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merc a good buy?&Buying on cars on ebay

Brian W 12 April 2005 16:23:57
 I was seriously tempted to bid on this Mercedes. Seemed a good buy,
but 170k on the clock.
http://tinyurl.com/­6aopu

What do you think? £4,500 a good deal? Or is it likely to be big bill
time at that mileage?

A second point, would you buy a car on Ebay that you had never seen,
as this is what some folk seem to do. Often the cars are many miles
away and therefore not so easy to go and view.
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Brian W 12 April 2005 16:35:55 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:23:57 +0100, Brian W <*blank*> wrote:
I was seriously tempted to bid on this Mercedes. Seemed a good buy,>but 170k on the clock. >http://tinyurl.com­/6aopu>
What do you think? £4,500 a good deal? Or is it likely to be big bill>time at that mileage?

The LPG conversion was one of the main attractions, aswell as looking
in impressive condition in the photos. Thats the thing with these LPG
conversions they add almost nothing extra to the sale price of a car
for some strange reason. This makes these cars more of a bargain when
you think they cost £1400 or more to install.




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Adrian 12 April 2005 16:47:31 [ permanent link ]
 Brian W (*blank*) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
I was seriously tempted to bid on this Mercedes. Seemed a good buy,> but 170k on the clock. > http://tinyurl.com/­6aopu

What's it's chances of having been a minicab?
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Carl Bowman 12 April 2005 16:50:06 [ permanent link ]
 "Brian W" <*blank*> wrote in message
news:p­uen51ljlubrrj­g564cn3rqb2ija2q9jj4­@4ax.com...> I was seriously tempted to bid on this Mercedes. Seemed a good buy,> but 170k on the clock.> http://tinyurl.com/­6aopu

Looks OK, and I wouldn't worry about 170k miles on anything this side of a
Hyundia* these days as long as it's been looked after. The myth about higher
mileage cars falling to bits or blowing up at any second still exists
though, as I've found to my cost, so use it as a bargaining tool.
A second point, would you buy a car on Ebay that you had never seen

Noooooooooooo! I'd be quite happy to buy a car through Ebay, (and have, sort
of) as long as the price was right. I'd never buy a car, or any expensive
second hand item for that matter, unseen though. You could bid for it on
Ebay and if you won, reject it if it's not as described, but it could all
end up very messy in terms of disputes, feedback etc.

* - Theoretical, obviously...


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MrGrumpy 12 April 2005 17:05:53 [ permanent link ]
 Provided its been treated well and has a proper service history that
immaterial

"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.­com> wrote in message
news:Xns96368C4D332­9Cadrianachapmanfree­is@204.153.244.170..­.> Brian W (*blank*) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :>
I was seriously tempted to bid on this Mercedes. Seemed a good buy,> > but 170k on the clock.> > http://tinyurl.com/­6aopu>
What's it's chances of having been a minicab?


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Adrian 12 April 2005 17:12:34 [ permanent link ]
 MrGrumpy (dl@spoofmail.notme­) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :
I was seriously tempted to bid on this Mercedes. Seemed a good buy,>> > but 170k on the clock.>> > http://tinyurl.com/­6aopu
What's it's chances of having been a minicab?
Provided its been treated well and has a proper service history that> immaterial

Did I say otherwise? Big "provided", though.
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Willy Eckerslyke 12 April 2005 18:31:09 [ permanent link ]
 Brian W wrote:
A second point, would you buy a car on Ebay that you had never seen,> as this is what some folk seem to do.

I've done so a couple of times without any problems, but they were a lot
cheaper than the one you're thinking of.
Check out the seller's feedback very thoroughly before bidding. Talk on
the phone if possible. Try to read between the lines and ask about
anything that's not mentioned - eg. does the car stink of cigarette smoke?
Then give yourself plenty of leaway by staying well below the book price
- certainly no closer than 2/3. If the car's more than, say, 800 quid
pay for an HPI check before leaving home to collect it. Never pay a
penny until you've looked it over thoroughly.

