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cylinder head is knackered how much to replace?

Colin Mckechnie 3 May 2005 00:56:55
 rover 416i.e apparantly known problem had some horror quotes on the phone
today thought id check here


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Darren Jarvis 3 May 2005 01:34:39 permanent link ]
 
"Colin Mckechnie" <colin.mckechnie3@n­tlworld.com> wrote in message
news:ruwde.16295$Y4­6.15093@newsfe1-win.­ntli.net...> rover 416i.e apparantly known problem had some horror quotes on the phone > today thought id check here

Only the new shape 400 series (i.e. the Honda Civic based model) used a K
series 1.6 engine. If it's the original three box shape (up to about 1995)
then it'll have a Honda 1.6 engine which is not known for head trouble...

Darren


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Colin Mckechnie 3 May 2005 01:43:58 permanent link ]
 
"Darren Jarvis" <nospam:dkj255@hotm­ail.com> wrote in message
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"Colin Mckechnie" <colin.mckechnie3@n­tlworld.com> wrote in message > news:ruwde.16295$Y4­6.15093@newsfe1-win.­ntli.net...>> rover 416i.e apparantly known problem had some horror quotes on the phone >> today thought id check here>
Only the new shape 400 series (i.e. the Honda Civic based model) used a K > series 1.6 engine. If it's the original three box shape (up to about > 1995) then it'll have a Honda 1.6 engine which is not known for head > trouble...>
Darren>

its the civic shape V reg 1999 had it for yonks and got 110,000 miles of
carefree motoring out of it... been a great runner... just curious to know
how much it should cost


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Depresion 3 May 2005 01:48:30 permanent link ]
 
"Colin Mckechnie" <colin.mckechnie3@n­tlworld.com> wrote in message
news:yaxde.16299$Y4­6.5613@newsfe1-win.n­tli.net...>
"Darren Jarvis" <nospam:dkj255@hotm­ail.com> wrote in message > news:P­1xde.16297$Y4­6.6086@newsfe1-win.n­tli.net...>>
"Colin Mckechnie" <colin.mckechnie3@n­tlworld.com> wrote in message >> news:ruwde.16295$Y4­6.15093@newsfe1-win.­ntli.net...>>> rover 416i.e apparantly known problem had some horror quotes on the phone >>> today thought id check here>>
Only the new shape 400 series (i.e. the Honda Civic based model) used a K >> series 1.6 engine. If it's the original three box shape (up to about 1995) >> then it'll have a Honda 1.6 engine which is not known for head trouble...>>
Darren>>
its the civic shape V reg 1999 had it for yonks and got 110,000 miles of > carefree motoring out of it... been a great runner... just curious to know how > much it should cost

Hard to say without knowing what's actually happened inside the engine.You are
probably looking at £2-300 for the labour in removing and refitting the head but
that's not to say more work won't be needed.


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Mike Tomlinson 3 May 2005 10:48:36 permanent link ]
 In article <12gfvxw3kb9jn$.pxi­7nx0aaq7g$.dlg@40tud­e.net>, Chris Street
<venus.ngfb@chris-s­treet.demon.co.uk> writes
I know two people who have wrecked Saabs - one threw a timing chain and the>other threw a rod (for what reason I know not).

The only engine I've seen throw a rod is the one in a Maestro van.
Think the lump might have been based on the A-series engine, judging
from what I remember of its size and shape. The rod came out through
the front of the block.



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Colin Stamp 3 May 2005 13:18:26 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 3 May 2005 07:48:36 +0100, Mike Tomlinson
<mike@NOSPAM.jasper­.org.uk> wrote:
In article <12gfvxw3kb9jn$.pxi­7nx0aaq7g$.dlg@40tud­e.net>, Chris Street><venus.ngfb@­chris-street.demon.c­o.uk> writes>
I know two people who have wrecked Saabs - one threw a timing chain and the>>other threw a rod (for what reason I know not).>
The only engine I've seen throw a rod is the one in a Maestro van.>Think the lump might have been based on the A-series engine, judging>from what I remember of its size and shape. The rod came out through>the front of the block.>
Reminds me of the 1.8 CVH Sierra I once bought from a scrappy. They
told me the engine was "playing up".

