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Snuggles 15 April 2005 22:04:37
	Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I'm looking at buying a new car, and I would like it to have air conditioning. The spec for the car I'm looking at says it has "manual" air conditioning. What does this mean exactly? What is the difference between manual and automatic air conditioning? TIA
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Mike G 15 April 2005 22:16:52 [ permanent link ]
	"Snuggles" <snuggles2012-misc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:3cae1rF6klcc3U1@individual.net...> Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I'm looking at buying a new car,> and I would like it to have air conditioning. The spec for the car I'm> looking at says it has "manual" air conditioning. What does this mean> exactly? What is the difference between manual and automatic air> conditioning? Wth manual you set the interior temperature yourself. If the outside temperature rises, you might have to lower the setting, and vice versa. With auto, or 'climate control' you set the temperature, and that's it. The system tries to maintain that interior temperature regardless of the outside temperature. TBH, in practice, I find little practical difference between either system. Both keep you cool on a hot day, which is it's main value IMO. Mike.
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Snuggles 15 April 2005 23:22:29 [ permanent link ]
	"Mike G" <metier@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message news:42600517$0$6058$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...> "Snuggles" <snuggles2012-misc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message> news:3cae1rF6klcc3U1@individual.net...>> Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I'm looking at buying a new >> car,>> and I would like it to have air conditioning. The spec for the car I'm>> looking at says it has "manual" air conditioning. What does this mean>> exactly? What is the difference between manual and automatic air>> conditioning?> Wth manual you set the interior temperature yourself. If the outside> temperature rises, you might have to lower the setting, and vice versa.> With auto, or 'climate control' you set the temperature, and that's it. > The> system tries to maintain that interior temperature regardless of the > outside> temperature.> TBH, in practice, I find little practical difference between either > system.> Both keep you cool on a hot day, which is it's main value IMO.> Mike. Excellent, thanks Mike.
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John Smith 15 April 2005 23:49:44 [ permanent link ]
	"Snuggles" <snuggles2012-misc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:3caijsF6o5q0vU1@individual.net...> "Mike G" <metier@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message > news:42600517$0$6058$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...>> "Snuggles" <snuggles2012-misc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message>> news:3cae1rF6klcc3U1@individual.net...>>> Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I'm looking at buying a new >>> car,>>> and I would like it to have air conditioning. The spec for the car I'm>>> looking at says it has "manual" air conditioning. What does this mean>>> exactly? What is the difference between manual and automatic air>>> conditioning?>> Wth manual you set the interior temperature yourself. If the outside>> temperature rises, you might have to lower the setting, and vice versa.>> With auto, or 'climate control' you set the temperature, and that's it. >> The>> system tries to maintain that interior temperature regardless of the >> outside>> temperature.>> TBH, in practice, I find little practical difference between either >> system.>> Both keep you cool on a hot day, which is it's main value IMO.>> Mike.> Excellent, thanks Mike.> Many car review articles I have read have said that auto air con is not worth the extra expense.