Be suspicious of listings that quote a full 12 month's MOT. Lots of
dealers seem to do this intending to MOT the car after bidding has
ended. Then if the price doesn't go high enough, they use it as an
excuse to get out of the sale "sorry mate it failed on something major
we hadn't spotted, can't possibly sell it to you in that state". Then
they'll relist it again with exactly the same description.
Check the seller's completed listings on Ebay to see if they've listed
the same car before.
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Mad Ad 12 April 2005 18:36:19 [ permanent link ]
 
"Brian W" <*blank*> wrote in message
news:p­uen51ljlubrrj­g564cn3rqb2ija2q9jj4­@4ax.com...>I was seriously tempted to bid on this Mercedes. Seemed a good buy,> but 170k on the clock.> http://tinyurl.com/­6aopu>
What do you think? £4,500 a good deal? Or is it likely to be big bill> time at that mileage?>
A second point, would you buy a car on Ebay that you had never seen,> as this is what some folk seem to do. Often the cars are many miles> away and therefore not so easy to go and view.

Sorry to sound harsh but if you are going to throw thousands of £ at sellers
of incredibly complex machinery without even taking time to see it then you
deserve everything that you will get from such a deal.

What's going to take longer, making an effort to see something you want
that's far away or spending the next XX weeks or months earning another 4.5k
if you get a lemon?

Ad


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Adrian 12 April 2005 18:44:18 [ permanent link ]
 Willy Eckerslyke (oss108no_spam@bang­or.ac.uk) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying :
Check out the seller's feedback very thoroughly before bidding. Talk> on the phone if possible. Try to read between the lines and ask about > anything that's not mentioned - eg. does the car stink of cigarette> smoke?

Too easy to get out of - "Thought you said it didn't smell of Ciggy
smoke?" "Oh, does it? Never really noticed"<lights another>

Instead - "Has it been smoked in?"
Check the seller's completed listings on Ebay to see if they've listed> the same car before.

Not fool proof - there may well be some numpty who's bid then either
decided that the 170k car "doesn't look like brand new" or was just a time
waster - always cross-reference any previous sale with feedback for both
seller and buyer.

I still don't see why it isn't worth a trip to go see before bidding.
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Willy Eckerslyke 12 April 2005 19:26:44 [ permanent link ]
 Adrian wrote:
Willy Eckerslyke (oss108no_spam@bang­or.ac.uk) gurgled happily, sounding> much like they were saying :
Check the seller's completed listings on Ebay to see if they've listed>>the same car before.
Not fool proof - there may well be some numpty who's bid then either > decided that the 170k car "doesn't look like brand new" or was just a time > waster - always cross-reference any previous sale with feedback for both > seller and buyer.

Yup, check everything about the seller and their previous sales first,
but as you hint, nothing's fool proof.
I still don't see why it isn't worth a trip to go see before bidding.

If you live in the back of beyond like I do, you're looking at a minimum
of 70-100 miles each way for most Ebay items. As you'll probably be
outbid anyway you'll have wasted the journey. Whereas if the car's not
as described, it'll only be a wasted journey if you're the successful
bidder.
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Stuffed 12 April 2005 19:53:24 [ permanent link ]
 
"Brian W" <*blank*> wrote in message
news:p­uen51ljlubrrj­g564cn3rqb2ija2q9jj4­@4ax.com...> I was seriously tempted to bid on this Mercedes. Seemed a good buy,> but 170k on the clock.> http://tinyurl.com/­6aopu>
What do you think? £4,500 a good deal? Or is it likely to be big bill> time at that mileage?>
A second point, would you buy a car on Ebay that you had never seen,> as this is what some folk seem to do. Often the cars are many miles> away and therefore not so easy to go and view.

I've bought a couple of cars off Ebay withough ever looking at them, and
even had the owners deliver them. Never paid more than 100 quid for one
though, and work on the theory that if they're willing to drive 20 miles to
drop the car off, it'll do me for at least 100 quids worth of motoring. I've
also picked up a couple of freebies without ever viewing them first.

