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Joe Hugh 19 February 2005 05:21:37
 Our Ford van had LT235's and my partner replaced the back ones with
P235's....since then it feels "squirrelly"....wha­t is the diff between the
light truck and passenger tire?


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Pws 20 January 2005 20:00:19 [ permanent link ]
 Larry Hill wrote:> Hi all,> At this time I have the original 195/50x15 tires on my 2000 Miata. I want to> go to a higher sidewall tire to make the ride softer. I'm NOT a fast mountain> road driver or "Boy Racer" ,so I'm really not worried about the performance> factor. How ever I do not want to loose the ability to corner quite rapidly of> I can help it.> Any advise about a 70-80 tire wold be appreciated. I have actually thought> about switching to a 14" rim.> Yea,I know I'm the same old fart that would like an Automatic Miata...flame> away!> Thank> you,>
Larry Hill

In your case, I would look into a tire of the correct size with the
softest sidewall possible. What do you have on there now? Also, if your
shocks are original, the ride could benefit greatly by replacing them
with adjustable shocks and leaving them on the softest setting. There is
a big difference in the comfort levels of different miatas depending on
what has been done to them, from knock-your-fillings­ out stiff to a ride
that is amazingly plush for such a short wheel base car.

No flames, but I would never consider putting 70's or 80's series tires
on my miata. I would switch to another car before doing that if I found
the ride to be too uncomfortable.

Pat
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Chris D'Agnolo 26 January 2005 05:52:51 [ permanent link ]
 Someone just posted on another thread, that the Toyo's are $59 at
onlinetires.com in 15", that changes the cost part of the draw-back. There's
still the treadwear rating, what are they rated at?

Chris
92BB&T

<youngen@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:1106332484.044­316.186880@f14g2000c­wb.googlegroups.com.­..> I have a 2000 MX-5 with the original alloy 14" rims running 185/65-14> Goodrich Control T/A's. I'm very happy with the ride and control of> the vehicle. The tires have about 10k miles on them now and show very> little wear - not like some of the more aggressive tires I've read> about that only last 15-20k.>
That being said - I really like the look of the 15" 50-series tires and> would consider a trade if you're interested.>
Greg Youngen>


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Pete LaFlamme 3 February 2005 18:53:34 [ permanent link ]
 My 2003 Jetta VR6 with the sport suspension is having a problem with the
Goodyear Eagle RS-A (225/45/17) tires that came from the factory.

Loss of tire pressure, cupping, out of round, slipped belt, etc. Took the
car to a Goodyear dealer hoping that they would give me some sort of
adjustment (tires have 17,000 miles) and they told me the car was out of
alignment. Took the car to my local VW dealer and they performed an
alignment. The left front wheel was slightly off (but within factory
specs.). They said the problem is with the tires.

First question, have any of you had a similar problem with this tire?

Secondly, what would you suggest I replace the tires with? Looking at the
Kumho ASX but I am open to suggestions.


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Jacob 13 February 2005 01:20:39 [ permanent link ]
 I've got a 1995 XLT 4WD Explorer, and want to buy a set of new tires. I
live in Wisconsin, and we get a fair amount of snow. I don't really do any
off road driving, and want the best tire for the vehicle. By "best tire" I
mean safety, noise, wet and dry traction. thanks.


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Bob 13 February 2005 04:48:36 [ permanent link ]
 Michelin LTX M/S
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JMK3rd 13 February 2005 07:33:35 [ permanent link ]
 I'll put in another vote for Michelin LTX M/S. I originally had the stock
Goodyear Wrangler RT/S's on my 2002 EB. Once I switched to the Michelin's,
it was a totally different truck. All in all, an awesome tire for this
particular vehicle.

Jim

"Ratbert" <ratbert2k@eat.my.s­horts.spammers.myway­.com> wrote in message
news:YqxPd.63326$IV­5.28886@attbi_s54...­>I also recommend Michelins. I considered the LTX M/S and ultimately bought >the Cross Terrains. The difference between these and the old tires I had >is night and day. My only regret is that I let the dealer put crappy tires >on during the Firestone recall.


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Big Bill 13 February 2005 20:03:48 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:20:39 -0600, "Jacob" <spam@spam.com> wrote:
I've got a 1995 XLT 4WD Explorer, and want to buy a set of new tires. I>live in Wisconsin, and we get a fair amount of snow. I don't really do any>off road driving, and want the best tire for the vehicle. By "best tire" I>mean safety, noise, wet and dry traction. thanks.>

We had LTX M/S tires on our Expedition, and still have them on our
Explorer.
We put Cross Terrains on the Expedition last time, and they are
better, IMO. They are a slightly rougher riding tire, but wet traction
is better (we just had 3 days of rain here in Phoenix, so I got to
check this out), and gas mileage has improved.
Off road is something I do a little of, and I can't notice a
difference; probably because I'm not hard-core enought to really test
that.
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Bill Funk
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Ulysses 14 February 2005 01:20:39 [ permanent link ]
 Me too. I have the Michelins on my '91 and '92 and think they are the best
overall. They wear so long I actually had to get them rebalanced on my '91
at about 40K miles (when other tires are worn out) and they look like they
will go another 40K miles.

"JMK3rd" <jk@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jUzPd.544$SO.4­50@newsread3.news.at­l.earthlink.net...> I'll put in another vote for Michelin LTX M/S.


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Mike Iglesias 14 February 2005 06:06:09 [ permanent link ]
 In article <110vh5apitapk2d@co­rp.supernews.com>,
Ulysses <therealulysses@yah­oo.com> wrote:>Me too. I have the Michelins on my '91 and '92 and think they are the best>overall. They wear so long I actually had to get them rebalanced on my '91>at about 40K miles (when other tires are worn out) and they look like they>will go another 40K miles.

I put a set of LTX M/S on my 94 Explorer and they lasted 80k miles.


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Jonah 17 February 2005 02:01:00 [ permanent link ]
 Michelin LTX M/S hands down best tire value. Initially a bit pricey,
but worth every penny.

Jacob wrote:> I've got a 1995 XLT 4WD Explorer, and want to buy a set of new tires. I> live in Wisconsin, and we get a fair amount of snow. I don't really do any> off road driving, and want the best tire for the vehicle. By "best tire" I> mean safety, noise, wet and dry traction. thanks.>
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Fbloogyudsr 19 February 2005 05:33:42 [ permanent link ]
 "Joe Hugh" <jhugh@charter.net>­ wrote> Our Ford van had LT235's and my partner replaced the back ones with > P235's....since then it feels "squirrelly"....wha­t is the diff between the > light truck and passenger tire?

The main difference is load rating - how much the tires can support.
Truck tires are usually stiffer, since they have more cord layers, too.

The difference you feel is also likely to be due to the mismatch between
front and rear tires - it may go away if you replace the fronts with the
same tire that is on the rear.

Floyd

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Max 19 February 2005 07:52:35 [ permanent link ]
 Joe Hugh wrote:> Our Ford van had LT235's and my partner replaced the back ones with > P235's....since then it feels "squirrelly"....wha­t is the diff between the > light truck and passenger tire?>

LT - Stiffer sidewalls.

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Jacob 20 February 2005 21:24:54 [ permanent link ]
 Thank you to everyone who was kind enough to give me advice on tires. I
bought the Michelin LTX MS tires and so far I'm very satisfied. Today it is
snowing and I went out and tested them and they work very nicely. Thanks,
again.

"Jacob" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:zouPd.6582$Sq5­.536@twister.rdc-kc.­rr.com...> I've got a 1995 XLT 4WD Explorer, and want to buy a set of new tires. I> live in Wisconsin, and we get a fair amount of snow. I don't really do
off road driving, and want the best tire for the vehicle. By "best tire"
mean safety, noise, wet and dry traction. thanks.>


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JMK3rd 24 February 2005 03:22:32 [ permanent link ]
 How do they compare with your previous set of tires?

