>>Actually, it is illegal, even on bay-area freeways.>> >>>> California VC 21654(a) says:>> >>>>Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle>> >>>>proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed>> >>>>of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be>> >>>>driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as>> >>>>practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, except when>> >>>>overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same>> >>>>direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection>> >>>>or into a private road or driveway.>> >>> That has nothing to do with the speed limit.>> >> Indeed, that's part of the point I was making: that speed limits>> >>have nothing to do with "slower traffic keep right.">> > Well now it's confusing again. Slower traffic to me means slower>> > than > the>> > maximum speed limit. Since I'm not driving slower than the posted> maximum>> > speed limit, I'm not slower traffic. If I'm driving 55 in a 55>> > limit > area,>> > and somebody in the right lane is driving 40, they are 'slower>> > traffic' > and>> > need to keep right.>> > Yup, and if you are driving 55 and the other driver is going 70, you>> are slower. "Slower" is a relative term and has nothing to do with>> the speed limit, only the other drivers on the road.>> nate> But if I'm driving the speed limit, why should I be stuck in the right> lane behind some old geezer doing 40?> td You certainly are NOT "stuck",you just have to yield to faster traffic. THEN you can make your pass.The speed limit does not entitle you to LLB. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
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Bill 2 7 April 2005 21:00:44 [ permanent link ]
	"Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message news:G735e.2271$yq6.822@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...> "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message> news:Z7U4e.13541$m31.133973@typhoon.sonic.net...>> "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message>> news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>> > About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure,>> there>> > are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws,>> how>> > about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers>> > (LLBs).>> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal to>> cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there is a>> commute lane). What exactly marks the distinction? If it's sometimes>> OK, and sometimes not-OK, and its not marked (I never saw a sign>> saying "entering no-cruising-in-the-left-lane zone"), just how are>> those LLBs supposed to know?>> I believe it's when you have five or more cars stacked up behind you, > you're> supposed to move over. I was always told growing up that this was the > law,> but I've never actually checked the vehicle code for it (tough to know > what> to google on, and I don't have a hard copy). Here that's true on secondary highways with no passing lanes. IF you block 5 or more people, pull over and let them by. If there are 2 lanes in your direction, you can keep right while faster traffic goes past you, so it's succeeded by KRETP or STKR. You don't have a copy of your state's vehicle code bookmarked?
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Garth Almgren 7 April 2005 21:48:30 [ permanent link ]
	Around 4/6/2005 6:58 PM, tiny dancer wrote: "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message> news:3bjb0bF6fm17eU1@individual.net...> Around 4/6/2005 4:27 PM, Offshore Eddie wrote:>> "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message>>>news:3biov1F6k4q3rU1@individual.net...>>> California VC 21654(a) says: <snip>>>> That has nothing to do with the speed limit.>> Indeed, that's part of the point I was making: that speed limits have>>nothing to do with "slower traffic keep right."> Well now it's confusing again. Slower traffic to me means slower than the> maximum speed limit. No, slower traffic means slower traffic. Period. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the speed limit. -- ~/Garth \|"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. Almgren \| I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. ******* \| And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
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L Sternn 7 April 2005 23:35:21 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:41:56 -0700, Scott en AztlГЎn <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 06:25:15 GMT, "Michael Snyder"><msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:> So in effect you are basically questioning the same thing I did, but making>>> fun of me for it.>> Believe it or not, Tiny, I sometimes post without even thinking about you.>>I'm sorry, but you needed to be told...> I was wondering who this tiny dancer guy was - I've never seen him>here post before, and suddenly his posts are all over the place.>Usually this is a strong indicator of a sockpuppet... I've seen her around before, just not in rad. I don't recall seeing Michael Snyder in rad before either, but if memory serves me he's an asshat.
