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SteveH 17 April 2005 13:20:19
 Got in the Passat tonight to find the indicators had stopped working.

After 10 mins. of pulling at bits of plastic, I finally located the
fuesbox and relay panel..... thought I'd have an easy fix.

Pulled all the relays one by one, none of which affected the indicators.

Once home (48 miles with no indicators is _interesting_).....­. did a
quick websearch to find the relay is part of the hazzards switch, ffs!

I'd love to know the explanation for that.

--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italianc­ar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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John Smith 12 April 2005 21:46:15 permanent link ]
 
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message
news:1gux4jw.qiogf8­vyjm5lN%steve@italia­ncar.co.uk...> Got in the Passat tonight to find the indicators had stopped working.>
After 10 mins. of pulling at bits of plastic, I finally located the> fuesbox and relay panel..... thought I'd have an easy fix.>
Pulled all the relays one by one, none of which affected the indicators.>
Once home (48 miles with no indicators is _interesting_).....­. did a> quick websearch to find the relay is part of the hazzards switch, ffs!>
I'd love to know the explanation for that.>
-- > Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'> http://www.italianc­ar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300> VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL> BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

I had exactly the same problem with my indicators on a 51 reg Passat. The
whole hazard switch unit was replaced and the indicators started working
again, albeit a little faster. Seems to be a common problem?

J.


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SteveH 12 April 2005 21:53:24 permanent link ]
 John Smith <nospam@please.than­ks> wrote:
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message> news:1gux4jw.qiogf8­vyjm5lN%steve@italia­ncar.co.uk...> > Got in the Passat tonight to find the indicators had stopped working.> >
After 10 mins. of pulling at bits of plastic, I finally located the> > fuesbox and relay panel..... thought I'd have an easy fix.> >
Pulled all the relays one by one, none of which affected the indicators.> >
Once home (48 miles with no indicators is _interesting_).....­. did a> > quick websearch to find the relay is part of the hazzards switch, ffs!> >
I'd love to know the explanation for that.>
I had exactly the same problem with my indicators on a 51 reg Passat. The> whole hazard switch unit was replaced and the indicators started working> again, albeit a little faster. Seems to be a common problem?

I just unplugged it and plugged it back in and all seems fine.

Suppose I should get myself a spare just in case.

It is a known issue, which is why it only took me 2 mins on Google to
find the answer.


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Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italianc­ar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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Dave Plowman 12 April 2005 22:29:48 permanent link ]
 In article <1gux4jw.qiogf8vyjm­5lN%steve@italiancar­.co.uk>,
SteveH <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote:> Got in the Passat tonight to find the indicators had stopped working.
After 10 mins. of pulling at bits of plastic, I finally located the> fuesbox and relay panel..... thought I'd have an easy fix.
Pulled all the relays one by one, none of which affected the indicators.
Once home (48 miles with no indicators is _interesting_).....­. did a> quick websearch to find the relay is part of the hazzards switch, ffs!
I'd love to know the explanation for that.

Indicators don't usually have any relays in the chain. There's the flasher
unit. And possibly the hazard warning switch - which are likely to be the
cause of problems.

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*Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.u­k London SW
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DanTXD 12 April 2005 22:37:29 permanent link ]
 "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message
news:1gux5rd.1h6csj­j1dksgq1N%steve@ital­iancar.co.uk...> John Smith <nospam@please.than­ks> wrote:>
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message>> news:1gux4jw.qiogf8­vyjm5lN%steve@italia­ncar.co.uk...>> > Got in the Passat tonight to find the indicators had stopped working.>> >
After 10 mins. of pulling at bits of plastic, I finally located the>> > fuesbox and relay panel..... thought I'd have an easy fix.>> >
Pulled all the relays one by one, none of which affected the >> > indicators.>> >
Once home (48 miles with no indicators is _interesting_).....­. did a>> > quick websearch to find the relay is part of the hazzards switch, ffs!>> >
I'd love to know the explanation for that.>>
I had exactly the same problem with my indicators on a 51 reg Passat. The>> whole hazard switch unit was replaced and the indicators started working>> again, albeit a little faster. Seems to be a common problem?>
I just unplugged it and plugged it back in and all seems fine.>
Suppose I should get myself a spare just in case.>
It is a known issue, which is why it only took me 2 mins on Google to> find the answer.>