Jim


"Jacob" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:GJ3Sd.6534$3V3­.1867@twister.rdc-kc­.rr.com...> Thank you to everyone who was kind enough to give me advice on tires. I> bought the Michelin LTX MS tires and so far I'm very satisfied. Today it > is> snowing and I went out and tested them and they work very nicely. Thanks,> again.>
"Jacob" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message> news:zouPd.6582$Sq5­.536@twister.rdc-kc.­rr.com...>> I've got a 1995 XLT 4WD Explorer, and want to buy a set of new tires. I>> live in Wisconsin, and we get a fair amount of snow. I don't really do> any>> off road driving, and want the best tire for the vehicle. By "best tire"> I>> mean safety, noise, wet and dry traction. thanks.>>


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Ulysses 28 February 2005 06:53:28 [ permanent link ]
 This post may be too old now but here goes anyway: in the past 2 weeks I've
had two Michelin LTX M/S tires momentarily seperate from the rim allowing
mud/dirt to get in there and cause a leak. I'm not sure if it was caused by
hitting a rut too hard or going sideways through the mud at 30 mph. I keep
my tires at around 32 psi. Too low perhaps? In any case I still like the
Michelins best but a 6 ply sidewall might be better for my conditions.
Anyone know if Michelin makes one?


"Ulysses" <therealulysses@yah­oo.com> wrote in message
news:110vh5apitapk2­d@corp.supernews.com­...> Me too. I have the Michelins on my '91 and '92 and think they are the
best> overall. They wear so long I actually had to get them rebalanced on my
'91> at about 40K miles (when other tires are worn out) and they look like they> will go another 40K miles.>
"JMK3rd" <jk@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:jUzPd.544$SO.4­50@newsread3.news.at­l.earthlink.net...> > I'll put in another vote for Michelin LTX M/S.>


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R E D N A L O 27 March 2005 06:50:51 [ permanent link ]
 How does NASCAR figure out how many sets of tires a
team can have for each race? In the last few BGN races
I've watched, teams have been concerned about saving
one set of new tires for their last pit stop. What is NASCARs
thinking behind limiting tires for a race?

DR
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Somebody 27 March 2005 07:34:24 [ permanent link ]
 
<r_e_d_n_a_l_o@mchs­i.com> wrote in message
news:3k7c41l5vmb3qk­i85hg2b0gikeipu3n5j6­@4ax.com...> How does NASCAR figure out how many sets of tires a> team can have for each race? In the last few BGN races> I've watched, teams have been concerned about saving> one set of new tires for their last pit stop. What is NASCARs> thinking behind limiting tires for a race?>

I think the team decides how many to buy. Sometimes, economy bites them.

-Russ.

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Another Ole Fart 27 March 2005 08:14:55 [ permanent link ]
 r_e_d_n_a_l_o@mchsi.­com wrote in news:3k7c41l5vmb3qk­i85hg2b0gikeipu3n5j6­@
4ax.com:
How does NASCAR figure out how many sets of tires a> team can have for each race? In the last few BGN races> I've watched, teams have been concerned about saving> one set of new tires for their last pit stop. What is NASCARs> thinking behind limiting tires for a race?>
---> Go 24-48> -------------------­--------> Proud Father of a US Marine> --Semper Fi-->

In Busch they do it to save $$$$$


Ed

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Steve Scott 27 March 2005 09:30:54 [ permanent link ]
 Cost savings. At $1600 per set NASCAR figures they can save something
that way. And if you look at how Cup teams fire tires at a car
there's probably something to that.

It used to be they could only use 3 sets of new tires under yellow.
It looks like they're allowed so many sets for a weekend to use as the
teams see fit. If they can limit how many tires they use in practice
they have more for the race.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:50:51 CST, r_e_d_n_a_l_o@mchsi­.com wrote:
How does NASCAR figure out how many sets of tires a>team can have for each race? In the last few BGN races>I've watched, teams have been concerned about saving>one set of new tires for their last pit stop. What is NASCARs>thinking behind limiting tires for a race?>
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WildWeasel 28 March 2005 02:22:09 [ permanent link ]
 
"Steve Scott" wrote ...> Cost savings. At $1600 per set NASCAR figures they can save something> that way. And if you look at how Cup teams fire tires at a car> there's probably something to that.>
It used to be they could only use 3 sets of new tires under yellow.> It looks like they're allowed so many sets for a weekend to use as the> teams see fit. If they can limit how many tires they use in practice> they have more for the race.>

Steve's right. nascar determines, not the team and their tire budget. And it
seems there is now a total weekend limit, it used to be a per race limit and, I
believe, only counted yellow flag pit stops or something.

But it's nascar's limit for the purpose of keeping expenses down, not the
team's.

r_e_d_n_a_l_o wrote:>
How does NASCAR figure out how many sets of tires a>>team can have for each race? In the last few BGN races>>I've watched, teams have been concerned about saving>>one set of new tires for their last pit stop. What is NASCARs>>thinking behind limiting tires for a race?>>


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John McCoy 28 March 2005 05:15:18 [ permanent link ]
 r_e_d_n_a_l_o@mchsi.­com wrote in
news:3k7c41l5vmb3qk­i85hg2b0gikeipu3n5j6­@4ax.com:
How does NASCAR figure out how many sets of tires a> team can have for each race?

They look at how many tires were used in past races at the track,
at tire wear during tire tests, and things like that.
In the last few BGN races> I've watched, teams have been concerned about saving> one set of new tires for their last pit stop.

As I understand it, that's the goal when they're trying to decide
how many. A good team that plans carefully should have just enough,
the teams that don't plan well run out.
What is NASCARs> thinking behind limiting tires for a race?

As everyone else said, it's to save the Busch teams money (about
the only thing NASCAR's done in recent years to save them money;
with increased travel costs, NASCAR taking away sponsors, and
whackers eating up most of the prize money the Busch teams sure
need some money-saving ideas).

There's an ongoing debate as to whether the tire rule should
also exist in Cup. I tend to favor the idea.

John

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R E D N A L O 30 March 2005 05:50:57 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:50:51 CST, r_e_d_n_a_l_o@mchsi­.com wrote:
How does NASCAR figure out how many sets of tires a>team can have for each race? In the last few BGN races>I've watched, teams have been concerned about saving>one set of new tires for their last pit stop. What is NASCARs>thinking behind limiting tires for a race?>
DR

Thanks for all the replies - it just seems to me that if the cost
of winning a race includes tires, teams would be willing to
spend whatever it takes. If NASCAR wants to set a limit on
the number of sets a team can have for a race, they need
to be careful not to create an unsafe situation during a race.
I think this should apply equally to BGN and Cup...

DR
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Mike 22 August 2005 15:03:36 [ permanent link ]
 I am in the process of purchasing new tires for my 2003 MB E320. The
originals are Continental and the tire size is 225-55-16. My son has
been running Bridgestone Turanza LS-H on his Lexus and he likes them.
Seems to me from what I read, that the Bridgestone have better
traction/handling than my Continental although they are not as quite.
Anyway, I decided to purchase Bridgestones Turanza LS-H for my MB. The
local tire dealers in my area like NTB or Tires Plus don't have this
tire in stock so they would have to be ordered from the warehouse. Fine
with me. So last week I tried to placed an order for 4 Turanzas and was
told that the tire manufacturer was having tire failures with this
particular tire and that he would not recommend me buying them. Also
the tire manufacturer was discontinuing this tire although when he
checked with the warehouse there were plenty of tires.

My question to the group, has anyone experienced any kind of failure or
read any negative report on this tire. ?? Also, what tire would you
recommend ?
Thanks
Mike
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Dori A Schmetterling 22 August 2005 16:01:50 [ permanent link ]
 As your car is not far off mine in size and power (I have a 2001 CLK 320
Cab) I thought it might be worthwhile mentioning that my factory-fitted
Pirelli P6000s at 21 000 miles are still the originals and going strong.

Of course our driving patterns could be very different, and this can have a
significant effect on longevity.