http://www.stamp.pl­us.com/temp/sump.jpg­

Cheers,

Colin.
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Guy King 3 May 2005 14:56:54 permanent link ]
 The message <5bge71lkqnd5etphnk­jfag658ckjvbtde8@4ax­.com>
from Colin Stamp <col.dustbin@stamp.­plus.com> contains these words:
Reminds me of the 1.8 CVH Sierra I once bought from a scrappy. They> told me the engine was "playing up".

I wonder if that counts as "playing up" for Trades Descriptions purposes!

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."


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Mike Tomlinson 3 May 2005 21:54:17 permanent link ]
 In article <5bge71lkqnd5etphnk­jfag658ckjvbtde8@4ax­.com>, Colin Stamp
<col.dustbin@stamp.­plus.com> writes
Reminds me of the 1.8 CVH Sierra I once bought from a scrappy. They>told me the engine was "playing up".>

What is it that's come through the sump? A big end shell?



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Colin Stamp 3 May 2005 22:47:24 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 3 May 2005 18:54:17 +0100, Mike Tomlinson
<mike@NOSPAM.jasper­.org.uk> wrote:
In article <5bge71lkqnd5etphnk­jfag658ckjvbtde8@4ax­.com>, Colin Stamp><col.dustbin@­stamp.plus.com> writes>
Reminds me of the 1.8 CVH Sierra I once bought from a scrappy. They>>told me the engine was "playing up".>>
What is it that's come through the sump? A big end shell?>

Yep - the half on the rod. I'm assuming the bolts snapped and the rod
dangled for an instant before being smacked sideways next time the
crank came round. Luckily the engine wasn't on the list of bits I
wanted from the car. It made it interesting getting it on the ramps to
get the gearbox and diff out though. I discovered that Sierra starters
are surprisingly torquey.

Cheers,

Colin.

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Guy King 3 May 2005 23:01:22 permanent link ]
 The message <esl0P6HJr7dCFwKv@j­asper.org.uk>
from Mike Tomlinson <mike@NOSPAM.jasper­.org.uk> contains these words:
What is it that's come through the sump? A big end shell?

Still attached to the con-rod, I'd say.

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Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."


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Chris Street 4 May 2005 01:25:18 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 03 May 2005 10:18:26 +0100, Colin Stamp wrote:
On Tue, 3 May 2005 07:48:36 +0100, Mike Tomlinson> <mike@NOSPAM.jasper­.org.uk> wrote:>
In article <12gfvxw3kb9jn$.pxi­7nx0aaq7g$.dlg@40tud­e.net>, Chris Street>><venus.ngfb­@chris-street.demon.­co.uk> writes>>
I know two people who have wrecked Saabs - one threw a timing chain and the>>>other threw a rod (for what reason I know not).>>
The only engine I've seen throw a rod is the one in a Maestro van.>>Think the lump might have been based on the A-series engine, judging>>from what I remember of its size and shape. The rod came out through>>the front of the block.>>
Reminds me of the 1.8 CVH Sierra I once bought from a scrappy. They> told me the engine was "playing up".>
Cheers,>
Colin.

Oooh nasty. Still attached to the rod was it? Funny angle as well - judging
from the scoring the crank was stuffed to or did you noth bother stripping
it down that far to have a look?
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Darren Jarvis 4 May 2005 12:02:08 permanent link ]
 
its the civic shape V reg 1999 had it for yonks and got 110,000 miles of > carefree motoring out of it... been a great runner... just curious to know > how much it should cost


Labour will cost you dearly (don't vote for them) so if you're comfortable
doing so, remove and refit the head yourself. Assuming the engine
overheated then the head will probably have warped in which case you'll need
to get the mating face skimmed flat again by an engineering co. If the
engine didn't overheat and there were no other symptoms then there's no
reason to suspect the head to be damaged as gasket failure is reasonably
common on these engines. Of course, regardless of the cause you should
thoroughly flush through the entire cooling system including heater matrix
and radiator.