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L Sternn 7 April 2005 23:38:21 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:58:00 -0400, "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote: "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message>news:3bjb0bF6fm17eU1@individual.net...>> Around 4/6/2005 4:27 PM, Offshore Eddie wrote:>> "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message>> > news:3biov1F6k4q3rU1@individual.net...>> > Around 4/6/2005 9:29 AM, Michael Snyder wrote:>> >> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal>to>> >>>cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there is a>> >>>commute lane).>> >> (Assuming you're not being totally sarcastic...)>> >>Actually, it is illegal, even on bay-area freeways.>> >> California VC 21654(a) says:>> >>Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle>> >>proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed>> >>of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be>> >>driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as>> >>practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, except when>> >>overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same>> >>direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection>> >>or into a private road or driveway.>> > That has nothing to do with the speed limit.>> Indeed, that's part of the point I was making: that speed limits have>> nothing to do with "slower traffic keep right."> Well now it's confusing again. Slower traffic to me means slower than the>maximum speed limit. Why? left lane blocking has nothing to do with the speed limit. Since I'm not driving slower than the posted maximum>speed limit, I'm not slower traffic. You very well could be. If I'm driving 55 in a 55 limit area,>and somebody in the right lane is driving 40, they are 'slower traffic' and>need to keep right. True, but in a 55 zone, there will almost certainly be traffic going faster than 55. Their speed is not your responsibility. Your own adherence to the laws is your responsibility. -- >> ~/Garth \|"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.>> Almgren \| I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.>> ******* \| And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant.">> (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)>
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L Sternn 7 April 2005 23:39:19 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:34:47 -0400, "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote: <Xeton2001IsAMoron.20.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message>news:1112839512.863487.242150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>> But even if you're driving 55mph in a 55mph limit area, and someone>> approaches you from the rear doing 65mph, you are the slower traffic.>> >> Well I sure as hell hope that motorcycle cop I saw ticketing somebody>yesterday morning is following right behind 'em. I hadn't seen a motorcycle>cop in years, didn't even know they were still around. I see them all the time. And I'm a good>driver, I always flash my lights to warn others when I see the 'radar cop'>nestled up a side street behind a tree. ;)> That doesn't make you a good driver.
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L Sternn 7 April 2005 23:40:50 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:47:45 -0400, "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote: You can get a ticket for that in Louisiana.>> Nita> I know you can, but I always wait until I'm around the bend, out of sight.>I just can't bear to not warn oncoming traffic though. You've never hit the double-whammy speed-trap, have you? That's where you think you've passed the trap, but there's still another cop lurking a little further up the road that'll get you.
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L Sternn 7 April 2005 23:44:18 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:33:17 -0700, Scott en AztlГЎn <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote: On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:36:20 -0400, "tiny dancer"><tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote:> But if I'm driving the speed limit, why should I be stuck in the right lane>>behind some old geezer doing 40?> I think 223rem was right about you.> It could be that even when she's the going faster than everyone else that she's still "slower traffic".
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L Sternn 7 April 2005 23:45:10 [ permanent link ]
	On 7 Apr 2005 00:51:34 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote: "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in>news:Z7U4e.13541$m31.133973@typhoon.sonic.net: > "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message>> news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>> About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. >>> Sure, >> there>>> are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic>>> laws, >> how>>> about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane>>> blockers (LLBs).>> I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal>> to cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways (whether or not there>> is a commute lane). What exactly marks the distinction? If it's>> sometimes OK, and sometimes not-OK, and its not marked (I never saw a>> sign saying "entering no-cruising-in-the-left-lane zone"), just how>> are those LLBs supposed to know?> Slower Traffic Keep Right(STKR) and Keep Right Except To Pass(KRETP)always >applies on freeways,except when there are left-side exits or entrances(just >common-sense),which always foul up traffic flow.> Once traffic density reaches some point,all lanes must be used.>You generally do not see this outside of urban areas,unless there's >construction. Or it's a holiday.