DAS

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"Mike" <m57johnson@att.net­> wrote in message
news:ciiOe.652288$c­g1.103861@bgtnsc04-n­ews.ops.worldnet.att­.net...>I am in the process of purchasing new tires for my 2003 MB E320. The >originals are Continental and the tire size is 225-55-16. My son has been >running Bridgestone Turanza LS-H on his Lexus and he likes them. Seems to >me from what I read, that the Bridgestone have better traction/handling >than my Continental although they are not as quite. Anyway, I decided to >purchase Bridgestones Turanza LS-H for my MB. The local tire dealers in my >area like NTB or Tires Plus don't have this tire in stock so they would >have to be ordered from the warehouse. Fine with me. So last week I tried >to placed an order for 4 Turanzas and was told that the tire manufacturer >was having tire failures with this particular tire and that he would not >recommend me buying them. Also the tire manufacturer was discontinuing >this tire although when he checked with the warehouse there were plenty of >tires.>
My question to the group, has anyone experienced any kind of failure or > read any negative report on this tire. ?? Also, what tire would you > recommend ?> Thanks> Mike


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T.G. Lambach 22 August 2005 19:28:39 [ permanent link ]
 Michelin MXV4 Energy, or equivalent
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Dori A Schmetterling 22 August 2005 20:17:34 [ permanent link ]
 I agree that Michelins would be good, too.

DAS
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McBrue 23 August 2005 02:59:34 [ permanent link ]
 Get the top line Michelins. Been driving them for 30 years and never
had a problem. They last longer than the other tires too. If you want
to know the exact model you need, ask the dealer or if they are not up
to speed, call headquarters in Greenville, SC and ask for customer
service. Just tell them if you want to drive 130 mph or if you want to
stay at the speed limit but do a lot of sharp turns at max speed around
town fully loaded (loaded with passengers, of corse, not yourself
loaded - unless you live down under the bridge an haz got a full load
of them gud ole boyz whut iz alwuys loaded).

mcbrue welltyredly under the bridge in the trailer down by the river

96 S420

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Dave HD 23 August 2005 07:44:54 [ permanent link ]
 Uuum, aren't Bridgestone and Firestone the same company?? I guess that
would explain the failures. Just ask any Ford Explorer owners...
Davehd

"Mike" <m57johnson@att.net­> wrote in message
news:ciiOe.652288$c­g1.103861@bgtnsc04-n­ews.ops.worldnet.att­.net...>I am in the process of purchasing new tires for my 2003 MB E320. The >originals are Continental and the tire size is 225-55-16. My son has been >running Bridgestone Turanza LS-H on his Lexus and he likes them. Seems to >me from what I read, that the Bridgestone have better traction/handling >than my Continental although they are not as quite. Anyway, I decided to >purchase Bridgestones Turanza LS-H for my MB. The local tire dealers in my >area like NTB or Tires Plus don't have this tire in stock so they would >have to be ordered from the warehouse. Fine with me. So last week I tried >to placed an order for 4 Turanzas and was told that the tire manufacturer >was having tire failures with this particular tire and that he would not >recommend me buying them. Also the tire manufacturer was discontinuing >this tire although when he checked with the warehouse there were plenty of >tires.>
My question to the group, has anyone experienced any kind of failure or > read any negative report on this tire. ?? Also, what tire would you > recommend ?> Thanks> Mike


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Tiger 28 August 2005 18:48:47 [ permanent link ]
 I suggest you look at Avon tires at Tirerack.com... great value... super
quiet... awesome grip. I got the MTech 500 and loved it.


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Mw 16 October 2005 06:55:37 [ permanent link ]
 
"Bob" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:ZPKdnRBpfa8INs­zeRVn-jg@giganews.co­m...> <blabla@AOL.COM> wrote in news:MPG.1dbb64cdf0­9ed3fc9896a2> @news.west.cox.net:­>
In article <HHh4f.145538$qY1.8­8975@bgtnsc04-news.o­ps.worldnet.att.net>­,> > b1sdf@amico.net says...> >> No, they're just not designed for racing!> >>
what the hell was wrong with the track in the condition it was in a few> > years ago with the bumps in 3-4?? Looks pretty fucked up now, not> > racing, just wrecking> >
Don't blame the track, blame Goodyear. With no second tire manufacturer in> the series there is simply no reason tire design is so far on the edge.> They can build safer but slower tires.

It could be argued that back when Hoosier was in the series, more
tire-related accidents were happening because the mfg.s were pushing the
limits too far competitively. Many GY drivers complained about that being
the case in '94. I remember Rusty being whiny (I'm still a fan though)
because he wished Hoosier would just leave the series (knock on wood) so GY
would relax and build safer tires. Just my recollections.

MW



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Mark@Caddproductivity.Com 6 November 2005 03:13:27 [ permanent link ]
 Greetings NG,

Haven't posted here for ages. Last I did this NG seemed unusually well
populated with the helpful and knowledgeable.

Regarding my ageless and revered 1991 Toyota Cressida:

I'm currently running 4 BF Goodrich 195/65/15 All Seasons which have a
little meat left but not enough for winter here in Ontario. I'm tempted
to get 2 economy snow tires for the back and 2 Mich' Harmony for the
front. The idea is in spring I can take the 2 snows off the rear, move
the new Michelins to the rear and put the 2 best BF Goodrich's back on
the front. Does this make good driving sense? I think it makes good
economic sense at least.

I suspect most tire tech's would recommend 4 of the same. Is this really
true for a car which doesn't get driven very fast or often. Or is this a
common strategy to sell more tires?

Mark
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Hachiroku 6 November 2005 09:06:29 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:13:27 -0500, mark@caddproductivi­ty.com wrote:
Greetings NG,>
Haven't posted here for ages. Last I did this NG seemed unusually well > populated with the helpful and knowledgeable.>
Regarding my ageless and revered 1991 Toyota Cressida:>
I'm currently running 4 BF Goodrich 195/65/15 All Seasons which have a > little meat left but not enough for winter here in Ontario. I'm tempted > to get 2 economy snow tires for the back and 2 Mich' Harmony for the > front. The idea is in spring I can take the 2 snows off the rear, move > the new Michelins to the rear and put the 2 best BF Goodrich's back on > the front. Does this make good driving sense? I think it makes good > economic sense at least.

A lot of people will tell you it does, but when I was in Driver's Ed, the
teacher said, Always put your best tires on the rear. Why? You can't steer
the rear!
I suspect most tire tech's would recommend 4 of the same. Is this really> true for a car which doesn't get driven very fast or often. Or is this a> common strategy to sell more tires?>
Mark

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Ravelation 6 November 2005 20:32:36 [ permanent link ]
 
Trueno@ae86.GTS (Hachiroku) wrote:
A lot of people will tell you it does, but >when I was in Driver's Ed, the teacher >said, Always put your best tires on the >rear. Why? You can't steer the rear!

Yup. America's Tire Store recommends the exact same thing. When they
told me it was best to mount the new tires on back, I questioned it and
that's what they said. You need the added stability in the rear to keep
the car's rear from skidding out, since you can't control it as much as
the front.

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Hachiroku 6 November 2005 20:52:34 [ permanent link ]
 On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:32:36 -0800, ravelation wrote:
Trueno@ae86.GTS (Hachiroku) wrote:>
A lot of people will tell you it does, but> >when I was in Driver's Ed, the teacher> >said, Always put your best tires on the> >rear. Why? You can't steer the rear! >
Yup. America's Tire Store recommends the exact same thing. When they> told me it was best to mount the new tires on back, I questioned it and> that's what they said. You need the added stability in the rear to keep> the car's rear from skidding out, since you can't control it as much as> the front.