I've never paid a garage to do engine work as I've always done it myself, so
I can't even begin to estimate at how much it should cost. However,
assuming it's just a gasket replacement and done yourself, I'd estimate
maybe £150 parts (which includes a new timing belt and head bolts). Of
course, if you don't repair it then the car is effectively scrap though
you'd probably get a few hundred from somebody willing to fix it themself.

Darren


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Colin Stamp 4 May 2005 13:23:33 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 3 May 2005 22:25:18 +0100, Chris Street
<venus.ngfb@chris-s­treet.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 03 May 2005 10:18:26 +0100, Colin Stamp wrote:>
On Tue, 3 May 2005 07:48:36 +0100, Mike Tomlinson>> <mike@NOSPAM.jasper­.org.uk> wrote:>>
In article <12gfvxw3kb9jn$.pxi­7nx0aaq7g$.dlg@40tud­e.net>, Chris Street>>><venus.ngf­b@chris-street.demon­.co.uk> writes>>>
I know two people who have wrecked Saabs - one threw a timing chain and the>>>>other threw a rod (for what reason I know not).>>>
The only engine I've seen throw a rod is the one in a Maestro van.>>>Think the lump might have been based on the A-series engine, judging>>>from what I remember of its size and shape. The rod came out through>>>the front of the block.>>>
Reminds me of the 1.8 CVH Sierra I once bought from a scrappy. They>> told me the engine was "playing up".>>
Cheers,>>
Colin.>
Oooh nasty. Still attached to the rod was it? Funny angle as well - judging>from the scoring the crank was stuffed to or did you noth bother stripping>it down that far to have a look?

I guessed the rod was still mostly in one piece, but I left well alone
after taking the photo, and went back to trying to work out how to get
the gearbox out without it falling on my chest - only *just* succeeded
there ;o).

Cheers,

Colin.
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James Dore 4 May 2005 13:39:19 permanent link ]
 In article <pj4h71dj37fmtkbim8­h19l8em915svjlnf@4ax­.com>,
col.dustbin@stamp.p­lus.com says...
I guessed the rod was still mostly in one piece, but I left well alone> after taking the photo, and went back to trying to work out how to get> the gearbox out without it falling on my chest - only *just* succeeded> there ;o).

Wind the front windows down. Put cardboard or carpet on the tops of the
doors. Rest a Scaffolding pole on the carpet. Fasten a sturdy rope or
chain to it. Thread this thru the gearlever hole, and bind up the
gearbox. If you've given yourself enough rope (har har) you can winch it
up and down :->

Note - not tried it meself, but I've seen my dad do it on other RWD
Fords (A Cortina was the last one though!)

cheers,
--
James Dore,
IT Officer,
New College
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Colin Stamp 5 May 2005 00:38:23 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 4 May 2005 10:39:19 +0100, James Dore
<james.dore@new.oxf­ord.ac.uk> wrote:
In article <pj4h71dj37fmtkbim8­h19l8em915svjlnf@4ax­.com>, >col.dustbin@stamp.­plus.com says...>
I guessed the rod was still mostly in one piece, but I left well alone>> after taking the photo, and went back to trying to work out how to get>> the gearbox out without it falling on my chest - only *just* succeeded>> there ;o).>
Wind the front windows down. Put cardboard or carpet on the tops of the >doors. Rest a Scaffolding pole on the carpet. Fasten a sturdy rope or >chain to it. Thread this thru the gearlever hole, and bind up the >gearbox. If you've given yourself enough rope (har har) you can winch it >up and down :->>
Note - not tried it meself, but I've seen my dad do it on other RWD >Fords (A Cortina was the last one though!)>
cheers,

Certainly a bit more elegant than the method I used...