Unreliable german crap. Sir needs a nice Alfa for the commute :)­

--
Dan


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G-Man 12 April 2005 22:52:13 permanent link ]
 
"DanTXD" <dan405@SdanPontAhe­rMun.com> wrote in message
news:3c2irfF6jk0k4U­1@individual.net...
Unreliable german crap. Sir needs a nice Alfa for the commute :)­

Absolutely. No need for pulling any wires anywhere...the simple aid of a
priest and a quick exorcism of the electrican demons would sort it in a
jiffy!

Ta,
G.


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SteveH 12 April 2005 22:52:39 permanent link ]
 Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.­uk> wrote:
In article <1gux4jw.qiogf8vyjm­5lN%steve@italiancar­.co.uk>,> SteveH <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote:> > Got in the Passat tonight to find the indicators had stopped working.>
After 10 mins. of pulling at bits of plastic, I finally located the> > fuesbox and relay panel..... thought I'd have an easy fix.>
Pulled all the relays one by one, none of which affected the indicators.>
Once home (48 miles with no indicators is _interesting_).....­. did a> > quick websearch to find the relay is part of the hazzards switch, ffs!>
I'd love to know the explanation for that.>
Indicators don't usually have any relays in the chain. There's the flasher> unit. And possibly the hazard warning switch - which are likely to be the> cause of problems.

Flasher unit is what I meant - it is, after all, just a form of relay in
my understanding.

Anyway, just removing and replacing solved the issue.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italianc­ar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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G-Man 12 April 2005 22:52:51 permanent link ]
 
"DanTXD" <dan405@SdanPontAhe­rMun.com> wrote in message
news:3c2irfF6jk0k4U­1@individual.net...
Unreliable german crap. Sir needs a nice Alfa for the commute :)­

Absolutely. No need for pulling any wires anywhere...the simple aid of a
priest and a quick exorcism of the electrical demons would sort it in a
jiffy!

Ta,
G.


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Carl Bowman 13 April 2005 00:33:01 permanent link ]
 "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message
news:1gux4jw.qiogf8­vyjm5lN%steve@italia­ncar.co.uk...> Got in the Passat tonight to find the indicators had stopped working.
...> I'd love to know the explanation for that.

D'you think it has ideas of being a BMW? ;o)


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SteveH 13 April 2005 00:33:11 permanent link ]
 Carl Bowman <carlbowmanwithouts­pam@gmx.co.uk> wrote:
"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message> news:1gux4jw.qiogf8­vyjm5lN%steve@italia­ncar.co.uk...> > Got in the Passat tonight to find the indicators had stopped working.> ...> > I'd love to know the explanation for that.>
D'you think it has ideas of being a BMW? ;o)

Lol.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italianc­ar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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Johnny 13 April 2005 02:30:26 permanent link ]
 "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message
news:1gux4jw.qiogf8­vyjm5lN%steve@italia­ncar.co.uk...> Got in the Passat tonight to find the indicators had stopped working.>
After 10 mins. of pulling at bits of plastic, I finally located the> fuesbox and relay panel..... thought I'd have an easy fix.>
Pulled all the relays one by one, none of which affected the indicators.>
Once home (48 miles with no indicators is _interesting_).....­. did a> quick websearch to find the relay is part of the hazzards switch, ffs!>
I'd love to know the explanation for that.>

On my Toyota, if you disconnect the hazard lights switch (which you have to
do to remove the front of the dash - which you have to do to replace the
stereo) then the indicators don't work.


