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how did our oil get under their sand
Unisex 28 February 2005 18:35:54
	^^ another curious bumper sticker I saw. The way I see it, oil is a global resource. No nation, Arab especially, should be allowed to hog our oil.
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John A. Weeks III 28 February 2005 19:27:26 [ permanent link ]
	In article <2019172.oHaf7lV5Rk@cox.cox.net>, unisex <u@n.ix> wrote: ^^ another curious bumper sticker I saw. The way I see it, oil is a global> resource. No nation, Arab especially, should be allowed to hog our oil. Great. Lets start by setting an example, and giving away the iron ore that is is found in Minnesota, the uranium and coal we find out west, and all the corn and wheat that we grow in the heartland. After all, these are global resources, and the US should not be allowed to hog them all. -john- -- ====================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ======================================================================
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Rocketman 28 February 2005 19:37:45 [ permanent link ]
	"John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote in message news:john-BC8A20.09272628022005@news.mpls.visi.com...> In article <2019172.oHaf7lV5Rk@cox.cox.net>, unisex <u@n.ix> wrote:> ^^ another curious bumper sticker I saw. The way I see it, oil is a >> global>> resource. No nation, Arab especially, should be allowed to hog our oil.> Great. Lets start by setting an example, and giving away> the iron ore that is is found in Minnesota, the uranium> and coal we find out west, and all the corn and wheat> that we grow in the heartland. After all, these are> global resources, and the US should not be allowed to hog> them all. Let's also start pumping the fresh water in the Great Lakes to neighboring countries, and shipping it around the world! After all, fresh water is a global resource, right? Bush red staters are so generous. What a shining example they set for humanity. R
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Dr.Benway 28 February 2005 20:13:03 [ permanent link ]
	A lot of dead dinosaurs..
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Us 71 28 February 2005 23:11:31 [ permanent link ]
	"unisex" <u@n.ix> wrote in message news:2019172.oHaf7lV5Rk@cox.cox.net...> ^^ another curious bumper sticker I saw. The way I see it, oil is a global> resource. No nation, Arab especially, should be allowed to hog our oil. Can you say that without moving your lips?
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BananaRepublican 1 March 2005 01:54:23 [ permanent link ]
	In article <2019172.oHaf7lV5Rk@cox.cox.net>, unisex <u@n.ix> wrote: ^^ another curious bumper sticker I saw. The way I see it, oil is a global> resource. No nation, Arab especially, should be allowed to hog our oil. Wasn't it going to be call Operation Iraqi Liberation//? until someone said. Hey/ that spells O.I.L. <g. you can't fool all of the people , all of the time.
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BlackWater 1 March 2005 03:01:06 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:35:54 -0800, unisex <u@n.ix> wrote: ^^ another curious bumper sticker I saw. The way I see it, oil is a global>resource. No nation, Arab especially, should be allowed to hog our oil. The 1st-world technological nations are built on a foundation of petrochemicals. They've GOTTA HAVE IT. So, no matter how good the arguments about it being the arabs oil, utilitarian politics forces 1st-worlders to think and act as if it weren't. If push comes to shove they WILL find ways to TAKE the stuff - either by diplomacy, manipulating markets and governments, or even by overt force. All the moral arguments in the world won't make any difference, politics is amoral and deadly practical.
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Unisex 1 March 2005 06:39:48 [ permanent link ]
	John A. Weeks III wrote: In article <2019172.oHaf7lV5Rk@cox.cox.net>, unisex <u@n.ix> wrote:> ^^ another curious bumper sticker I saw. The way I see it, oil is a>> global resource. No nation, Arab especially, should be allowed to hog our>> oil.> Great. Lets start by setting an example, and giving away> the iron ore that is is found in Minnesota, the uranium> and coal we find out west, and all the corn and wheat> that we grow in the heartland. After all, these are> global resources, and the US should not be allowed to hog> them all.> -john-> If they think the uranium is theirs, they should come and get it then.
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Scott en Aztln 1 March 2005 07:28:37 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:35:54 -0800, unisex <u@n.ix> wrote: Usual Suspect... Universal Soldier... UniSex... What's your next nym going to be? Ugly and Stupid? -- Sloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/
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BlackWater 1 March 2005 07:38:58 [ permanent link ]
	"Furious George" <bugme_69@hotmail.com> wrote: BlackWater wrote:>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:35:54 -0800, unisex <u@n.ix> wrote:>> ^^ another curious bumper sticker I saw. The way I see it, oil is a>global>> >resource. No nation, Arab especially, should be allowed to hog our>oil.>> The 1st-world technological nations are built on a>> foundation of petrochemicals. They've GOTTA HAVE IT.>> So, no matter how good the arguments about it being>> the arabs oil, utilitarian politics forces 1st-worlders>> to think and act as if it weren't. If push comes to>> shove they WILL find ways to TAKE the stuff - either>> by diplomacy, manipulating markets and governments, or>> even by overt force. All the moral arguments in the>> world won't make any difference, politics is amoral>> and deadly practical.> It would be cheaper to buy the oil. Well ... yes and no. Remember that there are LOTS of profits to be made from wars, possibly exceeding those that could be gained by just buying and reselling oil. Halliburton comes to mind ...
