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anyone have similar experience with the Driving Force Pro to me?
Guest 27 February 2005 03:38:02
	All I'm hearing is how great Logitech's Driving Force Pro is, yet my experience is that it is awful. I first tried it with Need for Speed Underground 2. Basically, up until about 40 miles an hour there is no noticeable force feedback. Above 40, there is no feedback for about two inches of turning in either direction but very hard feedback outside of that. This is completely unlike my experience with the original Driving Force of the MOMO wheels, and I hate it. It does not in any way reflect what it feels like to drive a car. It seemed so awful I even exchanged it but the new one was the same way so apparently that is just what they are like. I tried it with GT4 but could not control the car at all, and while I could think that is just because it takes some getting used to, the fact that it was so awful with NFSU2 makes me very suspicious of the wheel. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Why does everyone like this wheel so much?
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The.Internet.User@Gmail.Com 27 February 2005 04:10:13 [ permanent link ]
	It's working great for me in GT4. There's a little play in the wheel, but that's all. It's anything but hard to control the cars in the GT4. In fact, I can place the car on the track with a great deal of precision. Which you really need when passing the AI since they're not the smartest things on the track. BTW, the only settings I've changed in GT4 are the driving asists and there is a setting that reduces the amount of force feedback when making rapid turns. Not sure of the name of that setting, but I've turned it off.
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Mike King 27 February 2005 15:58:06 [ permanent link ]
	cherold@gmail.com wrote in news:1109461082.229480.106380 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Why does everyone like this> wheel so much?> I just picked one up last week, to replace my aging Formula Force, and it's been doing dual duty on my pc and PS2. I have used it on NR2003, RBR, LFS and GT4, WRC. I'm pretty happy with it. I haven't noticed any of the issues you mentioned. It is a little different than my old wheel, but I have not complaints.
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Mikko Lahikainen 4 March 2005 23:36:49 [ permanent link ]
	cherold@gmail.com wrote:> All I'm hearing is how great Logitech's Driving Force Pro is, yet my> experience is that it is awful. I first tried it with Need for Speed> Underground 2. Basically, up until about 40 miles an hour there is noticeable force feedback. Above 40, there is no feedback for about> two inches of turning in either direction but very hard feedback> outside of that. This is completely unlike my experience with the> original Driving Force of the MOMO wheels, and I hate it. It does in any way reflect what it feels like to drive a car. It seemed so> awful I even exchanged it but the new one was the same way so> apparently that is just what they are like. I tried it with GT4 but> could not control the car at all, and while I could think that is just> because it takes some getting used to, the fact that it was so awful> with NFSU2 makes me very suspicious of the wheel.> Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Why does everyone like this> wheel so much? Hello, You got that absolutely right, been wondering whether someone else noticed this problem. I bought the same Logitech's Driving Force Pro with high hopes. And had exactly the same problems. Tried with toca, wrc, gt3 ja gt4 prologue. ( I tested the same games with an old logitech gt force and momo force. Everything worked smoothly with those two wheels. ) If you turn the wheel quickly enough you might not get force feedback until you have turned about 4 inches. Same thing happened with all the games mentioned above. I returned the wheel and the dealer insisted that I try another one but it didn't help either. Got a refund and been playing with the original gt force and momo force wheels. Some reports indicate that atleast in the Japanese version of GT4 the momo force is not supported. http://www.firingsquad.com/games/gran_turismo_4/page5.asp It is possible that some Logitech's Driving Force Pro wheels are defective, gotta buy another one and try that after gt4 is released. If the situation remains the same, someone might make a mod for Momo force to make it look like GT force for the game. -Mikko L
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Guest 11 March 2005 03:55:16 [ permanent link ]
	Yeah, MOMO doesn't work with GT4, which is a shame. But I did get used to using the DFP with GT4 and it really is an interesting experience once you get used to the 900 degree steering. It turns out you can use the 900-degree steering with Need For Speed Underground 2 also, but that unfortunately doesn't fix the force feedback issues. I do think the MOMO handled force feedback better for any of the PS2 games I've tried it with, even though it's a PC wheel. I have the red one with the leather wheel, and I'm very sad whenever a racing game doesn't support it.
