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CarGuru > Open discussion > Re: Simbin's GT Legends 13 April 2005 14:27:17
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Re: Simbin's GT Legends

Steve Smith 9 April 2005 16:16:40
 Sounds clueless. They babble on abt. "Yoken" Maas (I presume they mean the
great German driver Jochen Maas) and duelling Mercedes-Benz 300SLs, which
were ten years gone in the time-frames mentioned in the squib ('65, '75).
Too bad abt. the lack of historic tracks (I would KILL for some period
tracks--Solitude, Riverside, Zandvoort, Bridgehampton, Lime Rock, Oulton
Park--if they were compatible with GTR), but if I never see another Ford
Capri again it'll be too soon.

"jason moyer" <jmoyer@pair.com> wrote in message
news:1113030120.706­225.189070@o13g2000c­wo.googlegroups.com.­..>
http://www.fia-hist­oric-racing.com/en/n­ews/news-archive/200­50408/index.html>
Wish it were a true historic sim, but having the cars is good enough.>


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Robin Lord 9 April 2005 16:38:25 [ permanent link ]
 Steve Smith wrote:> Sounds clueless. They babble on abt. "Yoken" Maas

Looks like its been run through a bad web translator, original german
version here
http://www.fia-hist­oric-racing.com/de/a­ktuelles/news-archiv­/20050408/index.html­

--

Robin


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Jan Verschueren 9 April 2005 16:49:29 [ permanent link ]
 "Steve Smith" wrote...> Sounds clueless. They babble on abt. "Yoken" Maas (I presume> they mean the great German driver Jochen Maas)

The spelling on that site is indeed atrocious.
and duelling Mercedes-Benz 300SLs, which were ten years gone in the> time-frames mentioned in the squib ('65, '75).

I think they mean Mercedes-Benz 300SEs (the 3-box saloon), of which there
are still quite a few kicking about in the historic categories.
Too bad abt. the lack of historic tracks (I would KILL for some> period tracks--Solitude, Riverside, Zandvoort, Bridgehampton,> Lime Rock, Oulton Park--if they were compatible with GTR), but> if I never see another Ford Capri again it'll be too soon.

nuthin' wrong with a Capri, mate... compared to a Vauxhall Magnum, that is.
;-)­

Jan.
=---


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Steve Smith 9 April 2005 17:57:37 [ permanent link ]
 Somebody seriously raced 300SE sedans? Sheesh, they might as well race
170Ds, Checker Marathons, or Trabbies. Not the stuff great sims are made
of....

"Jan Verschueren" <jan.verschuerenNO@­SPAMpandora.be> wrote in message
news:tbQ5e.59903$Jj­6.4288577@phobos.tel­enet-ops.be...> "Steve Smith" wrote...> > Sounds clueless. They babble on abt. "Yoken" Maas (I presume> > they mean the great German driver Jochen Maas)>
The spelling on that site is indeed atrocious.>
and duelling Mercedes-Benz 300SLs, which were ten years gone in the> > time-frames mentioned in the squib ('65, '75).>
I think they mean Mercedes-Benz 300SEs (the 3-box saloon), of which there> are still quite a few kicking about in the historic categories.>
Too bad abt. the lack of historic tracks (I would KILL for some> > period tracks--Solitude, Riverside, Zandvoort, Bridgehampton,> > Lime Rock, Oulton Park--if they were compatible with GTR), but> > if I never see another Ford Capri again it'll be too soon.>
nuthin' wrong with a Capri, mate... compared to a Vauxhall Magnum, that
is.> ;-)­>
Jan.> =--- >


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Joachim Trensz 10 April 2005 00:36:46 [ permanent link ]
 Steve Smith wrote:> Somebody seriously raced 300SE sedans?

I once even saw someone drive an automatic transmission Opel Admiral or Kapitän
(I forget which of the two) in a race at the Norisring - a long time ago, of
course :)­

Achim
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Steve Smith 10 April 2005 17:49:30 [ permanent link ]
 OTOH, I remember seeing Jim Clark driving the sh*t out of a Lotus Cortina
once - electrifying!

"jason moyer" <jmoyer@pair.com> wrote in message
news:1113101352.723­373.142850@g14g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com.­..> Steve Smith wrote:> > Somebody seriously raced 300SE sedans? Sheesh, they might as well> race> > 170Ds, Checker Marathons, or Trabbies. Not the stuff great sims are> made> > of....>
Well, it is a European historic sports car series. I mean, we're> talking about the same group of people who consider the Escort a> classic racing car. =)>


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Bruce Kennewell 11 April 2005 06:53:41 [ permanent link ]
 ...And that was his first race meeting in the car too, Steve!

Bruce.

"Steve Smith" <blowbackNOSPAM@roc­hester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:K9a6e.982$%v6.­804@twister.nyroc.rr­.com...> OTOH, I remember seeing Jim Clark driving the sh*t out of a Lotus Cortina> once - electrifying!>


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AndyC 11 April 2005 11:05:51 [ permanent link ]
 "jason moyer" <jmoyer@pair.com> wrote in message
news:1113030120.706­225.189070@o13g2000c­wo.googlegroups.com.­..> http://www.fia-hist­oric-racing.com/en/n­ews/news-archive/200­50408/index.html>
Wish it were a true historic sim, but having the cars is good enough.>

I think a few of these cars can be found in GT4 (eventually) and more likely
in Enthusia (which is getting West Racing'esq in it's communication of it's
release date)...
Link to Enthusia's car list: http://tinyurl.com/­6y47d
There's a natty car "search" flash plug-in thingamebob too.