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SteveH 15 April 2005 23:54:14 [ permanent link ]
	John Smith <johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote: TBH, in practice, I find little practical difference between either> >> system.> >> Both keep you cool on a hot day, which is it's main value IMO.> >> Mike.> > Excellent, thanks Mike.> > Many car review articles I have read have said that auto air con is not> worth the extra expense. Having recently discovered the joys of proper climate control, I wouldn't be without it now. -- Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
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Uno Hoo! 16 April 2005 00:00:31 [ permanent link ]
	"John Smith" <johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:sVU7e.22802$Uc7.16015@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...> "Snuggles" <snuggles2012-misc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > news:3caijsF6o5q0vU1@individual.net...>> "Mike G" <metier@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:42600517$0$6058$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...>>> "Snuggles" <snuggles2012-misc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message>>> news:3cae1rF6klcc3U1@individual.net...>>>> Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I'm looking at buying a new >>>> car,>>>> and I would like it to have air conditioning. The spec for the car I'm>>>> looking at says it has "manual" air conditioning. What does this mean>>>> exactly? What is the difference between manual and automatic air>>>> conditioning?>>> Wth manual you set the interior temperature yourself. If the outside>>> temperature rises, you might have to lower the setting, and vice versa.>>> With auto, or 'climate control' you set the temperature, and that's it. >>> The>>> system tries to maintain that interior temperature regardless of the >>> outside>>> temperature.>>> TBH, in practice, I find little practical difference between either >>> system.>>> Both keep you cool on a hot day, which is it's main value IMO.>>> Mike.>> Excellent, thanks Mike.>> Many car review articles I have read have said that auto air con is not > worth the extra expense. I don't think that I would agree with that. I have had two cars with air-con and two with climate control. With simple air-con you are constantly messing about adjusting either heating or cooling. With climate control you set your comfortable temp (21 deg for me) and just leave it - the system does the rest. I don't think that it's a question of 'not worth the extra expense' - some cars/trim levels come with climate control and some with simple air-con. I know which I'd rather have. Kev
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Pete Smith 16 April 2005 00:43:13 [ permanent link ]
	In article <d3p6gv$cko$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, kev@dropthisbigfoot.com says...> "John Smith" <johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message > news:sVU7e.22802$Uc7.16015@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...> > Many car review articles I have read have said that auto air con is not > > worth the extra expense.> I don't think that I would agree with that. Me either! I have had two cars with air-con > and two with climate control. With simple air-con you are constantly messing > about adjusting either heating or cooling. With climate control you set your > comfortable temp (21 deg for me) and just leave it - the system does the > rest. I've had one car with air con, and one with climate. I just wish _I_ could settle down on a temperature. Some days I feel like I've got to cool it down, some days like I want warm, but most of the time I just leave it on 22. 21.5 seems a bit cold. Very strange! I'd certainly not be without at least air con, and probably climate now. Pete.
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Mike G 16 April 2005 02:16:18 [ permanent link ]
	"Uno Hoo!" <kev@dropthisbigfoot.com> wrote in message news:d3p6gv$cko$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...> "John Smith" <johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message Many car review articles I have read have said that auto air con is not> > worth the extra expense.> I don't think that I would agree with that. I have had two cars with air-con> and two with climate control. With simple air-con you are constantly messing> about adjusting either heating or cooling. Are you?. 'Constantly messing about'. No wonder, if your idea of a comfortable temperature has to be so precise? I've always found it fairly simple and quick to set plain a/c to a comfortable temperature, but then I'm not looking to get it 'just so'. Mike.
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Michael Rodgers 16 April 2005 05:04:04 [ permanent link ]
	"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message news:1gv2vdt.1d2i6hz67nvl3N%steve@italiancar.co.uk...>> Many car review articles I have read have said that auto air con is not>> worth the extra expense.> Having recently discovered the joys of proper climate control, I> wouldn't be without it now. Welcome to the light side - no climate on your shite old bangers Steve ;)
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Pete M 16 April 2005 05:11:16 [ permanent link ]