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OG Loc 1 March 2005 21:09:07 [ permanent link ]
	TV's Scott en AztlГЎn wrote:> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:35:54 -0800, unisex <u@n.ix> wrote:> Usual Suspect...> Universal Soldier...> UniSex...> What's your next nym going to be? Ugly and Stupid? "Urinal Slurper" -- Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast - Meatwad I'd rather die than give you control - Trent Reznor
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Matthew Russotto 1 March 2005 22:29:59 [ permanent link ]
	In article <4223a139.41587429@news.east.earthlink.net>, BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:35:54 -0800, unisex <u@n.ix> wrote:> ^^ another curious bumper sticker I saw. The way I see it, oil is a global>>resource. No nation, Arab especially, should be allowed to hog our oil.> The 1st-world technological nations are built on a> foundation of petrochemicals. No, the foundation is _energy_. Petrochemicals are important, but not right at the foundation. Given enough energy, we could synthesize them. And while you write this as if it's some sort of indictment of first-world nations and their citizens, the only known alternative is a third-world lifestyle. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one.
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David W. Poole 1 March 2005 23:13:07 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:09:07 -0600, "OG Loc" <watNOSPAMuzi@yahoo.com> was understood to have stated the following: "Urinal Slurper" Sign seen over urinal: "Don't eat the big white mint."
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BlackWater 2 March 2005 18:01:50 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:29:59 -0600, russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) wrote: In article <4223a139.41587429@news.east.earthlink.net>,>BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:>>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:35:54 -0800, unisex <u@n.ix> wrote:>> ^^ another curious bumper sticker I saw. The way I see it, oil is a global>>>resource. No nation, Arab especially, should be allowed to hog our oil.>> The 1st-world technological nations are built on a>> foundation of petrochemicals.> No, the foundation is _energy_. Petrochemicals are important, but not>right at the foundation. Given enough energy, we could synthesize>them. You're partially right, but - 'Energy' may be abundant, but you're forgetting that the energy-conversion INFRASTRUCTURE we've invested in is almost entirely designed around petro/coal energy sources. That new SUV is gonna be on the road for 25 years or more and even if some gee-whiz fuel-cell technology arrives tomorrow that SUV isn't gonna be scrapped or converted. That nice new coal-fired power plant is gonna REMAIN a coal-fired power plant for 50+ years ... unless you plan to start selling "Nuke Steam-Generators on a Flatbed" they can just roll up and plug in. Zillions of new houses and industrial facilities come with oil/gas heating and cooling - units that aren't cheap. Are we gonna scrap 'em all ? In short, we're kinda STUCK with the world we've built, medium-term anyhow. I'll happily advocate the construction of "inherently safe" nuke plants (the 'pebble-bed' design is almost ready to rock) by the hundreds. Wouldn't even mind having one of those in my back yard. I'll happily advocate exploiting some of the less 'perfect' hydro resources too. Wind, photo, tidal, geo ... those are more iffy and may fail the bang-4-the-buck test. If we had truely abundant sources of electricity then yes, we COULD even synthesize hydrocarbon fuels for the older parts of the infrastructure and applications where they're largely indespensible (autos, trucks, aircraft). I'd advocate producing methanol from coal or biomass and water. A good motor fuel. And while you write this as if it's some sort of indictment of>first-world nations and their citizens, the only known alternative>is a third-world lifestyle. "We want our Social Security !" "We want our Medicare !" "We want our 'welfare' checks !" "We want our cheap medications !" "We want cheap food !" "We want cheap housing !" "We want free medical care !" "We want the roads fixed !" "We want cheaper cell-phones !" "We want faster cars !" "We want city water/sewerage/garbage-service !" "We want more govt programs !" "We want high-paying jobs !" "We want our MTV !" We hear this stuff CONSTANTLY - and LOUDLY - every damned day and the USA is a 1st-world country. Now you're suggesting that significant 'downsizing' would go over just fine ... ? Drop to a 2.5th-world nation and there would be vast riots, unrest and insurrection. Having tasted the best, we'd rather die - or more exactly KILL - than go back to mediocre crap once again. Forget it. Our energy consumption isn't gonna decrease. We want it to live, we NEED it to compete. It's not an indictment, it's just a fact. Nothing wrong with the 1st-world lifestyle - EVERYBODY wants it. But there's a price, and a trap ...