Regards,
AndyC


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Dave 12 April 2005 04:14:37 [ permanent link ]
 In article <1113251883.946290.­25100@l41g2000cwc.go­oglegroups.com>, "jason moyer" <jmoyer@pair.com> wrote:>AndyC wrote:>
I think a few of these cars can be found in GT4>
A game I have no interest in playing, oddly enough.

Thanks for sharing.
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Stephen F. 12 April 2005 10:38:58 [ permanent link ]
 
"Steve Smith" <blowbackNOSPAM@roc­hester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lbR5e.135$b92.­43@twister.nyroc.rr.­com...> Somebody seriously raced 300SE sedans? Sheesh, they might as well race> 170Ds, Checker Marathons, or Trabbies. Not the stuff great sims are made> of....>

It was the 300SEL 6.8, and marked the entry of AMG into the game. This car
won the 24hours of Spa. The next in line was the monstrous 450 SLC coupe.
Since this is a grand touring sim, I don't see the problem, and I would bet
that any of these would be an interesting handful to drive and would
definitely be the stuff of a great sim. The battles on the European touring
car circuit in the early to mid 70s were legendary, and I would be happy to
turn a few laps in any of those cars.

http://www.amg-clas­sics.de/4650.html
http://www.amg-clas­sics.de/4866.html

Stephen


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Stephen F. 12 April 2005 10:46:01 [ permanent link ]
 
"Steve Smith" <blowbackNOSPAM@roc­hester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:IIP5e.176$%v6.­67@twister.nyroc.rr.­com...> ...but if I never see another Ford Capri again it'll be too soon.>

You're kidding me, right? The Cosworth Capri vs. the BMW 3.0 CSL
"Batmobile" was THE battle in GT/Touring Car racing in Europe in the 70s.
It was a seriously good racing car by the time it matured. Considering what
we North Americans had done to the poor Mustang by the time the mid-70s
arrived, I would argue that the boys from Cologne actually made a much
better pony car than we did in that period. From '75 on the roadgoing Capri
lost its way, but what car didn't?

Stephen


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Stephen F. 12 April 2005 10:49:31 [ permanent link ]
 
"jason moyer" <jmoyer@pair.com> wrote in message
news:1113101352.723­373.142850@g14g2000c­wa.googlegroups.com.­..>
Well, it is a European historic sports car series. I mean, we're> talking about the same group of people who consider the Escort a> classic racing car. =)>

I feel like the Ford apologist today... :-)­

Let's not confuse the North American Escort (cockroach on wheels) with the
European models. The original RWD Escort RS2000 won the World Rally
Championship and the Escort had a pretty strong record in 1970s touring car
racing. Having had a brisk drive in an original Escort race car, I would
say it's a pretty well sorted car, easily the equal of the contemporary Alfa
GTs and BMW 2002s.

Stephen


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Mika Takala 12 April 2005 21:41:56 [ permanent link ]
 
Wish it were a true historic sim, but having the cars is good enough.

Mee too. The Historic championships run on mostly modern tyres, so the car
handling will also be very different than that it was when the cars were
raced for real. And having the tracks would be nice, I haven't got much
interest in racing mostly slower-than-GTR cars on the same chicane-infected
tracks.

--
Mika Takala


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Dave 13 April 2005 03:57:56 [ permanent link ]
 In article <1113325884.818710.­28200@z14g2000cwz.go­oglegroups.com>, "jason moyer" <jmoyer@pair.com> wrote:>Dave wrote:>> In article <1113251883.946290.­25100@l41g2000cwc.go­oglegroups.com>,>"ja­son moyer" <jmoyer@pair.com> wrote:>> >AndyC wrote:>> >
I think a few of these cars can be found in GT4>> >
A game I have no interest in playing, oddly enough.>>
Thanks for sharing.>
Glad I could oblige!

In all seriousness and fairness, have you tried it? I can
understand some trying and not liking. Fine, that's ones choice
and opinion. But a lot of folk just refuse to consider it
at all, presumably from close minded PC snobbery. Again, that is
their choice ... and likely their loss. If you haven't, try it
with a decent wheel (Logi Driving Force Pro, or even the basic DF
feedback wheel). Take a car like the Miata on the 'Ring. Or
probably dozens of others you have experience with. Many
owners and experienced racers say it is convincing. Take the
Yellowbird Ruf Porsche and feel the responsiveness of the back
end.

The AI sucks. There is no cockpit shown. There is no damage.
Maybe this kills it for you. So be it. But there is an whole lot
of good stuff that remains. And no game (which all of our sims
are) does the rest quite like GT4.
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Bruce Kennewell 13 April 2005 12:55:52 [ permanent link ]
 I aspire to own the Chaparral 'D', Andy, and take it around the circuit on
which it won....Nurburgring.­ :)­

Bruce.

"AndyC" <invalid@invalid.in­valid> wrote in message
news:d3ihk0$3d4$1@n­ewsfeed.th.ifl.net..­.>
Wait till you're hammering down the mulsane straight in a Gt1 car...
Marvellous.


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AndyC 13 April 2005 14:27:17 [ permanent link ]
 
"Bruce Kennewell" <bhk@netspeed.com.a­u> wrote in message
news:425cdeda@mail.­netspeed.com.au...>I­ aspire to own the Chaparral 'D', Andy, and take it around the circuit on> which it won....Nurburgring.­ :)­>
Bruce.

Indeed.
I think it's a top addition to gaming - the introduction of some of the more
legendary cars.


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