	In news:42606485$0$561$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net, Michael Rodgers <michael@network-southeast.co.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows> "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message> news:1gv2vdt.1d2i6hz67nvl3N%steve@italiancar.co.uk...>>> Many car review articles I have read have said that auto air con is>>> not worth the extra expense.>> Having recently discovered the joys of proper climate control, I>> wouldn't be without it now.> Welcome to the light side - no climate on your shite old bangers> Steve ;) As long as I've got air con, or at least a decent thermostatically controlled heating / ventilation system, I'm happy. The Capri has neither, but it has "eyeball" vents, and they're grrrrreat! -- Pete M Mercedes 260E, Porsche 911 Carrera 3.2 Ford Capri (ressurection started) "Never moon a werewolf" COSOC #5 Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain
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Uno Hoo! 16 April 2005 16:13:10 [ permanent link ]
	"Mike G" <metier@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message news:42603d51$0$72281$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...> "Uno Hoo!" <kev@dropthisbigfoot.com> wrote in message> news:d3p6gv$cko$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...>> "John Smith" <johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message> Many car review articles I have read have said that auto air con is not>> > worth the extra expense.>> I don't think that I would agree with that. I have had two cars with> air-con>> and two with climate control. With simple air-con you are constantly> messing>> about adjusting either heating or cooling.> Are you?.> 'Constantly messing about'. No wonder, if your idea of a comfortable> temperature has to be so precise?> I've always found it fairly simple and quick to set plain a/c to a> comfortable temperature, but then I'm not looking to get it 'just so'. The problem with simple air-con / heating systems is that they take no account of ambient inside or outside temperatures. You set a level of heat or cold output and it will continue to push that out until you alter it. What is suitable when the sun is shining is not suitable when the clouds come out. What is suitable today is probably not suitable tomorrow. With climate control you are not setting any specific level of output, but rather the temperature you wish to have in the cabin. No matter whether it's a heat wave or a freeze up outside, that is the temperature the system will strive to maintain (usually very successfully). With the old systems my wife was very frequently saying, "It's a bit hot (cold) in here, can you turn it down (up)?" With climate control I never hear that at all ! Kev
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Paul Mc Cann 16 April 2005 18:54:08 [ permanent link ]
	In article <d3qvgl$so2$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, kev@dropthisbigfoot.com says...> "Mike G" <metier@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message > news:42603d51$0$72281$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...> > "Uno Hoo!" <kev@dropthisbigfoot.com> wrote in message> > news:d3p6gv$cko$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...> >> "John Smith" <johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message> > Many car review articles I have read have said that auto air con is not> >> > worth the extra expense.> >> I don't think that I would agree with that. I have had two cars with> > air-con> >> and two with climate control. With simple air-con you are constantly> > messing> >> about adjusting either heating or cooling.> > Are you?.> > 'Constantly messing about'. No wonder, if your idea of a comfortable> > temperature has to be so precise?> > I've always found it fairly simple and quick to set plain a/c to a> > comfortable temperature, but then I'm not looking to get it 'just so'.> The problem with simple air-con / heating systems is that they take no > account of ambient inside or outside temperatures. You set a level of heat > or cold output and it will continue to push that out until you alter it. > What is suitable when the sun is shining is not suitable when the clouds > come out. What is suitable today is probably not suitable tomorrow. With > climate control you are not setting any specific level of output, but rather > the temperature you wish to have in the cabin. No matter whether it's a heat > wave or a freeze up outside, that is the temperature the system will strive > to maintain (usually very successfully). With the old systems my wife was > very frequently saying, "It's a bit hot (cold) in here, can you turn it down > (up)?" With climate control I never hear that at all !> Kev > The problem with climate control is it can be a bugger to control. If it decides you are warm enough it starts pumping out cooler air. It takes fairly large shifts of the temperature control knob to counteract this and then it starts to get too warm. I've had it in Lexus, Mercedes, Jaguar (while it worked !) and BMW. All were the same. Current BMW was specified non climate control. I much prefer it. Ambient temperature is fine and good but isn't the whole picture. Having said all that the climate control in swmbos Audi TT works a treat. When I drive it I rarely fiddle with it. Perhaps its down to the small internal volume. Climate control as offered on a lot of the lower range of cars now has a lot of corners cut to make it cheap enough so general discussions about air con in cars isn't really feasible. -- Paul Mc Cann