1. Put trolley jack under gearbox.
2. Make wobbly pile of timber on top of jack to reach gearbox.
3. Pull box until input shaft clears clutch.
4. Box flops against tunnel side. Timber wobbles menacingly.
5. Place camping mat where you think box might land.
6. Retreat to other end of jack handle and open "down" valve.
7. Watch with satisfaction as box lands just where you expected.
8. Retrieve trolley jack from surprisingly long distance away.

As an aside I discovered that, once the gearbox is removed, it can be
completely drained of oil as follows.

1. Lay gearbox flat on clean garage floor.
2. Watch tailshaft for a minute or two. Observe that no oil emerges.
3. Place ridiculously small plastic bag over tailshaft "just in case"
4. Go to bed.
5. Open garage door in the morning to move gearbox.
6. Observe (from a fully horizontal position) that all oil has left
the box, with 20cc or so in the bag.

Cheers,

Colin.
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Chris Street 5 May 2005 02:04:48 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:38:23 +0100, Colin Stamp wrote:
1. Lay gearbox flat on clean garage floor.> 2. Watch tailshaft for a minute or two. Observe that no oil emerges.> 3. Place ridiculously small plastic bag over tailshaft "just in case" > 4. Go to bed.> 5. Open garage door in the morning to move gearbox.> 6. Observe (from a fully horizontal position) that all oil has left
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^­^^PMSL Slippy stuff innit?

I once made the mistake of stowing a cracked battery on an aluminium tray
in case it leaked. As a chemist you would have though I would have known
how dismal an idea that was - in my defence I did think it was stainless
though.
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Depresion 5 May 2005 03:28:30 permanent link ]
 
"Chris Street" <venus.ngfb@chris-s­treet.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1eju8icz831bz$­.ef2bau5u1zk4.dlg@40­tude.net...> On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:38:23 +0100, Colin Stamp wrote:>
1. Lay gearbox flat on clean garage floor.>> 2. Watch tailshaft for a minute or two. Observe that no oil emerges.>> 3. Place ridiculously small plastic bag over tailshaft "just in case">> 4. Go to bed.>> 5. Open garage door in the morning to move gearbox.>> 6. Observe (from a fully horizontal position) that all oil has left> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^­^^PMSL Slippy stuff innit?>
I once made the mistake of stowing a cracked battery on an aluminium tray> in case it leaked. As a chemist you would have though I would have known> how dismal an idea that was - in my defence I did think it was stainless> though.

You can't tell the difference between Steel and aluminium? Thank god your not a
chemist. (Oh never mind) ;)


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Chris Bolus 5 May 2005 03:43:21 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 4 May 2005 23:04:48 +0100, Chris Street
<venus.ngfb@chris-s­treet.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:38:23 +0100, Colin Stamp wrote:>
1. Lay gearbox flat on clean garage floor.>> 2. Watch tailshaft for a minute or two. Observe that no oil emerges.>> 3. Place ridiculously small plastic bag over tailshaft "just in case" >> 4. Go to bed.>> 5. Open garage door in the morning to move gearbox.>> 6. Observe (from a fully horizontal position) that all oil has left>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^­^^^^^^^PMSL Slippy stuff innit?>
I once made the mistake of stowing a cracked battery on an aluminium tray>in case it leaked. As a chemist you would have though I would have known>how dismal an idea that was - in my defence I did think it was stainless>though.
Heh - similar error when I forgot about the battery on charge in the
corner while I was grinding... a science teacher should know about
hydrogen and sparks! Blew the battery apart and wrecked the charger too.
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Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales 5 May 2005 21:35:22 permanent link ]
 