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Matthew Russotto 2 March 2005 22:54:08 [ permanent link ]
	In article <4225c0f3.6730137@news.east.earthlink.net>, BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:>On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:29:59 -0600, russotto@grace.speakeasy.net>(Matthew Russotto) wrote:> In article <4223a139.41587429@news.east.earthlink.net>,>>BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:>>>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:35:54 -0800, unisex <u@n.ix> wrote:>>> ^^ another curious bumper sticker I saw. The way I see it, oil is a global>>>>resource. No nation, Arab especially, should be allowed to hog our oil.>>> The 1st-world technological nations are built on a>>> foundation of petrochemicals.>> No, the foundation is _energy_. Petrochemicals are important, but not>>right at the foundation. Given enough energy, we could synthesize>>them.> You're partially right, but -> 'Energy' may be abundant, but you're forgetting that the> energy-conversion INFRASTRUCTURE we've invested in is > almost entirely designed around petro/coal energy sources. I'm not forgetting it. Energy -- usable energy -- is NOT abundant. That new SUV is gonna be on the road for 25 years or more> and even if some gee-whiz fuel-cell technology arrives> tomorrow that SUV isn't gonna be scrapped or converted.> That nice new coal-fired power plant is gonna REMAIN a> coal-fired power plant for 50+ years ... Coal isn't petrochemicals; you didn't mention coal in your original post. And while you write this as if it's some sort of indictment of>>first-world nations and their citizens, the only known alternative>>is a third-world lifestyle. [...] We hear this stuff CONSTANTLY - and LOUDLY - every> damned day and the USA is a 1st-world country.> Now you're suggesting that significant 'downsizing'> would go over just fine ... ? Drop to a 2.5th-world> nation and there would be vast riots, unrest and> insurrection. Having tasted the best, we'd rather> die - or more exactly KILL - than go back to mediocre> crap once again. No, I'm suggesting exactly the opposite. That your indictment of the first world for its hunger for energy is unjust and unfounded. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one.
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BlackWater 2 March 2005 23:37:28 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:54:08 -0600, russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) wrote: In article <4225c0f3.6730137@news.east.earthlink.net>,>BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:>>On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:29:59 -0600, russotto@grace.speakeasy.net>>(Matthew Russotto) wrote:>> In article <4223a139.41587429@news.east.earthlink.net>,>>>BlackWater <bw@barrk.net> wrote:>>>>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:35:54 -0800, unisex <u@n.ix> wrote:>>>> ^^ another curious bumper sticker I saw. The way I see it, oil is a global>>>>>resource. No nation, Arab especially, should be allowed to hog our oil.>>>> The 1st-world technological nations are built on a>>>> foundation of petrochemicals.>>> No, the foundation is _energy_. Petrochemicals are important, but not>>>right at the foundation. Given enough energy, we could synthesize>>>them.>> You're partially right, but ->> 'Energy' may be abundant, but you're forgetting that the>> energy-conversion INFRASTRUCTURE we've invested in is >> almost entirely designed around petro/coal energy sources.> I'm not forgetting it. Energy -- usable energy -- is NOT abundant. EASILY-usable energy isn't abundant. Not-so-easily-usable, there's plenty of that - but it costs too much or just dribbles out. That new SUV is gonna be on the road for 25 years or more>> and even if some gee-whiz fuel-cell technology arrives>> tomorrow that SUV isn't gonna be scrapped or converted.>> That nice new coal-fired power plant is gonna REMAIN a>> coal-fired power plant for 50+ years ...> Coal isn't petrochemicals; you didn't mention coal in your original post. Maybe I should have used the more 'PC' term - 'fossil fuels'. Anyhow, if you must, scratch out 'coal' and insert 'fuel-oil'. Same issues apply - building infrastructure is EXPENSIVE and we can't just throw it all away. And while you write this as if it's some sort of indictment of>>>first-world nations and their citizens, the only known alternative>>>is a third-world lifestyle.> [...]> We hear this stuff CONSTANTLY - and LOUDLY - every>> damned day and the USA is a 1st-world country.>> Now you're suggesting that significant 'downsizing'>> would go over just fine ... ? Drop to a 2.5th-world>> nation and there would be vast riots, unrest and>> insurrection. Having tasted the best, we'd rather>> die - or more exactly KILL - than go back to mediocre>> crap once again. > No, I'm suggesting exactly the opposite. That your indictment of the>first world for its hunger for energy is unjust and unfounded. Pardon me ... I mis-read your message. I thought it said that lower energy consumption wouldn't necessarily lead to a 3rd-world existence with all it's accompanying ills. That would have been a horribly naive waldenesque assertion. The good life COSTS ... it consumes a LOT of energy.