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Micky Taker 16 April 2005 23:29:05 [ permanent link ]
	Mike G wrote:> "Snuggles" <snuggles2012-misc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message> news:3cae1rF6klcc3U1@individual.net...> Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I'm looking at buying a new car,>>and I would like it to have air conditioning. The spec for the car I'm>>looking at says it has "manual" air conditioning. What does this mean>>exactly? What is the difference between manual and automatic air>>conditioning?> Wth manual you set the interior temperature yourself. If the outside> temperature rises, you might have to lower the setting, and vice versa.> With auto, or 'climate control' you set the temperature, and that's it. The> system tries to maintain that interior temperature regardless of the outside> temperature.> TBH, in practice, I find little practical difference between either system.> Both keep you cool on a hot day, which is it's main value IMO.> Mike. I totally agree. Whichever version you use the whole system is completely F**cked whenever you open a window or door anyway! So IMHO it is only worth "paying" for manual AC. If the car comes with climate control that's fine. but I wouldn't pay extra for it. Regards, -- Micky Taker Get Firefox web browser FREE! Get Thunderbird email/newsreader Free! www.mozilla.org
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Uno Hoo! 16 April 2005 23:42:59 [ permanent link ]
	"Paul Mc Cann" <tpaul@eircom.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1ccb376c7320440f9897d9@news1.eircom.net...> In article <d3qvgl$so2$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, kev@dropthisbigfoot.com> says...>> "Mike G" <metier@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message>> news:42603d51$0$72281$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...>> > "Uno Hoo!" <kev@dropthisbigfoot.com> wrote in message>> > news:d3p6gv$cko$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...>> >> "John Smith" <johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in >> >> message>> > Many car review articles I have read have said that auto air con is >> >> > not>> >> > worth the extra expense.>> >> I don't think that I would agree with that. I have had two cars with>> > air-con>> >> and two with climate control. With simple air-con you are constantly>> > messing>> >> about adjusting either heating or cooling.>> > Are you?.>> > 'Constantly messing about'. No wonder, if your idea of a comfortable>> > temperature has to be so precise?>> > I've always found it fairly simple and quick to set plain a/c to a>> > comfortable temperature, but then I'm not looking to get it 'just so'.>> The problem with simple air-con / heating systems is that they take no>> account of ambient inside or outside temperatures. You set a level of >> heat>> or cold output and it will continue to push that out until you alter it.>> What is suitable when the sun is shining is not suitable when the clouds>> come out. What is suitable today is probably not suitable tomorrow. With>> climate control you are not setting any specific level of output, but >> rather>> the temperature you wish to have in the cabin. No matter whether it's a >> heat>> wave or a freeze up outside, that is the temperature the system will >> strive>> to maintain (usually very successfully). With the old systems my wife >> was>> very frequently saying, "It's a bit hot (cold) in here, can you turn it >> down>> (up)?" With climate control I never hear that at all !>> The problem with climate control is it can be a bugger to control. If> it decides you are warm enough it starts pumping out cooler air. It> takes fairly large shifts of the temperature control knob to counteract> this and then it starts to get too warm.> I've had it in Lexus, Mercedes, Jaguar (while it worked !) and BMW. All> were the same. Current BMW was specified non climate control. I much> prefer it. Ambient temperature is fine and good but isn't the whole> picture.> Having said all that the climate control in swmbos Audi TT works a> treat. When I drive it I rarely fiddle with it. Perhaps its down to the> small internal volume.> Climate control as offered on a lot of the lower range of cars now has a> lot of corners cut to make it cheap enough so general discussions about> air con in cars isn't really feasible. Well, all I can say is that the climate control in the two Rover 75's I have owned has worked (and is working!) perfectly and, to my mind, in a far superior way to simple air-con. Kev
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Uno Hoo! 16 April 2005 23:45:42 [ permanent link ]
	"Micky Taker" <micky.taker@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:5Id8e.53614$mV1.41854@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...> Mike G wrote:>> "Snuggles" <snuggles2012-misc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message>> news:3cae1rF6klcc3U1@individual.net...>> Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I'm looking at buying a new >>>car,>>>and I would like it to have air conditioning. The spec for the car I'm>>>looking at says it has "manual" air conditioning. What does this mean>>>exactly? What is the difference between manual and automatic air>>>conditioning?>> Wth manual you set the interior temperature yourself. If the outside>> temperature rises, you might have to lower the setting, and vice versa.>> With auto, or 'climate control' you set the temperature, and that's it. >> The>> system tries to maintain that interior temperature regardless of the >> outside>> temperature.>> TBH, in practice, I find little practical difference between either >> system.>> Both keep you cool on a hot day, which is it's main value IMO.>> Mike.> I totally agree. Whichever version you use the whole system is completely > F**cked whenever you open a window or door anyway! So IMHO it is only > worth "paying" for manual AC. If the car comes with climate control that's > fine. but I wouldn't pay extra for it. If you open a door or window with climate control then within seconds the system senses the change in internal temperature and immediately begins working to correct it. Can you say the same for simple air con? Kev