'bout time you showed up somewhere!~ Where the heck ya been?
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Ray O 7 November 2005 06:51:40 [ permanent link ]
 
<mark@caddproductiv­ity.com> wrote in message
news:yUbbf.20475$LF­3.1133820@news20.bel­lglobal.com...> Greetings NG,>
Haven't posted here for ages. Last I did this NG seemed unusually well > populated with the helpful and knowledgeable.>
Regarding my ageless and revered 1991 Toyota Cressida:>
I'm currently running 4 BF Goodrich 195/65/15 All Seasons which have a > little meat left but not enough for winter here in Ontario. I'm tempted to > get 2 economy snow tires for the back and 2 Mich' Harmony for the front. > The idea is in spring I can take the 2 snows off the rear, move the new > Michelins to the rear and put the 2 best BF Goodrich's back on the front. > Does this make good driving sense? I think it makes good economic sense at > least.>

Your idea makes sens if there is at least 2/32" tread depth remaining on the
BF Goodrich tires. If not, then you need to replace all the tires.

Since the Cressida is a rear wheel drive car and is not known for stellar
traction in the snow, you should put your best tires on the rear.
I suspect most tire tech's would recommend 4 of the same. Is this really > true for a car which doesn't get driven very fast or often. Or is this a > common strategy to sell more tires?>
Mark

Most techs recommend 4 tires at a time because if the tires have been taken
care of and rotated properly, all 4 tend to wear out at the same time.
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Ll 7 November 2005 07:06:33 [ permanent link ]
 "mark@caddproductivi­ty.com" wrote:> Haven't posted here for ages. Last I did this NG seemed unusually> well populated with the helpful and knowledgeable.

How things have changed! But if you want to talk about politics,
this is the place.

The local tire shop is recommending Goodyear Assurance ComforTreds
for the van. Anyone out there have those? Consumer Reports rated
the Goodyear Assurance TripleTreds number one and the ComforTred in
the middle of the pack. But when you look at the details,
they rated the CT higher on snow and ice and the TT higher
on noise and ride. These are opposite what Goodyear markets
them as, and opposite the customer reviews on tirerack.
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Ravelation 7 November 2005 18:47:55 [ permanent link ]
 
lkslittle@REMOVEcom­castTHIS.net (ll) wrote:

The local tire shop is recommending >Goodyear Assurance ComforTreds for >the van. Â Anyone out there have those?

My son's Grand Prix has these. Nice, solid tire. They seem to be wearing
at a decent rate and provide a good, quiet ride.



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Jsterjason 14 February 2006 05:55:41 [ permanent link ]
 I just bought a 2003 BMW 540i sedan. It has snowtires, so I need to get a
set of tires this spring.

I generally go with Michelins, but thought I'd throw this one out to the
group to see what you all think. I played with the site, and came up with
the MXV4 Plus, 225/55R 16 95H.

I have tried Continentals, but didn't like the ride a great deal with my old
530i.

Any thoughts about better tires/alternatives?­


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SharkmanBMW 14 February 2006 06:13:58 [ permanent link ]
 where are you?
Michelins are good but $$
what type of driving will you do, I have a 540 and I like sporty rides, so I
have Toyo T1R.
If you want something all round that is different, location is important, do
you encounter snor and a lot of rain?


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Pltrgyst 14 February 2006 06:31:24 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:55:41 GMT, "Jsterjason" <jsterjason1@hotmai­l.com> wrote:
I have tried Continentals, but didn't like the ride a great deal with my old >530i.>
Any thoughts about better tires/alternatives?­

You might consider Avons. I put a set of 225/45WR-17 Avon Tech M550 A/S XL on my
wife's 330i with sport package last year, and they're a huge improvement in both
ride and wet weather handling over the stock Michelins.

-- Larry

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Grl 14 February 2006 06:47:43 [ permanent link ]
 I have had good experience with BFG Touring T/A's.


"Jsterjason" <jsterjason1@hotmai­l.com> wrote in message
news:NEbIf.11137$Hl­3.9644@news-wrt-01.r­dc-nyc.rr.com...>I just bought a 2003 BMW 540i sedan. It has snowtires, so I need to get a >set of tires this spring.>
I generally go with Michelins, but thought I'd throw this one out to the > group to see what you all think. I played with the site, and came up with > the MXV4 Plus, 225/55R 16 95H.>
I have tried Continentals, but didn't like the ride a great deal with my > old 530i.>
Any thoughts about better tires/alternatives?­>


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John Carrier 15 February 2006 01:37:17 [ permanent link ]
 I'm about to replace my 530i OEM tires in a month or two. For all-out dry
performance: Mich PS2's. If wet performance is key: Goodyear F-1 D3 (not
quite as good as the Mich in the dry, but better wet and probably the better
all-rounder). If you want an M&S (which merely means it's meant to handle
cold temperatures better) the Pirelli P-Zero Nero or Avon M-550. The Avons
are getting rave user reviews at Tirerack.com, but the Pirellis post better
numbers in the road tests.

Right now I'm leaning toward the Pirellis ... reasonable performance at a
reasonable price and apparently quite durable.

R / John

"Jsterjason" <jsterjason1@hotmai­l.com> wrote in message
news:NEbIf.11137$Hl­3.9644@news-wrt-01.r­dc-nyc.rr.com...>I just bought a 2003 BMW 540i sedan. It has snowtires, so I need to get a >set of tires this spring.>
I generally go with Michelins, but thought I'd throw this one out to the > group to see what you all think. I played with the site, and came up with > the MXV4 Plus, 225/55R 16 95H.>
I have tried Continentals, but didn't like the ride a great deal with my > old 530i.>
Any thoughts about better tires/alternatives?­>


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Dori A Schmetterling 15 February 2006 23:30:47 [ permanent link ]
 Isn't M&S Matsch und Schnee? If so it means slush and snow.

DAS

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E Brown 18 February 2006 00:06:42 [ permanent link ]
 On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:30:47 -0000, "Dori A Schmetterling"
<ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
Isn't M&S Matsch und Schnee? If so it means slush and snow.>
Or in English - Mud and Snow.
I'm upgrading the Z4 to 18" Ellipsoids and I was thinking of the
Goodyear F-1 as well. They seem to be the performance tire of the
moment.
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Dori A Schmetterling 18 February 2006 04:28:24 [ permanent link ]
 Whatever. The point is that it has little to do with the temperature as
such as in "If you want an M&S (which merely means it's meant to handle
cold temperatures better)"

DAS

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Sogden6 5 May 2006 21:38:45 [ permanent link ]
 Does anybody know what the largest tire size I can put on my 2003 2500hd ext
cab 4x4 I heard I might be able to get 33's on it? Any help appreciated.


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Taz 6 May 2006 08:53:49 [ permanent link ]
 i know you can put 285/75/16s on no problem. 33' should fit too but you
might have to crank up your torsion bars a little...and no crazy offset
rims.

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 Thanks I appreciate it.
"taz" <redeye.racing@hotm­ail.com> wrote in message
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60ragtop 15 May 2006 05:47:23 [ permanent link ]
 I have a chance to buy a set of barely used 225-75x15 WWW radials which I
would mount on the 15 x 6 wheels Bob Helm sells. Any opinions as to whether
there would be problems with clearance or other issues when mounted on a 62
Hawk or 60 Lark Convertible?


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Guest 15 May 2006 05:53:51 [ permanent link ]
 "60ragtop" <frankphilippi@mchs­i.com> wrote:> I have a chance to buy a set of barely used 225-75x15 WWW radials which I> would mount on the 15 x 6 wheels Bob Helm sells. Any opinions as to> whether there would be problems with clearance or other issues when> mounted on a 62 Hawk or 60 Lark Convertible?

I don't know about the Hawk or Lark fit, but I know they don't fit on my '57 Packard wagon, I tried.

Chip

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Nate Nagel 15 May 2006 05:56:45 [ permanent link ]
 60ragtop wrote:> I have a chance to buy a set of barely used 225-75x15 WWW radials which I > would mount on the 15 x 6 wheels Bob Helm sells. Any opinions as to whether > there would be problems with clearance or other issues when mounted on a 62 > Hawk or 60 Lark Convertible? >

They'll probably fit the Hawk just fine; I would be worried about front
fender clearance on the 'vert though.