However, I wouldn't ever pay more than £100 for something I hadn't even
seen, let alone sat in. For 4500, I'd want to take it for a damned good test
drive, check everything, get under it, etc.


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Phil Yerboots 12 April 2005 20:33:42 [ permanent link ]
 Stuffed wrote:> However, I wouldn't ever pay more than £100 for something I hadn't even> seen, let alone sat in. For 4500, I'd want to take it for a damned good test> drive, check everything, get under it, etc.

I met a chap 1/2 way to view his car (res: £3250). The description:

"Very good condition for mileage, only one previous owner (company) and
presumed regularly serviced although minimal history. Runs like a dream,
this is the electronic/electric­ injected model, drives like a petrol,
goes like a train! No marks on body, one LX badge missing on NSF wing
and 3 very small marks on front seats ( 2/3mm.) Interior grey and
otherwise immaculate."

What I actually found, and e-mailed to vendor:

"The history is better than you mention, although there are serious
gaps. It does run OK. However, there are many marks on the body,
especially to the door edges, and flat panels. The interior is in
very poor condition indeed; many marks, oily splodges, and small
tears here and there. The carpet is parting company with the trim
in several places - this will give rise to suspicion, especially
in conjunction with the uneven tyre wear (two tyres ought to be
changed now, for safety/legality, and the spare as well - £50 and
upwards each), that there have been some serious problems, even if
there have not. The dash is filthy. The whole interior smells of
oil. The air-con is not working properly, it should be ice-cold, not
just chilly like the outside air. Where the exhaust pipe rear section
has been missing, smuts and filth from the exhaust has got inside the
lenses, blackening them. To clean or replace these by no means easy.
The door seals have some damage to them. The exhast is in dubious
condition (roughly £100 for back section, £100 for middle section).
There have been lots of "knocks" to the underneath, which have
damaged the underside of the front bumper, and there is damage to the
underneath where the car has been incorrectly jacked. The plastic
mud-guard (lining) inside the n/s front wing is shattered and needs
replacement. The corrugated plastic "pipes" which hold the wiring
loom are broken in several places. Worryingly, the intercooler is
leaking oil, this could mean an upcoming turbo problem (leaking
seals), which is very expensive to fix (£400 to £1000). There is an
oil leak from the back of the engine or gearbox somewhere, evidenced
by oil running along the o/s front suspension frame, which looks
like an engine oil leak hopefully, as it's black. This would have to
be looked at on a ramp. There is considerable wear to the front discs,
which need to be replaced (approx. £200)".

I didn't buy it.
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AstraVanMan 12 April 2005 20:43:23 [ permanent link ]
 
Check the seller's completed listings on Ebay to see if they've listed> > the same car before.>
Not fool proof - there may well be some numpty who's bid then either> decided that the 170k car "doesn't look like brand new" or was just a time> waster - always cross-reference any previous sale with feedback for both> seller and buyer.>
I still don't see why it isn't worth a trip to go see before bidding.

It can be, but trips to see cars take time and cost money, and this could be
a fair amount if it's a good few hundred miles away. Far better to ask lots
of questions about the car either on the phone, or by email, before bidding,
and if there's any obvious issues with it you'll know and bid accordingly.
Then, when collecting, if there are any obvious issues you've not been told
about, you can use it as a very valid reason to knock the price down. And
if the seller knows very little about the car, it might be worth avoiding,
as there could be all sorts of things either wrong with it, or simply
expensive jobs due.

