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CarGuru > Driving > Re: remote start 6 November 2005 17:44:37
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Re: remote start

James C. Reeves 21 February 2005 05:19:56
 
"dh" <hemm99@hotmail.com­> wrote in message
news:r15i11t43sbd1b­6hng9gkv8ld6m91tk64e­@4ax.com...> My daughter is mad at me because I will not install one of those $100> remote start after market options she bought at Circuit City on her 96> Grand Am. I am afraid that some night in the dead of winter a> connection will go bad leaving her stranded. There must be 20> connections that need to be made to the ignition, starter, door locks> and theft deterrent system. Anyone have experience with such a system?> Is my concern unwarranted?

Check your local laws. In some states it is illegal to have your car
sitting while idling when no one is in it.


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Peter D . Hipson 21 February 2005 18:01:18 [ permanent link ]
 many of these states recognize that remote starters are different, and
exempt them. However, I'd bet not all of them do, so check with the
local law enforcement people. They can tell you if there is a law, and
if it is enforced, and if enforced how and why... I suspect that if
you told them that it was an autostarter, and the cannot be moved
until the key is in the ignition, they will be happy with it.

But as James say, check to be sure.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:19:56 -0500, "James C. Reeves"
<jcnospam@nospam.co­m> wrote:
"dh" <hemm99@hotmail.com­> wrote in message
Check your local laws. In some states it is illegal to have your car >sitting while idling when no one is in it. >

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John Harlow 21 February 2005 21:44:14 [ permanent link ]
 
I know of several cases where people left their car running, and the> car was stolen, and the owner was totally liable for all the criminal> hurt, and the property damage he created.

Would not be possible with a car running via remote start. As soon as
someone entered the still locked car and tried to put it in gear, the engine
would quit. It's no more "stealable" than any other parked car. It might
be more tempting being nice and warm, though ;)


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Alex Rodriguez 21 February 2005 23:06:35 [ permanent link ]
 In article <8dmdnZgMEIjIYoTfRV­n-2g@comcast.com>, johnharlow@gmail.co­m says...
I would like to know how a cop would know or why a cop would even care if >someone's car is warming up in their driveway.

A car left with the keys in it running is an invitation to theft. Part of a
cops job is to prevent thefts. That is why he would be interested.
--------------
Alex

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James C. Reeves 22 February 2005 00:04:21 [ permanent link ]
 
"John Harlow" <johnharlow@gmail.c­om> wrote in message
news:RqqdnbOazrCI-o­TfRVn-sg@comcast.com­...>> {SNIP}>> Check your local laws. In some states it is illegal to have your car>> sitting while idling when no one is in it.>
Those would be rather silly laws. Some car models come from the factory > with remote start capability.>

The merit of the law is a separate subject (and I agree debatable). I was
merely informing the Op that those laws do exist in some states and that he
should be aware of them before installing such a device.


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C. E. White 22 February 2005 00:30:30 [ permanent link ]
 

"James C. Reeves" wrote:
Even the "cheap" Chevy Malibu has the remote start as standard equipment> beginning in the 2004 model year. So. you're a little late. There seems to> be a push in many areas to make them illegal, however. So, I guess we'll> see what time brings.

Actually the remote start is a $150 option on the base
models (and not even available on the very bottom line
model). The remote starter is standard on the LT models -
but then that is already about a $5000 adder. A $24,000
vehicle is not cheap (MSRP on the LT is over $24,500).

Ed
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Cartlon Shew 22 February 2005 01:05:48 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:01:18 -0500, Peter D. Hipson
<phipson@deletethis­word.darkstar.mv.com­> wrote:
many of these states recognize that remote starters are different, and>exempt them. However, I'd bet not all of them do, so check with the>local law enforcement people. They can tell you if there is a law, and>if it is enforced, and if enforced how and why... I suspect that if>you told them that it was an autostarter, and the cannot be moved>until the key is in the ignition, they will be happy with it. >

This may be an effective way of determining if it's illegal and if
they will hassle you - if you live in Mayberry and Andy's still
sherrif.

I wouldn't count on anything a cop told me regarding the law
But as James say, check to be sure.>
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:19:56 -0500, "James C. Reeves"><jcnospam@n­ospam.com> wrote:>
"dh" <hemm99@hotmail.com­> wrote in message >
Check your local laws. In some states it is illegal to have your car >>sitting while idling when no one is in it. >>

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Xeton2001IsAMoron 20 dwpj65 22 February 2005 02:15:55 [ permanent link ]
 You should try out reality sometime; it's an interesting concept.