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JackH 13 April 2005 02:36:01 permanent link ]
 
"Johnny" <n@spam.com> wrote in message
news:425c4c05$1_1@m­k-nntp-2.news.uk.tis­cali.com...> "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote in message> news:1gux4jw.qiogf8­vyjm5lN%steve@italia­ncar.co.uk...> > Got in the Passat tonight to find the indicators had stopped working.> >
After 10 mins. of pulling at bits of plastic, I finally located the> > fuesbox and relay panel..... thought I'd have an easy fix.> >
Pulled all the relays one by one, none of which affected the indicators.> >
Once home (48 miles with no indicators is _interesting_).....­. did a> > quick websearch to find the relay is part of the hazzards switch, ffs!> >
I'd love to know the explanation for that.> >
On my Toyota, if you disconnect the hazard lights switch (which you have
do to remove the front of the dash - which you have to do to replace the> stereo) then the indicators don't work.

It was the same on my last Vauxhall Corsa... and the hazard lights switch on
those and other Vauxhalls of that era have a tendency to burn out in later
years.

--
JackH


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Dave Plowman 13 April 2005 03:28:15 permanent link ]
 In article <425c4c05$1_1@mk-nn­tp-2.news.uk.tiscali­.com>,
Johnny <n@spam.com> wrote:> On my Toyota, if you disconnect the hazard lights switch (which you have to > do to remove the front of the dash - which you have to do to replace the > stereo) then the indicators don't work.

If you give it some thought, a hazard switch is quite a complicated
mechanism.

It has to disconnect the flashers from their 'normal' circuit - as it has
to operate with the ignition off. If it didn't do this it would switch the
ignition circuit on...

It has to link the normally separate left and right together, and also
switch in a heavy duty flasher unit to cope with the extra load of four,
rather than two, bulbs.

Like I said, a complicated switch. ;-)­

--
*Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.u­k London SW
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Sleeker GT Phwoar 13 April 2005 12:09:11 permanent link ]
 In article <1gux8il.b96paz1p0r­jgvN%steve@italianca­r.co.uk>,
steve@italiancar.co­.uk says...> Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.­uk> wrote:>
In article <1gux4jw.qiogf8vyjm­5lN%steve@italiancar­.co.uk>,> > SteveH <steve@italiancar.c­o.uk> wrote:> > > Got in the Passat tonight to find the indicators had stopped working.> >
After 10 mins. of pulling at bits of plastic, I finally located the> > > fuesbox and relay panel..... thought I'd have an easy fix.> >
Pulled all the relays one by one, none of which affected the indicators.> >
Once home (48 miles with no indicators is _interesting_).....­. did a> > > quick websearch to find the relay is part of the hazzards switch, ffs!> >
I'd love to know the explanation for that.> >
Indicators don't usually have any relays in the chain. There's the flasher> > unit. And possibly the hazard warning switch - which are likely to be the> > cause of problems.>
Flasher unit is what I meant - it is, after all, just a form of relay in> my understanding.>
Anyway, just removing and replacing solved the issue.>
Yeah, timer relay in all reality.
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The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
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G-man 13 April 2005 12:16:41 permanent link ]
 JackH wrote:
It was the same on my last Vauxhall Corsa... and the hazard lights switch> on those and other Vauxhalls of that era have a tendency to burn out in> later years.

No doubt through excessive usage.

Ta,
G.
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Guy King 13 April 2005 12:23:08 permanent link ]
 The message <3c30psF6hui5hU1@in­dividual.net>
from "JackH" <jackhackettuk@yaho­o.co.uk> contains these words:
It was the same on my last Vauxhall Corsa... and the hazard lights switch on> those and other Vauxhalls of that era have a tendency to burn out in later> years.

Not just in later years - they often failed before they'd ever even been
used. I had several Corsas from new and I never used the hazard switch
at all - and yet a few of them died. Apparently it was 'cos they were
right between the hot air vents and couldn't take the heat. Vauxhall did
a later version of the switch which could cope.

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Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.


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Carl Bowman 13 April 2005 13:35:47 permanent link ]
 "JackH" <jackhackettuk@yaho­o.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3c30psF6hui5hU­1@individual.net...>­ It was the same on my last Vauxhall Corsa... and the hazard lights switch
those and other Vauxhalls of that era have a tendency to burn out in later> years.