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Us 71 3 March 2005 00:07:01 [ permanent link ]
	"Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message news:VM-dnQbY2etNlrvfRVn-rA@speakeasy.net... No, I'm suggesting exactly the opposite. That your indictment of the> first world for its hunger for energy is unjust and unfounded. Is it? We have 3 percent of the world's population yet use 25-30 percent of the world's resources while people in Africa and other countries are forced to starve for lack of food or access to clean water.
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Rj 3 March 2005 08:41:25 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:07:01 GMT, "US 71" <us71@earthlink.net> wrote: "Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message >news:VM-dnQbY2etNlrvfRVn-rA@speakeasy.net...> No, I'm suggesting exactly the opposite. That your indictment of the>> first world for its hunger for energy is unjust and unfounded.> Is it? We have 3 percent of the world's population yet use 25-30 percent of >the world's resources while people in Africa and other countries are forced >to starve for lack of food or access to clean water. What is your plan for fixing the corrupt governments that keep their citizens poor? RJ
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Magnulus 3 March 2005 11:31:57 [ permanent link ]
	Per capita, the average American produces twice the CO2 of the average European, much of it from electricity and IC engines for cars/trucks. Americans are using more than their share of the worlds resources, and producing more pollution ,too.
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Guest 3 March 2005 14:20:10 [ permanent link ]
	<STANDING OVATION> Unisex, awesome post. Hilarious, pithy and economical Too subtle for most of the readership however. Good One! - Bruce PS Mind if I steal it ?
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The Real Diddy Pop 3 March 2005 15:03:53 [ permanent link ]
	The US is the biggest, most industrialized country, and it is overall a very eco-friendly country when compared to the amount of our industry. Look to China if you want a real villian of a country with respect to polluting the environment. Magnulus wrote:> Per capita, the average American produces twice the CO2 of the average> European, much of it from electricity and IC engines for cars/trucks.> Americans are using more than their share of the worlds resources, producing more pollution ,too.
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Daniel J. Stern 3 March 2005 19:19:51 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, US 71 wrote: your indictment of the first world for its hunger for energy is unjust> > and unfounded. Is it? We have 3 percent of the world's population yet use 25-30 percent> of the world's resources while people in Africa and other countries are> forced to starve for lack of food or access to clean water. You left out the percentage of the world's food (medicine, technology, etc.) produced by the first world. It's not as if all that energy just gets frivolously wasted.
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Matthew Russotto 3 March 2005 19:55:29 [ permanent link ]
	In article <F1pVd.3547$L17.734@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, US 71 <us71@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:> "Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message >news:VM-dnQbY2etNlrvfRVn-rA@speakeasy.net...> No, I'm suggesting exactly the opposite. That your indictment of the>> first world for its hunger for energy is unjust and unfounded.> Is it? We have 3 percent of the world's population yet use 25-30 percent of >the world's resources while people in Africa and other countries are forced >to starve for lack of food or access to clean water. There is no causal relationship between those situations. -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one.
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Matthew Russotto 3 March 2005 20:20:18 [ permanent link ]
	In article <l85d21t361cqh3qdkhv5u4q88i2u8u5b8u@4ax.com>, RJ <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote:>On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:07:01 GMT, "US 71" <us71@earthlink.net> wrote:> "Matthew Russotto" <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message >>news:VM-dnQbY2etNlrvfRVn-rA@speakeasy.net...>> No, I'm suggesting exactly the opposite. That your indictment of the>>> first world for its hunger for energy is unjust and unfounded.>> Is it? We have 3 percent of the world's population yet use 25-30 percent of >>the world's resources while people in Africa and other countries are forced >>to starve for lack of food or access to clean water.> What is your plan for fixing the corrupt governments that keep their>citizens poor? Precision strikes on government buildings in Philadelphia, Chicago, etc? Oh, you meant foreign governments... never mind -- There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one.
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Usenet Sociopath 4 March 2005 02:49:04 [ permanent link ]
	craigandrow@mail2me.com.au wrote: <STANDING OVATION>> Unisex, awesome post.> Hilarious, pithy and economical> Too subtle for most of the readership however.> Good One!> - Bruce> PS Mind if I steal it ? Isn't it more exciting when you don't have permission?
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