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The Other Dave 15 May 2006 08:44:03 [ permanent link ]
 I put 205-75s on our Lark convertible. They rubbed on the front fenders. I
installed new heavy duty springs and new shocks, they were better, but would
still rub under extreme conditions, like entering/exiting a sloped driveway
too fast with the wheels turned. I think 225 would really be pushing the
envelope.
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news:20060514221203­.174$XF@newsreader.c­om...> "60ragtop" <frankphilippi@mchs­i.com> wrote:>> I have a chance to buy a set of barely used 225-75x15 WWW radials which I>> would mount on the 15 x 6 wheels Bob Helm sells. Any opinions as to>> whether there would be problems with clearance or other issues when>> mounted on a 62 Hawk or 60 Lark Convertible?>
I don't know about the Hawk or Lark fit, but I know they don't fit on my > '57 Packard wagon, I tried.>
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Bill Glass 23 July 2006 21:46:42 [ permanent link ]
 I discovered I have the wrong sized tires on my car. When the speedometer
reads 60mph, the GPS says 52 mph. To get to 70 mph, I need to peg the
speedometer to 80 mph indicated at 3000 rpm. Car has 3:07 TT rear What size
radial do I need? Thanks

BG


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Jeff Rice 23 July 2006 21:53:20 [ permanent link ]
 Bill,
Relax.
Do the tires look good on your car?
Does the car ride nice?
No rubbing?
Go to a speedometer shop and have your speedo calibrated and forget about
it..
You drove it happily until you got that electronic troublemaker, didn't you?
Jeff



"Bill Glass" wrote...>I discovered I have the wrong sized tires on my car. When the speedometer >reads 60mph, the GPS says 52 mph. To get to 70 mph, I need to peg the >speedometer to 80 mph indicated at 3000 rpm. Car has 3:07 TT rear What size >radial do I need? Thanks>



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Barry 27 July 2006 05:34:22 [ permanent link ]
 You probably need a different speedo drive pinion...

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"Jeff Rice" <deepnhockNOSPAHM@c­ox.net> wrote in message
news:44c3aa87$0$173­44$88260bb3@free.ter­anews.com...> Bill,> Relax.> Do the tires look good on your car?> Does the car ride nice?> No rubbing?> Go to a speedometer shop and have your speedo calibrated and forget about> it..> You drove it happily until you got that electronic troublemaker, didn't
you?> Jeff>
"Bill Glass" wrote...> >I discovered I have the wrong sized tires on my car. When the speedometer> >reads 60mph, the GPS says 52 mph. To get to 70 mph, I need to peg the> >speedometer to 80 mph indicated at 3000 rpm. Car has 3:07 TT rear What
size> >radial do I need? Thanks> >
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Midlant@Earthlink.Net 27 July 2006 11:21:23 [ permanent link ]
 
Barry wrote:> You probably need a different speedo drive pinion...>
Which may involve the mating "gear" inside the trannny!

But, Billy, did you check the GP$ against the speedo in other vehicles
you have access to?

Karl

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Guest 27 July 2006 15:13:37 [ permanent link ]
 
Bill Glass wrote:> I discovered I have the wrong sized tires on my car. When the speedometer> reads 60mph, the GPS says 52 mph. To get to 70 mph, I need to peg the> speedometer to 80 mph indicated at 3000 rpm. Car has 3:07 TT rear What size> radial do I need? Thanks>
BG

Bill,
I am also running a 3.07 gear in my 4 speed lark. I have
235-60-15's on it .
According to this calculator at 3,000 RPM I am running along at 75.91
mph .
http://www.chrisman­s.com/Calculators.ht­ml plug in your numbers and
see what the calculator says.My tire diameter is only 26.1 inches. You
must be running something taller than me. You would have to be going
faster than 70 mph at 3,000 RPM unless your transmission is slipping.
They have a spot on that site to calculate your tire diameter as well,
just type in your size tire. I believe the calculator is correct. I run
around 3000- 3,2000 RPM on the highway to stay in the left lane on the
Garden State Parkway and New York thruway.Judging the traffic flow it
seems right.
One more thing how accurate is your tachometer ? I am running a
Sun Tach which has to be more accurate than a 50 year old stude tach.I
don't see any stude racers using a stude tach to shift by. Let us know
what you find out, Joe Flannery

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Oldcarfart 27 July 2006 15:32:17 [ permanent link ]
 
Bill Glass wrote:> I discovered I have the wrong sized tires on my car. When the speedometer> reads 60mph, the GPS says 52 mph. To get to 70 mph, I need to peg the> speedometer to 80 mph indicated at 3000 rpm. Car has 3:07 TT rear What size> radial do I need? Thanks>
BG


look at the brite side, it will reduce your risk of a speeding ticket.

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Guest 4 August 2006 05:22:00 [ permanent link ]
 I got a set of 285/75R16 Triaxs M/T's last September, great traction on or
off road. but they were impossible to keep balanced. my driving habits are
about 90% hwy. and 10% off road. I suffered with the vibrations for 21,000
miles. the belt started separating on the right side tires Monday. so I
replaced them with 315/75R16's Dynapro MT RT03 bigger is better right?


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Love2Fish 13 March 2007 02:22:30 [ permanent link ]
 What determines what brand/manufacturer tire that is used.
I hope its not the "Level playing field" issue. That's sounds lie
affirmative action.
If it is the safety issue, then would it be advantageous to have more brands
in the mix to promote safety. Just a thought, but then, I'm just a fan.


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Martin X. Moleski 13 March 2007 02:22:30 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:24:43 CST, "Love2Fish" <bigbassman@ncplus.­net> wrote in <EvOdnVlko-6jYGjYnZ­2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@kallb­ack.com>:

What determines what brand/manufacturer tire that is used.

NASCAR. It's Goodyear for everybody all the time (except for
some tests?).

I hope its not the "Level playing field" issue. That's sounds lie
affirmative action.

Part of it my be "the official tire of NASCAR." In other words,
money changes hands to give Goodyear the monopoly.

If it is the safety issue, then would it be advantageous to have more brands
in the mix to promote safety. Just a thought, but then, I'm just a fan.

The last time Hoosier competed in the series, there were some blown tires.
People blamed the blown tires on the competition. I don't know how much
of that is a real safety issue and how much a smokescreen for making
Goodyear's monopoly official.

The exclusive contract has been renewd for another five years:

<http://www.sportin­gnews.com/yourturn/v­iewtopic.php?t=17395­6&highlight=&sid=043­d35cfb719002cd287b41­67ef56d9d>

The article says Hoosier withdrew from the series in 1994.

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WildWeasel 13 March 2007 02:22:30 [ permanent link ]
 
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote ...

The last time Hoosier competed in the series, there were some blown tires.
People blamed the blown tires on the competition. I don't know how much
of that is a real safety issue and how much a smokescreen for making
Goodyear's monopoly official.

'zactly. Like there haven't been any problems like that with Goodyear since
1994. Someone yesterday suggested the hard tires causing wrecks was, in
Goodyear's eyes, better than blown tires causing wrecks because G'yr could blame
the drivers - the tires held up just fine.

Sure sounds plausible to me.



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John McCoy 13 March 2007 07:05:07 [ permanent link ]
 "Love2Fish" <bigbassman@ncplus.­net> wrote in
news:EvOdnVlko-6jYG­jYnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@k­allback.com:

What determines what brand/manufacturer tire that is used.

NASCAR. Currently they contract with Goodyear to do so.

I hope its not the "Level playing field" issue. That's sounds lie
affirmative action.

It seems to be a combination of loyalty (for many years Goodyear
was the only brand offering a tire for NASCAR), simplicity (only
having one brand means NASCAR doesn't have to create specifications
for tires, or a process for checking & enforcing them) and money
(Goodyear pays to be the "tire of NASCAR").

If it is the safety issue, then would it be advantageous to have more
brands in the mix to promote safety. Just a thought, but then, I'm
just a fan.

Back when there were 2 brands of tires (Goodyear and Hoosier), there
was a concern that the manufacturers were placing winning ahead of
safety (with Goodyear being the main culprit, actually). NASCAR
discussed, but did not implement, rules to control the tires;
instead they created rules which made it economically impractical
for Hoosier (a small company) to compete.