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L Sternn 7 April 2005 23:46:33 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 02:41:29 GMT, theresa <emilyd1O@yoodoo.com> wrote: "Scott en AztlГЎn" wrote:>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:29:45 GMT, "Michael Snyder">> <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:>> "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message>> >news:clN4e.1353$lP1.292@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>> >> About time! Kudos to Ron Watkins and the Colorado state police. Sure,>> >there>> >> are bigger problems, but if they're going to be enforcing traffic laws,>> >how>> >> about looking at issues that create problems - like left lane blockers>> >> (LLBs).>> > I whole-heartedly agree -- yet I'm puzzled. Clearly it is not illegal to>> >cruise in the left lane on bay-area freeways>> How did you arrive at that conclusion?>> -->> Sloth Kills!>> http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/> Cruising in the left lane is fine if you keep up or get out of the way>when cars cruising faster come up behind you. If you are driving well,>there is never another car to your right, and you just gently move over>until they pass and return to the left lane where you happily cruise to>avoid the merging traffic. It's not a big thing, at least not in>Southern California. In other parts of the US, the left lane is used>only for passing, but any driver paying attention will pick up on that>quickly and do as the Romans.> The Roman Empire fell centuries ago. I don't recall it having anything to do with LLBs, but maybe it did. Again, it's not a big thing to move out of the way.
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L Sternn 7 April 2005 23:47:18 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 03:41:16 GMT, theresa <emilyd1O@yoodoo.com> wrote: "Scott en AztlГЎn" wrote:>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 02:41:29 GMT, theresa <emilyd1O@yoodoo.com> wrote:>> Cruising in the left lane is fine if you keep up or get out of the way>> >when cars cruising faster come up behind you. If you are driving well,>> >there is never another car to your right, and you just gently move over>> >until they pass and return to the left lane where you happily cruise to>> >avoid the merging traffic.>> If your state has signs that say "Keep Left Until Someone Faster Comes>> Along," by all means post a photo. All the signs I've seen say either>> "Keep Right Except to Pass" or "Slower Traffic Keep Right.">> Again, it's not a big thing to move out of the way.>> Nor is it a big thing to simply keep to the right in the first place.>> What's this bizarre love affair you have with the left lane? Why do>> you prefer driving there over driving in the right lane?>> It's a Southern California thing -- or was, before all that immigration>of "others." Remember the Eagles song "Life in The Fast Lane"? Yes, it's about drugs, just like Hotel California. We used>to go left to go fast... > And we liked it...
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Arif Khokar 7 April 2005 23:53:50 [ permanent link ]
	L Sternn wrote:> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:41:56 -0700, Scott en AztlГЎn> <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote: I was wondering who this tiny dancer guy was - I've never seen him>>here post before, and suddenly his posts are all over the place.>>Usually this is a strong indicator of a sockpuppet... I've seen her around before, just not in rad.> I don't recall seeing Michael Snyder in rad before either, but if> memory serves me he's an asshat. Are either of you aware of the fact that this thread is cross-posted to alt.true-crime?
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Michael Snyder 7 April 2005 23:56:57 [ permanent link ]
	"L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message news:bq2b5118rj3bs2sqmlnl1hjo5tpivatq2b@4ax.com... I don't recall seeing Michael Snyder in rad before either, but if> memory serves me he's an asshat. Well, that was pretty rude... ;-*
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Tiny Dancer 8 April 2005 01:05:48 [ permanent link ]
	"L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message news:bq2b5118rj3bs2sqmlnl1hjo5tpivatq2b@4ax.com...> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:41:56 -0700, Scott en Aztlбn> <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 06:25:15 GMT, "Michael Snyder"> ><msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:> > So in effect you are basically questioning the same thing I did, but making> >>> fun of me for it.> >> Believe it or not, Tiny, I sometimes post without even thinking about you.> >>I'm sorry, but you needed to be told...> > I was wondering who this tiny dancer guy was - I've never seen him> >here post before, and suddenly his posts are all over the place.> >Usually this is a strong indicator of a sockpuppet...> I've seen her around before, just not in rad.> I don't recall seeing Michael Snyder in rad before either, but if> memory serves me he's an asshat. You got that right. We are posting from true crime, someone crossposted this topic to alt.true-crime. td
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Tiny Dancer 8 April 2005 01:06:36 [ permanent link ]
	"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message news:dgg5e.13680$m31.134751@typhoon.sonic.net...> "L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message> news:bq2b5118rj3bs2sqmlnl1hjo5tpivatq2b@4ax.com...> I don't recall seeing Michael Snyder in rad before either, but if> > memory serves me he's an asshat.> Well, that was pretty rude... ;-* Your reputation appears to be well known mikey.