--
Peter

"A field event exists that is vaguely similar to throwing a frisby.
Discus."
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Brian W 12 April 2005 20:50:35 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:31:09 +0100, Willy Eckerslyke
<oss108no_spam@bang­or.ac.uk> wrote:
Brian W wrote:>
A second point, would you buy a car on Ebay that you had never seen,>> as this is what some folk seem to do.>
I've done so a couple of times without any problems, but they were a lot >cheaper than the one you're thinking of.>Check out the seller's feedback very thoroughly before bidding. Talk on >the phone if possible. Try to read between the lines and ask about >anything that's not mentioned - eg. does the car stink of cigarette smoke?>Then give yourself plenty of leaway by staying well below the book price >- certainly no closer than 2/3. If the car's more than, say, 800 quid >pay for an HPI check before leaving home to collect it. Never pay a >penny until you've looked it over thoroughly.>
What book price though. There are 3 online price guides
www.parkers.co.uk www.whatcar.co.uk and www.wisebuyers.co.u­k . Parkers
always seems to give the lowest valuations. There valuations seem
good, but there is usually no cars for sale at the prices they give.
What Car probably gives valuations closer to what you see advertised.
Not all the price guides list all the models though.

For example there is a 2000 CITROEN XANTIA LX DUALFUEL (LPG)

http://cgi.ebay.co.­uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?­ViewItem&?ViewItem&i­tem=4541434263
for sale on Ebay, Currently at £1,850. Parkers says a private good one
at this mileage should be £1295. The other 2 price guides don't list
this model. But still 1295 for a W reg car like this would seem to be
low to me. Trouble is there is no other models like this for sale, let
alone for 1295.
Citroën Xantia Hatchback
1.8i 16V LX Bi-Fuel 5d 2000/W
Mileage: 106 ,000 miles
Original Price £ 16675
Franchised Dealer £ 1910
Independent Dealer £ 1595
Private Good £ 1295

Yet I believe Parkers is owned by the same people who own glass's
guide, yet the figures in both books are supposed to be different.
Parkers would be good if you could actually buy cars for the prices
they say the should be, but this rarely seems to be the case.

But Whatcar for this model says the Citroen Xantia suspension needs a
major and expensive overhaul at 5 years old. This just happens to be
the same age as the one on ebay. "Reliability
Gas/fluid suspension needs regular work and a costly overhaul after
five years. Engines are sound, but coolant and electrical glitches can
strike "






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Brian W 12 April 2005 20:56:29 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:52:07 +0100, "AndrewR"
<andrew@rockface.fr­eeserve.co.uk> wrote:
AstraVanMan wrote:>
<Buying cars on eBay>>
I still don't see why it isn't worth a trip to go see before bidding.>>
It can be, but trips to see cars take time and cost money, and this>> could be a fair amount if it's a good few hundred miles away. Far>> better to ask lots of questions about the car either on the phone, or>> by email, before bidding, and if there's any obvious issues with it>> you'll know and bid accordingly.>
What we need is some kind of group of people who are interested in cars and >who live all over the UK. If we had such a group then people could politely >ask if somebody was local to the vehicle they were thinking of buying and, >if so, would they mind popping round to have a look at it.>
Oh, if only there were such a group. Perhaps it could be used to chat about >miscellaneous car related issues in the UK as well.

Yes that seems like a good idea.
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AstraVanMan 12 April 2005 21:08:53 [ permanent link ]
 
What book price though. There are 3 online price guides> www.parkers.co.uk www.whatcar.co.uk and www.wisebuyers.co.u­k . Parkers> always seems to give the lowest valuations. There valuations seem> good, but there is usually no cars for sale at the prices they give.> What Car probably gives valuations closer to what you see advertised.> Not all the price guides list all the models though.>
For example there is a 2000 CITROEN XANTIA LX DUALFUEL (LPG)>
http://cgi.ebay.co.­uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?­ViewItem&?ViewItem&i­tem=4541434263> for sale on Ebay, Currently at £1,850. Parkers says a private good one> at this mileage should be £1295. The other 2 price guides don't list> this model. But still 1295 for a W reg car like this would seem to be> low to me. Trouble is there is no other models like this for sale, let> alone for 1295.
<snip>

Price guides are shite. End of. Look on autotrader.co.uk and do a national
search - that'll give you a good idea of asking prices all around the
country.