In recent times companies such as Bridgestone and Michelin have
expressed interest in NASCAR. It's unlikely brands like that
would produce an excessively soft and unsafe tire like Goodyear
did. They have more experience in head to head competition
than Goodyear (who generally withdraw from supplying tires in
a series if they have competition).

John

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Steve Scott 13 March 2007 16:07:22 [ permanent link ]
 Seems to me there's been a number of races in recent years where tires
blowing was an issue. Charlotte a couple of years ago comes to mind.

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:14:28 CST, "WildWeasel"
<wweasel_24@zerospa­m.yahoo.com> wrote:

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote ...
The last time Hoosier competed in the series, there were some blown tires.
People blamed the blown tires on the competition. I don't know how much
of that is a real safety issue and how much a smokescreen for making
Goodyear's monopoly official.
'zactly. Like there haven't been any problems like that with Goodyear since
1994. Someone yesterday suggested the hard tires causing wrecks was, in
Goodyear's eyes, better than blown tires causing wrecks because G'yr could blame
the drivers - the tires held up just fine.


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Martin X. Moleski 13 March 2007 16:13:56 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:05:07 CST, John McCoy <igopogo@ix.netcom.­com> wrote in <Xns98F1E182C4CBDpo­gosupernews@216.168.­3.30>:

... NASCAR
discussed, but did not implement, rules to control the tires;
instead they created rules which made it economically impractical
for Hoosier (a small company) to compete.

Yes.

The rule was that each manufacturer had to bring enough tires
to sell to all the teams in the field.

If they couldn't supply tires for everybody, they couldn't
supply tires to anybody.

On the one hand, this is kind of fair. If Hoosier came out with
a super-tire, one might imagine that lots of teams would want
to use it for that weekend. On the other hand, given the
power of advertising to influence behavior, one could have
written a different rule so that teams had to pick their
brand far enough in advance for a reasonable number of tires
to be produced.

On balance, I buy the idea that NASCAR wanted Hoosier to
go away and stay away, for good or for ill. :o(

In recent times companies such as Bridgestone and Michelin have
expressed interest in NASCAR. It's unlikely brands like that
would produce an excessively soft and unsafe tire like Goodyear
did. They have more experience in head to head competition
than Goodyear (who generally withdraw from supplying tires in
a series if they have competition).

One of them made a big mistake in 2005--ah, Michelin at the
US F1 Grand Prix in Indianapolis. The six Bridgestone cars
raced; 14 Michelin cars packed it in and went home.

http://en.wikipedia­.org/wiki/2005_Unite­d_States_Grand_Prix

I guess there is some force in the "level playing field"
argument. I can't imagine how miserable it would be for
NASCAR to try to dictate safety standards for competing
brands of tahrs.

Marty
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Mike Simmons 13 March 2007 17:33:00 [ permanent link ]
 
"John McCoy" <igopogo@ix.netcom.­com> wrote in message
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"Love2Fish" <bigbassman@ncplus.­net> wrote in
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What determines what brand/manufacturer tire that is used.
NASCAR. Currently they contract with Goodyear to do so.
I hope its not the "Level playing field" issue. That's sounds lie
affirmative action.
It seems to be a combination of loyalty (for many years Goodyear
was the only brand offering a tire for NASCAR), simplicity (only
having one brand means NASCAR doesn't have to create specifications
for tires, or a process for checking & enforcing them) and money
(Goodyear pays to be the "tire of NASCAR").
If it is the safety issue, then would it be advantageous to have more
brands in the mix to promote safety. Just a thought, but then, I'm
just a fan.
Back when there were 2 brands of tires (Goodyear and Hoosier), there
was a concern that the manufacturers were placing winning ahead of
safety (with Goodyear being the main culprit, actually). NASCAR
discussed, but did not implement, rules to control the tires;
instead they created rules which made it economically impractical
for Hoosier (a small company) to compete.
In recent times companies such as Bridgestone and Michelin have
expressed interest in NASCAR. It's unlikely brands like that
would produce an excessively soft and unsafe tire like Goodyear
did. They have more experience in head to head competition
than Goodyear (who generally withdraw from supplying tires in
a series if they have competition).
John

John:

IIRC, in the US Grand Prix a year or two ago, Michelin did indeed produce an
unsafe tire and in fact many drivers withdrew from the race because they
refused to drive on them. Michelin issued a public apology and refunded
ticket prices.

Mike


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John McCoy 14 March 2007 02:18:21 [ permanent link ]
 "Mike Simmons" <mikesim@yhti.net> wrote in
news:12vcqahl3q8aec­@corp.supernews.com:­

IIRC, in the US Grand Prix a year or two ago, Michelin did indeed
produce an unsafe tire and in fact many drivers withdrew from the race
because they refused to drive on them. Michelin issued a public
apology and refunded ticket prices.

Difference being that after practice Michelin said "this ain't gonna
work" (or whatever the equivalent is in French) and recommended their
drivers not compete, whereas during the Goodyear/Hoosier war the
tire companies denied there was a tire problem.

John

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David Walker 15 March 2007 21:41:37 [ permanent link ]
 On Mar 12, 10:24 pm, "Love2Fish" <bigbass...@ncplus.­net> wrote:
What determines what brand/manufacturer tire that is used.
I hope its not the "Level playing field" issue. That's sounds lie
affirmative action.
If it is the safety issue, then would it be advantageous to have more brands
in the mix to promote safety. Just a thought, but then, I'm just a fan.

http://news.yahoo.c­om/s/ap/20070314/ap_­on_sp_au_ra_ne/car_n­ascar_nuts_and_bolts­031407;_ylt=AgMpbtt_­RIVCSWFHljrvfYYLMxIF­
Interesting to hear what Tony had to say about tires, I wonder how
many other drivers feel the same.

David

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Phil Rhodes 17 May 2007 22:13:33 [ permanent link ]
 Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, and heard DW say that
Dale Sr's era was a stock car with bias ply tires, while JG's era is a
NASCAR race car with radial tires. While it's a good point, I wonder just
when did radials become the tire of NASCAR?


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Martin X. Moleski 17 May 2007 22:46:36 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:13:33 CST, "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes@NOSPAMcom­cast.net> wrote in
<l7adnX-nq9uyENHbnZ­2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@comca­st.com>:

Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, and heard DW say that
Dale Sr's era was a stock car with bias ply tires, while JG's era is a
NASCAR race car with radial tires. While it's a good point, I wonder just
when did radials become the tire of NASCAR?

1988: <http://msn.foxspor­ts.com/nascar/story/­6786522>

(Good stuff there on the COT. There's a typo, I think.
Larry wanted to say that first that he DISAGREES with
Jr's quote, then he agrees with the other part of it.)

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Chuck Steak 17 May 2007 23:14:02 [ permanent link ]
 In article "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes@NOSPAMcom­cast.net> wrote:

Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, and heard DW say that
Dale Sr's era was a stock car with bias ply tires, while JG's era is a
NASCAR race car with radial tires. While it's a good point, I wonder just
when did radials become the tire of NASCAR?

I don't know if the point was "good" or not...
I don't even know what "point" he was tring to make...

I'd bet Dale drove as many races or more on radials, as bias....
(Unlike Bill Weber... I don't look it up, so you have to!)


Dan
*******************­********************­*
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Starting tomorrow.

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WildWeasel 17 May 2007 23:41:25 [ permanent link ]
 
"Phil Rhodes" wrote ...
Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, ...


I missed it, at a school band concert. How was the show? Did they finally
answer the burning question?


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Tom Duwe 18 May 2007 00:34:09 [ permanent link ]
 "Chuck Steak" <chuck_steak@nospam­.com> wrote in message
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In article "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes@NOSPAMcom­cast.net> wrote:
Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, and heard DW say that
Dale Sr's era was a stock car with bias ply tires, while JG's era is a
NASCAR race car with radial tires. While it's a good point, I wonder just
when did radials become the tire of NASCAR?
I don't know if the point was "good" or not...
I don't even know what "point" he was tring to make...
I'd bet Dale drove as many races or more on radials, as bias....
(Unlike Bill Weber... I don't look it up, so you have to!)
Dan
*******************­********************­*
I'm going to stop putting things off.
Starting tomorrow.