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Tiny Dancer 8 April 2005 01:07:34 [ permanent link ]
	"L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message news:c43b515jbc6u4r8dv9e12ee35ubtdumupl@4ax.com...> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:47:45 -0400, "tiny dancer"> <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote:> You can get a ticket for that in Louisiana.> >> Nita> > I know you can, but I always wait until I'm around the bend, out of sight.> >I just can't bear to not warn oncoming traffic though.> You've never hit the double-whammy speed-trap, have you?> That's where you think you've passed the trap, but there's still> another cop lurking a little further up the road that'll get you. Nope, I've been lucky. Around here the cops usually hang out in the same spots, especially around rush hour time. td
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Tiny Dancer 8 April 2005 01:09:57 [ permanent link ]
	<Xeton2001IsAMoron.20.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message news:1112904997.453766.145650@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> tiny dancer wrote:> > <Xeton2001IsAMoron.20.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message> > news:1112839512.863487.242150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> > > But even if you're driving 55mph in a 55mph limit area, and someone> > > approaches you from the rear doing 65mph, you are the slower> traffic.> > > > > > Well I sure as hell hope that motorcycle cop I saw ticketing somebody> > yesterday morning is following right behind 'em. I hadn't seen a> motorcycle> > cop in years, didn't even know they were still around. And I'm a> good> > driver, I always flash my lights to warn others when I see the 'radar> cop'> > nestled up a side street behind a tree. ;)> Lemmee guess; was the motorcycle copy driving a BMW? BMW "donated" a> few bikes to the Spartanburg City police department, and you'll see a> few of them in city limits. I haven't seen any HPers on bikes in the> state in some time, although a few years back while driving through> Georgia with a friend, he got pulled by a GHPer on a HD. I haven't got the faintest idea what kind of bike it was, and I'm in N.C. This was inside the city limits, so it was a city cop. As I said, I haven't seen a city cop on a bike in years, so I was surprised to see this one, lights flashing, writing a ticket.
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Jim Yanik 8 April 2005 03:48:19 [ permanent link ]
	Arif Khokar <akhokar1234@wvu.edu> wrote in news:idg5e.3095$hg.231@news01.roc.ny: L Sternn wrote:>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:41:56 -0700, Scott en Aztlбn>> <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:> I was wondering who this tiny dancer guy was - I've never seen him>>>here post before, and suddenly his posts are all over the place.>>>Usually this is a strong indicator of a sockpuppet...> I've seen her around before, just not in rad.>> I don't recall seeing Michael Snyder in rad before either, but if>> memory serves me he's an asshat.> Are either of you aware of the fact that this thread is cross-posted to > alt.true-crime? I've been deleting that NG from my posts. I try to stick to relevant NGs. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
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Jim Yanik 8 April 2005 03:51:27 [ permanent link ]
	L Sternn <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in news:rt2b51dl88glmv5jurcgf1eb26komq871i@4ax.com: On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:58:00 -0400, "tiny dancer"><tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote: Well now it's confusing again. Slower traffic to me means slower>>than the maximum speed limit.> Why? left lane blocking has nothing to do with the speed limit. Well,some people here believe that behavior improper BELOW the SL,is somehow permissible once the other guy exceeds the SL or any other arbitrary speed they have chosen(5over,10over,etc.). -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net
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L Sternn 8 April 2005 03:59:39 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:53:50 GMT, Arif Khokar <akhokar1234@wvu.edu> wrote: L Sternn wrote:>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:41:56 -0700, Scott en AztlГЎn>> <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote:> I was wondering who this tiny dancer guy was - I've never seen him>>>here post before, and suddenly his posts are all over the place.>>>Usually this is a strong indicator of a sockpuppet...> I've seen her around before, just not in rad.>> I don't recall seeing Michael Snyder in rad before either, but if>> memory serves me he's an asshat.> Are either of you aware of the fact that this thread is cross-posted to >alt.true-crime? Yes, but I thought that was obvious to everyone else. My point was simply that I was pretty sure that is not a sockpuppet.