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Old Wolf 22 February 2005 08:06:54 [ permanent link ]
 James C. Reeves wrote:>
Even the "cheap" Chevy Malibu has the remote start as standard
equipment> beginning in the 2004 model year. So. you're a little late. There
seems to> be a push in many areas to make them illegal, however. So, I guess
we'll> see what time brings.

I don't see why it should be illegal for a slush box. Manual
transmission is another story though, there was a case here where
someone left his car in gear while it was off, then remote-started
it and ran over a pregnant woman (luckily she survived without
serious injury).

I have such a setup and have never managed to leave it
in gear while turned off, but of course I can't vouch for
the lack of sensibility in the rest of the population.

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Arif Khokar 22 February 2005 18:17:47 [ permanent link ]
 Old Wolf wrote:
I have such a setup and have never managed to leave it> in gear while turned off, but of course I can't vouch for> the lack of sensibility in the rest of the population.

I'd rather have more than just the parking brake to hold the car in
place when it's parked.
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Joe 21 April 2005 02:35:24 [ permanent link ]
 My sister has a 1995 Pontiac Grand Prix.
If she uses the remote starter, the radiator fans quit working.
This has happened twice.
The first time she took it to the dealer and they charged her $195.00 to fix it.
It has happened again and she hasn't fixed it yet.
Any suggestions......I know.......don't use the remote.
--
JerryD(upstateNY)
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Paradox 21 April 2005 07:30:58 [ permanent link ]
 
As in it quits working even after she has had the key in and is driving normally?

I don't think one of the ACC wires is getting power, check the relays for the remote start.

"Joe" <joe@anywhere.rr.co­m> wrote in message news:MOA9e.4100$Bc7­.3165@twister.nyroc.­rr.com...
My sister has a 1995 Pontiac Grand Prix.
If she uses the remote starter, the radiator fans quit working.
This has happened twice.
The first time she took it to the dealer and they charged her $195.00 to fix it.
It has happened again and she hasn't fixed it yet.
Any suggestions......I know.......don't use the remote.
--
JerryD(upstateNY)
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Nospam Clare Nce 21 April 2005 07:52:19 [ permanent link ]
 On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:30:58 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@cox.net­>
wrote:
As in it quits working even after she has had the key in and is driving normally?>
I don't think one of the ACC wires is getting power, check the relays for the remote start.>
"Joe" <joe@anywhere.rr.co­m> wrote in message news:MOA9e.4100$Bc7­.3165@twister.nyroc.­rr.com...> My sister has a 1995 Pontiac Grand Prix.> If she uses the remote starter, the radiator fans quit working.> This has happened twice.> The first time she took it to the dealer and they charged her $195.00 to fix it.> It has happened again and she hasn't fixed it yet.> Any suggestions......I know.......don't use the remote.> -- > JerryD(upstateNY)
Any remote start I have installed or worked on provides power in
parallel with the ignition switch, so if the relay goes bad it just
doesn't work - and has no effect on operation with the ignition
switch. Now, if it has an immobilizer module installed, it's a
different story - the immobilizer relay can fail intermittently open.
Thing is, generally the immobilizer only opens the ignition circuit,
not the accessory or auxilliary power circuit, so it still does not
make sense.
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Joe 21 April 2005 18:54:11 [ permanent link ]
 As in it quits working even after she has had the key in and is driving
normally ?
*******************­********************­********************­****
Yes, it just stops working.
It must burn out something.
She is looking for the last repair slip so I can see exactly what they did
to fix it last time.
--
JerryD(upstateNY)



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Masterson 21 April 2005 21:41:49 [ permanent link ]
 Joe...

The remote start has nothing to do with the fan not working.

The remote start is not connected to the fan. When the car
remote starts, the 'remote start brain' activates relays that
energize the cars wiring at the key cylinder. Its the same
as you putting in your key and turning it, only remotely.

Stop blaming something you don't understand.
Take it back to the shop and have them replace the defective
part they installed.