DE had 3 championships and 31 race wins prior to 1988. In '87, he had 11 wins and
his second consecutive champ trophy...in '88 he had 3 wins and finished 3rd. In
'89, 5 wins and 2nd and in '90, 9 wins and his 4th champ trophy and his 5th in
'91.

Seems like he 'adapted' to radials purty quick!

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Martin X. Moleski 18 May 2007 01:03:11 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 17 May 2007 13:14:02 CST, chuck_steak@nospam.­com (Chuck Steak) wrote in <dW03i.16490$He1.12­40@trndny04>:

In article "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes@NOSPAMcom­cast.net> wrote:

Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, and heard DW say that
Dale Sr's era was a stock car with bias ply tires, while JG's era is a
NASCAR race car with radial tires. While it's a good point, I wonder just
when did radials become the tire of NASCAR?

I don't know if the point was "good" or not...
I don't even know what "point" he was tring to make...

I'd bet Dale drove as many races or more on radials, as bias....
(Unlike Bill Weber... I don't look it up, so you have to!)

Looks to me like three before 1988 and four afterward:

1980 -- bias ply
1986
1987

1990 -- radials
1991
1993
1994

Doesn't look like it supports DW's contention.

Up to and including 1988, Sr won 34 of 303 races.
~11%

1989 to 2001, he won 42 of 373.
~11%

Maybe he looked better and sounded happier on
the old tires.

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DollarBill 18 May 2007 01:03:11 [ permanent link ]
 "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.e­du> wrote in message
news:134pdaurhigik2­2@news.supernews.com­...
On Thu, 17 May 2007 13:14:02 CST, chuck_steak@nospam.­com (Chuck Steak)
wrote in <dW03i.16490$He1.12­40@trndny04>:
In article "Phil Rhodes" <p.rhodes@NOSPAMcom­cast.net> wrote:
Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, and heard DW say
that
Dale Sr's era was a stock car with bias ply tires, while JG's era is a
NASCAR race car with radial tires. While it's a good point, I wonder just
when did radials become the tire of NASCAR?
I don't know if the point was "good" or not...
I don't even know what "point" he was tring to make...
I'd bet Dale drove as many races or more on radials, as bias....
(Unlike Bill Weber... I don't look it up, so you have to!)
Looks to me like three before 1988 and four afterward:
1980 -- bias ply
1986
1987
1990 -- radials
1991
1993
1994
Doesn't look like it supports DW's contention.
Up to and including 1988, Sr won 34 of 303 races.
~11%
1989 to 2001, he won 42 of 373.
~11%
Maybe he looked better and sounded happier on
the old tires.

Nice work Marty. I would expect nothing less from a man who resides, among
other places, within the ivory towers. Statistics, facts, data, call it
what you want, but I feel compelled to quote a cliche here, you can't argue
with the numbers.
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WildWeasel 18 May 2007 01:03:11 [ permanent link ]
 
"DollarBill" wrote ...
I'd bet Dale drove as many races or more on radials, as bias....
(Unlike Bill Weber... I don't look it up, so you have to!)
Looks to me like three before 1988 and four afterward:
1980 -- bias ply
1986
1987
1990 -- radials
1991
1993
1994
Doesn't look like it supports DW's contention.
Up to and including 1988, Sr won 34 of 303 races.
~11%
1989 to 2001, he won 42 of 373.
~11%
Maybe he looked better and sounded happier on
the old tires.
Nice work Marty. I would expect nothing less from a man who resides, among
other places, within the ivory towers. Statistics, facts, data, call it what
you want, but I feel compelled to quote a cliche here, you can't argue with
the numbers.

I always think of "figure's lie and liars figure" ... but not in this case! 11
= 11, that's pretty interesting!


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Martin X. Moleski 18 May 2007 06:21:04 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:43:59 CST, "DollarBill" <nospambillgean@nos­pamearthlink.net> wrote in
<8NydnXgmiMM9ddHbnZ­2dnUVZ_vmqnZ2d@comca­st.com>:

... three before 1988 and four afterward:

1980 -- bias ply
1986
1987

1990 -- radials
1991
1993
1994

Doesn't look like it supports DW's contention.

Up to and including 1988, Sr won 34 of 303 races.
~11%

1989 to 2001, he won 42 of 373.
~11%

Maybe he looked better and sounded happier on
the old tires.

Nice work Marty. I would expect nothing less from a man who resides, among
other places, within the ivory towers. Statistics, facts, data, call it
what you want, but I feel compelled to quote a cliche here, you can't argue
with the numbers.

In this case, the numbers were easy to get and SEEM to
weaken DW's argument.

But I'm sure you've heard that there are three kinds of
lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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Nancy2 18 May 2007 21:59:24 [ permanent link ]
 On May 17, 2:41 pm, "WildWeasel" <wweasel...@zerospa­m.yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Phil Rhodes" wrote ...
Watched the 'Special' Windtunnel for a bit last nite, ...
I missed it, at a school band concert. How was the show? Did they finally
answer the burning question?


If you want it on videotape, let me know via e-mail - I haven't taped
over it yet - as a bonus, you get Unique Whips with a 24 test car
being redone into a convertible. It was way kewl.

N.

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Matt Macchiarolo 9 September 2007 00:47:23 [ permanent link ]
 I found the opposite when I ran 31x10.5's on my TJ, they were good in mud
and rocks but surprisingly not as good as I thought they would be in snow.
The lack of siping probably had something to do with that. And they wear
FAST because of the hi-traction rubber composition.

For all around off-roading and good snow performance, I'd recommend BFG AT
KO's.

"Carl S" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.­hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7dadnVwmt5WFcH­_bnZ2dnUVZ_oCvnZ2d@c­omcast.com...
Ran 30x9.5" Goodyear MT/R's on 89 Cherokee. Pretty good in snow and rocks,
gunks up a bit in the mud. Great long-lasting tire.
Carl
"Gary" <garyr51@gmail.com>­ wrote in message
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Does anyone have any pros or cons on Goodyear MTR tires? I want to get
noew tires for my 2005 tj sport, I want something for year around with at
little bite for the winter.
Thanks in advance,
Gary


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Twaldron 9 September 2007 18:40:02 [ permanent link ]
 Herb Leong wrote:

In article <46e2d035$0$17146$4­c368faf@roadrunner.c­om>,
Gary <garyr51@gmail.com>­ wrote:
#Does anyone have any pros or cons on Goodyear MTR tires? I want to get noew
#tires for my 2005 tj sport, I want something for year around with at little
#bite for the winter.
MT/Rs came stock on my Rubicon. The tires bite like a pitbull, but they
are very loud on-pavement. To the point that I want to get a 2nd set of
rims for mounting a set of tires with less pavement noise. I'm leaning
towards BFG All-Terrain T/A KO tires. The reports I have read all say
that the tires are low-noise and can still claw around in dirt. I am
trying to figure out the catch (there ain't no such thing as a free
lunch...).
/herb


The catch is that the KOs perform poorly in mud. You really can't go
wrong with either unless you run in serious mud all the time, then run
MTs instead of either.

The GY MT/Rs are not as loud as MTs, but louder than the KO's. I'm
running two sets of MT/Rs right now. 35s on the TJ and 32s on the EB. I
love them, but I will say that I find the KO's do everything the MT/Rs
do, however the MT/Rs are a little more agressive everywhere (bite) and
better in the mud. They will wear quicker than the KO's but have a much
taller tread depth to start with.

tw

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Coasty 30 December 2007 15:48:09 [ permanent link ]
 I bought some Pirelli Scorpions tires for my RAM 4x4 the Goodyear's have
worn out and were really squirrely due to the light rear end of the truck.
The Pirellis also performed well off road during my hunting excursions this
past fall.