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Mike G 17 April 2005 02:54:26 [ permanent link ]
	"Uno Hoo!" <kev@dropthisbigfoot.com> wrote in message news:d3rq15$hti$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...> "Micky Taker" <micky.taker@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message> news:5Id8e.53614$mV1.41854@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...> > Mike G wrote:> >> "Snuggles" <snuggles2012-misc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message> >> news:3cae1rF6klcc3U1@individual.net...> >> Apologies if this is a dumb question, but I'm looking at buying a new> >>>car,> >>>and I would like it to have air conditioning. The spec for the car I'm> >>>looking at says it has "manual" air conditioning. What does this mean> >>>exactly? What is the difference between manual and automatic air> >>>conditioning?> >> Wth manual you set the interior temperature yourself. If the outside> >> temperature rises, you might have to lower the setting, and vice versa.> >> With auto, or 'climate control' you set the temperature, and that's it.> >> The> >> system tries to maintain that interior temperature regardless of the> >> outside> >> temperature.> >> TBH, in practice, I find little practical difference between either> >> system.> >> Both keep you cool on a hot day, which is it's main value IMO.> >> Mike.> > I totally agree. Whichever version you use the whole system is completely> > F**cked whenever you open a window or door anyway! So IMHO it is only> > worth "paying" for manual AC. If the car comes with climate control that's> > fine. but I wouldn't pay extra for it.> If you open a door or window with climate control then within seconds the> system senses the change in internal temperature and immediately begins> working to correct it. Why do you consider that a significant advantage over ordinary a/c? Neither system is designed to cool effectively under those conditions, so what is the point of a climate control system going into overdrive, trying to cool a car with a door or window open? Can you say the same for simple air con? No, but I can't see that it particularly matters. I have 2 cars which I regularly use. One has a/c, the other climate control. As far as heating, and cooling is concerned. I don't find one any better than the other. They both do the job of keeping me comfortable regardless of the outside temperature. Mike.
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Steve Firth 17 April 2005 03:23:49 [ permanent link ]
	Uno Hoo! <kev@dropthisbigfoot.com> wrote: I don't think that I would agree with that. I have had two cars with air-con> and two with climate control. I doubt it, your shitbox Rover may have claimed to have climate control but AFAIK it doesn't have it. It simply has aircon with a thermostat. If your vehicle doesn't have humidity control, it doesn't have climate control. -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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Alistair J Murray 17 April 2005 05:15:59 [ permanent link ]
	Uno Hoo! wrote: [...] With the old systems my wife was very frequently saying, "It's a bit> hot (cold) in here, can you turn it down (up)?" With climate control> I never hear that at all ! Loud fan? I'll get my coat... =8) A -- Trade Oil in
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Adrian 18 April 2005 10:55:10 [ permanent link ]
	Steve Firth (%steve%@malloc.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : I doubt it, your shitbox Rover may have claimed to have climate> control but AFAIK it doesn't have it. It simply has aircon with a> thermostat. If your vehicle doesn't have humidity control, it doesn't> have climate control. My 10-y-o XM does.
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Tim S Kemp 18 April 2005 11:49:54 [ permanent link ]
	Steve Firth wrote:> Uno Hoo! <kev@dropthisbigfoot.com> wrote:> I don't think that I would agree with that. I have had two cars with>> air-con and two with climate control.> I doubt it, your shitbox Rover may have claimed to have climate> control but AFAIK it doesn't have it. It simply has aircon with a> thermostat. If your vehicle doesn't have humidity control, it doesn't> have climate control. Indeed my 75 didn't cycle the compressor other than by the temperature of the evaporator. My Volvo (which /doesn't/ have climate control) does. Odd eh! I would still consider the 75 to be climate controlled as it has a sunshine sensor as well as interior temp - it doesn't automatically direct the air though either. -- "Excuse me, would you mind not farting while I'm saving the world?" "Would you rather silent but deadly?"
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