--
Peter

"A field event exists that is vaguely similar to throwing a frisby.
Discus."
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Michael Rodgers 12 April 2005 22:07:47 [ permanent link ]
 "Brian W" <*blank*> wrote in message
news:2qtn51dsck5i64­fu3qr027qjebi6mi534a­@4ax.com...> For example there is a 2000 CITROEN XANTIA LX DUALFUEL (LPG)>
http://cgi.ebay.co.­uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?­ViewItem&?ViewItem&i­tem=4541434263> for sale on Ebay, Currently at £1,850. Parkers says a private good one> at this mileage should be £1295.

Then Parkers is chatting crap. Yes, it's a Xantia which is typically
worthless but not THAT worthless.

Glass's gives a TRADE value at that mileage of £1100 so private sale value
is hardly going to be a mere £195 more.



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Willy Eckerslyke 12 April 2005 22:08:23 [ permanent link ]
 Brian W wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:31:09 +0100, Willy Eckerslyke> <oss108no_spam@bang­or.ac.uk> wrote:
Then give yourself plenty of leaway by staying well below the book price >>- certainly no closer than 2/3.
What book price though.

The one in your head.
As Ashtrayman says, build up a picture from all the usual sources.
I'll recommend Ebay's completed listings again - I only found the
feature recently and it's genuinely useful whether you're buying or selling.

Don't even think of bidding on a car until you've followed a couple of
ads or auctions for similar ones and have a proper idea of their values.
(advice I might follow myself one day...)
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R. Murphy 12 April 2005 23:16:21 [ permanent link ]
 I would never make an offer on a car I had not had a very good look at. Bad
idea

"Brian W" <*blank*> wrote in message
news:p­uen51ljlubrrj­g564cn3rqb2ija2q9jj4­@4ax.com...>I was seriously tempted to bid on this Mercedes. Seemed a good buy,> but 170k on the clock.> http://tinyurl.com/­6aopu>
What do you think? £4,500 a good deal? Or is it likely to be big bill> time at that mileage?>
A second point, would you buy a car on Ebay that you had never seen,> as this is what some folk seem to do. Often the cars are many miles> away and therefore not so easy to go and view.


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Pete M 12 April 2005 23:22:57 [ permanent link ]
 In news:p­uen51ljlubrrj­g564cn3rqb2ija2q9jj4­@4ax.com,
Brian W <*blank*> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as
follows> I was seriously tempted to bid on this Mercedes. Seemed a good buy,> but 170k on the clock.> http://tinyurl.com/­6aopu>
What do you think? £4,500 a good deal? Or is it likely to be big bill> time at that mileage?

No mechanical bills likely, Mercs are still good for at least 250k miles.

On the other hand, early W210 chassis Mercs like this one tend to rust like
buggery.
A second point, would you buy a car on Ebay that you had never seen,> as this is what some folk seem to do. Often the cars are many miles> away and therefore not so easy to go and view.

I have done, but not with a 5 grand motor. £350 ones, yep.


--
Pete M

Mercedes 260E
Ford Capri (ressurection started)
"Never moon a werewolf"

COSOC #5
Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain


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Ben Blaney 13 April 2005 11:55:41 [ permanent link ]
 Brian W wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:52:07 +0100, "AndrewR"><andrew@r­ockface.freeserve.co­.uk> wrote:>
AstraVanMan wrote:>>
<Buying cars on eBay>>>
I still don't see why it isn't worth a trip to go see before bidding.>>>
It can be, but trips to see cars take time and cost money, and this>>> could be a fair amount if it's a good few hundred miles away. Far>>> better to ask lots of questions about the car either on the phone, or>>> by email, before bidding, and if there's any obvious issues with it>>> you'll know and bid accordingly.>>
What we need is some kind of group of people who are interested in cars and >>who live all over the UK. If we had such a group then people could politely >>ask if somebody was local to the vehicle they were thinking of buying and, >>if so, would they mind popping round to have a look at it.>>
Oh, if only there were such a group. Perhaps it could be used to chat about >>miscellaneous car related issues in the UK as well.>
Yes that seems like a good idea.

There are lots of car-related questions in uk.rec.motorcycles - that
might be a good starting point...