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L Sternn 8 April 2005 04:00:36 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:56:57 GMT, "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote: "L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message >news:bq2b5118rj3bs2sqmlnl1hjo5tpivatq2b@4ax.com...> I don't recall seeing Michael Snyder in rad before either, but if>> memory serves me he's an asshat.> Well, that was pretty rude... ;-*> Well, maybe a little since I was going from memory. It's been a while since I'd run into you, but I googled you and my memory was dead on. Now I can say for certain that you are an asshat.
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L Sternn 8 April 2005 04:03:21 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:07:34 -0400, "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote: "L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message>news:c43b515jbc6u4r8dv9e12ee35ubtdumupl@4ax.com...>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:47:45 -0400, "tiny dancer">> <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote:>> You can get a ticket for that in Louisiana.>> >> Nita>> > I know you can, but I always wait until I'm around the bend, out of>sight.>> >I just can't bear to not warn oncoming traffic though.>> You've never hit the double-whammy speed-trap, have you?>> That's where you think you've passed the trap, but there's still>> another cop lurking a little further up the road that'll get you.> Nope, I've been lucky. Around here the cops usually hang out in the same>spots, especially around rush hour time.> That's how I learned about that tactic. I spotted the cop behind the McDonald's where he ALWAYS was at that time of nite and was doing 52 in a 35 and there was one lurking on a sidestreet. I thought I was doing about 45 though - I found out the speedometer wasn't right that nite too.
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Tiny Dancer 8 April 2005 05:16:56 [ permanent link ]
	"L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message news:fbib515gepqu88oflp8n0v4b3ih5qdanh1@4ax.com...> On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:56:57 GMT, "Michael Snyder"> <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:> "L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message> >news:bq2b5118rj3bs2sqmlnl1hjo5tpivatq2b@4ax.com...> > I don't recall seeing Michael Snyder in rad before either, but if> >> memory serves me he's an asshat.> > Well, that was pretty rude... ;-*> > Well, maybe a little since I was going from memory. It's been a> while since I'd run into you, but I googled you and my memory was dead> on.> Now I can say for certain that you are an asshat. ROTFLMAO Bingo
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Scott en Aztln 8 April 2005 07:01:49 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:53:50 GMT, Arif Khokar <akhokar1234@wvu.edu> wrote: Are either of you aware of the fact that this thread is cross-posted to >alt.true-crime? Of course. Which explains the sudden appearance of all these "new" nyms. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Scott en Aztln 8 April 2005 07:04:21 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:44:18 -0700, L Sternn <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote: But if I'm driving the speed limit, why should I be stuck in the right lane>>>behind some old geezer doing 40?>> I think 223rem was right about you.> It could be that even when she's the going faster than everyone else>that she's still "slower traffic". She definitely seems at least a little slow. Hopefully as she reads through the replies she'll come up to speed. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Bernard farquart 8 April 2005 11:06:34 [ permanent link ]
	"Scott en Aztlбn" <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in message news:f0ia51lec41slrkebk56acultgoka5rb10@4ax.com... .">> I don't know if this is a troll, but she is describing a wierd>>variant of "slower traffic keep right". If she is actually>>moving out of the way when a faster vehicle comes up,>>she is following the STKR, but not KREP.> No, she's not.> The 'K' in each of those acronyms stands for KEEP, but she's not> KEEPING right at all - she's keeping LEFT except when she sees faster> traffic approach. That's not the same at all; it's more like STMRT> (Slower Traffic Move Right Temporarily).> While what she does is better than LLBing, it's still not entirely> correct. I am not saying she is a good driver, but for the purposes of argument, she is "keeping right" when a faster car comes up, and she becomes slower traffic. if no other car is present, she is not "slower" I was just playing with semantics, not really defending her habits. Bernard
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Scott en Aztln 8 April 2005 18:00:17 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 07:06:34 GMT, "Bernard farquart" <Bernardfarquart@deletehotmail.com> wrote: I don't know if this is a troll, but she is describing a wierd>>>variant of "slower traffic keep right". If she is actually>>>moving out of the way when a faster vehicle comes up,>>>she is following the STKR, but not KREP.>> No, she's not.>> The 'K' in each of those acronyms stands for KEEP, but she's not>> KEEPING right at all - she's keeping LEFT except when she sees faster>> traffic approach. That's not the same at all; it's more like STMRT>> (Slower Traffic Move Right Temporarily).>> While what she does is better than LLBing, it's still not entirely>> correct.> I am not saying she is a good driver, but for the purposes of>argument, she is "keeping right" when a faster car comes up Seems more like she's "GETTING right" than "KEEPING right" to me. I was just playing with semantics Indeed. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Allen Seth Dunn 8 April 2005 19:26:56 [ permanent link ]