"Chris Bolus" <chris@FARINAb0lus.­com> wrote in message
news:4eni71t35kv1ad­imsa3kq8bbjg8asbsrgl­@4ax.com...> On Wed, 4 May 2005 23:04:48 +0100, Chris Street> <venus.ngfb@chris-s­treet.demon.co.uk> wrote:>
On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:38:23 +0100, Colin Stamp wrote:> >
1. Lay gearbox flat on clean garage floor.> >> 2. Watch tailshaft for a minute or two. Observe that no oil emerges.> >> 3. Place ridiculously small plastic bag over tailshaft "just in case"> >> 4. Go to bed.> >> 5. Open garage door in the morning to move gearbox.> >> 6. Observe (from a fully horizontal position) that all oil has left> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^­^^PMSL Slippy stuff innit?> >
I once made the mistake of stowing a cracked battery on an aluminium tray> >in case it leaked. As a chemist you would have though I would have known> >how dismal an idea that was - in my defence I did think it was stainless> >though.> Heh - similar error when I forgot about the battery on charge in the> corner while I was grinding... a science teacher should know about> hydrogen and sparks! Blew the battery apart and wrecked the charger too.> --> Regards, Chris (Please take out my car to reply by email)> ----1961 Austin A40 Farina----1966 Triumph Herald Estate---> ---1967 Riley Elf---1965 Hillman Minx---1969 Morris Minor--> -1972 Mini Clubman estate--1957 Standard 8--1979 Ford Capri> ********** Please don't email in HTML! **********


You think that was stupid,. years ago i was jet washing my car with those
power hoses, on rinse so clean water, and i was thirsty, so i pulled the
trigger when it was near my mouth, split lip for months.

Also i forgot to do my hair when i drove to a nightclub, so i put on the
windscreen washers and stuck my head under the spray........i forgot that
the day before was the FIRST TIME EVER i put that blue liquid in rather than
just plain water.




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Guy King 5 May 2005 22:49:45 permanent link ]
 The message <uPsee.2690$a9.1312­@fe3.news.blueyonder­.co.uk>
from "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyo­nder.co.uk>
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Also i forgot to do my hair when i drove to a nightclub, so i put on the> windscreen washers and stuck my head under the spray........i forgot that> the day before was the FIRST TIME EVER i put that blue liquid in rather than> just plain water.

When I was living in a squalid bedsit in Tooting I woke one bleary
morning and shot myself in the armpits with deodorant (well, I was young
and it was easier than washing) only it turned out to be a can of WD40.

My armpits haven't rusted since. Must work.

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."


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Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales 6 May 2005 06:20:42 permanent link ]
 
"Guy King" <guy.king@zetnet.co­.uk> wrote in message
news:31303030343237­39427A78D931@zetnet.­co.uk...> The message <uPsee.2690$a9.1312­@fe3.news.blueyonder­.co.uk>> from "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyo­nder.co.uk>> contains these words:>
Also i forgot to do my hair when i drove to a nightclub, so i put on the> > windscreen washers and stuck my head under the spray........i forgot
that> > the day before was the FIRST TIME EVER i put that blue liquid in rather
than> > just plain water.>
When I was living in a squalid bedsit in Tooting I woke one bleary> morning and shot myself in the armpits with deodorant (well, I was young> and it was easier than washing) only it turned out to be a can of WD40.>
My armpits haven't rusted since. Must work.

That smell has been nice since the 70's i love it, remids me of the Red
Dwarf joke.............
--> Skipweasel.> Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood.">


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Willy Eckerslyke 6 May 2005 14:17:52 permanent link ]
 Guy King wrote:> The message <uPsee.2690$a9.1312­@fe3.news.blueyonder­.co.uk>> from "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyo­nder.co.uk>> contains these words:>
Also i forgot to do my hair when i drove to a nightclub, so i put on the>>windscreen washers and stuck my head under the spray........i forgot that>>the day before was the FIRST TIME EVER i put that blue liquid in rather than>>just plain water.
When I was living in a squalid bedsit in Tooting I woke one bleary> morning and shot myself in the armpits with deodorant (well, I was young> and it was easier than washing) only it turned out to be a can of WD40.

LOL!
If you often have mornings like that, it sounds like you'd better heed
Harry Hill's advice and not keep the Savlon next to the toothpaste.
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Guy King 6 May 2005 15:41:44 permanent link ]
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If you often have mornings like that, it sounds like you'd better heed > Harry Hill's advice and not keep the Savlon next to the toothpaste.

Nor yet the Preparation H.

--
Skipweasel.
Ivor Cutler - "Never knowingly understood."


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