I am thinking of getting a set for my 04 TJ have the stock Goodyear's and I
really don't think much of them other than they have 40k on them and have
worn well. Has anyone used Pirelli Scorpions on their Jeep and what are
your thoughts.

My TJ is stock and mainly I do lots of wood land trails. This past late
spring we went to Sedona and spent 2 weeks what a beautiful place. My long
time friend who works for the Department of the Interior got transferred
there and is a mucky muck Ranger so to speak. He issued us a special pass
so we could go into some of the areas that only the tours can go into and
are closed to all others, what a blast. If I could find work there I would
move yesterday so would the wife. It was my first time in the desert with
the TJ other than being in a Hummer on military opps. We also rode up to
the northern rim of the Grand Canyon from Sedona and there was still a lot
of snow on the ground in that area the view was amazing.

Since gas has gotten outrageous I have been using the TJ as the daily driver
and leaving the RAM to sit and use on the week ends. In perspective 18-20
mpg on the TJ compared to 13 on the Ram makes the TJ seem attractive for
fuel efficiency.

Thanks,

Coasty

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Matt B. 1 March 2008 09:47:02 [ permanent link ]
 "Jim Behning" <jimbehning@doesthi­sblockpork.mindsprin­g.com> wrote in message
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If your car is like mine there is a brand new full size tire in the
trunk. Well there was until I bought 3 new tires and used the trunk
tire. Next set I had to buy 4 new tires. I would at least have 2 tires
with the same amount of wear on the same axle.

Yeah I think what I'd do is if the spare is full size, put the spare tire
and a new tire up front and then throw the used-but-good front tire in the
trunk as the spare.


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Matt B. 1 March 2008 09:51:07 [ permanent link ]
 "Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAMjoe@hot­mail.com> wrote in message
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At 32,000 miles the old tyres are likely to have far less tread than a
new tyre. I If the left/right balance is upset, then if you have a need
to do an emergency stop, it could be enough to cause you to loose control.
I would replace two tyres.
Now you have two new tyres and two older tyres. You want the new ones
on the back. Yes on the back. In that emergency stop you want to keep
the back end in the back, but if the front tyres are holding better, then
the tendency is for the back tyres to loose traction and swing around to
the front giving you no chance of controlling the car. Hopefully you have
never and will never experience this, but do put the good tyres on the
back.
This can be serious in the summer, but in snow or on ice, it becomes
much more likely to create a serious safety problem.

Hmmmm I'm not so sure I agree w/this. We're talking a front-drive car here
so the weight, turning forces, and drive power are all on the front tires
placing more stress and wear on them than the rear tires. Front-drivers are
notorious understeerers too and not overly prone to oversteer. Since the
fronts wear faster than the rears on all front-drivers, the logic above
(best on back) would dictate that you would never therefore rotate the tires
on a front driver...you would wear out the fronts, then move the rears to
the front, and buy new ones for the back. We all know that isn't the case.


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None2u 4 March 2008 17:07:50 [ permanent link ]
 
"Matt B." <noway@hellno.com> wrote in message
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"Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAMjoe@hot­mail.com> wrote in message
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At 32,000 miles the old tyres are likely to have far less tread than a
new tyre. I If the left/right balance is upset, then if you have a need
to do an emergency stop, it could be enough to cause you to loose
control. I would replace two tyres.
Now you have two new tyres and two older tyres. You want the new ones
on the back. Yes on the back. In that emergency stop you want to keep
the back end in the back, but if the front tyres are holding better, then
the tendency is for the back tyres to loose traction and swing around to
the front giving you no chance of controlling the car. Hopefully you
have never and will never experience this, but do put the good tyres on
the back.
This can be serious in the summer, but in snow or on ice, it becomes
much more likely to create a serious safety problem.
Hmmmm I'm not so sure I agree w/this. We're talking a front-drive car
here so the weight, turning forces, and drive power are all on the front
tires placing more stress and wear on them than the rear tires.
Front-drivers are notorious understeerers too and not overly prone to
oversteer. Since the fronts wear faster than the rears on all
front-drivers, the logic above (best on back) would dictate that you would
never therefore rotate the tires on a front driver...you would wear out
the fronts, then move the rears to the front, and buy new ones for the
back. We all know that isn't the case.
It depends on if you can really drive or not. The safety issue is the
worn rears breaking loose in winter because they have less traction .
Its not about stopping. It about going around corners and having the
rear slide out . Because the fronts have more traction. However if you
can drive sideways . Like a sprint car. And turn the steering wheel the
correct way. You can get around faster and its more fun too. Everyone
doesn't loose control. (per the poster above. ) But if you just mosey
around, Are an oblivious driver, And have no idea what's going on
around you. Or cant or wont respond quick. Or have trouble with the idea
of driving being work. Then forget what I said. And put the new tires on
the back. Wear out the fronts. Buy two new ones and put them on the
back. And move the rears to the front. As far as wear goes. Assuming I
am starting from new. I wear my fronts down halfway. Rotate them front
to back . Wear the fronts down all the way . At which time one or two
are gone. or have plugs, cuts, or dry rotting maybe . I buy four new
ones and keep the best of the worn ones as a spare.


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Matt B. 7 March 2008 08:51:09 [ permanent link ]
 "none2u" <none2u@notrealatal­l.bye> wrote in message
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It depends on if you can really drive or not. The safety issue is the
worn rears breaking loose in winter because they have less traction .
Its not about stopping. It about going around corners and having the
rear slide out . Because the fronts have more traction. However if you
can drive sideways . Like a sprint car. And turn the steering wheel the
correct way. You can get around faster and its more fun too. Everyone
doesn't loose control. (per the poster above. ) But if you just mosey
around, Are an oblivious driver, And have no idea what's going on
around you. Or cant or wont respond quick. Or have trouble with the
idea of driving being work. Then forget what I said. And put the new
tires on the back. Wear out the fronts. Buy two new ones and put them
on the back. And move the rears to the front. As far as wear goes.
Assuming I am starting from new. I wear my fronts down halfway.
Rotate them front to back . Wear the fronts down all the way . At which
time one or two are gone. or have plugs, cuts, or dry rotting maybe .
I buy four new ones and keep the best of the worn ones as a spare.

IIRC we're talking about a late model Passat here...a car likely to have ABS
and possibly even stability control. It's already designed to help you out
quite a bit. I'd keep the best ones on the front where the weight is and
let the car deal with the rest.


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John McCoy 9 August 2008 19:18:55 [ permanent link ]
 SG <spaamtrapper@yahoo­.com> wrote in
news:t4Kdnaaz7ajpNw­DVnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@c­omcast.com:

From N.com article discussing the rain tires for Cup at WG this
weekend.
http://www.nascar.c­om/2008/news/headlin­es/cup/08/08/no.cup.­rain.tires.y
et/2.html
If that decision were made, it would take extra work for Goodyear to
create the tires for a Cup application. Heinrich said the Sprint Cup
tire for NASCAR's new car had a greater circumference than the tire
used on the Nationwide cars.

<...>

How can the new car have a greater circumference at one track then use
the same one at another? What am I missing? Are the tire "codes" in
construction only, but still a different size with respect to each
series? I thought that they all used the same tire for the weekend,
i.e. that Cup teams and NW teams could use the same tires if need be.

It's possible that the rain tires (which are ~8 years old) were
made to a smaller circumference than what they use today, which
would somehow be an issue for the Cup cars (splitter hitting the
ground, perhaps?). Note that difference is likely to be an inch
or less.

However, it's much more likely that the explanation is just BS,
to cover for the fact that NASCAR simply doesn't want to run the
Cup cars in the rain. Compare the above with NASCAR's story on
why the Cup won't use rain tires: "with the Cup series, we have
the option of running on Monday or Tuesday if the race can't be
completed on Sunday. With the Nationwide series, we don't have
that option". Of course, rained out Nationwide races have been
run on Monday before now, so that rationale is pretty suspect.

John

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