	"Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message news:3bla3cF6gs9g7U2@individual.net...> Around 4/6/2005 6:58 PM, tiny dancer wrote:> "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message>> news:3bjb0bF6fm17eU1@individual.net...>> Around 4/6/2005 4:27 PM, Offshore Eddie wrote:>>> "Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message>>>>news:3biov1F6k4q3rU1@individual.net...>>>> California VC 21654(a) says: <snip>>>>> That has nothing to do with the speed limit.>>> Indeed, that's part of the point I was making: that speed limits have>>>nothing to do with "slower traffic keep right.">> Well now it's confusing again. Slower traffic to me means slower than >> the>> maximum speed limit.> No, slower traffic means slower traffic. Period. It has nothing whatsoever > to do with the speed limit. Except in certain states where it is actually defined in the code as she thinks it is. -- > ~/Garth \|"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.> Almgren \| I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.> ******* \| And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant."> (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
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Scott en Aztln 9 April 2005 06:20:49 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:55:18 -0400, "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote: Last time I renewed my liscense, last year, it took me the WHOLE afternoon>as it was, without having to take the written test. Do you have any concept>of how long it would take one to simply renew their drivers liscenses if>everyone had to take the written test? That's a small price to pay if it weeds out even one incompetent driver. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Scott en Aztln 9 April 2005 06:23:26 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:47:43 -0700, N E One <anyone@anywhere.non> wrote: When I moved to Arizona, they gave me an eye test, took my money and>then gave me a license that doesn't expire for almost 30 years.> It didn't take very long to get it, but that's because I work close>enough to the DMV that I can tell when they're not busy. First of all, it's the MVD, not the DMV. Second of all, they post their waiting times on their web site, so it's easy for anyone to tell when they're not busy. Every morning though, there is a line waiting to get in (and it keeps>getting longer with each passing month). Sounds like the CA DMV. I don't understand why the line keeps getting longer when driver's>licenses are valid for 30 years and you can renew your plates online. More and more CA refugees fleeing high housing prices. -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Bo Raxo 9 April 2005 07:26:24 [ permanent link ]
	"tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:idh5e.44149$vK6.3411@bignews3.bellsouth.net...> You got that right. We are posting from true crime, someone crossposted> this topic to alt.true-crime.> Yeah, some troublemaker intentionally started this thread in both groups, knowing it would cause quite a clash between the little old ladies and the Vette set. Now who could possibly be so childish as to actually set such a commotion in motion, just to sit back and enjoy the result? Oh hell, I'm running out of popcorn! Bo Raxo
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Tiny Dancer 9 April 2005 07:29:58 [ permanent link ]
	"Scott en Aztlбn" <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in message news:osee51duist4euik9hvl6scjamcb9t1uuk@4ax.com...> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:55:18 -0400, "tiny dancer"> <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote:> Last time I renewed my liscense, last year, it took me the WHOLE afternoon> >as it was, without having to take the written test. Do you have any concept> >of how long it would take one to simply renew their drivers liscenses if> >everyone had to take the written test?> That's a small price to pay if it weeds out even one incompetent> driver. Oh BS, weed out the drunks. Those with numerous DUI's on their record. We're handing out liscenses to people who don't even speak the language, the main reason it took me all afternoon to simply renew my own liscense. td -- > Sloth Kills!> http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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Tiny Dancer 9 April 2005 07:34:15 [ permanent link ]
	"Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message news:AXH5e.2985$An2.765@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message> news:idh5e.44149$vK6.3411@bignews3.bellsouth.net...> > You got that right. We are posting from true crime, someone crossposted> > this topic to alt.true-crime.> > Yeah, some troublemaker intentionally started this thread in both groups,> knowing it would cause quite a clash between the little old ladies and the> Vette set.> Now who could possibly be so childish as to actually set such a commotion motion, just to sit back and enjoy the result?> Oh hell, I'm running out of popcorn!> Bo Raxo I'm guessin you were probably a bra strap snapper too. ;) td
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Bo Raxo 9 April 2005 07:35:29 [ permanent link ]
	"tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:UUH5e.40392$f%4.4091@bignews1.bellsouth.net...> Oh BS, weed out the drunks. Those with numerous DUI's on their record.> We're handing out liscenses to people who don't even speak the language, main reason it took me all afternoon to simply renew my own liscense.> You can't drive if you can't speak English? What a strange theory. About as strange as your theory that it took much longer to get your business done because someone ahead of you in line had to conduct their business in Spanish. It takes that much longer to fill out some forms in Spanish? And if they didn't have the forms in that language, well, that's a problem of your bureaucrats, not the Spanish speaker. I mean, you have agriculture, you're going to have Latino farm workers, duh!
