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CarGuru > Driving > Re: Are turn signals compulsory by law? 2 February 2005 09:55:54
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Re: Are turn signals compulsory by law?

Tcs 23 January 2005 08:32:49
 On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:20:32 -0600, Andrew J Rozsa <rozsa@usa.invalid>­ wrote:>Many years ago, while living in California, I had a heated argument>with a friend who stated that, “making turns signals to indicate>intent to make a turn – left or right – is NOT compulsory by law nor

Most of us signal because we don't like having two tons of fast moving
metal slam into the side of our vehicles. Ruins your entire day.

Wether or not the law makes signaling mandatory is a really shitty
reason to signal.

Do it so that others will have the slightest clue of your intentions.
It might save your life.

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Doug Warner 23 January 2005 04:11:07 [ permanent link ]
 Andrew J. Rozsa <rozsa@usa.invalid>­ wrote:

used to be accepted standard. Yesterday I had another heated argument>with a friend who stated that, “if you are in a must-turn lane (left)>not only is it not compulsory to make a left turn signals, but you>should not make a signal because it’s not necessary and it confuses>other drivers.”>

Here's a reason to use signals in must-turn lanes. At one
intersection, I was in the left turn lane at the light. On the
opposite side of the intersection, there were two left turn lanes,
which I couldn't see. bacause I was downhill from the intersection and
couldn't see any of the lane markings.
When my left arrow went green, I started off, but then, it appeared
that cars from the through lane were proceeding through the
intersection, into my left-turn path. This caused me to brake and
turn to the right to avoid their apparent path.
Shortly afterward, the oncoming cars began their wide turn to the
left, and I realized that two of the three oncoming lanes were
left-only. The innermost of those lanes forces the drivers to make a
wide turn into the right lane of the crossroad, so initially, it looks
like they're coming straight across. If they were using their
signals, I wouldn't have been suprised.
Because of this, I always use my signals in left-only situations.

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Magnulus 23 January 2005 09:43:34 [ permanent link ]
 Signaling is good. It makes me less nervous when somebody signals. What
makes me really nervous are the idiots who think it's NASCAR drafting and
they weave through the pack of cars with nary a signal one.


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The Original Dirty Sanchez 23 January 2005 14:39:13 [ permanent link ]
 Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
<snip>>
My question refers to North America, more specifically US, although I> would be really interested in insights (or opinions) from Canada,> Europe, and Australia.>
Best,>
Andrew>

Typically in my experience on Australian roads, most drivers will
indicate for absolutely everything. The other day I was waiting to turn
right at some traffic lights in a right turn only lane, and the ~2 dozen
other vehicles who were also waiting to turn all had their indicators on.

I indicate for everything out of habit. Even if indicating isn't really
needed in a particular situation, I will still turn my blinker on so
that other road users are not left in any doubt as to what I'm about to do.

Drivers from large cities will fail to indicate far more than drivers
from the country, but that is characteristic of the MFFY attitude in
large cities all over the world.
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Scott en Aztlán 23 January 2005 19:53:03 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:20:32 -0600, Andrew J. Rozsa
<rozsa@usa.invalid>­ wrote:
Many years ago, while living in California, I had a heated argument>with a friend who stated that, “making turns signals to indicate>intent to make a turn – left or right – is NOT compulsory by law nor>is it mandated in the Motor Vehicle Code.” That was before the>Internet, so there was no way to verify his argument.

Of course, there is now:

http://www.dmv.ca.g­ov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc­22107.htm

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Scott en Aztln 23 January 2005 19:54:59 [ permanent link ]
 On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:43:34 -0500, "magnulus"
<magnulus@bellsouth­.net> wrote:
Signaling is good. It makes me less nervous when somebody signals.

If I see a car driving down a straight road with his turn signal on
for mile after mile, it makes me MORE nervous.

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Tcs 24 January 2005 06:04:58 [ permanent link ]
 On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:54:59 -0800, Scott en Aztlán <slothkills@NOyahoo­SPAM.com> wrote:>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:43:34 -0500, "magnulus"><magnulu­s@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Signaling is good. It makes me less nervous when somebody signals.
If I see a car driving down a straight road with his turn signal on>for mile after mile, it makes me MORE nervous.

As it should. It means the car doesn't have a functioning driver.


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Andrew J . Rozsa 24 January 2005 22:08:00 [ permanent link ]
 On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:53:03 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
<slothkills@NOyahoo­SPAM.com> wrote:
:|­On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:20:32 -0600, Andrew J. Rozsa>:|<rozsa@usa.­invalid> wrote:
:|­>is it mandated in the Motor Vehicle Code.” That was before the>:|>Internet, so there was no way to verify his argument. >:|>:|Of course, there is now:>:|>:|http://ww­w.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vc­top/d11/vc22107.htm

:-)­

Excellent, thank you.

Of course, there is that part that leaves decision making to the
judgment of the individual - "in the event any other vehicle may be
affected by the movement." I am frequently amazed how this is
"interpreted" by many fellow drivers. :-(­ Considering that we
literally put our lives in their hands, it's disconcerting. Yikes!


Best,

Andrew

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Daniel J. Stern 25 January 2005 22:39:42 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, lenny fackler wrote:
What bugs me are people who don't bother to signal that they're moving> into the turn lane, yet somehow find it necessary to hit the blinker> just before they make the turn through a green arrow.

...or the "victory flashers" who signal only once they've got halfway
*through* the turn or lane change...
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Doug Warner 26 January 2005 07:13:58 [ permanent link ]
 remove22@sonic.net (Timothy J. Lee) wrote:
They can only successfully block you out if you are a "line cutter" trying>to make a lane change that will make them an involuntary tailgater. If>you make lane changes such that the vehicle behind is far back enough so>that it will not be an involuntary tailgater when you are done, the vehicle>is too far back to block you out, regardless of whether you signal.

Thank you.. I keep trying to explain this to people at work and they
just don't get it. I just make sure I can see both headlights of the
car I'm pulling in front of, though my inside mirror, then I change
lanes immediately. I never get cut off, and I signal every time.

One day, I'll probably get blocked by a Viper driver with instant
reflexes

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Scott en Aztln 2 February 2005 07:28:24 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:13:25 -0800, Usual Suspect
<invalid@email.addr­ess.com> wrote:
For the record, I usually try to make room for people who signal their>intension to change lanes.

You're an enabler, and you're doing all of us who actually know how to
drive a major disservice.

By slowing down and making room for someone who wants to change lanes,
you give these people the idea that it's OK to make poor lane changes;
this will only encourage more of the same poor behavior.

What you SHOULD do is continue driving at whatever speed you were
driving before you saw their signal. This will teach them to either
match the speed of traffic that is already in the lane they wish to
enter, or, if they insist on being sloths, at least they will expect
to have to wait their turn and merge in BEHIND you instead of forcing
you to compensate for their incompetence.

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Scott en Aztln 2 February 2005 09:55:54 [ permanent link ]
 On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 04:06:43 GMT, Arif Khokar <akhokar1234@wvu.ed­u>
wrote:
Also, I don't have to depend on people making gaps for me when I need to >merge or change lanes. I only signal when I know I can actually change >lanes.

BINGO.

Unfortunately, what you see in 99 out of 100 cases is a driver who a)
slows down, b) flicks on the turn signal, and then c) delays everybody
in the lane behind them while they wait for someone in their target
lane to "let them in." These folks cause all kinds of needless
waiting. If, instead, they would do as you and I do, NOBODY would be
delayed - not the drivers in the lane behind them, not the drivers in
their target lane, and not the mergers themselves. What a pity most
people just don't get it.

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