--
Ben Blaney
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Guest 13 April 2005 14:05:13 [ permanent link ]
 
Many ads I've seen say "don't email call me" and I guess this gives the
seller a way out of not giving you something you can use to not take
the car later on. Many also say "ebay only sale" and one has to wonder
why, especially from traders. Ebay sales (currently) are classed as
an auction therefore there's no comeback on the seller unless the car
is not as described. You have to ask every little question.

Having said that I'm sure not every car advertised is from a scammer.

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AstraVanMan 13 April 2005 15:07:35 [ permanent link ]
 
Many ads I've seen say "don't email call me" and I guess this gives the> seller a way out of not giving you something you can use to not take> the car later on.

Well there potentially is that, but a lot of people are not by a computer
that much of the day, they may not be all that quick at typing, and would
probably just rather talk on the phone about it, like people used to in the
good old days.....

--
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Willy Eckerslyke 13 April 2005 16:18:06 [ permanent link ]
 adder1969@yahoo.co.u­k wrote:
Many ads I've seen say "don't email call me" and I guess this gives the> seller a way out of not giving you something you can use to not take> the car later on.

Hmm, I take Peter's view on that. Not everyone can check their email
continually. Also, an awful lot of people ask daft questions an hour
before the auction ends.

"Must sell, moving abroad" is another common one. Probably best read as
"Seller poised to go into hiding the moment anyone's daft enough to hand
over their money".
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Carl Bowman 13 April 2005 17:01:36 [ permanent link ]
 "Willy Eckerslyke" <oss108no_spam@bang­or.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:d3j2lg$j7n$1@f­antastix.bangor.ac.u­k...> adder1969@yahoo.co.­uk wrote:> Also, an awful lot of people ask daft questions an hour> before the auction ends.

You're not joking! The number of people who emailed me asking what was the
minimum I'd take for the car. Or 'for a quick sale'. Er... it's an auction.
Make a bid.
"Must sell, moving abroad" is another common one. Probably best read as> "Seller poised to go into hiding the moment anyone's daft enough to hand> over their money".

lol! D'you reckon people decide that as they're moving abroad in a couple of
months anyway, they'll pour sand into the engine and loosen a few nuts and
bolts? ;o)


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Willy Eckerslyke 13 April 2005 17:31:20 [ permanent link ]
 Carl Bowman wrote:
Also, an awful lot of people ask daft questions an hour>>before the auction ends.>
You're not joking! The number of people who emailed me asking what was the> minimum I'd take for the car. Or 'for a quick sale'. Er... it's an auction.> Make a bid.

Yup, and the ones asking the cost of postage to California when you're
selling something weighing about a hundredweight and worth a fiver.
"Must sell, moving abroad" is another common one. Probably best read as>>"Seller poised to go into hiding the moment anyone's daft enough to hand>>over their money".>
lol! D'you reckon people decide that as they're moving abroad in a couple of> months anyway, they'll pour sand into the engine and loosen a few nuts and> bolts? ;o)

Well no, I reckon they're only _claiming_ to be emigrating
a) to make you think you're going to pick up a bargain from someone
desperate to sell, and
b) to stop you looking for them again.
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Chris Bolus 13 April 2005 22:41:57 [ permanent link ]
 On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:01:36 +0100, "Carl Bowman"
<carlbowmanwithouts­pam@gmx.co.uk> wrote:
"Willy Eckerslyke" <oss108no_spam@bang­or.ac.uk> wrote in message>news:d3j2lg­$j7n$1@fantastix.ban­gor.ac.uk...>> adder1969@yahoo.co.­uk wrote:>> Also, an awful lot of people ask daft questions an hour>> before the auction ends.>
You're not joking! The number of people who emailed me asking what was the>minimum I'd take for the car. Or 'for a quick sale'. Er... it's an auction.>Make a bid.>
Or "Will you take it off Ebay for £xxx?". No, the auction will run its
course. Although the last buyer that heard that from me did well out of
it; he was going to give me 100 to take it off; the car only made 92...
I was happy enough as it was the second time I'd sold the car and it
came back to me for free in between!
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