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Tiny Dancer 9 April 2005 10:44:28 [ permanent link ]
	"Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message news:gCK5e.3264$lP1.265@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message> news:0mJ5e.41650$f%4.36599@bignews1.bellsouth.net...> > "Bo Raxo" <invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com> wrote in message> > news:cXI5e.3183$yq6.724@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...> > > "tiny dancer" <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote in message> > > news:sgI5e.40882$f%4.22152@bignews1.bellsouth.net...> > > > snipped>> Fast moving line at the DMV...oh, you are so cute when you're unbelievably> naive. Now that I've been told before. ;) Bo Raxo>
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Matthew Russotto 11 April 2005 20:22:39 [ permanent link ]
	In article <sgI5e.40882$f%4.22152@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, tiny dancer <tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote:> 30 years ago, in Florida. When he went to the local DMV here in N.C. to>renew his liscense they told him 'Sorry, Florida has pulled your liscense'>and took his liscense to drive here away. At which point he got back in his car and drove home, right? -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one.
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223rem 12 April 2005 01:02:27 [ permanent link ]
	tiny dancer wrote:> "Scott en Aztlе«•" <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in message> news:osee51duist4euik9hvl6scjamcb9t1uuk@4ax.com...> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:55:18 -0400, "tiny dancer">><tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote:>> Last time I renewed my liscense, last year, it took me the WHOLE> afternoon> as it was, without having to take the written test. Do you have any> concept> of how long it would take one to simply renew their drivers liscenses if>>>everyone had to take the written test?>> That's a small price to pay if it weeds out even one incompetent>>driver.> Oh BS, weed out the drunks. Those with numerous DUI's on their record.> We're handing out liscenses to people who don't even speak the language, the> main reason it took me all afternoon to simply renew my own liscense.> Look who's talking. Liscense?! LOL
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Tiny Dancer 12 April 2005 01:42:26 [ permanent link ]
	"223rem" <223rem@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message newsBB6e.16$HK6.3@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...> tiny dancer wrote:> > "Scott en Aztl?" <slothkills@NOyahooSPAM.com> wrote in message> > news:osee51duist4euik9hvl6scjamcb9t1uuk@4ax.com...> > On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:55:18 -0400, "tiny dancer"> >><tinydancer@nowhere.com> wrote:> >> Last time I renewed my liscense, last year, it took me the WHOLE> > afternoon> > as it was, without having to take the written test. Do you have any> > concept> > of how long it would take one to simply renew their drivers liscenses everyone had to take the written test?> >> That's a small price to pay if it weeds out even one incompetent> >>driver.> > Oh BS, weed out the drunks. Those with numerous DUI's on their record.> > We're handing out liscenses to people who don't even speak the language, main reason it took me all afternoon to simply renew my own liscense.> > Look who's talking. Liscense?! LOL ew, a spelling flamer on at-c. How novel, NOT. You'd never last around these parts.
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