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Crusty 16 March 2005 19:07:09 [ permanent link ]
	In Need For Speed Underground 2 for PS2 there are extensive options to set up your wheel's force. One setting in particular will make the force stronger around center position, but not elsewhere. But the drawback is that in case you let go the wheel it will become unstable (which is why the default setting may feel a bit soft around center). And another setting I believe will decrease overall force strength. So you should be able to set it up exactly the way you like. If you are using the PC version this does not apply since the Driving Force Pro is not meant to be a PC wheel and the game wasn't tweaked with it. One reason why the wheel may feel like there is no force around center is because the mechanics and electronics have been improved so there is no motor friction. This way the wheel moves freely in case there is very little force. Now if you swerve back and forth in games like NFSU2 or GT4 where the friction of the car's wheels are directly tied to the wheel, there will be a moment around center where you are actually moving along the force generated by the game which gives the impression that there is no force at all. On older wheels you would get some motor friction which would give the impression that there is some dampening or spring force going on. Dunno if that's very clear but hope it helps anyways...
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Pez 16 March 2005 21:16:43 [ permanent link ]
	its the best PC wheel ive used (with the new drivers), and that includes hi end non FF stuff. pez "crusty" <juncki@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1110985629.366177.213550@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> In Need For Speed Underground 2 for PS2 there are extensive options to> set up your wheel's force. One setting in particular will make the> force stronger around center position, but not elsewhere. But the> drawback is that in case you let go the wheel it will become unstable> (which is why the default setting may feel a bit soft around center).> And another setting I believe will decrease overall force strength. So> you should be able to set it up exactly the way you like.> If you are using the PC version this does not apply since the Driving> Force Pro is not meant to be a PC wheel and the game wasn't tweaked> with it.> One reason why the wheel may feel like there is no force around center> is because the mechanics and electronics have been improved so there is> no motor friction. This way the wheel moves freely in case there is> very little force. Now if you swerve back and forth in games like NFSU2> or GT4 where the friction of the car's wheels are directly tied to the> wheel, there will be a moment around center where you are actually> moving along the force generated by the game which gives the impression> that there is no force at all. On older wheels you would get some motor> friction which would give the impression that there is some dampening> or spring force going on.> Dunno if that's very clear but hope it helps anyways...>
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Pez 16 March 2005 23:13:49 [ permanent link ]
	ignore that last post, i didnt read your post properly. pez "Pez" <pez@uhuh.uhuh> wrote in message news:423869f6$0$16784$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...> its the best PC wheel ive used (with the new drivers), and that includes end non FF stuff.> "crusty" <juncki@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:1110985629.366177.213550@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> > In Need For Speed Underground 2 for PS2 there are extensive options to> > set up your wheel's force. One setting in particular will make the> > force stronger around center position, but not elsewhere. But the> > drawback is that in case you let go the wheel it will become unstable> > (which is why the default setting may feel a bit soft around center).> > And another setting I believe will decrease overall force strength. So> > you should be able to set it up exactly the way you like.> > If you are using the PC version this does not apply since the Driving> > Force Pro is not meant to be a PC wheel and the game wasn't tweaked> > with it.> > One reason why the wheel may feel like there is no force around center> > is because the mechanics and electronics have been improved so there is> > no motor friction. This way the wheel moves freely in case there is> > very little force. Now if you swerve back and forth in games like NFSU2> > or GT4 where the friction of the car's wheels are directly tied to the> > wheel, there will be a moment around center where you are actually> > moving along the force generated by the game which gives the impression> > that there is no force at all. On older wheels you would get some motor> > friction which would give the impression that there is some dampening> > or spring force going on.> > Dunno if that's very clear but hope it helps anyways...> >
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Mikko Lahikainen 18 March 2005 19:53:32 [ permanent link ]
	crusty wrote:> One reason why the wheel may feel like there is no force around center> is because the mechanics and electronics have been improved so there no motor friction. This way the wheel moves freely in case there is> very little force. Now if you swerve back and forth in games like NFSU2> or GT4 where the friction of the car's wheels are directly tied to wheel, there will be a moment around center where you are actually> moving along the force generated by the game which gives the impression> that there is no force at all. On older wheels you would get some motor> friction which would give the impression that there is some dampening> or spring force going on.> Dunno if that's very clear but hope it helps anyways... At first we though that this might be a design "feature" too. But the "lag" in force feedback is evident especially in the corners. -> You turn to the left and have oversteering -> try to correct it by turning to the right and the lag is there. The amount of lag depends on how fast you turn to the opposite direction. If you turn quite slowly, you might experience less than an inch of "lag" in FF but if you turn quickly, you might have more that 4 inches of "lag". The lag means here the amount of inches that you can turn the wheel until the force feedback kicks in (and it kicks in quite heavily). The two Driving Force wheels that we some early units. It's possible that logitech have corrected this. -Mikko L
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