A bit of card stuffed in the side of the switch keeps 'em switched off. In
emergency, remove card to switch hazards on (surprisingly I never needed to
do that in my last shite old 'remarkably good runner given its unquenchable
thirst for oil' Cavalier).


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Guest 14 April 2005 21:50:44 permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:29:55 +0100, steve@italiancar.co­.uk (SteveH)
wrote:

Once home (48 miles with no indicators is _interesting_).....­. did a>quick websearch to find the relay is part of the hazzards switch, ffs!

Is that kinda info available on the web just for your car make?
or, is it available for other makes?
If the later, I'd sure like to hear how you found that info?
Puleeese.
John Hewitt, Malaga, Spain
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SteveH 14 April 2005 21:58:33 permanent link ]
 <jhewitt@arrakis.es>­ wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:29:55 +0100, steve@italiancar.co­.uk (SteveH)> wrote:>
Once home (48 miles with no indicators is _interesting_).....­. did a> >quick websearch to find the relay is part of the hazzards switch, ffs!>
Is that kinda info available on the web just for your car make?> or, is it available for other makes?> If the later, I'd sure like to hear how you found that info?> Puleeese.

I just plugged 'Passat indicator relay' into Google and had a look at
the first half a dozen links.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italianc­ar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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Guy King 14 April 2005 22:06:58 permanent link ]
 The message <425c4c05$1_1@mk-nn­tp-2.news.uk.tiscali­.com>
from "Johnny" <n@spam.com> contains these words:
On my Toyota, if you disconnect the hazard lights switch (which you have to > do to remove the front of the dash - which you have to do to replace the > stereo) then the indicators don't work.

That's common - the indicator wiring goes through the hazard switch on
many cars.

--
Skipweasel.
In the beginning was the word.
And the word was Aardvark.


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Warwick 16 April 2005 04:31:57 permanent link ]
 In article <1gux4jw.qiogf8vyjm­5lN%steve@italiancar­.co.uk>,
steve@italiancar.co­.uk says...>
Once home (48 miles with no indicators is _interesting_).....­. did a> quick websearch to find the relay is part of the hazzards switch, ffs!

It appears that you're now almost trained enough to drive a BMW 5
series. Another 2000 miles without indicators and you can buy one.

#warwick
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Steve Walker 17 April 2005 00:49:01 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 00:28:15 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article <425c4c05$1_1@mk-nn­tp-2.news.uk.tiscali­.com>,> Johnny <n@spam.com> wrote:>> On my Toyota, if you disconnect the hazard lights switch (which you have to >> do to remove the front of the dash - which you have to do to replace the >> stereo) then the indicators don't work. >
If you give it some thought, a hazard switch is quite a complicated> mechanism.>
It has to disconnect the flashers from their 'normal' circuit - as it has> to operate with the ignition off. If it didn't do this it would switch the> ignition circuit on...>
It has to link the normally separate left and right together, and also> switch in a heavy duty flasher unit to cope with the extra load of four,> rather than two, bulbs.>
Like I said, a complicated switch. ;-)­

Are you sure about the heavy duty flasher unit? I built a kit-car which
used a lot of Sierra parts and both the Sierra and hence the kit-car use a
single flasher unit for both indicators and hazards. It also actually copes
with six lamps (inc. trailer) + 2 side repeaters.

Steve Walker
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Dave Plowman 17 April 2005 13:20:19 permanent link ]
 In article <djq0p2vlpcls$.1myq­neg37jg1j.dlg@40tude­.net>,
Steve Walker <steve@dropthis.the­end.demon.co.uk> wrote:> > It has to link the normally separate left and right together, and also> > switch in a heavy duty flasher unit to cope with the extra load of> > four, rather than two, bulbs.> >
Like I said, a complicated switch. ;-)­
Are you sure about the heavy duty flasher unit? I built a kit-car which> used a lot of Sierra parts and both the Sierra and hence the kit-car use> a single flasher unit for both indicators and hazards. It also actually> copes with six lamps (inc. trailer) + 2 side repeaters.

Yup - modern electronic units can do both.

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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.u­k London SW
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