As in it quits working even after she has had the key in and is driving > normally ?> *******************­********************­********************­****> Yes, it just stops working.> It must burn out something.> She is looking for the last repair slip so I can see exactly what they did > to fix it last time.> -- > JerryD(upstateNY)>


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Paradox 22 April 2005 07:57:30 [ permanent link ]
 
"Masterson" <adam@soundsolution­smd.com> wrote in message
news:t7SdnTB-pO5FeP­rfRVn-pg@comcast.com­...> Joe...>
The remote start has nothing to do with the fan not working.>
The remote start is not connected to the fan. When the car> remote starts, the 'remote start brain' activates relays that> energize the cars wiring at the key cylinder. Its the same> as you putting in your key and turning it, only remotely.>
Stop blaming something you don't understand.> Take it back to the shop and have them replace the defective> part they installed.>

They could have completely cut one of the ACC power wires, thats why I was
asking.


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Masterson 22 April 2005 13:01:40 [ permanent link ]
 If they had completely cut one of the ACC power wires, the
car would have multiple failures. One ACC wire has several
power accessories connected to it. Not just one fan motor.

They could have completely cut one of the ACC power wires,


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Nospam Clare Nce 26 April 2005 06:06:42 [ permanent link ]
 On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:01:40 -0400, "Masterson"
<adam@soundsolution­smd.com> wrote:
If they had completely cut one of the ACC power wires, the>car would have multiple failures. One ACC wire has several>power accessories connected to it. Not just one fan motor.>
They could have completely cut one of the ACC power wires, >
Some installers like to look smarter than they really are, and make a
complicated installation when a simple one is better. Some remote
start units have several extra relay control circuits, and these
"rocket scientists" think they have to use them. They'll put a N.O.
relay into a circuit that gets energized by the remote starter, as
well as by the ignition switch. This setup is SUPPOSED to be used as
an immobilizer -but try to tell that to some of these hotshots.
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Kevin 4 October 2005 04:10:55 [ permanent link ]
 I am thinking about putting a remote starter in my 2005 dakota, problem
is the one I got is aftermarket (from another vehicle...I took it off
and am reinstalling on this one). I can't decide if, to save the
warranty on the electrical system from being voided, I should buy a new
mopar branded one, or just wait and install this one after 3 yr/36000
miles. Has anyone used the mopar remote starter? From what I can tell
it does not include Keyless entry or alarm features which I also want
to add.

Any suggestions or advice about the Mopar starter or if I should wait
or not is appreciated. Thank you

Also, Has anyone had any really hard times with Dodge's electrical
systems?

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Kilmister 9 October 2005 04:42:28 [ permanent link ]
 i installed an after market one in my 1999 dakota, one year in, without any
problems.


"Kevin" <kevin.cooper1@veri­zon.net> wrote in message
news:1128388255.425­126.16970@f14g2000cw­b.googlegroups.com..­.> I am thinking about putting a remote starter in my 2005 dakota, problem> is the one I got is aftermarket (from another vehicle...I took it off> and am reinstalling on this one). I can't decide if, to save the> warranty on the electrical system from being voided, I should buy a new> mopar branded one, or just wait and install this one after 3 yr/36000> miles. Has anyone used the mopar remote starter? From what I can tell> it does not include Keyless entry or alarm features which I also want> to add.>
Any suggestions or advice about the Mopar starter or if I should wait> or not is appreciated. Thank you>
Also, Has anyone had any really hard times with Dodge's electrical> systems?>


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Wrench007 via CarKB.com 14 October 2005 08:22:31 [ permanent link ]
 Hi Kevin,
You don't say what the remote starter is off of, or do you know what it
will work on? Anyway bad Idea for the 2005, or any model that has a "Pass Key
or Chip", because you will need to mount an extra pass key near the ignition
for the remote start to work. And yes, it will VOID your warranty if the
technician decides that the remote start is what caused a problem.

Kevin wrote:>I am thinking about putting a remote starter in my 2005 dakota, problem>is the one I got is aftermarket (from another vehicle...I took it off>and am reinstalling on this one). I can't decide if, to save the>warranty on the electrical system from being voided, I should buy a new>mopar branded one, or just wait and install this one after 3 yr/36000>miles. Has anyone used the mopar remote starter? From what I can tell>it does not include Keyless entry or alarm features which I also want>to add.>
Any suggestions or advice about the Mopar starter or if I should wait>or not is appreciated. Thank you>
Also, Has anyone had any really hard times with Dodge's electrical>systems?­


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Fiberman 6 November 2005 17:44:37 [ permanent link ]
 All of the sudden my remote start stopped working, is there a fuse or
something I could check? the car is an Eclipse GT 2000, thanks


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